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[H.T.]

very well put prchslyr. well ship of fools you must have all the right answers then. lets go lets here it  

[ship of fools]

Where is your rebuttal to anything he said?? Come on lets here your words of wisdom....

i made 2 points.... both of which were shot down as wrong  .... without even allowing the possiblity they were correct

1 - dealt with the bass fishery in the eastern basin and the impact of the cormorants....   when they went out to galoo and shot them all years ago it was because they were hurting the fishery .... my friend's father is a life long guide in henderson and if he says the fishery was off dramatically  i believe him .... he's been fishing there for 60+ years.  On top of that don't you think it would have to have been fairly serious for the community to come together and cough up enough money to buy 10,000 shotgun shells and for law abiding citizens to do something like this??

2 - the impact of the coyotes on the deer population ..... i am in eastern ny and the numbers are way down  ... and the coyotes getting 1 out of 2 fawns does have an impact....


I am all for a healthy discussion of this stuff and can and do listen to opposing viewpoints....   but i don't state that i am right and refuse to listen to the opinion of someone who disagrees with me.

I'll end with the old statement ... "opinions are like you know whats ... everyone has one"

[ship of fools]

very well put prchslyr. well ship of fools you must have all the right answers then. lets go lets here it  

never said i had the right answers ... i was just pointing out some things i have heard and read ... more info for everyone

i had a similar situation with a mod on stripers 247 who swore you couldn't catch stripers in the hudson until the water got to 50 degrees ......  despite the fact that my biggest ever was caught in 41 degree water ...........  

my point was if you could net herring then you could catch stripers ........  his point was once you get to 50 degrees the herring start hitting the sabikis which makes striper fishing easier ....  which is correct

but he was so upset that i disagreed with him that he deleted my posts ...... because i disagreed with him

bottom line is maybe there is some truth to my opinion (and the statment of a lifelong guide)  

[prchslyr]

We're all good ship of fools, if you delete the a-hole comment. Different opinions are more than welcome. That's just another reason we are here. My only job here is to keep it civil and clean of profanity. I'd delete that comment immediately if I had the capability to via the mobile browser.

[ship of fools]

We're all good ship of fools, if you delete the a-hole comment. Different opinions are more than welcome. That's just another reason we are here. My only job here is to keep it civil and clean of profanity. I'd delete that comment immediately if I had the capability to via the mobile browser.

done   

[trapper2000]

  the  fish  kill  caused    by   vhs   a  few  years  ago  in  the  eastern  part  of  lake  ontario  was  believed  to  be  about  50%    this  means  a  lose  of severl  year  class  fish   it  will  take  time  to  recover  ...this  is  all   well  documented  by  state  biologist   it  also  happened  in  oswego  and i  personally  witnessed  it  !  i  have  never  seen  so  many  dead  bass  floating   nor  will i  forget  it  ...

 the   amount  of  fawns   preyed  on  by   coyotes    is   subject  to  area   and  population !  to  say  the  number  of deer  are  below  standards  is  crazy  and  ill  formed  

 the   herd  was  at  a  dangerous  peck  a  few  years  ago!   the  stated  wanted  the  herd   numbers  lowered   ...   doe  permits  where  handed  out  to  a  point   most  hunters  had  at  least  2   with  options  to  get  more  ...  we  had  years  of  record  kills  ....,  the  mission  was   successfull   the  herd   was  lowed  to  safe  and  manageable  levels !!!

 this  is  not  opinion  it  is  recorded  facts   ship  of  fools  .... as  a  hunter   and  life  long  trapper  i  support  management  of   coyotes  and  most   certinly   cormorants  ...   but  your  on  a  witch  hunt   and   the   birds  shot  on   gull  island  where  shot   by   guides  that  ran  salmon  services   not  bass  services    that   were  upset   that  the  birds   were   eating  stocked  fish

