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MFF US Northeast => New York => Topic started by: old man river on Feb 14, 2023, 08:01 PM
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As seen on
finger Lakes NEWS website
PFAS levels in freshwater fish ‘staggering’, but Finger Lakes anglers aren’t getting the message
OH NO Say it is not True
:'( :-[ ???
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Hey Ralph,
I saw that study as well, I thought the majority of those samples came from the great lakes. Also with that study it highlighted the fact that the PFAS and PFOS were coming from industrial sources. If your on a body of water that isn't in close proximity to heavy industrial sites I'd think the levels would be lower. I know the study isn't what I wanted to see for our fresh water fisheries, but I don't have any intention of changing my fish eating habits because of it.
Jake
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Phhttttttt! 73 and I ain’t dead yet.
Bad part is, we probably paid for these (censored) people to do these studies. What a bunch of BS.
Show me one person who’s proven to have died from eating fish from the finger lakes! Maybe I’ll reconsider …….maybe!
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Phhttttttt! 73 and I ain’t dead yet.
Bad part is, we probably paid for these (censored) people to do these studies. What a bunch of BS.
Show me one person who’s proven to have died from eating fish from the finger lakes! Maybe I’ll reconsider …….maybe!
Yes Bob.
My grandfather lived on Lighthouse Rd. off the pkwy just east of Rochester in Hilton.
My dad grew up there.
My grandfather caught and ate bullhead from the ponds and Braddocks all the time.
I asked him back in the late 60's early 70's about whether he was concerned about the pollution.
He told me "no"; he only ate it once or twice a week.
He lived to be 86 and coulda lived longer had he gone to the doctor earlier.
My point is, as long as you aren't consuming it constantly, it's no worse than chemically fed chickens, pigs, beef, etc.
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My point is, as long as you aren't consuming it constantly, it's no worse than chemically fed chickens, pigs, beef, etc.
Mac you couldnt be any more right!!!!!!!!
With the meat we buy in the stores that have been pumped full of preservatives I'm certain the little bit of fresh fish eaten wont be worse
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Mac you couldnt be any more right!!!!!!!!
With the meat we buy in the stores that have been pumped full of preservatives I'm certain the little bit of fresh fish eaten wont be worse
It actually might be better.
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Everything in moderation.
If PFAS is the real issue, why doesnt the government force the manufacturers to stop producing it?
Or is big $ using a lame report to allow the chemicals to feed their fat bankrolls.
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Everything in moderation.
If PFAS is the real issue, why doesnt the government force the manufacturers to stop producing it?
Or is big $ using a lame report to allow the chemicals to feed their fat bankrolls.
This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, seeing how many companies "skirted" the laws in order to be able to do this stuff and stay in business.
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Looks like there is some action on this front! Hot off the press. Hopefully this will start a trend of cleaning up our environment and waterways of these forever chemicals and reducing their use!
https://apnews.com/article/epa-pfas-forever-chemicals-water-contamination-regulations-560d0ce3321e7fa8ed052f792c24f16f#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20(AP)%20%E2%80%94%20The%20Environmental,prevent%20serious%20illnesses%2C%20including%20cancer.
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Eaten certain fish from Great Lakes my hole life , went through the mercury and the mirex scare , shut an excavation site down at Cornell college due to mercury , took over 3 weeks to clean up , I took some heat from the college and general contractor, after job was over I got tested for chemicals and heavy metals , tested out fine , I did it independently so no BS
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Many things never should have been allowed not just in my septic fields should never be anywhere near our larger water ways big factories and such should never be on lake shores the state itself is responsible for most of the water pollution being allowed to take place
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Sorry, but most of these so called “advocates” are money grubbing leeches. Not much science to prove their allegations. They live on grants provided by our taxpayer dollars….or worse, by solicited/donated funds.
Show me the proof! Show me the science! That drinking water has killed anyone! That eating fish has killed anyone! Show me the proof!
Complete hysterical internet BS.
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I’m with You, Bob.
How about those “advocates” show us the true reports, Dr’s reports, that anyone became ill or died from drinking water or eating fish out of any body of water. I’m sick and tired of these idiots trying to persuade us into thinking, that things are the way they are, because they said so….way too much of this BS these days!! I’m not letting any idiots brainwash me.
