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MFF US Northeast => New Hampshire => Topic started by: dickbaker on Oct 24, 2017, 04:17 PM
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?? At the last Governor's council meeting, Sununu told them not to hear the final approval discussion related to the final approval of the wonderful Wild Goose Access area at Lake Sunapee! This has created a giant public outcry. But his Ben Vihstadt, his head chopper at Concord , maintains that his Boss is determined to come forward with a feasible location and access proposal? I don't think this will ever happen and I'm amazed that our Governor didn't simply offer it as a Tweet?
Anyone keeping up to date on this terrible confrontation between lake recreation users and those with big money and political power? I had hoped that this sort of thing could only take place in Washington??
Dick
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Any additional details you could provide?
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Lake Sunapee protective association is a complete joke. I guess the landowners won. I wonder how many people here voted for him lol
http://www.unionleader.com/state-government/fish-and-game-commission-condemn-sununu-on-lake-sunapee-access--20170822 (http://www.unionleader.com/state-government/fish-and-game-commission-condemn-sununu-on-lake-sunapee-access--20170822)
http://www.concordmonitor.com/sunapee-boat-launch-sununu-governor-fish-game-12014547 (http://www.concordmonitor.com/sunapee-boat-launch-sununu-governor-fish-game-12014547)
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https://www.governor.nh.gov/news-media/orders-2017/documents/2017-06.pdf
https://www.lfda.org/news/controversy-over-wild-goose-boat-access-sunapee
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Sununu has started a new commission to look at access for sunapee. Hopefully it comes to good result for us fisherpeople. I would say a good result for “all”, but I don’t think you can make everyone happy in this case.
In short people do think Lakes up there are their own “private” lakes. I haven’t ever gone to sunapee, but pleasant is just down the road, and I have had some very unpleasant experiences trying to get on, and while fishing that lake from the people who think they “own” the lake. My friends who live up there agree with what F&G is saying about a few individuals who Have deep pockets, and nothing but time to in their hands. Money talks, but I have hope access can get figured out, and in short order if a new approach is taken.
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The wheels of Government "progress" are as slow as an old lady in the fast checkout line at the supermarket.
You can hope for the best, but what you end up getting is what's best for the ones who PAY the politicians to lean their way!
If the Governor can't make an unbiased HONEST decision he should be called out publicly and made to answer.
Although I don't live anywhere near there, the problem is universal nation wide...people with money think they have more rights than anyone else, and figure that throwing their financial (if not their body) weight around will get them what they want.
OH, and of course these same a$$clowns will be the ones that don't want to pay increased property taxes because of the results.
If they will do nothing about granting public access, begin a petition to have ALL lakefront property assessed a "scenic view" tax.
Hope the Governor does the right thing, and SOON.
(just don't hold your breath waiting...)
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Trying to find out the membership of the Governor's Sunapee access committe. I have my doubts that it will be an unbiased group and that they will comply with the March deadline?
Dick
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begin a petition to have ALL lakefront property assessed a "scenic view" tax.
I don't condone the governor's decision or lakefront property owners association in any way!
But, be advised that LFPO's along with many others have been paying scenic view taxes in NH for years.
I do applaud NHF&G for making the strong statement/stance that they did.
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Disgusting to read but its the way it works. I surfcast a lot and deal with access bs more than I care to admit even on shoreline held in the public trust. This is a shame to read but it is the media so I take things with a grain of salt...
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the media seems to condemn the Sununu action :P
Dick
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To me Dick, It sucks to say but they can have their lake. Lack of launches hurts the local economy more than they understand.
I thought about really digging into this one but its quite the battle. Unfortunately, seems to be more of a game of whose wallet is the deepest.
Cuomo in NY and Lake George's Association pull some of the same bs but to a lesser extent. Even having launches, Ive found them inexplicably closed...and its quite the effort to launch there...inspection, wash, lake sticker needed....
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I just used up all of black printer ink to print out the entire NHF&G study for the proposed Wild Goose Access. I will take the time to read it carefully but I don't see any item that they could have missed and it was all approved by DES , DOT ,and approved by two State Court hearings!
I understand that next month Hawkeye Outdoor Magazine will have letters to the editor as well a big add asking people to contact the appropriate Legislators !
Dick
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First meeting of the new Sunapee access comm. is supposed to be today 10/26 at 4:00PM. Sununu has asked them to provide report and recommendations in March of 2018. Glen Normandeau told me that he isn't optimistic about the board members or the end result but he will keep me up to date.
Dick
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I know I'll catch hell for this but there is another side to this. I have customers that have pontoons at their docks, that repeatedly have the upholstery torn due to bass anglers in tournaments casting around their pontoons boats and accidentally snagging the seats etc. That's not cheap to fix and if you have to do it more than once being upset is understandable. I also know of lake associations that spend thousands of dollars spraying nuisance exotic weeds like Eurasian Milfoil that can pretty much take over a lake brought in by careless boaters.
And then there are those that leave beer cans, spent cigarettes, and other trash that make the rest of us anglers look bad.
Oh and there the anglers that whip it out and pee over the side of their boat in full view of the lake residents.
And yes I've been on the other end as an angler being treated poorly by lake residents.
I once saw a boy and girl make the mistake of crossing a lake resident's property to get to a fishing site. He came out and called them everything but a whiteman and acted like he wanted to do them bodily harm. The meanness and selfishness was unbelievable.
I would have taken them into my boat to fish but my boat at the time wasn't much more than kayak as it was a Sea Snark sail boat without the sail. Used it like a canoe.
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??? Quiet! Shhhhh! No one has brought up the problems resulting from major bass tournaments??
Dick
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??? Quiet! Shhhhh! No one has brought up the problems resulting from major bass tournaments??
Dick
Oops! :laugh:
Actually to be fair other anglers snag the upholstery too.
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??? Wow! While reading the NHF&G report for Sunapee I found that between 1990 and 2016 F&G had stocked 1913 lbs of trout and salmon and smelt eggs into Sunapee!!
Maybe shorefront owners don't fish for trout and salmon??
Dick
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In my area the lake residents don't fish much.
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Read the minutes of the Sept. meeting of NHF&G commission. Sad to read how much pressure Director Normandeu is under being cornered between his commission and his BOSS , Gov. Sununu?? As we have all seen in Washington, the most powerful Tweeters can fire staff at will!
Dick
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On Nov. 30th at 3:00PM @the Newbury Town Offices there will be a meeting of the Lake Sunapee Public Boat Access Development Commission!!! The members of the Commission have been hand selected by Gov. Sununu who condemned the proposed Wild Goose access plan! This is a political vote getting ploy by our governor !
F&G Director Glen Normandeau will have a tough time fighting small town lake owners and the governor to defend our state owned right to access public waters. Don't let a small number of wealthy shorefront owners keep us off our 6th largest NH lake!
Dick