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The Fisherman's Wharf => Sports => Nascar => Topic started by: cdc on Feb 19, 2006, 08:49 AM
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I am going with the #16 car...
who's going with who???
does anybody go on in here anymore ???
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im going with my #24 car in sonoma
thatll wake people up
everyone loves to hate #24 ;D
cant believe kurt got the pole
its gotta be the car :tipup:
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im going with my #24 car in sonoma
thatll wake people up
everyone loves to hate #24 ;D
cant believe kurt got the pole
its gotta be the car :tipup
That or he knows how to use his Left Hand ;D
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That or he knows how to use his Left Hand ;D
busch got the pole, not johnson :tipup:
oh no, here we go again ;) ;D
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im going with gordon again this weekend, he won in sonoma, the day after getting engaged, i think hes going to keep winning for a while, maybe even get hids first win at . :tipup:
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im going with gordon again this weekend, he won in sonoma, the day after getting engaged, i think hes going to keep winning for a while, maybe even get hids first win at . :tipup:
Rainbow Warrior engaged?? what's his husband's name?? :D :D
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Rainbow Warrior engaged?? what's his husband's name?? :D :D
You beat me to that comment....Esox
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Rainbow Warrior engaged?? what's his husband's name?? :D :D
have you ever seen amanda church :o
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have you ever seen amanda church :o
Nope...I haven't..but Amanda Church isn't Jeffies fiancee..............
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Nope...I haven't..but Amanda Church isn't Jeffies fiancee..............
lol, i was living in the past, i meant ingrid ;D
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Is this Nascar talk or Girl talk?? :-* Jeff can drive a race car, he seems to have a problem with being a frickin hippocrite though. :cursing: Get all mad and pushy when he gets spun, but is ok for him to spin others; "It's just racing". :nono: Well, I am really happy with Jeff Burton and RCR. I love to see these 2 have the resurgance they both have worked hard to earn. It irks me when media types say Jeff Burton is the biggest suprise this year. Jeff Burton has always been a top tier driver. I always said he would do better out of Roush, guess I was right. :P Go JB at NH, but I really need the #1 car to hit victory lane, I am getting crushed in Fantasy. :'(
Mike
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Pocono, July 23rd race. Vickers to get his first win? Kahne to put his mark at Pocono? Tony to rebound? Biffle finally rolling again? Or Hamlin to get #2? This is turning out to be a great season with very interesting dynamics unfolding. I just wish Johnson and Kenseth would wreck and be 42nd and 43rd so everyone would catch up and make it really interesting.
Mike
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Is this Nascar talk or Girl talk?? :-* Jeff can drive a race car, he seems to have a problem with being a frickin hippocrite though. :cursing: Get all mad and pushy when he gets spun, but is ok for him to spin others;
did you watch te race? he was being held up so he spun him, gordon was spun earlier by a car that was way back ??? are you a nascar fan or a anti gordon fan? watch the race :tipup: who is the best driver in nascar right now? GORDON :tipup: in the nascar poll of drivers he is ranked #3 behind SR. and the king, and he is 1 win away from passing dale sr. in wins in less than half the time it took him to get there :tipup: rusty is gone mike, deal with it :tipup: plus he wassnt as good as gordon, is rusty even in the top 15 of wins? gordon is 10 away7 from #2 and he will break 100 wins and take #2 of all time in less time than it took all the other drivers, and if ther same rules applied as did petty he would break his record, rather petty wouldnt have 200 wins, there is a difference of being spun by a faster car for the win than being spun by a slower car for spite :tipup:
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Yes Arch I watched the race. Yes I saw Jeff make up 1 second in a lap in a half. Yes I saw Matt block Jeff. Yes I saw Jeff wreck Matt. Jeff could have waited till the straitaway and blown by Matt. Jeff CHOSE to bump him in the corner. Yes Arch I am a Jeff hater. Yes, I am sure some it is envy. I am not a stupid person. I do happen to know that Rusty is not racing anymore. I can almost quote Gordon statistics as well as Gordon fans. (All the non Gordon fans must suffer through these statistics every week.) Rusty BTW is number 8, right behind Gordon. I will try to stop my Gordon bashing, I understand how it gets old. I get tired of the Bass bashing that goes on on this site. BTW, if Gordon could win the title this year, I will be very impressed, that would be a serious accomplishment. Now that we have all of that out of the way, is Gordon your pick to win this week?
Mike
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now we have some one else to go after...Ryan Newman..... I thought it was great. Tony needs to crash everyweek. I had the 12 car for this weeks pick but seeing him take out the 20 car was too good...
All good for Kyle Bush getting his first win of the yr. Would have been better to see Denny to get the win but when your out of gas you go back..
Jimmy needs to get the camp this yr.. He has been all to close in the yrs past.
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I do happen to know that Rusty is not racing anymore. Rusty BTW is number 8, right behind Gordon.
20 wins behind gordon ;) ;D
I will try to stop my Gordon bashing, I understand how it gets old.
no way mike, if the arguing in here stops the thread will stop :tipup: no one comes in this thread anymore ???
Now that we have all of that out of the way, is Gordon your pick to win this week?
yes, im going with gordon for the next 2 weeks, indy and the glen :tipup:
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20 wins behind gordon ;) ;D
no way mike, if the arguing in here stops the thread will stop :tipup: no one comes in this thread anymore ???
yes, im going with gordon for the next 2 weeks, indy and the glen :tipup:
Rest assured Arch...I won't stop bashing Jeffie until the day he retires...and hopefully that'll be soon....Esox
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I got it!!!! It's WIN, WIn. Lets swap Danica for Jeff. :clapping: :thumbup_smilie: I did a Google of her and about fell out of my chair with the picture of her spread in front of an old car, OMG! :w00t: :bowdown:
Mike
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I got it!!!! It's WIN, WIn. Lets swap Danica for Jeff. :clapping: :thumbup_smilie: I did a Google of her and about fell out of my chair with the picture of her spread in front of an old car, OMG! :w00t: :bowdown:
Mike
yeah, danica is definitly a hot racer ;) she said she was definitly not racing nascar in '07 but wouldnt say if she would make the switch in '08 ???
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I don't see Danica in Nascar any time soon. That was a PR ploy by her father to try to jack up her asking price. She is the last year of her contract. I guess she feels like she is not getting enough attention.? :-\
Mike
PS It's scary that I even know that much about an F1 driver. :-[ :'(
PSS She's a good ole fashioned WI girl. :bowdown: :clapping: :flag: :thumbup_smilie:
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PSS She's a good ole fashioned WI girl. :bowdown: :clapping: :flag: :thumbup_smilie:
:thumbup_smilie: :clapping:
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I don't see Danica in Nascar any time soon. That was a PR ploy by her father to try to jack up her asking price. She is the last year of her contract. I guess she feels like she is not getting enough attention.? :-\
maybe a ploy, but she did say that she wassnt going to go into nascar next season, so the ploy really didnt do anything for her asking price ???
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maybe a ploy, but she did say that she wassnt going to go into nascar next season, so the ploy really didnt do anything for her asking price ???
But she was all over the TV this weekend with Nascar guys saying they want her in Nascar. All PR is good PR.
Mike
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so whos everyone going with?
im sticking with jeff :tipup:
denny hamlin has seemed to figure this place out :tipup:
1 win and now the pole in his second race at this track :o
it is hard to bet against him :tipup:
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newman this week he is overdue...
Your right...he sure does. But after last week taking Tony out I dont think that he'll be on the track to long.
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well i said it was hard to bet against denny, glad to see the rookie doing so well, my guy got 3rd, not bad :tipup:
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Wow, the races this year have been pretty good. I am really enjoying the drama. Man, crazy that a rookie can figure out a track like that and blow everyone out of the water. I guess that Tony benefited from Denny's June setup, lap down to 8th? And, Yeley came out with a respectable 11th. Jr better gets his crap figured out, he really doesn't need this at this juncture. I am sure Gordon would have spun someone out neat the end had he a car that was just a bit faster. :-\ Of course he did screw his teammate out of a position. Vickers was definitely faster, but Gordon makes the decisions on when blocking can occur on any given track and when it can't. :'( It's all good, next year Vickers won't have to take that crap, he can lay the Toyota emblem all over the Bowtie; :o (of course that would be bad racing since Gordon would be the one spinning) :rotflol: Speaking of spinning, how bout Carl Edwards giving Stewart the big FU. I'm sure Tony had to be impressed with Edwards tenacity and will think twice about flipping him off next time, it could be going into a turn. :nono: Headline on Nascar.com on Sunday: THANK GOD THAT WEDDING IS OVER AND WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT IT ANYMORE!!! :sick: :sleep1:
Mike
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This weeks p*ick?? I'm going to go with Grumpy Old Fart.....oh wait....you said this weeks PICK....sorry...Esox
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:rotflol: :rotflol: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Mike
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what are you talking about mike?
vickers finished 4 car lengths behind gordon?
gordon spins people out when hes faster and someone wont get out of his way :tipup:
what great race car driver doesnt or hasnt done that?
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I think it was the other way around with Tony and Carl.....It was Tony that gave the big FU to carl.....And that was cause Carl got into him on pit road....
It wont be long and they are going to lay down some big fines on that LOOSER....He has been getting away with all to much.
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I hope NASCAR keeps their dang nose out of it. I am tired of PC racing! :nono: There has been some, dare I say, DRAMA this year. :w00t: I guess I am watching too many pre-race shows, but I am loving the on-track confrontations and post race analysis by the drivers. Jeff Burton is the best guy out there for telling it like it is, but the rest of them are funny as heck with their blame before they see a replay. I want controversy, I want bent sheet metal, and I want rivalries. :cursing: :flex: :wacko: Anyone remember when 2 of the Bodine brothers wrecked each other?? That was so funny. Shoot, bring on Hoosier tires and bring on crazy wreckfests again. That made for some really interesting racing. :thumbup_smilie:
Mike :whistling:
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I want rivalries. :cursing: :flex: :wacko:
without rivalries and stuff like tony pulled last weekend, racing wouldnt have the fans it does, it would literally be just cars going in circles, no passing because you wouldnt want to hurt anyones feelings, this isnt that comercial where carl edwards is trying to everyone else a chance :tipup:
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Actually, we have a great year going here. 2 of the pretty boys of Nascar have done bad things. :cookoo: Jeff Gordon shoves Matt Kenseth?? If Matt would have shoved back, or worse taken a swing, would Jeff's model still want to marry him? ??? Carl Edwards spins out Stewart? The "Aw shucks" racer got his dander up? :cursing: :flex: You expect Tony to react in a terrible way to something very small, just ask Clint Boyer.>:( You expect Robby Gordon and Michael Waltrip to trade paint. :unsure: But, there have been some great confrontations this year and I hope it continues. :thumbup_smilie: If ya'll want sterile racing, watch F-1, ask Juan Montoya. Juan isn't taking a pay cut to race clean, green, and boring. :sleep1:
Mike :afro:
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Ah, my UPS driver just came in and showed me some pics of Danica at last weekends Indy race in Milwaukee. He had one shot of her bent over doing something....nice ;D
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Although it has made it fun to watch, it is getting out of hand. Cement head Stewert thinks because he is a past champion he should be the only guy out their and everyone else get out of my way. Gorden isnt to far behind that logic too! If they are that good and leading a race the slower drivers are SUPPOSED to go to the bottom of the track to let the faster cars drive around them well Goofy Gordon takes them out and blames them for being in his way. As far as Stewert goes it doesnt matter where you are on the track he justs hits them. Edwards was a inocent bystander and was taken out of a race because of good ol Smoke what a joke this is turning out to be what should happen is what we have in the short track division If you cause or involved in any way to a yellow flag you go to the back of the pack Tail of the feild and have to work your way back up. No questions asked, these fines they set are nothing compaired to takeing track position away where the big money is. Points is what counts and take them out of the 10 race series at the end of the yr would make a few of them think before useing their cars as snowplows!
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the slower drivers are SUPPOSED to go to the bottom of the track to let the faster cars drive around them well Goofy Gordon takes them out and blames them for being in his way.
goofy gordon is a 4 time champ and doesnt wipe people out for fun, when he does it its for the win, not with 100 laps to go, its when a slower car is in front of him with under 5 to go and the slower car keeps blocking him, what does the slower car expect? the faster guy to say, well ill just sit here and wait until 3rd place comes up and dumps us both and let him win the race because im a nice guy, thats why people like vickers will never be a champ, would you rtather have 7-8 championships or be known as the best driver who never won a championship, but he was a nice guy :cookoo:
just like any other sport, nice guys finish last, did LT quit rushing the QB after he broke theismans leg?
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Well, the big race at Indy this weekend. YAAWWWNNN. This is the biggest bore of all year. Look for Kayne, Hamlin, and Smoke. I am sure the Hendrick bunch will be in the top 10. I would also like to ask JJ and Matt to wreck this weekend, (nothing against these guys) I would just love to see more than 10 guys in the chase.
Mike
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it can turn into a yawner, but its a biggie moneywise and for the fans....going to pick Kurt Busch to be in the winners circle...Grump
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well im a gordon fan so this isnt hard for me, im going with the guy who has the first win at the brickyard, the most wins at the brickyard and the most poles at the brickyard, GORDON to put him in a tie with dale sr. for all time wins :tipup:
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well im a gordon fan so this isnt hard for me, im going with the guy who has the first win at the brickyard, the most wins at the brickyard and the most poles at the brickyard, GORDON to put him in a tie with dale sr. for all time wins :tipup:
About as boring as the race is going to be. :P
Mike
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I'd like to see my man Mark win it this time around....
(and, as a side note.....sorry Arch.....I don't care who wins as long as it isn't flame boy).....Esox
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http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/08/02/jgordon.indy/index.html (http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/08/02/jgordon.indy/index.html)
mark who ??? ;)
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ARCH, YOU ARE A JERK!!!! >:( I saw that article and avoided it like the plague; you tricked me into opening it. :cursing: I thought my eyes were going to burn! :'(
Mike ;D
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ARCH, YOU ARE A JERK!!!! >:( I saw that article and avoided it like the plague; you tricked me into opening it. :cursing: I thought my eyes were going to burn! :'(
Mike ;D
burn baby burn :laugh:
did you see the thing i posted on power rankings?
the things they say about the drivers are funny as heck :laugh:
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mark who ??? ;)
You know Arch . He the old guy on the track who gets out of everyone way.
I'm picking Jimmie Johnson for this week.
GO JIMMIE GO
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You know Arch . He the old guy on the track who gets out of everyone way.
I'm picking Jimmie Johnson for this week.
GO JIMMIE GO
I wonder what the "J" stands for.........................