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WOLF…..WOLF!
I suppose the new generation is inundated with information. Just wish they would take the time to do some deductive reasoning and not be convinced by what’s easy to believe.
Ok….maybe they’ll be wrong….or right. At least they’ll be making their own decision. Not just following ….just because.
We get too soon old and too late smart.
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Just had blackened pickerel tacos from the finger lakes and put a little extra mercury on them mmmmmmm
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I mean the information is easily searchable, within .0001 seconds I had several research papers highlighting the negative health effects of PFOS and PFAS. Now if you choose to believe the studies or not that is up to you. The less things that aren't naturally found in the environment in my water the better, if you enjoy drinking from bodies of water with heavy metals or contaminants you can! This is America, land of the free, where you are free to drink leaded/mercury/cadmium water, I just would prefer my water to not have it. Those studies linked below are the research papers, so they get down into the weeds and can be a bit confusing, but it is a study not a news article, so there are some standards to how the information is presented.
Study talking about health effects of PFOS/PFAS
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7906952/
Study that shows the PFOS and PFAS levels in fish.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935122024926?via%3Dihub
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Hard to determine information from justification.
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Both reports I think a lot of hogwash...they use a lot of words and technicalities to confuse us...a lot of BS just to justify their jobs...they might consider us as Guinea pigs that have outlived the data they're trying to force down our throats. My 60 some years of fish eating and 75yrs of life can prove the BS
John
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I STILL DRINK WELL WATER FROM A COUNTRY WELL
what ever in it taste good to me :laugh:
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Yes it is hard to find why a research project got funded, or who funded them and what their goal is with the research, but that shouldn't change the data, especially when these are peer reviewed and published studies. These published studies have their bar raised from a study conducted by a private entity that could skew data to alter the results with no accountability.
Some things change for the better. If pollutants in the water/environment isn't a bother then I am unlikely to change anyone's mind, and that's okay! Poisoned water affects more than just 1 individual, look no further than East Palestine, we don't have to go as far back as Leaded gas or even DDT to realize that we shouldn't be allowing manmade chemicals to be destroying OUR environment. I am grateful for the individuals that are paving the way to have these chemicals removed from circulation, it can only make our short time here better! Having grown up <1 mile from a superfund site caused by industry, I have some personal experience in regards to industry destroying our environment for $. The less stuff that isn't water/air/nature in our waters/air/nature, the better.
I drink well water form a country well and always have. It is possible that aquafers can and are poisoned.
I just want a cleaner environment for all of us and our future generations.
Jake
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I STILL DRINK WELL WATER FROM A COUNTRY WELL
what ever in it taste good to me :laugh:
I still do too but after I die at 101 they'll say I ate too many fish 🐟!
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MY Advice to all , FISH ON!! :-* :laugh:
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Old saying CYA well our rearend is now in the line of fire
http://Researchers tested 21 brands of toilet paper and found “forever chemicals” in all of them.
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the only thing that will save us is electric cars and transgender athletes allowed on the womens basket ball and swim teams .......
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As a researcher and molecular geneticist, I can tell you that there's nobody on the academic side getting rich off these studies. Just workaday folks doing their best to assess causality, with the hope of preventing unintended consequences. And honestly, getting all this pushback when you're simply disseminating information is like a kick to the nuts. Nobody is going to throw you in jail if you eat fish from a contaminated water source. So why all the outrage?
One thing to be aware of: often the consequences of these toxins isn't felt until generations later through a process called "epigenetic remodeling". Mother Nature never counted on man-made chemicals interacting with our genome...and the fallout can be unpredictable. Obesity, weird allergies, even sterility - gifts you may be leaving your grandkids. Don't shoot the messenger. I eat moderate quantities of great lakes fish myself. But I hear the message. And it's too late for me to do anything about my pre-reproductive consumption. I'm well past that point now! So all you old guys on here like me - chomp away! Young guys, maybe think twice before having that second serving.
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Thanks Knehrke for posting , so if you would explain to all the young people how to avoid these chemicals , it’s in almost everything that is used in every day life , including the water supply
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Yep. They're prevalent. Wish I had an answer. My point is that information is power, and knowing gives you the ability to make informed choices. I think that the idea that the major impact of these things isn't felt for generations could be lost on folks. Nobody wants to be the cause of their kids suffering - but it's nearly impossible to show this except in laboratory experiments with model organisms that live shorter lives. Do the results translate to humans? My bet would be yes, but that's a scary, scary thought.