[ship of fools]

 the  fish  kill  caused    by   vhs   a  few  years  ago  in  the  eastern  part  of  lake  ontario  was  believed  to  be  about  50%    this  means  a  lose  of severl  year  class  fish   it  will  take  time  to  recover  ...this  is  all   well  documented  by  state  biologist   it  also  happened  in  oswego  and i  personally  witnessed  it  !  i  have  never  seen  so  many  dead  bass  floating   nor  will i  forget  it  ...

 the   amount  of  fawns   preyed  on  by   coyotes    is   subject  to  area   and  population !  to  say  the  number  of deer  are  below  standards  is  crazy  and  ill  formed  

 the   herd  was  at  a  dangerous  peck  a  few  years  ago!   the  stated  wanted  the  herd   numbers  lowered   ...   doe  permits  where  handed  out  to  a  point   most  hunters  had  at  least  2   with  options  to  get  more  ...  we  had  years  of  record  kills  ....,  the  mission  was   successfull   the  herd   was  lowed  to  safe  and  manageable  levels !!!

 this  is  not  opinion  it  is  recorded  facts   ship  of  fools  .... as  a  hunter   and  life  long  trapper  i  support  management  of   coyotes  and  most   certinly   cormorants  ...   but  your  on  a  witch  hunt   and   the   birds  shot  on   gull  island  where  shot   by   guides  that  ran  salmon  services   not  bass  services    that   were  upset   that  the  birds   were   eating  stocked  fish

How do you know what he fishes for??  He guides for bass all summer long .......  and has for 50+ years ......  and i value and respect his opinion .... perhaps he may have some credibility??  

This is my last post on this subject  ........  once again you won't even consider there is some truth to what i have said  

[H.T.]

Ship of fools i can agree with you that there was gudies that fish for bass involed in the shooting of the birds. infact i know a couple of the guides up there. i went on a bass charter out of henderson last week. all of the guides watch each others backs. 

[trapper2000]

How do you know what he fishes for??  He guides for bass all summer long .......  and has for 50+ years ......  and i value and respect his opinion .... perhaps he may have some credibility??  

This is my last post on this subject  ........  once again you won't even consider there is some truth to what i have said  

i  never  said  what  he  fished   for  ...i  said   the   guides  that  shot  the  cormorants   on  gull  island ...   and  of  course  this  is  your  last  post  ...  you  can  not  deny    nor   rebuke     simple   recorded  facts ...  enjoy  your  witch  hunt  .....  ht  the   shootings     happened   a  few  years  ago ,  interestly   they  were  caught  because  other   guides  reported  them !  again    facts   

[H.T.]

Well thougt the watched each others back    sounds like they are just like the guides on the salmon river      i remeber when the birds were shot. 

[ship of fools]

i  never  said  what  he  fished   for  ...i  said   the   guides  that  shot  the  cormorants   on  gull  island ...   and  of  course  this  is  your  last  post  ...  you  can  not  deny    nor   rebuke     simple   recorded  facts ...  enjoy  your  witch  hunt  .....  ht  the   shootings     happened   a  few  years  ago ,  interestly   they  were  caught  because  other   guides  reported  them !  again    facts   

alright one last post       .... he was one of the guides that did the shooting on Galoo ........  and he fishes for bass

there is a fact that even you can't dispute  (well you can ... and i am sure will ... but you would be wrong!)

[Gamma Fish]

All I have to say is watch this video !   After reading through all these posts, it reminds me of what it would be like if HT and Trapper were hanging out together     I'm sure you'll be able to tell who HT is and who Trapper is in this video ...   Just change the word CAT to ROCKBASS  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c39cxGKPXu0&feature=related

[H.T.]

i just finally stoped LMAO. leave it up to you gamma    i  na never mind   

[Gamma Fish]

i just finally stoped LMAO. leave it up to you gamma    i  na never mind   

So you finally admit that you're a little pest ?   

[H.T.]

only to you my freind