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You know Arch . He the old guy on the track who gets out of everyone way.
oh the old brian vickers :laugh:
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Yeah, MX wonder about that J. Can't go wrong with a name like Johnson. :-\
Old Brain Vickers :rotflol: :rotflol:
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Can't go wrong with a name like Johnson. :-\
problem is, no matter what your the shaft ;)
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Its better to be the shaft, than getting the shaft. ::)
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Its better to be the shaft, than getting the shaft. ::)
which brings us back to brian vickers :laugh:
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which brings us back to brian vickers :laugh:
:rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
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I tell you what; Vickers is the best lame duck I have ever seen. He has gotten better since announcing his departure. I would pick Vickers over Johnson this week. Johnson has an average finninsh of 20 something at Indy in the last 4 races. :sick:
Mark Martin --- 2557
Jeff Gordon --- 2512
Things that make you go, hmmmmmm. :unsure:
Mike
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i dont think he has gotten better, his carrer average finish is 21, this year its 20, its his second year, hes on pace with last year, people have just heard more of him this year because of toyota :tipup:
yeah, jeff is on the rise and mark is dropping like a rock. 5 races ago mark was in 3rd and jeff was out of the top 10, now there 45 points apart coming to a track mark has never won at and jeff is #1 at? what makes you go hmmmm mike?
yeah, jimmy has 1 top 10 and average finish of 25+ but hes not trying to win, just hang on so i dont think he will make any mistakes and be in the top 10 at the end, but who knows, his horseshoe is gonna fall out eventually :tipup:
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Jimmie's horse shoe falling? I don't rememberer hearing chad was leaving. ??? They usually pull something off to get in the top ten.
This is great fun. I love talking nascar smack.
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Jimmie's horse shoe falling? I don't rememberer hearing chad was leaving. ??? They usually pull something off to get in the top ten.
This is great fun. I love talking nascar smack.
chad? what about the first few races this year? chad who?
yeah, hes always in the top 10, never in the top 1 though, he will get in but wont win it all :tipup:
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Yeah, the suspension. What a joke. You'd think people sponsored by nextel would have heard of a cell phone or a lap top. Don't think for one minute if they're not
at the track they're not there.
So his only won one battle. He is winning the war. Constancy baby.
What's up with Jeff. You can still see the Jeff of old. It can't be all bad luck?
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You may or may not have heard it here first: Chad Knaus crew chief at Red Bull Racing. :o
I give you credit Arch, you never fail your driver. :-\
Well Arch, my research shows basically the same thing as your research, except Vickers has moved from 20th in points to 16th in points since the announcement. :-\
Mike ;D
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Chad leaving? :'( Did you see that on nascar.com?
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Nope, I just something I have heard. You hear anything about his contract being renewed? Everyone else at Hendricks is taken care of, not Chad though.
Mike
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You may or may not have heard it here first: Chad Knaus crew chief at Red Bull Racing. :o
I give you credit Arch, you never fail your driver. :-\
Well Arch, my research shows basically the same thing as your research, except Vickers has moved from 20th in points to 16th in points since the announcement. :-\
Mike ;D
true, but that is other peoples driving not his, his stats have stayed the same as last year ???
lol thats funny, chad leaving a championship caliber racer to go to toyota :rotflol:
clean your ears mike, that wont happen :cookoo:
chad has been with hendrick since '93 as a crew member on gordons car since he was a rookie, now he is the crew chief on a car jeff gordon owns, i think he has some loyalty and isnt go to go off and start over :tipup:
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oh mike, did you you see ESPN sportcenter ???
rusty if giving kudos to jeff, thats gotta hurt :laugh:
on cold pizza they just did a fake sportcentury thing on ricky bobby :laugh: freaking hilarious :tipup:
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Just read on nascar.com that Knaus signed with Hendrick through the 2010 season.....
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Just read it Esox, whatever. Now I have to put a boot up the backside of my source. :cursing: This kid can't be feeding me bad info like this. :cursing: I give kudos to Jeff all the time, he is a hell of a racecar driver. If he wasn't such a pansy arsed butthole off the track, maybe I would give him more credit. :sick: Rusty is getting paid to talk about racing, that is what he does. I heard what he said and I agree with what he said, that doesn't change my views of Jeff. Rusty did look a bit stiff though, he needs to pull that stick from his arse. :blink:
Mike
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Just read it Esox, whatever. Now I have to put a boot up the backside of my source. :cursing: This kid can't be feeding me bad info like this. :cursing: I give kudos to Jeff all the time, he is a hell of a racecar driver. If he wasn't such a pansy arsed butthole off the track, maybe I would give him more credit. :sick: Rusty is getting paid to talk about racing, that is what he does. I heard what he said and I agree with what he said, that doesn't change my views of Jeff. Rusty did look a bit stiff though, he needs to pull that stick from his arse. :blink:
Mike
rusty talks about jeff, thats racing ;)
i admit, i know all you gordon haters dont dis his record, just him, either way, who is better right now?
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, who is better right now?
Jeff Burton
Mike
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Whats the word from NC about the Yates camp?? I'd hate to be over there working in that shop....I'd be spending time sending out my resume'. Seems like they're firing a lot of people and the ones who aren't being fired are quitting...
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16 laps into the race...Flame Boy is already one lap down and in danger of being black flagged.....wooohooooo!!!!!
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Whats the word from NC about the Yates camp?? I'd hate to be over there working in that shop....I'd be spending time sending out my resume'. Seems like they're firing a lot of people and the ones who aren't being fired are quitting...
No word. There does seem to be a great differance of opinion on how a race team should be run though.
Skinner makes pitstop and caution comes out, thus screwing JG out of lucky dog. AWESOME. I don't like Skinner, but I give him props for his ussual suckin. :rotflol: :rotflol:
Mike
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rusty talks about jeff, thats racing ;)
i admit, i know all you gordon haters dont dis his record, just him, either way, who is better right now?
About 15 guys were this afternoon......
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JJ has more than horseshoes up his behind....what can you say after getting a flat...coming back and walking away with the race....alot of good cars that should've....could've.... :sleep1: :sleep1: :sleep1: Grump
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JJ has more than horseshoes up his behind....what can you say after getting a flat...coming back and walking away with the race....alot of good cars that should've....could've.... :sleep1: :sleep1: :sleep1: Grump
lol, its was pretty funny when he dropped the flag and people threw beer cups at him, only 2 or 3 though, nothing like when jeff wins :laugh: but he finished 16th, after being 3 laps down and out of the top 10, thatll work for me, now hes sitting pretty in 8th just abot a 100 points out of 4th :tipup:
man, your the only one that seen jimmy coming, good call :tipup:
the horseshoe is still firmly in place :tipup:
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boy, JR. sure didnt add any fans to his list :laugh: lol, did anyone hear what he said? that its inevitble that jeff is going to pass his dad, even if his dad was still alive and raced another 5 years jeff would pass him, hes one of the greatest drivers, and will probably pass or be around 100 when hes done :laugh: i can just imagine how the hardcore big E fans felt about that one, everyone knows its true, but man for it to be said out loud, and by E kid at that :o i love NASCAR :tipup:
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Alright, who's it going to be this week? I'm sticking with JJ. The horse shoe still seems to be working. ;) But it will probably be Tony S. or Jeff G. Mark Martin might make a strong showing.
Anyone from NY going to the Glen to watch?
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Anyone from NY going to the Glen to watch?
i was going to, my wife promised me she would get me tickets for my birthday ??? , lol if i forgot to get what she wanted for hers i would be castrated :tipup:
im sticking with jeff on the road course, tony will be too busy looking for or being looked for by boris and carl, although if i thought his car would make it i would give robby gordon a chance :tipup:
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Sorry about the birthday present. :'( I know exactly what you mean about the wife thing. ;D
Like I said Jeff is a good bet. I hope the other Gorden steers clear of him. ;)
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lol, did anyone notice that mayfield is gone? it started out that he was just being replaced for this race by bill elliot because hes a guaranteed entry because mayfield droped out of the top 35 and elliot is a past champion, but now evernham just announced that mayfield will no longer be employeed by evernham racing :tipup:
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well gordon and johnson are starting in the top 5 :tipup:
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Well, it's hard to bet against a Gordon or a Stewart on a Road course, But...... I couldn't pick one, so I picked Boris :afro: Said. He got me a top 10 at Infineon and I think he will get me closer to a win than Jeff Burton.
I think Ray Everhnham is a piece of crap. This whole Mayfield situation is of his making and he is avoiding all blame. I am going to stop typing now, I am very angry. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
Mike
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I think Ray Everhnham is a piece of crap. This whole Mayfield situation is of his making and he is avoiding all blame. I am going to stop typing now, I am very angry. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
Mike
maybe if he listened to his driver he would have a driver ???
i dont think mayfield is all that good, but he doesnt deserve this :tipup:
there has to be a legal battel coming, mayfield said he couldnt talk about what was going on because of legal reasons ???
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He made the Chase 2 years in a row J, that isn't luck by a long shot. Especially last year when Jr and JG didn't. He can't makej a mediocre team great, but he knows what to do with good equiptment. Sadler to the 19, Mayfield to the 38 in MI?
Mike
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I'm sticking with JJ
...a road course racer he's not...not a hope in H_ll...lol...see Kurt Busch has the pole by over 1/2 second over the next best....Mayfield had his chance for some glory when he was with Penske, but his head got too big and he left the team in the same mess he has had a part in this year....garbage!! Sadler going to the 19 team is most likely, but not a chance for Mayfield going to the 38....Yates is having problems and dont need to compound them by adding JM...RYR has already stated that if Ward Burton can secure sponsorship, he has a ride with them....likely scenario is Burton...Gilliland fulltime Cup for 2007...Mayfield will most likely hook up for the big bucks with MWR and Toyota and flop again....airing your thoughts in the media the way JM has, is bad publicity and Evernham had no choice but to sever the ties....Grump.....BTW....I'll go with a ringer and pick Boris :afro: too Mike ;D
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He made the Chase 2 years in a row J, that isn't luck by a long shot. Especially last year when Jr and JG didn't. He can't makej a mediocre team great, but he knows what to do with good equiptment. Sadler to the 19, Mayfield to the 38 in MI?
Mike
it is luck, the chase is a joke, both years he wouldnt have been in the top 15 without the chase, heck kut busch was suspended 2 races and still finished in front of mayfield, the guy is a choker, and without the chase gordon would have 5 championships and kurt busch 0, but rules are rules and thats why mayfield is in his predicament, who else goes from top 10 one year to being out of the top 35 the next? he doesnt deserve whats happening, but its happening for a reason :tipup: the chase is for mediocre drivers to have a chance, if your 300 points out at 10 races to go, stay there, your there for a reason, you shouldnt be brought within 50? its all about money and ratings, and i love it that people think racing should be pure but go for this crap, the same people who are fans of drivers who would never have a chance otherwise :tipup:
who cares about the pole? just because your set up good to go 2 laps by yourself doesnt mean your worth a crap in traffic, plus its still kurt busch, is he a good road racer? you have stewart, said, and both gordons, look at johnson, he qualified 5th, and he is horrible on the road courses, same with JR, look at fellows, qualifying 18th, and hes a ringer, a winning setup and a qualifying setup are 2 different things :tipup:
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just because your set up good to go 2 laps by yourself doesnt mean your worth a crap in traffic
...traffic plays NO part in road course racing....Grump
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I guess I can't argue with you J, Ray and JG go hand in hand and other things in other things. :P Must be that Erin is calling the shots over at evernham now. ::)
Mike
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...traffic plays NO part in road course racing....Grump
I hope you aren't serious Grump; Road Courses are notorious for being very hard to pass on and traffic being your worst nightmare. Like Infineon when Tony put a major league rubbin on Said. Robby Gordon rubs out Harvick for win. Traffic is all day long.
Mike
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He made the Chase 2 years in a row J, that isn't luck by a long shot. Especially last year when Jr and JG didn't. He can't makej a mediocre team great, but he knows what to do with good equiptment. Sadler to the 19, Mayfield to the 38 in MI?
Mike
This is HOT off the presses. http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/08/12/jmayfield_fillin/index.html (http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/08/12/jmayfield_fillin/index.html)
I follow my Nascar.
Mike
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just because your set up good to go 2 laps by yourself doesnt mean your worth a crap in traffic
....in this context Mike....theres only so many spots to pass....if the car is setup to handle the road course, its only a matter of time before the superior car gets to the front....Grump ;D
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Mike....my statement was in the context of setup...if the car is "setup" to handle extremely well, its just a matter of time before the superior car and driver can outbrake, dive deeper into the corner and hit the gas sooner if the car sticks. a loose road course car is doomed...traffic or no traffic....Grump
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what an awesome green/white checker finish to the Busch race....the fans sure got their moneys worth watching those two go through the busstop..RG cutting through the grass to shorten the turn then pinching Busch...some paint swapping racing is what its all about....GREAT Race!!!....Grump
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....in this context Mike....theres only so many spots to pass....if the car is setup to handle the road course, its only a matter of time before the superior car gets to the front....Grump ;D
Mike....my statement was in the context of setup...if the car is "setup" to handle extremely well, its just a matter of time before the superior car and driver can outbrake, dive deeper into the corner and hit the gas sooner if the car sticks. a loose road course car is doomed...traffic or no traffic....Grump
both your statements go against kurt? hes not even close to a road racer, once the traffic starts heating up he will be passed or moved out of the way, a fast car is good but if you get in the way of the guys that know how to get around the track you will be boxed with no where to go and either give up the spots or moved :tipup: i dont give kurt a top 10 finish :tipup:
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I guess Kurt beat one of the best "regular" non ringer road course racers at his game today Jason...not only once or twice...but came back several times to take the win.....its not luck...but skill....Grump....see what happens tomorrow (https://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi15.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa398%2Fgrump606%2F3-3.gif&hash=b315ea957be857198d2838c22538255f)
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Don't sweat it Grump. If it ain't JG, they can't drive. ::) I guess Jason has missed 95% of the road course action this year. :-[ I didn't see the end of the race, sounds like I missed a good one. Go Boris, Go. :thumbup_smilie:
Mike :D
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thats a bush car grump?
look at the times for the nextel practice with other drivers on the course with him ???