But short of migrating to Mars, I don't think we can avoid the fallout. I guess there's a difference between living next to a pig farm and rolling in it, though.
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Yep. They're prevalent. Wish I had an answer. My point is that information is power, and knowing gives you the ability to make informed choices. I think that the idea that the major impact of these things isn't felt for generations could be lost on folks. Nobody wants to be the cause of their kids suffering - but it's nearly impossible to show this except in laboratory experiments with model organisms that live shorter lives. Do the results translate to humans? My bet would be yes, but that's a scary, scary thought.
But short of migrating to Mars, I don't think we can avoid the fallout. I guess there's a difference between living next to a pig farm and rolling in it, though.
What a well spoken point of view.
Thanks for your insight.
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i just don't buy it
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Surprise…surprise!
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well bob seeing 2 .5 million people depend on a water supple from seneca and cayuga...the new york dec rates most of the water shed as a-1 with the only issue being alergy blooms ....the water is also bottled and sold ....... now anyone can come in here say they have a degree and say what ever they want .... now i know who the new york health dept is they say the water is ^5 i know who the dept of enviromental conversation is i know alot of the municipalities that use the water ..........all people with pretty good degrees bob people and goverernment institions that been around a long time .....hmmmm but someone says he has a degree and i hesitate to believe him .... hey i didn't renew my cars extended warrenty , i didn't pay amazon when they called and i didn't pay the bale for the kid that said he was my grandson ....... ya know why .... i didn't buy it ..... i have a different opinion ...... and i want proof ... from a reliable source ...i don't believe eatting a fish is going to alter my great grandsons genetic code (would make a great sci-fi movie)....... yeah bob surprise surprise i don't buy it .............
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Phhttttttt! 73 and I ain’t dead yet.
Bad part is, we probably paid for these (censored) people to do these studies. What a bunch of BS.
Show me one person who’s proven to have died from eating fish from the finger lakes! Maybe I’ll reconsider …….maybe!
gee bob looks like you had the same opinion as me in the beginning of this thread ....surprise surprise
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Hey Trap,
Skepticism is the lifeblood of science! You are 100% correct not to buy it - and I'm not going to sell you anything. But there's a whole bevy of peer reviewed literature that describes what I've summarized. If you're interested enough, take a gander. You can input appropriate search terms on PubMed, and most everything these days is available to the public 1 year after it's been published (should be immediate, but that's another battle). Almost all of this stuff has been done in model organisms, including mice, and so skepticism is warranted. But the molecular architecture of the relevant processes is the same in humans. Still, there are always questions.
As I said, information is power. If you have any questions or just want to chat, please feel free to reach out to me. You can connect using my URMC email address for Keith Nehrke. Cheers!
PS- Walleye for dinner tonight. I appreciate the risk, solely to myself at this point, and choose to partake. So I'm not preaching here, just putting it out there.
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again anything can be published ,it doesn't mean it's true ..... research is only as good as those that do the research ...... none of this has been accepted by anyone crediable ....however 2.5 million people depend on that drinking water and this foolishness could scared them ....when you have acredited documentation with government agencys agreeing i'll listen until then i'm going fishing ..... i know it's on the internet it has to be true ....the walleyes i agree with ^5
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when you have acredited documentation with government agencys agreeing i'll listen until then i'm going fishing ..... i know it's on the internet it has to be true ....the walleyes i agree with ^5
After covid
I don't buy ANYTHING THE "GOVERNMENT " says anymore
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Well based on this info I am def not having any more children! At 56 I will not be subjecting my gene puddle to my poor eating habits.
Another big one is studying people, particularly children, that live near highways and micro-pollution. Another good read that will make you think.
Just received emails in regard to eliminating all lead-based paint worldwide and banning all asbestos imports and use in manufacturing in the US too.
Did you hear that? that was one less breath I'm ever going to take.
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Well…”The thing is….you see what you want to see…..and you hear what you want to hear.”
I guess an open mind at my age is a real plus….in my mind anyway.
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All you can do is read and decipher right.
