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MFF US Northeast => New Hampshire => Topic started by: PIKEBAIT on May 23, 2020, 11:32 AM
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OK! I'm a lifetime canoe person . I like the room and stability of my canoes. I asked a neighbor why he bought a kayak. He told me it was light and cheap. I checked and found that the fishing yams are not cheap and weigh more than my 14 ft. Canoe.
Someone explain the benefits?
Dick
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I have a Hobie Outback and a canoe. I only use the canoe if I’m bringing a second. The kayak is amazing! Way sturdier than a canoe. But it is much heavier. Kayak is pedal system so you do not have to row which is nice and has more built in features compared to a canoe.
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Jesus, don’t be so hard on yourself Dick! I Dono If i’d call you a cancer! ;) :P
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8) Frank I can always leave it up to you to correct my spelling.
Dick
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I have a Pelican Catch 120. I have it all rigged and a few mods, it is a fishing machine! And it weighs 69lbs., only have to lift half at a time the way I move it.
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I’m with Dick, I’m a lifetime canoe guy as well, id love to here why I should finally make the switch as well since I really could see it being a game changer in my Flounder game as of late. I run a 12 foot Radisson and love that you can lift it with one hand and paddle out big bucks with ease but am thinking the kayak route must be better for fishing applications.
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Can you stand up in a kayak, or at least some of the kayaks? Unfortunately, I know the answer for a canoe...
If so I can see that as being a big advantage for a yak. I’ve also kind of wondered what in the world those paddle boarders are doing out on a lake, but I also think they could be wicked for fishing some hard to get places if they are not too heavy.
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I have a FeelFree Lure 11.5 kayak now and a new Old Town Sportsman 120 PDL is arriving next week.
There are several advantages to sit on top fishing kayaks
STABILITY
Pedal drive allows hands free operation and immediate forward / reverse. I only use the paddle when launching, in heavy weeds and very shallow water ( about a foot).
Rudder gives you excellent steering especially on a windy day.
You can sit or stand
The fishing kayaks have storage hatches, ability to add tackle crates, and rail slots to add rod holders, cleats, fish finders, and most anything you need.
Take a look at some of the videos on YouTube. Tons of details out there
Note, a friend of mine has a blast on flounder with his
John
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Yes it would haveto be sit in top, the other kind were some of the most uncomfortable things I’ve been in and you can’t see well into the water
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Bart, I see yours has stabilizers. Do they come with the package.
Still looks like way less tackle room than my 14 ft. Canoe.
You look really comfy in your Pelican but I've spent a few hours in a kayak and it was hard to straighten up at the launch.
Still weighs a lot more than my canoe. I could never recommend standing up in either a canoe or kayak.
Dick
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I think that there is a boat for every butt. One thing that I see in the fishing kayak craze is customization. Not unlike motorcycles, people enjoy adding gadgets and capability to their rig. Getting into skinny, lightly fished waters can be accomplished with a canoe or kayak and I've done both.
As my body has "changed" (ouch) over the years, my needs have evolved. The Old Town 119K canoe that I owned was light at 43# but getting harder to lift to the roof rack in one motion. Trying one end at a time was tricky because the pointy ends liked to roll. With its high seat, it was not a very stable craft especially when getting in and out at the shore bank.
After I sold it I went several years missing the swamps and remote spots where the fishing is easy. The Coleman Scanoe I have is too heavy for me to manage solo so I started search for the next solo boat.
What I settled on is not really a kayak or a canoe but a hybrid of both. It is an Ascend H10 Hybrid sit in. The seat is low and comfortable and has a back. The hull form shelters my lower body from most wind and spray. Because it has a catamaran type hull it is stable for entering, exiting and out on the water. I will not win any canoe races with it but it paddles good enough for me. There are places where you can add accessories but I have not done so. Instead, I have removed the side pouches and the fore and aft deck covers to lighten it. It is easy to put on the roof rack one end at a time.
Since I have started fishing in this "kayak" I can honestly say that I have caught more and larger fish. This is mainly because I can go solo and therefore, more often. The swampy places are back on my list as well.
Again, there's a boat for every butt.
This one best suits mine:
https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/ascend-h10-sit-in-hybrid-kayak-desert-storm
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"I think that there is a boat for every butt." I agree wholeheartedly, as is the case with bigger boats. Pretty much a Ford/Chevy thing.