http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2006/22/data/practice3_speeds.html (http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2006/22/data/practice3_speeds.html)
he is the top dodge though :laugh: kurt only has 1 top 10 at the glen, his average finish is 26.2 and 20.9 on all road courses, the only reason he was fast in his qualifying is because he is in rusty's car :tipup: but by no means is he rusty :tipup:
http://www.nascar.com/drivers/dps/kbusch00/cup/index.html (http://www.nascar.com/drivers/dps/kbusch00/cup/index.html)
Isee what happens tomorrow (https://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi15.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa398%2Fgrump606%2F3-3.gif&hash=b315ea957be857198d2838c22538255f)
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Don't sweat it Grump. If it ain't JG, they can't drive. ::) I guess Jason has missed 95% of the road course action this year. :-[ I didn't see the end of the race, sounds like I missed a good one. Go Boris, Go. :thumbup_smilie:
Mike :D
there has only been 1 road course race this year? did you miss it :tipup:
as i recall kurt had the pole there and jeff won :tipup:
gordon has 4 wins at the glen, followed by martin and stewart with 3 each :tipup:
http://www.nascar.com/kyn/nbtn/cup/data/tracks/spr_winners.html (http://www.nascar.com/kyn/nbtn/cup/data/tracks/spr_winners.html)
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Arch...Arch....Arch....last practice is nothing more than a shakedown of the race ready car...lap times mean nothing....JG will be lucky if he finishes in the top 10 tomorrow....see you here tomorrow.................................to be continued...Grump ;D
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Arch...Arch....Arch....last practice is nothing more than a shakedown of the race ready car...lap times mean nothing....JG will be lucky if he finishes in the top 10 tomorrow....see you here tomorrow.................................to be continued...Grump ;D
have your apology speech ready ;)
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[quotehave your apology speech ready][/quote]...a humble angler anxiously awaits another day at the superstar roadcourse....Grump :P
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hows the humble angler ;) well his 20.9 average road course finish isnt in jeopardy with his 21st place finish :tipup:
im curious though, i dont fault kurt, his crew chief called him in at a caution knowing it was a hit or miss if he would make it? he didnt, not kurts fault, he was definitely the class of the field until then, which brings me to my question? what would they have to gain by pitting then? they would have still been behind the people that pitted before him with the caution out and still just in front of the people he was already in front of? nothing to gain but 1 lap less fresh tires and that much less gas? if it wassnt for that call he wouldnt have been near either accident, the second was his doing though, but if it wassnt for his crew chief it wouldnt have happened :tipup: you couldve been right grump, but like i said you have to take the whole race into considereation, driver and crew chief error alike :tipup:
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still a pretty exciting race J....Kurt was called in because they knew the caution flag was going to be waved....just missed it by less than a couple feet....the advantage would have been his if it had of worked...they could have come back out still leading...wasnt meant to be...considering this happened to JG last year in almost the same situation, I think Nascar should seriously look at placing the lights at the entrance and not just before pit road....once you have committed that far, you cannot go back out on the track....had he drove through pitroad without stopping, he would have been at the tailend of the lead lap, which was exactly where he restarted anyway...back to the race.....some of the oval drivers are starting to become pretty adept at road racing.....and alot of the credit has to go to Boris Said....there's others as well, but hes trained plenty...all in all, both races were outstanding...especially yesterdays Busch race....Busch finished 19th BTW and JG 13th...Grump http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/cup/results (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/cup/results)
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no if kurt would have made it in before the lights the field would be frozen and he would be considered behind the people that already pitted ??? which if he wouldnt have tried to gamble would have put him in the same spot he was already in ??? lose lose, thats why the crew chief was so hard on himself ???
all in all it was a good race, lots of hard racing and can you believe said :o how many times was he dumped and spun ??? and he still finished 6th :bowdown: great job to boris :tipup:
they also came out with the official results, kurt was 21 unofficially but now he is scored 19th, i posted right after the race was over, and it was still unofficial :tipup:
martin apologized to gordon for the spin, but gordon said he could have given a little as well, and its hard to stay mad at a guy like mark martin, it was just good hard racing :tipup:
all around the track was alot of good hard racing :tipup:
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apparently Said and Fellows skipped the interloop on the last lap. Said was moved to 31st and Fellows 32. Which brought me from winning my fantasy racing this week by 140 to losing by 4 points. :-\
i didnt notice that, thats why kurt went from 21 to 19, along with everyone else moving up 2,those two got sent back :tipup:
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Nascar penalized them for avoiding another car and making and even Bigger wreck? All I can say is it made a good finnish in fantasy a bad finnish. :'(
Boy, it doesn't take much for this board to die. :-\ Not sure if it has been announced yet, but Sadlers seat went into the 19 car Tuesday morning.
Biffle is my Fantasy pick this week. I had a tough choice picking 6th. I passed on JJ, does anyone see something wrong with that? :o ::) 8)
Mike :afro: <--- Said Head
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biffle won the early race last year ??? could be a good pic, im going go away from jeff this week :'( its hard to do but i have a sneaky suspicion the young one is going to do what it takes to win this race, im going with kasey kahne, but jeff will be second ;)
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who's biffle???? sure hope this turns into a fuel strategy race...makes for some interesting decisions on how hard to run to conserve, or how hard to run to get a good lead....hmmm....going to go with the #12 car...long overdue and an easier track to stay out of trouble on...Grump
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....hmmm....going to go with the #12 car...long overdue and an easier track to stay out of trouble on...Grump
Who runs the 12 car?? ??? :unsure:
Mike
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Who runs the 12 car??
...you Can be replaced you know. lmao...Grump
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...you Can be replaced you know. lmao...Grump
so can newman, he stinks, always has, he used to be the man on the qualifying, but he still stinks :tipup:
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Maybe he should go back to the Intrepid. :rotflol:
Mike
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Nascar is messed up Newman also skipped the interloop on the last lap and they moved him to 31st then moved him back up when they reviewed it again...
Matt, I did not see what happened on that lap there, but I do know that Fellows and Said did not stop upon reentering the race track. It was put out in the drivers meeting, you must stop is you skip the bus stop.
Jeff Burton tore em up, Newman was fast. It looks like even Sadler can run fast at Michigan with the 19 car. (Mayfield won this race in that car last year) I am sure they will be spouting off about how much better Sadler is, but I think it's misrepresented.
Mike
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well Mike.....seeing that Sadler had to put the car in the race on time with no provisional to rely on, I think he flat out just about bust the entire field....lets give Elliot a little credit here....do you think Mayfield would have run as good a qualifying lap?....me thinks not....Grump ::)
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im going with kasey kahne, but jeff will be second ;)
well i got the second place :laugh:
this is a tough one, im going with gordon though, SURPRISE :laugh: but this track is hard to pick a winner at, one thing is for sure, its always an entertaining race :tipup:
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I say #2 Kurt Busch since he won here already and He is Driving the car that has won quite a few at this track ;D
Geez I miss Rusty :'(
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did you guys see edwards got fined and put on probation until dec. 31st for bumping into JR ??? i think 20k, man its just not edwards year :tipup:
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did you guys see edwards got fined and put on probation until dec. 31st for bumping into JR ??? i think 20k, man its just not edwards year :tipup:
HMMM, I thought Edwards was already on probation?? ??? ***censored**** is NASCAR doing? :cursing: I can't believe he isn't in the penalty box for the Busch race at Bristol. Aw Shucks Mr Helton sir, Golly Gee I didn't mean to ram him that hard under caution conditions. :pinch: What? you say I grabbed his uniform in Victory Lane? I was just rubbing his shoulders after a hard fought race. :-* That jerk needs to be put in time out until he can get control of himself. :-\
Go ahead J, try to say Jr was in the wrong. :w00t:
Mike
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Go ahead J, try to say Jr was in the wrong. :w00t:
Mike
i didnt see it, i only have hear say to go on ???
but what happens under racing conditions is different than after the penalty comes out, from what i hear, i would have to agree with the penalty ??? but like i said i didnt see the race :tipup:
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i didnt see it, i only have hear say to go on ???
but what happens under racing conditions is different than after the penalty comes out,
The 2 (IMO) infractions happened after the checkered flag. Edwards t-boned Jr after the checkered flag and then confronted him in Vicktory Circle. Any infractions (detrimental to the sport) not taken care of during the race are taken care of in the next few days.
Mike
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Seriously, the incident with Jr. and Edwards was just racing...Why wouldn't you go for the win if you had the chance? I mean hell, Gordon does it every time he's in that position... ::)
As for this weeks pick...I'm gonna go with Biffle...I don't know why, I just think he's overdue for a win....
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If Jr was first and Carl took him out in a turn the i bet he would get the black flag. Nascar lets some drivers do whatever they want... my .02
wasn't it the last lap ???
Seriously, the incident with Jr. and Edwards was just racing...Why wouldn't you go for the win if you had the chance? I mean hell, Gordon does it every time he's in that position... ::)
any driver would, i have said this before, a good driver is going for the win first, and worry about feelings and fines later :tipup: thats why until Vickers gets a mean streak in him he wont do jack crap in NASCAR, but as soon as he figures it out hes gonna be a heck of a driver, look at Mark Martin, a good respectable driver, but finished second in points twice to big E, once to Gordon and once to Stewart, respectable, but not a champion :tipup: how many times has Gordon, Rusty, big E, or Stewart, bumped for the win ??? and when you think of champions over the past 10 years who comes to mind ??? no one remembers the people that got bumped out of the way along the way, thats for sure :tipup:
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Ok, this week is one of the top 5 races of the year.the other four being the restrictor plate races. (As much as it is not driving so much as hanging on, it is a BLAST to watch. :thumbup_smilie:) But, the only thing I could compare a night race at Bristol to is a game at Lambeau Field to watch my beloved Packers. :bowdown: The racing has left something to be desired over recent years, but it's still Bristol!! :w00t: I got the pleasure or the demise of picking first in Fantasy this week. I really had 2 choices IMO, Harvick and Busch; (I refuse to pick J Gordon :sick:). I decided to go with consistancy and choose Harvick. You really need tenacity in vast quantities in addition to quality driving; Harvick has both. Rock on fellas. :flex:
BTW, the Trucks are on tonite on Speed. :clapping:
Mike :afro: <--- Still a Said Head. ;)
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I will go with Kurt Busch this week.
must be a red sox fan going with busch? destined to win one on a fluke and set up the rest for dissapointment ;D
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must be a red sox fan going with busch? destined to win one on a fluke and set up the rest for dissapointment ;D
I don't know I think he has done a fairly decent job in the #2 car this year ;) Must be Rusty left a little something for him on how to get around the ole Bullring ;D
That is one place I would like to see a race!!!!!
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I don't know I think he has done a fairly decent job in the #2 car this year ;) Must be Rusty left a little something for him on how to get around the ole Bullring ;D
That is one place I would like to see a race!!!!!
i know, i just had to sneak in the red sox joke :laugh:
he lives in their territory :tipup:
i dont think he needs rusty's help, kurt won 5 of the last 9 races there with out the #2 :tipup:
but like i said, too much goes on here to predict a winner :tipup:
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i dont think he needs rusty's help, kurt won 5 of the last 9 races there with out the #2 :tipup:
but like i said, too much goes on here to predict a winner :tipup:
I can't stand Kurt, but that Cat can get around Bristol. I could have picked him for my fantasy, but I just couldn't trust him, he has been very bad lately. I went with consistancy and Happy Harvick. Happy knows how to use cautious aggression in the bullring, I have my fingers crossed. ;)
Mike
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i agree with the kurt factor, he isnt very good this year ??? but he definitely knows bristol :tipup:
too many variables to pick a clear winner at this track :-\
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i agree with the kurt factor, he isnt very good this year
the curse continues, sorry to all the kurt fans, but he sucks :laugh:
man, i am a gordon fan through and through, but i cant help but admit i was kinda rooting for burton, man he needs a win, but congrats to matt, him and jimmy are now locked into the chase :tipup:
gordon is only 87 points out of 3rd ;D
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Kurt has fans?
I will go with Kurt Busch this week.
:rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol: busted :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
Also good to see Riggs have a good run.
im mixed about that one, on one hand he is in no contention for anything and should have let gordon and hamlin go, they are actually racing for something, yet on the other hand he could have spun gordon and didnt, but it all worked out in the end, riggs got the spot and no one wrecked :tipup:
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I picked him for this race. I honstly can't stand him. He's a good driver. I just don't like him.
i wouldnt pick him in a go-kart race against 8 year olds this year :laugh:
the only reason he has a championship is because the rules changed to let anyone win :tipup:
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i wouldnt pick him in a go-kart race against 8 year olds this year :laugh:
Huh, that is exactly how I feel about Gordon. :rotflol: :rotflol:
Gordon's post race comments are exactly why I can't stand the guy. He is such a jerk, will spin someone out at the drop of a hat, but wants to criticize someone for trying to do it the right way. :cursing: He admitted to being a slower car, but wouldn't GIVE up the position and then whines about how he got passed. :'(
This post was very hard to do w/o swearing. :-[
Mike
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Huh, that is exactly how I feel about Gordon. :rotflol: :rotflol:
Gordon's post race comments are exactly why I can't stand the guy. He is such a jerk, will spin someone out at the drop of a hat, but wants to criticize someone for trying to do it the right way. :cursing: He admitted to being a slower car, but wouldn't GIVE up the position and then whines about how he got passed. :'(
This post was very hard to do w/o swearing. :-[
Mike
what are you talking about? gordon said thank god i didnt get spun because he (riggs) was faster, but being faster doesnt mean you know how to pass at this track, he never whined about anything, riggs was the one upset gordon wouldnt let him by, but gordon was fighting for points, riggs was just fighting ??? gordon doesnt spin people at the drop of a hat, he does it for the win, not 5th place like some of the other morons out there, he even got into kenseth on the pass and gave the spot back to show he wanted to do it clean, some of you comments make me wonder if you watch the race or read nascar.com or watch speed in the morning ??? :tipup:
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some of you comments make me wonder if you watch the race or read nascar.com or watch speed in the morning ??? :tipup:
You can wonder, but the answer is all 3. I saw plenty of passing by the front runners. I saw many move over and give the faster driver the spot. I saw Gordon, who admitted Riggs was faster, hold Riggs up for many laps. I saw Riggs make the pass to the inside, rubbing Gordon on the way by. Riggs did not bump Gordon out of the way. I guess I don't like the way the guys who run up front consistently talk about the guys who tend to run a bit further back. I just seems to me like there is not a desire to win, to get as many positions as possible. I understand the whole calculated risk thing, but they are racing at Bristol and Riggs made a quality Bristol pass. You know I don't like Gordon and my comments will come across as such. Do I have a stellar memory, no I don't. But, I do remember Gordon holding Riggs up, I remember Riggs passing Gordon, and I remember Gordon disliking the way Riggs went about it.
I guess I would like to also say that I wonder about many of your comments, but I keep that to myself. The majority of my disparraging of Gordon is done with tongue in cheek. Maybe you could keep that in mind in the future before you question my integrity. :-\
Mike
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But, I do remember Gordon holding Riggs up, I remember Riggs passing Gordon, and I remember Gordon disliking the way Riggs went about it.
then you rememebr wrong, gordon was greatfull to riggs after the race, if you seen the argument before they interviewed gordon, riggs was the one upset, gordon wassnt, gordon said that riggs got by him clean and honest, he even appologized for holding him up but said that he needed the position more than riggs and if riggs couldnt get bye him he wassnt going to let him bye and loose 2 spots being on the outside :tipup:
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back on subject, i am again going with GORDON, he is the first winner on this track, he has the race record on this track and is the only multiple win racer on this track, with 3 wins :tipup: the only thingthat would shade my pick is kenseth, he is on fire, he also won here back in february, and is locked in for the chase so he has nothing to lose by going all out for the win, and the fact that gordon isnt locked in and may do another night of big picture racing instead of winning racing ???
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Gordon is just as bad a whiner as Stewart, when things don't go his way. He needs to be punted once in awhile for good measure, even if it's just "out of the blue." He may not have whined this weekend, but he'll make up for it somewhere.
He's becoming a bitter shrew, because he's no longer the "go-to" man at Hendricks.
I'll take Kasey this weekend, and he'll follow it up with a top 5 at Richmond, and be the only dodge in the chase.(At Mark Martins expense.) ;D
Anchorman
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hey, jimmy being the go to doesnt make jeff whine, heck, jeff owns the 48 car, the more jimmy wins the more jeff makes, plus jimmy isnt the go to anything until he wins something :tipup:
i like kahne, i think of all the young drivers right now he has the best future :tipup:
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It's just too bad Kasey does'nt drive for the right Mfgr. Dodge is not the place to be right now.