I did read both new proposals the LBP one is too vast being worldwide so probably will lose traction and the asbestos one adds two other amphiboles so that would alter already existing USEPA legislation so that will probably not get legislative support.
As for fish I did catch half a bucket of Finger Lkae perch yesterday and will eat some and give some away. Surface temp was still 37 degrees so still a bit away from spawning.
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Always good to learn.
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Anything can be published isn't true. There's a difference between an Accredited Scientific Study, and an opinion. Lots of good books available for free at your local library if you want to read up more on the topic, but watch out someone had to "publish" them!
Also please point me to the part in either of the studies I posted that anyone can deem false with information to back up their claim.
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i don't buy it mcully i had seneca perch last night .... i'm still here ;D i think our research is done the fish are safe and taste great .....
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Well, I have no plans to stop eating fish from the surrounding waters…as much as I eat anyway. If I’ve done irreparable damage to my progeny, I did it without my knowledge. So far, they seem just fine.
Every day we learn …or we should at least, that not everything we thought in the past was correct. If we refuse to accept new ideas and information, we may as well just give up.
I’m only 73….not ready to stop learning or give up just yet.
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Well, I have no plans to stop eating fish from the surrounding waters…as much as I eat anyway. If I’ve done irreparable damage to my progeny, I did it without my knowledge. So far, they seem just fine.
Every day we learn …or we should at least, that not everything we thought in the past was correct. If we refuse to accept new ideas and information, we may as well just give up.
I’m only 73….not ready to stop learning or give up just yet.
Ya know rg... I agree with you 100%
However...
How many times do we need to learn that eggs are bad for us.. then good for us.. then bad for us...
Same with salt.. same with wine/alcohol...
EVERYTHING in moderation..EVEN GREAT LAKE /FINGER LAKES FISH....
Eat eggs...salt...fish I'm moderation and have a glass of go go juice to wash down your moderated dinner.. lol
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Couldn’t agree with you more. Although, I’ve given up a few things and keep an eye on others as I age. All in an effort to stick around a bit longer.
I’m not done fishing just yet.
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Couldn’t agree with you more. Although, I’ve given up a few things and keep an eye on others as I age. All in an effort to stick around a bit longer.
I’m not done fishing just yet.
The tug is my drug!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anything can be published isn't true. There's a difference between an Accredited Scientific Study, and an opinion. Lots of good books available for free at your local library if you want to read up more on the topic, but watch out someone had to "publish" them!
Also please point me to the part in either of the studies I posted that anyone can deem false with information to back up their claim.
i remember when i got in trouble in school for telling the science teacher there had to be something smaller then the atom ....i was told read the scientfic proof .... well i thought in my little mind if the univers was infinate inner space had to be too .... turns out the atom wasn't the smallest thing and science was wrong and has been many times .....steidyj i don't have to prove you or science wrong thats not what i'm saying ....prove to me that it's right...........your "OPINION" is that this data is correct and apperently seen by you as another disaster as bad as chernobyl.......my opinion is i'll wait and see ...yup theres chemicals in the water below any set standards same chemicals found in over 90 percent of the fresh water from what i read even found in some well water and bottled water ......should we try to make it better or stop it from getting worse ....yup am i going to change my life style or worry nope....go fishing come back we'll talk about the big trout we caught ;D...........life is good
knehrke i find you interesting i won't jump on the band wagon because you have a good vocabulary i'm a bit harder to convince however i would like to know where you got those walleyes ;D............i don't bye the genetic thing as genes will change in time anyways thats the foundation of evolution i do believe there are chemicals in most if not all fresh water i don't think seneca lake has enough to make future generations with 3 eyes and tails.....you have a great day and tight lines
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If my kid had three eyes and a tail, I'd sell her to the circus and retire lol. As stated, skepticism is good. One of the basic principles of science is that you can never prove anything. We build models that try to fit observations, then we do our best to tear them apart. The whole epigentics and trangenerational thing was a black box twenty years ago. There's quite a bit more known now - but Chicken Little I am not. I suspect that there are enough reasons we should stop throwing chemicals that Mother Nature never dreamed would exist back at her; this is just one among many. As for where I'm catching those walleye - dang, I forgot. Too many PCBs from dinner last night.
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:rotflol: touche