I enjoy trolling when it's appropriate. The Sports Pals and Raddison's have wide beams and sponsons for stability, oar locks and are light. Lots of room for easy access storage and customization. I would sit in the bottom of mine on a flat stiff back cushion seat and row backwards.
Had one Downeaster salty rod holder on each side just in front of me, fish finder beside me, net right behind me, tackle bag between my legs and troll away. Even had a down rigger mounted, occasionally.
I'd just pick the rig that suits your fishing style the best.
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I think that there is a boat for every butt.
I love that, think I’m going to have to use that one sometime lol.
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The argument that a kayak is more stable than a canoe, or canoe than a kayak, all depends on models and lengths. I watched an old timer canoe most of the Allagash on his feet in his old 12 foot canoe. I stand in my Sportspal all the time but would never in my old Bear Creek.
Both have benefits and depend on what you are using them for.
I really like fishing for Stripers from the kayak. The pedal drive system makes moving hands free. I also like the safety of the sit on top. The kayak won't sink. If something bad happens and I end up in the water I can climb back on and be set.
Other than saltwater applications I prefer a canoe.
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They sound and look great for fishing. Times have changed so how about registering them like I and others do for theirs boats and canoes with motors. Sorry I know I will get bashed but if I don't get to the launch early forget about parking. This is a major complaint about parking with us boat guys.
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No bashing
The canoe, car topper and kayak parking is a mess. Many lakes have designated parking for trailers and all others park in non trailer spots.
Do people abuse this = absolutely
Now for paying for registration stickers for kayaks, canoes and car toppers. I think a $10 fee is long overdue. Canoes and Kayaks are wrong side up more often than boats by a long ways. The first responders from all department rescue or recover far more canoen and kayak operators.
Just my opinion
Note: we have 1 boat 1 canoe and 3 kayaks
John
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8) Never be enough launch parking. BUT! This afternoon I went to launch my small aluminium boat and found 4 economy kayaks parked in the middle of the pad. I had to yell a bit before the owners left a nearby picnic table.
Dick
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8) Never be enough launch parking. BUT! This afternoon I went to launch my small aluminium boat and found 4 economy kayaks parked in the middle of the pad. I had to yell a bit before the owners left a nearby picnic table.
Dick
I can think of another approach to that situation which would have got them to do some yelling.... your approach is probably reasonable.
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8) Never be enough launch parking. BUT! This afternoon I went to launch my small aluminium boat and found 4 economy kayaks parked in the middle of the pad. I had to yell a bit before the owners left a nearby picnic table.
Dick
Sounds like the same people who let there dogs download all over trails and chase deer because “ he’s just playing” and then tell me I can’t hunt there ;D
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I had an old 15' tin can Lowe canoe. It was heavy, noisy and impossible to car top (for me), lucky for me I had a truck. But it had a lot of room, just not very maneuverable on the water by myself. I set the seat farther up to even out the keel. Wasn't bad, sold it to get a Wilderness Systems Ride 115. It's a wide SOT that is easy enough to stand on and cast a fly line. Almost impossible to turtle, tracks ok and can turn on a dime which is nice in weedy, stumpy shallow areas. It has a raised seat, comfortable enough to spend the day in and no wet butt and at 59 I don't have any issues getting in or out of the seat. Definitely have to think ahead for packing and gear but I can fit almost everything that I had in my old tin can. And yup, it's heavy but I can car top it for now. I also have a Future Beach 126, it's a sit in, definitely don't want to try and stand in that thing... yes, experience talking there... Enough room for a days fishing but not my first choice. Canoes are great if you are packing gear and bringing a friend, kayaks are great if you are going solo and want to go your own way. Some of the new kayak/canoes that are hitting the market seem to me to be some kind of hybrid best of both world kind of things but I will bring nothing but a SOT kayak out onto salt water, especially if I'm going out past the breakers.
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That's the me first group.
It's not just kayaks and canoes.
We have all dealt with people that back down a ramp and then unload all their worldly possessions and load the boat.
If you say something, your the bad guy.
So many people just don't understand etiquette
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I tricked out this Hobie I got for half price with everything from a fish finder, down rigger, portable stabilizers out of lobster pots to an anchor. I have hands free control with the Hobie foot pedal flippers. Didn't like the seat that came with it so I built a completely new portable one higher up. That said I feel cramped in it compared to my regular boat and a few hours is all my back can take.