Evernham has his head up Crocker,
Chip and Roger are more worried about that elusive IRL title,
and Petty is still in 1999 with their performance.
He shoulda jumped to Toyota. He would have all the resources on the planet. It may take toyota a year or 2 at most to be competitive, but after that it'll look like the truck series. Like 8-9 toyotas in the top 10.
Right now theres like 8 chevys in the Nextel top ten.
For the record, i'm a chevy fan.
Anchorman
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Speaking of wondering.... http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/opinion/08/28/we_wonder/index.html (http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/opinion/08/28/we_wonder/index.html)
I am going with Biffle. This guy led the most laps in the spring before he broke a motor. This guy still has some pride on the line. Like Martin, Biffle has 11 top 10s and 5 top 5s, but he has a win and Mark doesn't. Unfortunately he has had some really bad finishes. I think we will also see Kenseth, Gordon, Edwards, and the dark horse Hamlin up front.
Mike
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lol, who doesnt use those double edged statements ;D
mike, speaking of hamlin, how about this kid, sitting in 6th place with 2 races to go until the chase :tipup:
man, seeing racers like him lets us know that future feuds and good races will be going for along time :tipup:
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mike, speaking of hamlin, how about this kid, sitting in 6th place with 2 races to go until the chase :tipup:
man, seeing racers like him lets us know that future feuds and good races will be going for along time :tipup:
That kid is crazy smooth. 8) I have to disagree with your feud statement though, Hamlin is more like "anti-feud". He is so smooth, kinda like Martin. That kid can flat out drive a racecar, man how does someone that young do it? I think our future scrappers our out there though. As long as we are "wondering" today, how awesome would it be to see Kyle Busch, Carl Edwards, and Dale Jr in a green, white, checker at Richmond. :o There is plenty of anger on controversy to go around. Who would think that Matt Kenseth would be in the middle of the controversy he found himself in? I think Mike Waltrip gets more airtime than he does?? ::) LOL, Ya gotta love Nascar, and it's a SPORT danggit!!! :thumbup_smilie: :flag: :flex:
Mike :afro:
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Ha, funny thing I read on Nascar.com, Denny finished 6th. I honestly had no idea he was up there. He is Mark Martin sneaky, I'm telling ya. That is amazing a rookie can do that well and be in front of that much experience. :o
Mike
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I have to disagree with your feud statement though, Hamlin is more like "anti-feud".
i didnt mean fued in a smash and bang, talk crap and wreck each other kinda way, more like racers who have to battle each other to be at the top, iinda like kenseth and harvick, always have clean races with each other and good words to say about each other, but on the track they always put on a good clean show when they are near each other, there are other good young racers, like kyle busch, but he can geta temper like his brother :tipup: like you said denny is like martin, but i think will end his career better than mark, but i see in 10 years kahne, busch, hamlin, vickers, etc.. being the ones to beat each week :tipup:
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My question to you; Do you like the direction Nascar is heading? I don't remember how long you have been watching Nascar, like 4 years?? I have been watching for 12 and a lot has changed. I had been saying for years how it seems like Nascar is taking over for IRL and F1. It seems that the sanctioning body has taken away the emotions, and I am not just throwing this out there, a lot of analysts have said the same thing. What is your take?
Mike
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My question to you; Do you like the direction Nascar is heading? I don't remember how long you have been watching Nascar, like 4 years?? I have been watching for 12 and a lot has changed. I had been saying for years how it seems like Nascar is taking over for IRL and F1. It seems that the sanctioning body has taken away the emotions, and I am not just throwing this out there, a lot of analysts have said the same thing. What is your take?
Mike
same as you, about 12 years, thats why im a gordon fan, i jumped on the bandwagonof the new young hot driver back in 94/95, kinda like the kids nowadays jumping on with kahne or hamlin :tipup:
i think its going in the right direction, its getting a little soft, but all sports are, gotta keep up with the times and lawyers ???
i dont think there taking over as much as we think, in the US theres no doubt, but not world wide by any means, kinda like soccer, we think its a second rate sport that no one watches, but if we think about it, thats how the rest of the world thinks about foorball, it doesnt hold a candle to soccer viewers :tipup: i think NASCAR is more popular in the US because NASCAR people have personalities, they fight , they talk trash, some are dirty, plus more and better wrecks, etc... its more apealing to americans :tipup:
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Yep, I agree on all counts. I guess it's partly perception and partly true about the kinder gentler Nascar; Then comes along a guy like Edwards who Days of Thunders Dale Jr, GOTTA LOVE IT!! I know everything changes, sometimes I just bristle against it a bit.
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I went to my first Nascar race in 1994 at Talladega and watched Spencer win his first and only Cup race in the McDonalds car. Everyone at that time thought he was a loose cannon...much the same as some drivers being discussed in todays ranks. I would tend to agree that Nascar is taking alot of the emotion we would all like to see on live TV, but when you consider the huge investments that some of these corporations are making to the sport, you have a deeper appreciation of how they have to keep them in check as far as what they say, do on and off the track....heck...nothing gets the adrenalin flowing when it comes to the small ovals where crashing and banging is considered more acceptable...should scan the pictures some day and post them...took panoramic shots of the starting grid, and still to this day chuckle when I see the 24 car starting dead last....Grump ;D
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he won the pepsi 400 in the mcdonalds car that same year, actually 3 weeks earlier ???
thats ok, he started 15th, not last, but he only finished 31st, had engine problems, it wassnt his fault, it was only his second year :tipup:
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NEWMAN???? :D :D
Wow, I guess as long as we're playing the longshots, i'll go with:
1 Waltrip
2 Bill Lester
3 Bill Elliott ;D
Anchorman
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On 2nd thoughts I should probably have a number 4 infront of the 1,2,3 picks above. ;)
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hmmmm....I'll go with Morgan Shepherd....Grump :P....did Lake Speed get on the entry list? :P
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Derrick Cope by 10 car lengths!!!!!!
Hey it could happen. He was handed the D-500.
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Derrick Cope by 10 car lengths!!!!!!
Hey it could happen. He was handed the D-500.
you took my pick :'(
has he finished in the top 40 in the past 5 years ???
man red_fin, first kurt the curse and now newman, the ex-rocketman ??? he was only ever good at qualifying, he wont win, but if your a gambler, one of these days your longshots may pay off :tipup:
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Off topic just a bit, but they interviewed Kyle Busch yesterday on nascar.com, and he paid high praise to Jimmy Johnson, and very little praise to flame boy......nice to see a Hendrick teammate not mentioning the rainbow warrior first....
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well you have to remember, jeff and kyle dont get along to well :tipup:
Busch: I think the biggest thing is watching Jimmie and how he races. You know, he's always a very fast and particular racer, but he's always very smart and does good with the things that he knows how to do well with, like how to do adjust the car throughout race, what he needs in his car throughout the race, and how he goes about, you know, the beginning, towards the end and whatnot. I mean, you look at him, he's been successful for every season that he's been in the Nextel Cup Series, he's finished in the top 10 in points. So he definitely knows a little bit about how to race and how to go about and how the season plays out and how to work with it.
And from Jeff, you know, kind of the same thing. He's been a very smart racer over the years. He's won four championships himself. You know, he's always been probably one of the best overall racers that I've ever seen as far as his adaptability to all of the different racetracks.
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well you have to remember, jeff and kyle dont get along to well :tipup:
I knew my comment would get something from you Arch....just wanted to see if you were paying attention....
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I knew my comment would get something from you Arch....just wanted to see if you were paying attention....
lol, yeah but he said jeff was one on the best drivers he has ever seen, adaptability wise :tipup:
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Then again, young Kyle has'nt seen much. Jeff was hot when Hendricks held the technological edge. The field is very even now, and his glory days are gone. He's always in the top 15 but very rarely a threat to win anymore, atleast not like he used to be.
He's a great driver in fairly even equipment. His winning percentage has definately dwindeled in the past few years.
Same thing happened to Big E. The field catches up in tech. , and you stop dominating. I hate Jimmy Johnson, but I have got to give him the edge over Gordon, whether it be skill, or cahunas.
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i totally disagree with that, not just as a gordon fan but all together, it has nothing to do with tech. gordon started with a great crew chief, then went to an ok crew chief, and now a rookie, in dision is the key, once steve catches up with gordon he be back to dominating the track, look at majority of his bad finishes, very few are wrecks, majority are car screw ups, and everyone thinks uh oh, one hendrick car blew this or that, yet the other 7-10 cars on the track with hendrick engines have no problem ??? oops, crew chief screwed up, or oops, crew chief added a 1/2# to the wrong side etc... tech has nothing to do with it, you forget the year busch won the cup, was the year the rules changed, gordon would have won by a couple hundred, but lost by 16, rules are rule, but dont doubt that he isnt as dominant as ever, as soon as his crew catches up, hell be back on top :tipup:
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Arch,
Everything I said is true, and you're in denial. I'll give him another 5 years to see if he can regain his old form. The verdict is out until then...... ;D ;D I got a feeling he's going the way of Terry Labonte, and Jimmy will be the next "jeff"!! And I hate Jimmy.
However I love twisting up a gordon fan even more..... ;)
Anchorman
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your not twisting me, your just twisting words ???
gordon would have won his 5th championship 3 years ago if it wassnt for the rule change, yet you say people have caught up? you say people caught up to hendrick, yet hendrick drivers are still the best all around year after year ??? you have more holes in you ideas that swiss cheese ??? gordon had an off year last year with a crew chief change during the season ??? hes in 5th place now, with a favorable to him last 12 races ??? i give him every year to say hes the best, in 13 years his worst finish is 14th, and that was his rookie year? other than that last year was his first time out of the top 10 in 12 years? hes pretty much a lock for the top 10 this year? how can you with a straight face say hes going the way of terry ???
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Trust me, he's getting older, he's remarried, he may want kids,(if he's capable) and he probably wants JGM.(Jeff Gordon Motorsports, not gibbs.)
I don't believe his focus is solely behind the wheel anymore. I'm not saying he sucks, i'm telling you that I think some priorities are changing for him.
I think he's starting to feel like just another stallion in Rick Hendricks stable, and the oldest one at that.
I think he's getting fed up with Nascar, and i'd love to see him go to F1 to kick some European ***. Then i'd root for him.
Anchorman
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hes only 4 years older than jimmy, plus he owns jimmy's car, hes not really in the stable, hes a little bit above that :tipup: will he race until hes 45? i doubt it, hes been around a long time for his age, hes acomplished even more for his age, but i do think hell get 1 or 2 more championships before he is done and hit the 100 win mark :tipup:
as for the marriage thing, he did all his great driving while married, fell off after the divorce, and ever since he announced his engagemnet has kicked it back up :tipup:
not sure where your thoughts were going with the idea he would fall off when he gets married again ???
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hes only 4 years older than jimmy, plus he owns jimmy's car, hes not really in the stable, hes a little bit above that :tipup: will he race until hes 45? i doubt it, hes been around a long time for his age, hes acomplished even more for his age, but i do think hell get 1 or 2 more championships before he is done and hit the 100 win mark :tipup:
as for the marriage thing, he did all his great driving while married, fell off after the divorce, and ever since he announced his engagemnet has kicked it back up :tipup:
not sure where your thoughts were going with the idea he would fall off when he gets married again ???
I don't know about the 1-2 championships or 100 wins.. It's alot harder now too win races. How many guys win 10-11 races in a year anymore ??? Look at how well the younger guys are doing and there is more every year that keep coming in ;) Just my .02
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hes only 4 years older than jimmy, plus he owns jimmy's car, hes not really in the stable, hes a little bit above that :tipup: will he race until hes 45? i doubt it, hes been around a long time for his age, hes acomplished even more for his age, but i do think hell get 1 or 2 more championships before he is done and hit the 100 win mark :tipup:
as for the marriage thing, he did all his great driving while married, fell off after the divorce, and ever since he announced his engagemnet has kicked it back up :tipup:
not sure where your thoughts were going with the idea he would fall off when he gets married again ???
Here's a nice little tidbit on Flame-O...courtesy of nascar.com,,,just listed today on the "by the numbers" article:
>>283 -- Times Jeff Gordon has been passed in the last three California races, more than any other driver. His average finish is 21.3 in those three races.
Here's hoping this trend continues...sorry Arch....Esox
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I don't know about the 1-2 championships or 100 wins.. It's alot harder now too win races. How many guys win 10-11 races in a year anymore ??? Look at how well the younger guys are doing and there is more every year that keep coming in ;) Just my .02
theirs no doubt about the young drivers, but theres only a handfull, and how many races have they won this year ???
i doubt hell get 2 more championships but who knows with the new rules, all you have to do is be in the top 10 and you golden, in the old days he wouldnt have a chance this year, but the most your out now is 50 points, but i bet this year itll either be the 24, 48, 20, 17, or 29, other than that its just ok drivers, as for the 100 wins, i figure hell get at least 2 more this year, putting him at least 77 wins, thats only 23 more over the rest of his career, say 8 more years thats just under 3 wins a year :tipup:
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theirs no doubt about the young drivers, but theres only a handfull, and how many races have they won this year ???
i doubt hell get 2 more championships but who knows with the new rules, all you have to do is be in the top 10 and you golden, in the old days he wouldn't have a chance this year, but the most your out now is 50 points, but i bet this year itll either be the 24, 48, 20, 17, or 29, other than that its just ok drivers, as for the 100 wins, i figure hell get at least 2 more this year, putting him at least 77 wins, thats only 23 more over the rest of his career, say 8 more years thats just under 3 wins a year :tipup:
Yea but the 50 points back can disappear in a hurry if they have a bad race.. Look what Rusty did last year then gets to the chase and all HELL breaks loose
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Arch,
Your saying Gordon "owns" Johnsons car. If Jimmy wins this championship, or any other, lets see who's banner he wins it under? Gordon, or Hendrick? Every time Jimmy wins a race he's thanking his crew chief and Rick Hendrick, not Jeff.
He's not the force he used to be, because the field is just that even. You can make excuses for him, and blame it on his crew chief, or divorce,or whatever but he ain't all that anymore.
I seem to recall him saying that ever since the spoiler got shorter and they started playing more with the tires, that he could'nt get a feel for the car anymore.
What happened is that Jimmy got the cheating crew chief and not Jeff. ;D
Anchorman
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Here's a nice little tidbit on Flame-O...courtesy of nascar.com,,,just listed today on the "by the numbers" article:
>>283 -- Times Jeff Gordon has been passed in the last three California races, more than any other driver. His average finish is 21.3 in those three races.
Here's hoping this trend continues...sorry Arch....Esox
thats ok, he has the race record there, along with the most wins (3) no one else has 2 :tipup:
3 wins and 5 top 5's in 12 races with an over all finish of 12.3, take away those 3 races and your talking about a bad man, heck everyone has a bad race or two out of 12 :tipup:
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Hey, theres no picking and choosing. If we could take away the 01 daytona 500, we'd all still have Earnhardt too. But that ain't happening either.
