Thanks Trap. I tried one the other night with a small spilt shot cut in half and super glued. It would hit the water and then on the first twitch would flip over. What I was looking for, but the weight only lasted a few casts. Going to try to pocket the foam with the weight inserted. Some of my discoveries have been when a fly just doesn't perform as your hoping it to, either not floating, or maybe something falls off of it. And it catches fish. I saw a feeding frenzy one afternoon on J. beetles. The wind was blowing pretty good and they were blowing into the river. The fish were going nuts. OH and Slyr I forgot one for your ponds. A deer fly. With the heat they are very thick right now.