This thing was dynamite for stealthy night fishing for bass with surface plugs on my last trip to Maine.
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Taxid
Your showing your .still a yankee
Nice job
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Taxid
Your showing your .still a yankee
Nice job
Yup! Would love to head back this summer but it looks like that could be an issue.
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taxid, nice mods!
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If you say something, your the bad guy.
So many people just don't understand etiquette
True enough, John.
Something the matter with that scenario. :(
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taxid, nice mods!
X2 on the mods.
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taxid, nice mods!
Thanks.
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X2 on the mods.
Thanks.
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Taxid , super mods, kind of futuristic. Must weigh a bit? It looks net propelled!
Dick
IIRR it's 70 lbs.
Net propelled?
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Only you can decide which type of watercraft you want and will buy.
For me, it was a no-brainer for the type of fishing I do.
Sit on top with basic rod holders.
Pros: doesn't need to be emptied out if it flips. Easy to carry in the bed of my truck. relatively inexpensive.
cons: weight, doesn't have a rudder or foot power.
equal benefits with kayak and canoes: both allow us to get to waters larger watercraft can't get to, which for me means more, larger fish possibilities!
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8) I apologize for doubting kayaks. Yesterday afternoon , while rowing around in my little tin boat I was accosted by three beautiful women wearing tiny bikinis and paddling economy kayaks. They asked to see the stringer of crappie and asked
about cooking them. I had to tell them about my secret Butter
flavored Crisco deep fry. They didn't take me up on offer to come to camp for sampled :-X. . No pictures! Hard my camera but I was too mesmerized to take pictures. Got back to camp
and cut my self twice while cleaning crappie.
Dick
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LOL!
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8) I apologize for doubting kayaks. Yesterday afternoon , while rowing around in my little tin boat I was accosted by three beautiful women wearing tiny bikinis and paddling economy kayaks. They asked to see the stringer of crappie and asked
about cooking them. I had to tell them about my secret Butter
flavored Crisco deep fry. They didn't take me up on offer to come to camp for sampled :-X. . No pictures! Hard my camera but I was too mesmerized to take pictures. Got back to camp
and cut my self twice while cleaning crappie.
Dick
Dick,
Sometimes pictures are required.
I suspect this might be one
John.
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8) I apologize for doubting kayaks. Yesterday afternoon , while rowing around in my little tin boat I was accosted by three beautiful women wearing tiny bikinis and paddling economy kayaks. They asked to see the stringer of crappie and asked
about cooking them. I had to tell them about my secret Butter
flavored Crisco deep fry. They didn't take me up on offer to come to camp for sampled :-X. . No pictures! Hard my camera but I was too mesmerized to take pictures. Got back to camp
and cut my self twice while cleaning crappie.
Dick
I do believe this may be your best post ever Dick... Better luck next time on getting them to the fish fry lol.
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8) I apologize for doubting kayaks. Yesterday afternoon , while rowing around in my little tin boat I was accosted by three beautiful women wearing tiny bikinis and paddling economy kayaks. They asked to see the stringer of crappie and asked
about cooking them. I had to tell them about my secret Butter
flavored Crisco deep fry. They didn't take me up on offer to come to camp for sampled :-X. . No pictures! Hard my camera but I was too mesmerized to take pictures. Got back to camp
and cut my self twice while cleaning crappie.
Dick
Oh man! What a missed opportunity for selfies with beautiful women in bikinis! You will regret that!
(Or go right back there and troll for them!) ;D
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I’m still doubting too, unless you show me some pics
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Pics or it didn’t happen!
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:( You guys are just jealous because you didn't catch any crappie.
Dick
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We used to have a nude retreat that abutted on a part of a reservoir down here. I heard some biologists were doing an eletroshocker survey one evening while there was a nude contest on the beach. The slowly cruised by and enjoyed the scenery. :rotflol:
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We had a nudist colony In Nottingham here, it wasn’t pretty :'( ;D
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8) I apologize for doubting kayaks. Yesterday afternoon , while rowing around in my little tin boat I was accosted by three beautiful women wearing tiny bikinis and paddling economy kayaks. They asked to see the stringer of crappie and asked
about cooking them. I had to tell them about my secret Butter
flavored Crisco deep fry. They didn't take me up on offer to come to camp for sampled :-X. . No pictures! Hard my camera but I was too mesmerized to take pictures. Got back to camp
and cut my self twice while cleaning crappie.