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Anyway, I think this weekend will be a dogfight between the 16,99,9,and the5.
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the team is hendrick, scroll down to car owner :tipup:
http://www.nascar.com/drivers/dps/jjohnson00/cup/index.html (http://www.nascar.com/drivers/dps/jjohnson00/cup/index.html)
he thanks the team, not the owner :tipup:
i dont need to make excuses, the numbers speak for themselves, 4 championships, only twice in 13 years out of the top 10, and sitting 5th in points now :tipup:
Hey, theres no picking and choosing. If we could take away the 01 daytona 500, we'd all still have Earnhardt too. But that ain't happening either.
your right, but its also picking and choosing just bringing up those 3 races, isnt it ???
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Anyway, I think this weekend will be a dogfight between the 16,99,9,and the5.
i like the 9 and 5 :tipup:
although i think the 16 and 99 are just driving for pride and 11th place, so they will either start kicking butt or be really reckless for the win and take themselves or others out ???
they are 250+ points out ???
shame, i kinda like carl :tipup:
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yeah, but we're bringing those 3 up because they happened and ARE part of his average, not because "what if they did'nt happen".
We're discussing facts, not hypothetical situations.
Jimmy thanks" Rick Hendricks, and this whole Hendricks motorsports organization." He never says "Jeff Gordon"
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yeah, but we're bringing those 3 up because they happened and ARE part of his average, not because "what if they did'nt happen".
We're discussing facts, not hypothetical situations.
Jimmy thanks" Rick Hendricks, and this whole Hendricks motorsports organization." He never says "Jeff Gordon"
well then, in a whole, his average is 12.3 with 3 wins, the only one to win more than once :tipup:
thats how everyone thanks people, does robby gordon thank himself ???
does travis kvapil thank calvin wells or PPI motorsports? etc...
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Hey Arch, I actually think Gordon has a solid shot at this weekends race. :-[ I believe it will be a top 5 for sure. In fact, I bet there are 3 Hendrick cars in the Top 10. :-\ The only hole I see in that theory is engine longevity, this track is hard on engines. I am still sticking with my pick; BIFFLE!!! :thumbup_smilie: :flex: There will also be 3 Rousch cars in the top 10, guess that means that there is only room for the 2 RCR cars left. So, when you add up my numbers, Newman is only fast for one lap at best, just like every other track. :rotflol: :unsure: :pinch:
Mike :afro:
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I LOVE NASCAR :tipup:
you dont see any opf the other sports getting into it like this, the disagreements, the fact tossing, the all aound BS'ing of the sport, heck even the red sox and yankees fans arent this passionate about their teams :tipup:
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im not sure of the win? hes too into big picture racing the next 2 weeks, but if its there in front of him, he will jump on it
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Thank em for what!!! ;) ;)
:rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
i should have said, during pre race :laugh:
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Thank em for what!!! ;) ;)
OMG, that is classic. :clapping: Could be the drugs though Matt, I hear Hmeils team members are still there and have quite the side operation going. :pinch: ( this little tidbit has been brought to you by me through a conversation with a crew member for another Nextel Cup Team. this rumor is complete hearsay as far as I know, but it is fact that I heard it ) :unsure: :wacko: :whistling:
Mike :cookoo:
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im not sure of the win? hes too into big picture racing the next 2 weeks, but if its there in front of him, he will jump on it
That is straight wuss racin, ya ask me. Think Richard Petty ever raced that way?? ???
Mike
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That is straight wuss racin, ya ask me. Think Richard Petty ever raced that way?? ???
Mike
no but he never had this format, if your not in the top 10, you have no chance :tipup:
before you went balls to the wall until the end, now you have to big picture race, instead of just the leader, there are 11 guys that have to big picture race while the rest fight for the win, then once in the last 10 races you go back to racing :tipup:
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Arch,
Harvick thanks Richard, Tony thanks JD gibbs, and often mentions Joe.
All the roush boys mention Jack. Mark Martin does'nt mention Georgetta roush, because she's just a name on a paper.
Don't kid yourself Arch, all Jeffy puts into that team is money, if that... Rick Hendrick "owns" those shock specialists, engineers, and engine builders. I guarantee they're not on Gordons payroll.
Also, when Knaus got caught cheating, I did'nt see Jeff defending him. And when Chads contract was up for renewal, the talk was if Rick Hendrick was going to keep him around, not Jeffy. Jimmy's contract was renewed for another 6 years with "HENDRICKS" as well.
Look, I appreciate that you are loyal to your driver, and that you wish to keep him up on a pedestal.
Thats cool, lets give it a rest.
Where are all the salmon? I got a buddy out there today that said Oswego was still void.....
Anchorman
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I know J, just pushin your buttons, everyone else was doing it, I wanted in on the action. IMO racin for something other than the win is what put Big E in the position to get killed. :-\
Mike
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Arch,
Harvick thanks Richard, Tony thanks JD gibbs, and often mentions Joe.
All the roush boys mention Jack.
they mention them because their companies are after their names ???
jeff owns the car, its all hendrick under the hood, plus its all hendrick for the team :tipup:
jeff owns the car not the driver or crew, its kinda like a president of a company having to answer to a board, hendrick motor sports is the board :tipup:
does dale jr. thank teresa? lol, does anyone thank her :laugh:
ps, jd doesnt own the 18 or 20 ;) he has the 11 :tipup:
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OK ::) I suppose he leases his hendrick horsepower from Rick as well........
Look, Gordon is nothing more than a figurehead. He could'nt fire Jimmy, or Chad even if he wanted to.
If he wanted to dissolve the team, Rick would buy him out, and just for spite, make Jeff use Vickers old cars..... since he's going to Toyota anyways.
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OK ::) I suppose he leases his hendrick horsepower from Rick........
jeff owns the car not the driver or crew, its kinda like a president of a company having to answer to a board, hendrick motor sports is the board :tipup:
no, its still under hendrick motor sports, kinda like scott riggs, his owner is james rocco, but they are under evernham racing, ray doesnt own the car, but its still in his stable :tipup:
who are you a fan of, either a disgruntled rusty fan and cant figure a nerw driver, or a SR fan that is anti gordon because he is going to break his win record?
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I guess you could call me a penske fan, because I pull for Sam Hornish.
Jeff's got 3 more titles to get to break Sr's record.
Jeffy will just be another Daryl Waltrip with a few titles, and 80-90 wins. Wins don't mean sh*t. Look how many Mark Martin has. I still can't figure out why Mark runs the IROC series representing Nextel. He's never won a championship there.
Like I said in my above post, Jeff is just a figurehead, as far as ownership goes.
He does'nt call the shots.
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i agree he doesnt call the shots, as long as he is a driver he never will :tipup:
as long as he is constantly in the top ten you cant call him a figure head, hes right there :tipup:
a figure head is kyle petty or dale jr. just following daddy's success but not winning anything themselves :tipup:
mark martin only has 35 nextel wins in 24 years ???
stewart is 9 away in just 7 years :tipup:
gordon only needs 3 wins a year for 8 years to finish with 100 :tipup: thats if he only races 8 more years :tipup:
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Jeff's got 3 more titles to get to break Sr's record.
i dont think jeff will get there :'( i think he probably finish with 6, 5 realisticaly, but hopefully 6, if it wassnt for the chase he would already have 5, but thats just me being a whiney gordon fan bringing that up :'( plus, i dont like busch :tipup:
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If the chase always existed Sr would only have 3 . Oops, Actually Jeff needs 4 to break, 3 to tie.
But you gotta think about it. How much padding did these drivers do over the years when they knew they only had to play it safe?
If it were chase circumstances, you can bet a guy like Earnhardt woulda been bumping more, those final 10 races.
He raced like he had to to win those championships, and i'm sure he woulda raced like he had to if they were chase settings as well.
Jeff will have more success, but I don't think you'll see anyone with double-digit wins anymore.
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Jeff will have more success, but I don't think you'll see anyone with double-digit wins anymore.
you mean triple ???
if i gambled i would say jeff is going to be the last to hit 100 :tipup:
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No, I meant more than 10 wins a season. Not a career total. ;D
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No, I meant more than 10 wins a season. Not a career total. ;D
oh, i dont know, im sure somewhere down the line someone will do it ??? all the top drivers now are in their 30's, the next generation is teens-21, and doing real good, by the time they are mid-upper 20's the top guys will be pushing 40 if not over 40, and these young boys like kahne and hamlin will be pretty darn close to 10 if not more a year ??? i think itll probably be a once a decade thing but id bet itll happen :tipup:
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Arch,
Alright man, i'm out of here for a long weekend. Headed out to the big O in the AM. I'll give ya'll a full report upon my return.Enjoy the race this weekend. ;)
Anchorman
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Arch,
Alright man, i'm out of here for a long weekend. Headed out to the big O in the AM. I'll give ya'll a full report upon my return.Enjoy the race this weekend. ;)
Anchorman
good luck :tipup:
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man, i bet this thread would be dead if you guys didnt have a gordon fan to rag on :laugh:
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man, i bet this thread would be dead if you guys didnt have a gordon fan to rag on :laugh:
Probably right...thanks for being here...lol!!!
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Back the truck up Arch; If you weren't around, we would be beating up on Anchorman for being a Penske fan. :o That shop has 2 of the biggest heads in Nascar; OK, that isn't true, they all have big heads. But, I still can't stand either driver in that stable. ***censored**** is Newman going to do? It is quite obvious that the only car he could drive was the Intrepid, but Dodge isn't in the business of selling Intrepids, ;D LOL.
Mike ;)
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im kinda sad :'( i gotta get up at 3am to drive up to lake ontario for some salmon fishing, i dont think ill be up fort he whole race ??? hopefully i dont miss a great finish, although im sure i can catch it on sportscenter, but it wont be the same :tipup: but i hope you guys get to see a great race :tipup:
GO 24
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im kinda sad :'( i gotta get up at 3am to drive up to lake ontario for some salmon fishing, i dont think ill be up fort he whole race ??? hopefully i dont miss a great finish, although im sure i can catch it on sportscenter, but it wont be the same :tipup: but i hope you guys get to see a great race :tipup:
GO 24
Who drives the GO 24 car ??? ??? ;D :whistling:
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I think its some has been ;D
has been kicking arse so far in the race, has been the all time lap leader, has been the record holder for the race in california, has been the all time winner at this track in california, has been the only multi winner at this track, oh never mind, he still is all those things :tipup: wow, i hope he keeps up those lap times, hell be the only driver on the lead lap :tipup: scary thing for all you anti gordon fans is, that his car is set up for night time :o if hes this fast in the sun LOOK OUT :tipup:
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I couldn't help myself arch ::)
lol, i wouldn't know what to do if you guys didn't talk Gordon trash :laugh:
i wouldn't be able to have a comeback, it would make me speechless for the first time :laugh:
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lol, i wouldn't know what to do if you guys didn't talk Gordon trash :laugh:
i wouldn't be able to have a comeback, it would make me speechless for the first time :laugh:
and a caution for debris wipes out flame boys lead.......
Arch,,,,I'll be surprised if his car is set up that well for night racing.....my guess is that he chokes and pukes....
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Arch,,,,I'll be surprised if his car is set up that well for night racing.....my guess is that he chokes and pukes....
were talking about Gordon not Busch :laugh:
yeah he got pushed back, but hes still the fastest and making his way back up front, also remember he is big picture racing this week, he wants to guarantee a spot in the chase tonight so he doesn't have to rely on Richmond :tipup:
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were talking about Gordon not Busch :laugh:
yeah he got pushed back, but hes still the fastest and making his way back up front, also remember he is big picture racing this week, he wants to guarantee a spot in the chase tonight so he doesn't have to rely on Richmond :tipup:
Gordon, Busch (either) ...whats the difference?
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Gordon, Busch (either) ...whats the difference?
one driver made his number famous, the other took a number from a guy that made it famous :laugh:
well fellas, I'm off to bed, gotta get up at 3am to get me some salmon :tipup:
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one driver made his number famous, the other took a number from a guy that made it famous :laugh:
well fellas, I'm off to bed, gotta get up at 3am to get me some salmon :tipup:
Good luck tomorrow....may the first thing you read about is the fact Jeffie blew his motor and dropped out of contention..otherwise...Tight lines on the fishing....
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may the first thing you read about is the fact Jeffie blew his motor and dropped out of contention
thats the only thing the rest of the field can hope for :laugh:
if gordon doesnt win the championship, im pulling for denny, i would love to see a rookie take it all :tipup:
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uh oh, gordon just took 2nd and is alot quicker than the leader, and everyone else on the track :o
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congrats kahne :clapping:
back to 5th, not bad for gordon, plus now he is 4th in points :tipup:
i never went to bed until 12am :cookoo: but it was a good race and worth the lack of sleep :tipup:
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Great race for Kahne. Looks like his crew chief needs to be highly pressured to get his act together for the chase. ::) Kahne could actually put the boot to Martin or Burton next week. HMMMM, lets think, who loves to race at Richmond? ding ding ding Kasey Kahne!!! :P Gordon looked strong when I went to bed, too bad for the rainbow princesses. ;D (still a good finish though) :pinch: Biffle really disappointed me, ***censored****, I squandered a 6th pick on that. :'( My hat is also off the Dale Jr, that program has really turned around. He has had quality finishes on the tracks he is historically bad at. AND, did anyone notice that Jarrett finished 10th, things that make you go hmmmm? ??? Kenseth and Johnson showed why they are kicking everyones arse! I hope the racing at Richmond is as good as the race for the chase on Saturday, WOW is that tight. Good Luck Jeff Burton. Sorry Kasey, but I am real sour on Evernham, did anyone see who was standing next to him during the national anthem? :sick: :cookoo:
Mike :afro:
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did anyone see who was standing next to him during the national anthem?
.... ??? Bush? ??? Grump ;D
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.... ??? Bush? ??? Grump ;D
Good one Grump :w00t: :clapping:
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.... ??? Bush? ??? Grump ;D
His current squeeze, Erin Crocker!! :-* Jeremy Mayfields nemises. :-\
Mike
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His current squeeze, Erin Crocker!! :-* Jeremy Mayfields nemises. :-\
Mike
the reason for his early departure :laugh:
yeah, gordon had a great car, easily fastest all night, just a screw up in the pits, the didnt tighten his lug nuts ??? so he had to come back in and start at the back of the field and fight his way back, im happy with fifth considering :tipup:
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How about the 41 car going for the victory??? With just a little more fuel he might have got his first win..
Back to Gordon...he had to pit twice under caution and ended up back in 23 or so..then he got right back up there to the front....If he didn't have to do that he might have won..
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Yeah, it's another woulda,coulda,shoulda scenario for the 24 car.
Hey Arch, I told ya Kasey was gonna do it!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
Now only 1 question remains, and that is who won't make the chase, Burton, or Martin?
I guarantee Earnhardt, Hamlin, and Kahne in the top 10 this week.
I think Mark Martin will miss out, by a slim margin, just like he has most of his career.
Anchorman
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Anyway, I think this weekend will be a dogfight between the 16,99,9,and the5.
