Ok! Stringbean, you go to little Buffalo and I will try to meet you there. Can't imagine going south to find ice. As you have seen I have been in NY everychance I get. The fishing there is just so much better. Got a real 250 perch in one day and the bite was on metal not bait, right up my alley, kept 46 that were 8 1/2 to 13 1/2. Am now waiting for a new truck dealer to call me back, chevy has a $2500 rebate and the stock market is up sooooo, will bite the bullet. Let me know your plans.....jk