Dick
You know what they say.... No pics, no bikinis!
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Was that the place over by Swains?]
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We had a nudist colony In Nottingham here, it wasn’t pretty :'( ;D
A lot of older people right?
The wife still tells a story of the kids she took to Germany on an exchange program one year. They were all on bicycles and she warned them they were going to go by some nude sun bathers in a park. Of course the boys were looking forward to it. They rounded a corner and there was an overweight guy in his 70's with a big old potbelly shaking a mustard bottle. His thingy was bobbing up an down as he shook the bottle, the front bycycle came to a dead stop in shock, and they all collided with each other.
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We had a nudist colony In Nottingham here, it wasn’t pretty :'( ;D
I can vouch for that. Used to give horse drawn hay rides over there once per summer. AND, it wasn't pretty! ::)
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Was that the place over by Swains?]
It’s not far from Swains, close in proximity to Lee Speedway though
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A lot of older people right?
The wife still tells a story of the kids she took to Germany on an exchange program one year. They were all on bicycles and she warned the they were going to go by some nude sun bathers in a park. Of course the boys were looking forward to it. They rounded a corner and there was an overweight guy in his 70's with a big old potbelly shaking a mutard bottle. He thingy was bobbing up an down as he shook the bottle and the front bycycle came to a dead stop in shock and they all collided with each other.
Yes!
Lmao!
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I can vouch for that. Used to give horse drawn hay rides over there once per summer. AND, it wasn't pretty! ::)
;D
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Remember "The Streak" ?
Many of you hadn't been born yet.
Back in the 1974 / 75 time frame a new fad hit the world. It was called The Streak. People would show up almost anywhere by surprise wearing their birthday suit.
Cell phones had not been invented and almost nobody carried a camera. Look on the internet and your sure to find videos.
I was shore fishing one day at Sylvan Lake in Dutchess County, NY .
Suddenly from nowhere a dirt bike with a naked guy and a naked girl on it comes down the path and stops next to me. They said hi, gave me the peace sign, smiled and drove off. It took me a few minutes to collect my witts and I packed up my gear and drove to one of my favorite bars for a sandwich and a couple of drafts.
I was a regular there and started to tell everyone about being Streaked. They stopped me from telling my story and said the same guy and girl just came by (still naked), parked the bike, ran into the bar, ran back outside and drove off. I bet the bar made some $$$$ that day and the story was likely told over and over for years.
I save this memory for those times when someone asks how the fishing was.
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Lolll
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Remember "The Streak" ?
Many of you hadn't been born yet.
Back in the 1974 / 75 time frame a new fad hit the world. It was called The Streak. People would show up almost anywhere by surprise wearing their birthday suit.
Cell phones had not been invented and almost nobody carried a camera. Look on the internet and your sure to find videos.
I was shore fishing one day at Sylvan Lake in Dutchess County, NY .
Suddenly from nowhere a dirt bike with a naked guy and a naked girl on it comes down the path and stops next to me. They said hi, gave me the peace sign, smiled and drove off. It took me a few minutes to collect my witts and I packed up my gear and drove to one of my favorite bars for a sandwich and a couple of drafts.
I was a regular there and started to tell everyone about being Streaked. They stopped me from telling my story and said the same guy and girl just came by (still naked), parked the bike, ran into the bar, ran back outside and drove off. I bet the bar made some $$$$ that day and the story was likely told over and over for years.
I save this memory for those times when someone asks how the fishing was.
Not trying to correct you but I believe the “fad” was called “streaking” however some comical song writer wrote an apropos tune called “the streak”
Never seen one “in the flesh” but saw a few on TV during baseball games and such.
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That song the Streaker by Ray Stevens drove me nuts! I was riding a school bus at the time and they played it several times on the radio on my hour an half bus ride. God I got so sick of that song!
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"Don't look, Ethel!"
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"Don't look, Ethel!"
That's the song. :laugh:
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A few of us streaked to get out of paying a restaurant tab. We all went into the bathroom, stripped and run out thru the place with our clothes in hand.
Problem was it was our own neighborhood and we were regulars at the restaurant so they simply saved our bill until the next time we came in.
This was back in like 71-72
Stupid teenagers.