Hey Arch, I told ya Kasey was gonna do it!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
do i get 4 pics this week also? then if one of them wins can i say told you so ???
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Gordon is just as bad a whiner as Stewart, when things don't go his way. He needs to be punted once in awhile for good measure, even if it's just "out of the blue." He may not have whined this weekend, but he'll make up for it somewhere.
He's becoming a bitter shrew, because he's no longer the "go-to" man at Hendricks.
I'll take Kasey this weekend, and he'll follow it up with a top 5 at Richmond, and be the only dodge in the chase.(At Mark Martins expense.) ;D
Anchorman
I was referring to this one Arch, since we're picking the posts we want to quote. I threw the other drivers in there as frontrunners, but was wrong on that portion.
Anchorman
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oh, hell i didnt go back 6 pages to find that ???
not to wrong, 5 and 99 had good finishes, they just didnt battle in the front to much :tipup:
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Hey Arch,
Wouldn't it be really sweet is to see Kenseth, who is already locked into the chase, take out Gordon at Richmond, knocking him out of the chase, for payback on the Chicago deal.I'd razz you for a month over that. ;)
Remember Jeffy kinda cut him off at California too. It could be a good night at Richmond.
Anchorman
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Hey Arch,
Wouldn't it be really sweet is to see Kenseth, who is already locked into the chase, take out Gordon at Richmond, knocking him out of the chase, for payback on the Chicago deal.I'd razz you for a month over that. ;)
Remember Jeffy kinda cut him off at California too. It could be a good night at Richmond.
Anchorman
yeah, but you obviosly dont remember why gordon spun him out or the fact that he didnt cut him off at california, kenseth got loose from another driver when jeff was coming up the track :tipup: i dont think kenseth and gordon will be near each other at all, anytime they get close the magnifying glasses go full strength and neither want that going into the chase, i mean really just because your drivers cant race, do you really feel better ribbing on the best modern driver in nascar ???
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What do you mean my drivers can't race? Hornish is going to win the IRL championship. More than I can say for your boy.
He was bellyaching over his own team mate Sunday.
Anchorman
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In all fairness, Jeff got the best history of all ACTIVE drivers, however, if the slate got wiped clean today, he's not the best driver on the field anymore.
He's done more than any, in the past, but there are a handfull of drivers that outperform him every week.
Anchorman
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What do you mean my drivers can't race? Hornish is going to win the IRL championship. More than I can say for your boy.
He was bellyaching over his own team mate Sunday.
Anchorman
how was he bellyaching, kyle was whining during the race and jeff just responded by saying, im only racing him how he races others, when he is running bad teamates should cut slack ,and when hes running good he has no teammates, kyle is just like how kurt was, when hes in the car he doesnt care about others, hes a good driver but hes going to have alot of enemies through the years :tipup:
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In all fairness, Jeff got the best history of all ACTIVE drivers, however, if the slate got wiped clean today, he's not the best driver on the field anymore.
He's done more than any, in the past, but there are a handfull of drivers that outperform him every week.
Anchorman
yup, there are 3 right now ahead of him :tipup:
but lets see at the end of the chase :tipup:
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Yeah, but then you'll spend the entire off-season making excuses for him. ;D
Theres no winning with you Gordon fans.
You better worry about this weekend, before you start looking at the chase. Richmond has not been good to him.
Anchorman
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Gordon fans dont need to win, Jeff does it all for us :tipup:
its the Gordon haters that cant win, Gordon fans have a comback for everything, unless your a king fan, but the king doesnt race anymore :tipup:
i didnt make excuses last year when he didnt make the chase, he had a horrible year, according to the new chase rules he deserved 11th place, no excuse needed, perform or watch the chase from the outside, and yes Richmond has not been good to him but all he will need is about a 35 or so place finish to be locked in :tipup:
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40th in the spring race
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40th in the spring race
oh, im sure there going to make sure his engine doesnt go this time around :tipup:
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Had an accident last fall. Spanked the wall, and finished 38th or so. :o :o
To be specific, 30th last spring 39 last fall, and 40th this past spring.
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Had an accident last fall. Spanked the wall, and finished 38th or so. :o :o
there no doubting he has a gremlin problem in richmond, but there are a few other tracks he had bad luck on recently and pulled out top 5's, even won a race on one of the 3 he hasnt won on yet :tipup: things have turned around ever since he announced his engagement, he was in a slump in the post divorce years, well a slump in jeff gordon standards, but now hes happy again, time to regain the top all alone :tipup:
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well this week is a tough one, a few guys racing to get in or stay in the chase, will they go for it all or lay back and play big picture? i believe harvick has to finish 42nd or better or 43 if he leads a lap to clinch, and gordon just has to have 43 more points than any of the other drivers trying to get in to clinch, kahne is hot, and this is where he got his first win, JR is the defending winner on the track and kurt the defending winner of this race :tipup: hmmm will one of the top 3 go for it all with nothing to loose, or will all the drivers playing big picture leave the door open for someone else ???
im going out on a limb, im going with vickers this week, hes been on the pole here before, and has the qualifying record, so he can get around the track, and with everyone going for the chase, i think his problems in traffic wont be too much an issue, its a bit of a stretch but im going with vickers to get his first win and last win with hendrick, itll be a good send off for the younster going into toyota :tipup:
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man kurt busch, ryan newman, and now riggs, are trying to jinx these drivers by picking them ??? i hope you dont go to vegas much :laugh: who are you going with for the first race of the chase? jamie mcmurray :laugh:
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ill pm you my address just send me the $10 and make your brother buy drinks this weekend :laugh:
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my brother is heading across the altantic on a ship. Hard to buy drinks. I guess placing a bet is no prob.
just dont put his money on your bet :laugh:
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He put 10 bucks on Kenseth 2 weeks ago @ 11-1 odds. (and won) He had 110 on the books. He asked me if i wanted to bet on the race. I really did not wanna bet on Cali. I did it for the Halibut.
well if i picked busch, newman, and riggs, i wouldnt bet either :laugh:
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Just a hunch, but I think Denny Hamlin is going to wreck out this weekend. His head should be telling him to get in the chase, but his heart is screaming to win the hometown race. It's gonna get him in trouble.
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i dont know, hes a young kid, but hes got his head on pretty straight :-\
your right though, if that idea is in his head he will screw up :tipup:
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Ought to be a good race at any rate.
The guy on the highside has the advantage. It's one of the few tracks like that.
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well guys heres what needs to happen this weekend :tipup:
Chase Numbers (http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/09/07/doping.the.chase/index.html)
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I have been lurking, but not contributing. I guess I really can't even make a speculative guess. If I have to be pinned to one guy, it's JR. This guy has been quietly solid all year. He had a couple stumbles, but bounced back on tracks he is notoriously bad. I think this is the race that Jr makes a statement. Of course, what I think doesn't really add up to much, Arch has already brought that to everyones attention. ;) ;D ;D ;)
Mike :afro:
PS, I hope Evernhams team doesn't make the Chase. Nothing against Kahne, I really like what he does on and off the track. I just don't like what happened to Mayfield. This is just the oppinion I have formed based on the information I have heard and read. :-\
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yeah mike, screw JR :tipup: the only difference this year and last is up on the pit box, if it wasnt for those ballsy calls JR. wouldnt be near the top 10, his driving is suspect, its the calls and risks the talented JR makes in his calls that has little E where he is, i would root for his brother before him :tipup:
here mike, youll like this ;D
Short Tracks (http://www.nascar.com/2006/games/09/07/fantasy.preview.rich/index.html)
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yeah mike, screw JR :tipup: the only difference this year and last is up on the pit box, if it wasnt for those ballsy calls JR. wouldnt be near the top 10, his driving is suspect, its the calls and risks the talented JR makes in his calls that has little E where he is, i would root for his brother before him :tipup:
here mike, youll like this ;D
Short Tracks (http://www.nascar.com/2006/games/09/07/fantasy.preview.rich/index.html)
Hey J, you're up on the soap box like I get. ;) Nascar is a team sport, PERIOD. How has Jeff's career been since Ray? ??? ( With Ray, Jeff had a 3 year span with 33 wins and 2 championchips. Only 24 wins after Ray. ) How do you think Jimmie would be w/o Chad. I am not talking about Jr's ability or inability, I am talking about the crew chief position you brought up. Jr is not a Gordon caliber driver, but Jr has definitely established himself as a top caliber driver. In 6 seasons as a driver, he has been in the top 10 in points in 3 of them. I think it's safe to qualify that; 5 of those seasons following the death of his father. JG was in the top 10 5 of his 6 first seasons with 2 championchips; That is quite stellar and extraordinary, not the norm; See Matt Kenseth for comparison. :P
Mike :afro:
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OK J, I clicked the link. You don't have to put those links up for me, I check Nascar.com twice a day. 8) My memory doesn't always serve me, but I am an avid fan. BTW, that was a stupid article, they basically took no position. Did they bring up Stremme and McMurray just to give them some print?? ???
AND, I had to do a lot of research in my previous post. I used Nascar.com and the Preview and Press guide for all stats. Blanket statements with no factual basis are so much easier to post. ;D
Mike :afro:
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gordon has only been out of the top 10 twice in his career, his rookie year 14th and last year 11th, i know its a broken record, but he would be in the top 10 last year without the chase and would have another championship without the chase, not as great as his first 10 or so years, but hes still up there :tipup: JR has done nothing in my eyes, he has talent and deserves to be in the nextel series, but the only reason he has a following is bacause of his name, sad thing is most people dont even know who kerry is, much less its dales oldest son :tipup: honestly, i think the racing days have gone soft, i never seen majority of the great old time drivers who got this sport where it is today, but man, i would have loved to see them, i understand you have to be safer nowadays with the speeds and light cars, but it seems more about money than racing anymore :tipup: im coming around to the chase, but im still not a fan, i guess everyother sport has a playoff where after the regular season you have a playoff where everyone is equal :tipup: in one way its a double end of the season, but it also causes drivers to just get by until the end, no more hard racing to the finish every week by the drivers we want to see battling each other ???
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OK J, I clicked the link. You don't have to put those links up for me, I check Nascar.com twice a day. 8) My memory doesn't always serve me, but I am an avid fan. BTW, that was a stupid article, they basically took no position. Did they bring up Stremme and McMurray just to give them some print?? ???
AND, I had to do a lot of research in my previous post. I used Nascar.com and the Preview and Press guide for all stats. Blanket statements with no factual basis are so much easier to post. ;D
Mike :afro:
lol, i put it up because they have jeff at the top for the past 3 years at short tracks, even with his horrble times at richmond, i know how much you love jeff ;D
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Actaully, I think Kelley is the best Earnhardt driver out there right now. ;D
Mike
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DEI as a racing team focused on plate tracks, as a mainstay, and thats where they did well. Their intermediate track program was null, or sucked, at the least. They've since turned their situation around, and it seems that junior has the talent to take advantage of it.
He shows great talent, where the equipment allows him to.
As his equipment gets better, his confidence grows at previously terrible tracks.
I believe we hav'nt seen the best of JR yet. With his well rounded performances this year, I think he's a solid contender for this championship. 1.5's don't bother him anymore.
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his turnaround this year? like i said whats been the constant when he was doing good? hes had the same equipment last year as this? hmmm, what was missing ??? oh yeah, the real talented JR. look at his good finishes this year, most were due to calls in the pits, or when tony JR makes the call on the changes, look at his bad finishes, he always says, yeah well i overruled tony JR on a call and i messed up it was my fault, either as to how many tires or the changes to the car, you would think that JR would start listening, if he put all the unfounded confidence he has in himself into his cousin he probably would win a championship, but until he realizes that the talent in DEI isnt him he wont win anything :tipup:
how many mediocre drivers out there could be championship contenders with JR's equipment and technology?
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I'm going to go with Rusty this week ah the good ole days :'(
I remember watching a race at Richmond or Martinsville with Rusty and Big E racing side by side lap after lap and they would stick there hand out the window and wave at each other ;D
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Hey Arch,
How do you know that he has the same equipment as last year? How do you know they havn't been building new cars? They've already admitted that they're making gains in the engine department.They have not been dominating plate races lately, because they have moved their focus to other types of races. It is paying off. The kid can drive a car, and it's paying off now that he's got the right cars/set-ups under him.
Maybe Tony Eury Jr should go to Hendricks, and prop up Jeff, so he can coast to a Championship again, because we all know jeff won't get there on his driving abilities alone either.
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Hey Arch,
How do you know that he has the same equipment as last year? How do you know they havn't been building new cars? They've already admitted that they're making gains in the engine department.They have not been dominating plate races lately, because they have moved their focus to other types of races. It is paying off. The kid can drive a car, and it's paying off now that he's got the right cars/set-ups under him.
Maybe Tony Eury Jr should go to Hendricks, and prop up Jeff, so he can coast to a Championship again, because we all know jeff won't get there on his driving abilities alone either.
hey jeff is right there with a rookie crew chief :tipup:
no doubt JR is a good driver, but if he listened to tony JR and got his pride out of his but, he would be a great driver, same equipment, im not sure, lets see, my wife uncle works for DEI ??? ill ask ;) of course its not the same exact equipment, no one uses the same stuff year after year, everyone makes changes too keep up with the times, tracks, and other racers, but look at his year last year with the same people minus 1 ??? look at him the year before and this year ??? hmmmm, whats the constant? JR was behind the wheel, same technology and "equipment" oh yeah, tony JR was missing last year :tipup:
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hey jeff is right there with a rookie crew chief :tipup:
no doubt JR is a good driver, but if he listened to tony JR and got his pride out of his but, he would be a great driver, same equipment, im not sure, lets see, my wife uncle works for DEI ??? ill ask ;) of course its not the same exact equipment, no one uses the same stuff year after year, everyone makes changes too keep up with the times, tracks, and other racers, but look at his year last year with the same people minus 1 ??? look at him the year before and this year ??? hmmmm, whats the constant? JR was behind the wheel, same technology and "equipment" oh yeah, tony JR was missing last year :tipup:
Unless all the reports from last year were wrong, everything was different last year. ??? At the Daytona 500, JR was driving Michaels equiptment for Michaels crew. Michael was driving JR's equiptment for JR's crew. Don't you guys remember the great experiment? ??? I believe a big reason Michael left DEI is the fact that he would not retain Yury as his crew chief. Michael did better than ever driving JR's stuff, (which was still middle of the road) but JR couldn't do crap with MIchaels stuff; see Martin Truex Jr's results for this year. :-\ I believe DEI as a whole needs to improve, but I am just some schmuck sittin at home spewing my opinions. :sick:
Mike :wacko: :afro:
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Here's something interesting. M Martin is retiring this year as we all know, but on Nascar yesterday, there is a report that Roush is interested in seeing Martin buy a team, and Yates is at the top of the list...Maybe this is why Robbie Gordon didn't get the chance. Since Yates and Roush are in with each other anyway, and the "4 car rule" year fast approaching, then if MM was to be a partner with RYR, that would take care of Roush's 5 car stable, and maybe put RYR or MMR in the spotlight...that would theoretically give Roush/Yates/MM a what, 7 car stable??
Yates is also looking at MM , Rudd or Burton driving the 88 car next year......
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I don't think we have heard the last of a Yates, R Gordon partnership. Initially it's more beneficial to RG, but in the long run, I think it would be a great marriage. The only problem I really see with it is Robby losing some control, I believe he is a control freak. Robby is a legitimate driver who creates excitement every time he is on the track. He takes me back to Jimmy spencer. Robby really does some bonehead moves, LMAO. That guy will bite the hand that feeds if he thinks it will get him even remotely close to a win. Anyway, back to Martin. Mark will only drive 10-12 races next year. I don't think that is something that Yates wants to do. 2 drivers is something for the Busch ranks. If Yates wants solid sponsorship, they need a solid, fulltime driver. I still believe that Ward Burton is a solid top 20 driver. Shoot, with good equipment and the chase format, he could be a chase sontender, but that is a long shot.
Mike
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Unless all the reports from last year were wrong, everything was different last year. ??? At the Daytona 500, JR was driving Michaels equiptment for Michaels crew. Michael was driving JR's equiptment for JR's crew. Don't you guys remember the great experiment? ???
that was only for part of the year, and it wasnt equipment change, just crews :tipup:
JR wassnt happy with tony JR, so they made a switch, it wasnt an experimaent, JR got rid of tony JR :tipup:
he realized his head was up his arse without his cousin and they swtched back at the end of the year :tipup:
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that was only for part of the year, and it wasnt equipment change, just crews :tipup:
JR wassnt happy with tony JR, so they made a switch, it wasnt an experimaent, JR got rid of tony JR :tipup:
he realized his head was up his arse without his cousin and they swtched back at the end of the year :tipup:
Arch.,,I remember from last year that all of Mikeys cars went to Jr and Jr's cars went to mikey...and I noticed Mikey performed better with Jr's equipment..one of the announcers at a race made mention of this fact as well, IF I remember correctly.
There's no doubt Jr was getting the better equipment coming out of the shop, it only stands to reason. I'm not a big Jr fan, but after his "wake up" call last year, he may be settling down and not realizing that everybody else is to blame for his problems on the track. He's a talented young kid, and I'm sure with a couple more years experience he'll do well, but he'll never be the caliber of his father.
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i wasnt sure about the cars ??? i thought just crews ??? your most likely right though, im kinda starting to remember that as well :tipup:
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I am not a huge Jr fan either, but I do have a TON of respect for the guy. Basically, Jr went over to Michaels shop and Michael went over to Jr's shop and they went from there. That obviously didn't work and they went back towards the last third of the year. I have heard that Jr can't stand Teresa, but that is complete rumor and hearsay. I jwould have to think that the debacle from last year wasn't really too much to do with Jr, It's not his company, it's Teresa's. But, that is really just specualtion and heresay. The whole switch thing is fact though.
Mike
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??? JR said he and tony JR couldnt get along and need to be seperated for the better of DEI, it was all JR's doing, they had a press conference about it, and JR even appologized for the screw up after the season, teresa even made him go to tony JR personally and ask if he would come back and work for JR :tipup: that much i know, it was all over the media the whole time, and when you say it didnt work out, what did you mean ??? it was going good for waltrip, didnt work out too well for JR though, i think thats what led to michaels departure for good, he finally had things going positive and JR was going the other way, JR wanted his toys backand got them :tipup:
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??? JR said he and tony JR couldnt get along and need to be seperated for the better of DEI, it was all JR's doing, they had a press conference about it, and JR even appologized for the screw up after the season, teresa even made him go to tony JR personally and ask if he would come back and work for JR :tipup: that much i know, it was all over the media the whole time, and when you say it didnt work out, what did you mean ??? it was going good for waltrip, didnt work out too well for JR though, i think thats what led to michaels departure for good, he finally had things going positive and JR was going the other way, JR wanted his toys backand got them :tipup:
Agreed Arch..Mikey was having a far better year,,and wasn't it last year that Jr punted Mikey when they were the only two cars near each other?? Jr got a very rude awakening last year, deservedly so because in the long term it taught him some humility and how to be a better person and driver. He was too big on himself in the previous years just because his last name started with an "E"
I think Jr realized how good he had it before and squandered it away with the bickering...and the little bit of humble pie he had to eat by asking Tony if he'd come back will pay off for him in years to come....
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exactly my point, when he listens to tony JR, he wins with a great finish, when he wants it his way, his tires blow or he just plain old recks or cant figure out why his car isnt right and cant keep up ???
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HOLY SWEET BAJESUS :o man i can finally breath, the richmond curse continues for gordon, but now thats behind and he is in the chase, WHEW :clapping: :clapping:
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Yeah,,and my man Martin is in also...I'm surprised the 24 and 48 camps ran so poorly this evening when the 5 car did so well..maybe he's the only one getting the "A" list cars and the older guys are getting the hand me downs.....more tomorrow as I know Arch will have something to say over this.......Esox
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glad to see JB in the chase along with Denny, Kasey and Mark.....sat back watching the last 50 laps hoping the 24 would blow up and let a better racer into the chase....(Tony Stewart)....at least he showed alot of class at the end of the race, congratulating the group that made it in....the 24 car is going to take a whuppin' over the next 10 races.......they certainly didnt deserve to make it in running 2 laps down.....Grump ;D
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they certainly didnt deserve to make it in running 2 laps down.....Grump ;D
thats the advantage of racing well in the last 25 races :tipup: where does jeff race bad in these last 10 races?
3 wins in NH
3 wins in dover
2 wins in kansas
4 wins in talladega
3 wins at lowes
7 wins at martinsville (including both races last year)
4 wins in atlanta
0 in texas, phoenix, and miami, the only 3 he hasnt won at (but he won at a track he hasnt won at before earlier this year)
and he finished 14th last year at texas, 3rd in phoenix, and 9th in miami, i think its looking good for mr. gordon :tipup:
26 wins combined out of the last 7 of 10 races :tipup:
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Yeah,,and my man Martin is in also...I'm surprised the 24 and 48 camps ran so poorly this evening when the 5 car did so well..maybe he's the only one getting the "A" list cars and the older guys are getting the hand me downs.....more tomorrow as I know Arch will have something to say over this.......Esox
the 48 just had bad luck tonight, as we all seen, the 25 and 24 were just set up backwards or something :laugh: no biggie, gordon has a curse at richmond the past 4 races, but hes in the chase :tipup:
i am also glad mark got in :clapping:
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thats the advantage of racing well in the last 25 races :tipup: where does jeff race bad in these last 10 races?
3 wins in NH
3 wins in dover
2 wins in kansas
4 wins in talladega
3 wins at lowes
7 wins at martinsville (including both races last year)
4 wins in atlanta
0 in texas, phoenix, and miami, the only 3 he hasnt won at (but he won at a track he hasnt won at before earlier this year)
and he finished 14th last year at texas, 3rd in phoenix, and 9th in miami, i think its looking good for mr. gordon :tipup:
26 wins combined out of the last 7 of 10 races :tipup:
He has won at all those tracks but just takes 1 accident to get caught in or something breaks and WAM down points big time ;)
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Oh, now Richmond is just a curse for Jeff.. ::)...What next........... How about Jeff s*cks at Richmond??? ;)
Musta been bad calls by his crew chief. Yeah, thats gotta be it..........
Jimmy did what he always does, and thats start the long slide in the post season.
Too bad for Tony. He had a truly bad car.
And Jr had a good excuse as well.
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Oh, now Richmond is just a curse for Jeff.. ::)...What next........... How about Jeff s*cks at Richmond??? ;)
Musta been bad calls by his crew chief. Yeah, thats gotta be it..........
Jimmy did what he always does, and thats start the long slide in the post season.
Too bad for Tony. He had a truly bad car.
And Jr had a good excuse as well.
Now I watched the post race interview last night and heard Jeffie say "they'd have to go to the 5 shops notes because they ran real well tonight". Now here you've got 2 of the supposed "premier" drivers in Nascar absolutely SUCKING in the race, that being JJ and flame boy....JJ was locked in securely, but flamie was far from having a lock in...and here the rookie is running the most laps in the lead, and generally smoking the rest of the Hendricks cars all night, and they never thought to confer on chassis set ups before or during the race?? I think there are more problems in the Hendricks camp than one is led to believe....and how many times have we seen this year where Busch runs in the front and the rest of the Hendricks teams struggle??
Hats off to Tony, he was very political in his interview last night, seeing as they saw fit to corral him before he even got out of the car...
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I would like too see one of the Childress cars take the title 8)
I don't want to see one of the two thats light in the loafers from Hendrick take the title ;)
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Oh, now Richmond is just a curse for Jeff.. ::)...What next........... How about Jeff s*cks at Richmond??? ;)
Musta been bad calls by his crew chief. Yeah, thats gotta be it..........
Jimmy did what he always does, and thats start the long slide in the post season.
Too bad for Tony. He had a truly bad car.
And Jr had a good excuse as well.
yes, he sucks at richmond, and im not sure of the calls, the didnt go to his radio too much, so i dont know who mad the calls, but i would say it was collective, because jeff sucked last year with a crew chief that was quiting and then a crew chief who was just starting, so last year c=is kinda understood, but this year who knows, earlier was just bad luck, he was up front until his engine went, and this time he just slowly went backwards, but who cares, he is in the chase, over the past 10 races before richmond jeff has the most points, which gave him the cushion to suck at richmond :tipup: it is too bad for tony, i like him as a driver, yeah you cant blame JR for his race, he had almost no rear brakes, he is really lucky to finish :tipup:
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esox, i disagree that jimmy sucked last night, he was blocked in his pits twice, spun twice and spun someone else and still had a decent finish considering, i think he was just on cruise control all night :tipup:
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esox, i disagree that jimmy sucked last night, he was blocked in his pits twice, spun twice and spun someone else and still had a decent finish considering, i think he was just on cruise control all night :tipup:
Yeah..you are right..I didn't catch any of the first laps of the race where he got spun...I didn't get to start watching until after he was running back in the far 20's...my bust.....
I just enjoy seeing the 24 and 48 in the back...or better still DNF'ers...Esox
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No Arch,
JR WASN"T lucky to finish, he is just THAT good. Look at his top 5 at Martinsville earlier this year. With no front-end on his car. I guess he lucked out there too, right??????
Looks like Schumacher might get title #8 , and maybe Hornish will lock it up today as well @ Chicago.
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no front end is a little different than no brakes :tipup:
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Oh yeah...as much as I'm not a big Harvick fan..I was really glad to see him snatch the victory away from shrub on the last lap last night...
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Oh yeah...as much as I'm not a big Harvick fan..I was really glad to see him snatch the victory away from shrub on the last lap last night...
that was pretty sweet :tipup: can you belive 3 weeks in a row that the guy that won the busch series won the next night in the nextel series, pretty sweet, also a good argument for owners to let the drivers run both series, although i am kinda on the fence for that subject, im one way its good practice for the next day, yet on the other hand, let the guys who havnt earned there way to the big show have a chance at a championship in the busch series :tipup:
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no front end is a little different than no brakes :tipup:
It all takes alot of talent to stay out of trouble, especially at those specific tracks.
So really, theres no difference.
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It all takes alot of talent to stay out of trouble, especially at those specific tracks.
So really, theres no difference.
you constantly contradict what you say, if he stayed out of trouble, why did he have no front end ??? you can drive a short track without aero, you cant without brakes, come with a real fact instead of your imagination and we will talk ;) :tipup:
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If you recall, he was spun by newman. FACTBOY.
You can drive any track without a frontend,yes, but try bringing it home for a top 5.
I can't wait for Homestead, to hear the rest of your excuses.
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If you recall, he was spun by newman. FACTBOY.
You can drive any track without a frontend,yes, but try bringing it home for a top 5.
I can't wait for Homestead, to hear the rest of your excuses.
who said anything about anyone being spun IMAGINATIONBOY :tipup: you said it takes alot of talent to stay out of trouble? well, loosing yuor front end is getting in trouble, come on now, your arguing on my side and dont even know it :laugh:
NO, you cant run anytrack without a front end, most tracks you would barley keep minimum speed on, but a short track you dont need much aero, your in the turn pretty much constantly, a top 5 without a front is not a big deal at a short track, do you watch or know anything about races or just come in here to argue ??? cause its kinda like im in a battle of wits with an unarmed person :laugh:
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You sure are being pathetic. Who cares if your boy Jeffy outscored everybody else in the past 10 races. That and $1.40 will get you a cup of coffee at the store.
Theres 7 people infront of him that have outscored him all year long.
Whether you choose to live in dupont denial, or not, JR has alot of talent, and i'm not even a JR fan. You seem to whine as much as Jeffy after losing to the other gordon. You Gordon fans just hate to see your boy overshadowed by the name "Earnhardt". You'd think after 14 years, you'd be used to it. Jeff is, so whats your excuse?
Anchorman
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***censored**** are you talking about ??? you just babble on and on without a point ??? who argued that jeff doesnt have 7 other people in front of him ??? who is dupont denial about anything ??? jeff is in the chase, JR cant do crap without his cousin ??? gordon overshadowed by the name ernhardt ??? how, he is just one win away from SR in half the time ??? when in the past 14 years has an ernhardt overshadowed gordon?
dude, seriously make a point or move along :tipup: your imagination is not fact, no matter how hard you squint your eyes and wish :tipup: go watch your indy cars and start a thread about them, you obviously just watch sportscenter or SPEED to get your NASCAR knowledge :tipup:
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NO, you cant run anytrack without a front end
...and which track would that be Arch? :D seem to recall Biffle with a patched up front end at Daytona with tape flying all over the place staying in the lead draft...granted, he couldnt move out and pass anybody, but he hung onto the car.....Talladega....another place that cars get torn up alot....ever watch them come back out and run laps?....they may not finish the race, but they certainly keep up with minimum speed mandated by Nascar.....Grump
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grump? are you saying you can run any track without a front end? and a taped up or patched front end is different than NO front end :-\ yeah there are tracks where other things are more important than areo, AS I SAID, but when your in the draft its a different story, get bumped out of line and your toast, more so than a normal car, unless your gordon who can win without help and drive away by himself ;) areo is important, there are some tracks, such as short tracks, and road courses where its not as important, but the majority will put you at or below minimum speed without a front end :tipup:
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Wow, I guess I have been away for a bit. :P
but when your in the draft its a different story, get bumped out of line and your toast, more so than a normal car, unless your gordon who can win without help and drive away by himself ;)
How many seconds was Jr out front of the field at the last race at Datona? I think it was 5 seconds, BY HIMSELF! :o
ANYHOO. I am very impressed by the RCR resurgance, this could be a solid weekend for all 3 of them boys.
Early on, it looks like the Harvick and Gordon show, but we all know how the dynamics change throughout the race. I hated to do it, but I picked Shrub to win the race. :-[ I guess you could say I picked youth and enthusiasm over age and treachery. Harvick was picked first and Kenseth was picked second, ( I have never picked Jeff Gordon in fantasy and I never will). BTW, Gordon was picked 14th. :o
Mike
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I actually believe this is a very hard race to pick. My gut tells me that it will be either JJ or Burton in victory lane. It will be interesting to see how Schrub, McMuarray, and Biffle race. They are all stellar Dover racers.
Mike
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I actually believe this is a very hard race to pick. My gut tells me that it will be either JJ or Burton in victory lane. It will be interesting to see how Schrub, McMuarray, and Biffle race. They are all stellar Dover racers.
Mike
i think johnson and lil' Busch have to come up big, or the last 8 races will be practice for next year :tipup:
i just cant see Burton doing anything, they need to work on the second half of the race for his car ??? it seems week after week he is in the top 5 all race, then the last 1-200 laps, he falls back, still good top 10-15 finishes, but they need to do something? maybe they are over compensating for the changes in the track, i don't know ??? he is a good driver, but they need to figure something out :tipup:
Newman won 3 of the last 6 at Dover and Johnson won 3 of the last 9, Gordon has 4 wins, but not since '01 :-\ as i look through the stats here, i see alot of wins 2 in a row and 3 out of 4 race winners, so Kenseth won the June race, and Johnson won this race last year ???
last year Gordon got in an accident and finished in 37th :'( but so did Kenseth and JR (35th and 31st)
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last year Gordon got in an accident and finished in 37th :'( but so did Kenseth and JR (35th and 31st)
Didn't he get wrecked by Stewart, or was that the Spring race. Ok, I remember, that was the spring race.
Mike
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Didn't he get wrecked by Stewart, or was that the Spring race. Ok, I remember, that was the spring race.
Mike
i dont remember last year? but Gordon finished 12th in the spring :tipup:
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does anyone know what this is about? i didnt see the interview ???
http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/09/19/jburton_rcr_speed/index.html (http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/09/19/jburton_rcr_speed/index.html)
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I did not see the interview either, I did read that article. They don't make the news, they just report it. :sick: It was prolly an offhand remark because of Berriers sketchy past. :pinch: Dillweed, I mean Dillner just thought that he could make it news. :cookoo:
Mike :blink:
BTW, I went with Burton this week. 4th in the spring and I couldn't pick Harvick or Kenseth.
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i just didnt know if anyone heard any truth of it or anything, most likely like you said, its just someone trying to get headlines ??? but boy if its true, someone is in some deep :tipup:
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JEFF BURTON :o wow, how long has it been ???
:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: CONGRATS TO THE 31 :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
im glad to see him in victory lane for the first time in forever :thumbup_smilie:
did i mention gordon is in 2nd and only 6 points out of 2nd ;) ;D
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BTW, I went with Burton this week. 4th in the spring and I couldn't pick Harvick or Kenseth.
I have to toot my own horn on this call. I have been quietly pulling for Burton all year. I have always viewed him as an excellent driver and a Class Act. This is a great win in a great year for him. :clapping: :thumbup_smilie: This pick also got me good points in Fantasy and $35 towards my fantasy dues. (costs $180 for the year, $5 a week)
did i mention gordon is in 2nd and only 6 points out of 2nd ;) ;D
Get your story straight FACTBOY!!!! Gordon jumped 2 to 2nd, 6 points out of 1st. :rotflol: :wacko: :police:
Mike
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Get your story straight FACTBOY!!!! Gordon jumped 2 to 2nd, 6 points out of 1st. :rotflol: :wacko: :police:
Mike
lol, you know what i meant, 6 points out of first ;)
toot your own horn ??? hell go ahead and pull for mccmurray next, eventually youll get one right :cookoo:
your right though, burton is a class act, i am glad to see him in victory lane again :tipup: i mean look at the guy, if the commentators didnt remind you he was in the chase you wouldnt even pay attention to the guy, yet there he is, in first place 2 races into the chase ??? did you guys see his wife when kenseth ran out of gas, i think she wanted this more than him :tipup:
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oh, now i see whats up with vickers, i just read on NASCAR.com that the little cry baby was locked out of meetings by hendrick motorsports before the chase :'( what did he expect, they were going to give him all there little chase secrets from 3 drivers that are in the chase so he can run off to toyota with them ??? so now he considers himself a one man team and isnt going to listen to anyone :-\ they said that rick is a loyal person and let vickers finish this year with them so he had a place to race until next year :-\ boy i bet hje's kicking himself now, he should have got rid of vickers earlier and got mears in there ASAP, he would have gotten rid of the rotten apple, and got a "teamate" in there, and also would have helped mears get used to things for the 2007 season :tipup:
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what do you guys think of the top 43 ???
http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/features/last_lap/09/26/last.lap.top.35/index.html (http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/features/last_lap/09/26/last.lap.top.35/index.html)
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oh, now i see whats up with vickers, i just read on NASCAR.com that the little cry baby was locked out of meetings by hendrick motorsports before the chase :'( what did he expect, they were going to give him all there little chase secrets from 3 drivers that are in the chase so he can run off to toyota with them ??? so now he considers himself a one man team and isnt going to listen to anyone :-\ they said that rick is a loyal person and let vickers finish this year with them so he had a place to race until next year :-\ boy i bet hje's kicking himself now, he should have got rid of vickers earlier and got mears in there ASAP, he would have gotten rid of the rotten apple, and got a "teamate" in there, and also would have helped mears get used to things for the 2007 season :tipup:
OMG, I shouldn't be surprised @ the fact that the brethren is Crying louder than Vickers is perceived. ::) I haven't heard boo out of Vickers. Not even a whimper. I have heard wails out of the Gordon camp for the fact that he actually had to RACE Vickers for a position and not just a wave as he was chauffeured on by. :'(
Here is another option; Vickers wasn't snubbing anyone, he just didn't want to drive for Hendrick anymore. :o Of course, the Brethren couldn't fathom why anyone wouldn't want to be in the Hendrick stable?? People thought the same thing about Roush, but Busch left. All these drivers have a choice, I guess those choices need to be cleared by the Brethren first. :-\
Being loyal has nothing to do with Vickers driving the 25 car, he has a CONTRACT!! :cursing: I am so tired of this BS. Hendrick Motorsports has a binding agreement with Brian Vickers. BV is not only doing his job, he is doing it well with less help from the other teams in the Hendrick stable. Do I think he should get less help from the other teams, sure. I wouldn't want my secrets leaving the stable. Did Brian Vickers hold Gordon up because he was miffed at not being included in meetings? I don't know, Brian Vickers did not say that, a REPORTER offered his unasked opinion about it. :cursing:
Mike ???
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what do you guys think of the top 43 ???
http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/features/last_lap/09/26/last.lap.top.35/index.html (http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/features/last_lap/09/26/last.lap.top.35/index.html)
This is one of those, "take it or leave it" subjects for me. the responses were interesting, and the "team" side of the equation was very enlightening. Top 35 in points, 8 provisionals? At least with the top 35, the spots are earned and not Given. I also like the past Champ provisional. I believe any past Champ has earned that right. This is one of those subjects that doesn't really get me riled up; see above post for subject that does. ;)
Mike
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no, he did say he was ticked he was being left out, and that he is a team member until the end of the year, it was on SPEED, actual in person interview, not a report :tipup: vickers is ticked he is being left out, and like rick hendrick said, he could have gotten rid of vickers very easily, he was honoring the contract because he believes in the contract, there are plenty of ways around that piece of paper, anyone that watches any sport knows that, but like i said, hendrick is being loyal and letting vickers stay :tipup:
odd how vickers has been under fire for the past 2 years, and was rumored to be out of a job, then when HE asked to be let out of the contract it was because He didnt want to drive for hendrick :laugh: funny how you guys think that if hendrick got rid of vickers the organization is bad, but it was vickers who asked to be out of the contract and you still give those :cursing: faces about hendrick :laugh: the only reason vickers is racing this year is because hendrick allowed him to finish the year after ending the contract, which to me is very admirable, 90% of owners would have given him the boot and got mears in the seat to finish the year and make those bonds for next year :tipup:
and where is all this whining gordon is doing ??? he made 1 statement about vickers not being a team player, yet you keep saying about all this whining ??? gordon made 1 statement, the rest came from the hendrick organization, not gordon :tipup: but i do love how since it has to do with gordon, people assume its gordon doing the complaining :laugh:
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This is one of those subjects that doesn't really get me riled up; see above post for subject that does. ;)
Mike
riled up over nothing at that :laugh:
:cursing: about a contract that vickers backed out of, yet hendrick let him finish the season and your :cursing: at hendrick :laugh: and :cursing: at gordon for whining when he made one statement, it was the organization and vickers own cerew chief that was b and moaning for not listening :tipup:
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ahh man, you offline, i kinda miss these arguments :laugh:
but to the top 43, i agree, the past champion is a deserved start, but i like the top 35 in points being automatic, maybe make it the top 20 to make it a little more competitive and give some of those low market teams a better chance to get in,m i mean who knows, that guy with no sponsor and a half arse built car could actually be able to race his arse off, he just never got the chance to show his stuff because his car isnt the fastest in qualifying, it would also give those guys a better chance to do good in the race once they get in because they wont be so worried about having to have a good qualifying car, and can concentrate on have a car that will be ok qualifying and better for racing, most of these guys that get in have a car set up for qualifying only and crap for racing :-\
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OK, I did not see that interview. If that is the case, Vickers needs to put up and shut up, he is leaving at the end of the year. He SHOULD NOT be privvy to any more sensitive information as soon as he has stated he would not be back.
"there are plenty of ways around a piece of paper" I am so tired of this crap. :cursing: It's not a piece of paper, it is a legally binding contract. BTW, holding up Flameboy is not a firing offense. :w00t:
I don't think the Hendrick organization is bad, quite the ooposite. :-[ I don't think Vickers is bad or stupid for leaving. I think he is making the decision that HE feels right for himself. Question, Would you want to be #1 or #4?
Gordon whines, complains, and bitches. He is who he is. ;D
Mike :afro:
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i agree, holding up gordon is racing, no where near a firing offense, although it should be punished somehow in house, chances are it wont because he is leaving, but he did ignore his crew chief and car owner, and no matter what you think of teams, it was kinda BS doing that :-\
in a way i agree with vickers, he shouldnt be locked out of meetings, obviously he shouldnt be privy to all the information, but they blocked him from everything :-\ i mean honestly, how much sharing do you think goes on in team meetings, i caqn see locking him out of individual teams meetings, but im sure none of them go into the other teams meetings, can you see busch sitting in the 24 team meeting ??? NO, but why lock him out of organization meetings ??? and all this happened before the on track incident, thats why hendrick and vickers are bickering, hendrick says you blocked jeff because you were locked out and dont consider yourself on the team, in a way its true, but thats why vickers blasted back saying, im not part of the team, im an outsider waiting for the end of the year :-\
the piece of paper crap, your right it should be a legally binding thing, but come on, be realistic, no one honors them anymore, people honor a handshake more than a contract, teams fire people under contract just as much as people under contract quit :tipup: anymore a contract is just an agreement saying that while we get along we will be on the same team, once we start to dislike each other we will go our seperate ways ???
i doubt anyone thinks the hendrick organization is bad, its just like every other organization, business first :tipup:
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Holy Crap, we agree on something. I think Hendrick is Top Dog right now, but watch out for RCR, the resergence hasn't peaked yet. Look how fast Roush has fallen, man what a tough business. GTG get dinner ready, tomorrow is another day.
Mike
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Holy Crap, we agree on something. I think Hendrick is Top Dog right now, but watch out for RCR, the resergence hasn't peaked yet. Look how fast Roush has fallen, man what a tough business. GTG get dinner ready, tomorrow is another day.
Mike
lol, just like the old days, a whole page of you and me arguing :laugh:
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Yeah, we could be discussing Tennis........NOT! :sick: :rotflol: Nascar fans fight it out just like the drivers.Some like to do it clean, like Matt Kenseth and Jeff burton. Some like to do it dirty, like Jeff Gordon and Kurt Busch. ;D
Well, get out yer pillow, another snoozer from the wonderful world of cookie cutter racetracks. I tell ya what, I like Jr this weekend. :o I don't really get it, but those DEI guys figuired out how to get a car to work the cookie cutters.
Jeff seems to have an idea how to get around Kansas, 5 races, 4 top 10's, and 2 wins. :-\
This could be Smoke's weekend as well.
AND, Roush had 4 cars in the top 5 last year, hmmmmm.
Mike :afro:
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Yeah, we could be discussing Tennis........NOT! :sick: :rotflol: Nascar fans fight it out just like the drivers.Some like to do it clean, like Matt Kenseth and Jeff burton. Some like to do it dirty, like Jeff Gordon and Kurt Busch. ;D
Well, get out yer pillow, another snoozer from the wonderful world of cookie cutter racetracks. I tell ya what, I like Jr this weekend. :o I don't really get it, but those DEI guys figuired out how to get a car to work the cookie cutters.
Jeff seems to have an idea how to get around Kansas, 5 races, 4 top 10's, and 2 wins. :-\
This could be Smoke's weekend as well.
AND, Roush had 4 cars in the top 5 last year, hmmmmm.
Mike :afro:
and whats the difference between roush cars last yearand this year ??? ;) :laugh:
and DEI ??? JR has a pole 4 years ago and an average finish of 20 and only 2 top 10's and no top fives much less wins, and 34th last year ???
you know who im going with, like you said, 4top 10's, 3 top 5's, and 2 wins in 5 races, his worst finish was 13th in '04 but thats good for the championship, he doesnt need to finish 1, he can keep up these 3rd place finishes till the end for all i care :tipup:
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Sure is quiet with Arch gone. :'( ??? :-\
I took Mr Stewart this week. ;D I am really looking forward to a weekend full of racing at Talledaga. I was supposed to go with a buddy, but he backed out becasue he bought a house. :'( Imagine seeing Juan Montoyas debut, the Craftsman Trucks debut, and the new track surface debut all in one weekend. :bowdown: :flex: :thumbup_smilie: :flag:
Mike :afro:
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Sure is quiet with Arch gone. :'( ??? :-\
im not gone, just licking my wounds from 3 DNF's in a row :'(
i woiuld probably finally say the 24's goose is cooked, not mathmatically, but he is to far gone now :-\
at least no one can say it was do to his racing, just bad luck, and odd luck last week for a hendrick car :-\ not many engine problems there ??? but i will say i wish the best luck to the 31 :tipup:
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I guess i'll go with Bobby Labonte for this week at Martinsville. He'll hold off a hard charging Morgan Sheppard..... ;D ;D
But seriously, Bobby Labonte!!
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well, my guy is on a crap streak, but hes not racing for points anymore, just wins, and with 21 top 10's in 27 races here, 15 top 5's and 7 wins, i gotta go with gordon :tipup:
http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/features/btn/10/18/martinsville/index.html (http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/features/btn/10/18/martinsville/index.html)
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well, 5th place isnt bad, and i would like to thank mr. burton for letting jeff gordon back into the chase ;D and mr. stewart for not dumping jeff :tipup:
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Keep dreaming.
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Keep dreaming.
lol, probably is a dream, but its a weird year ???
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Yeah Arch, weird year for sure. Homestead will be very interesting. I still am sticking by Mr Burton, but you never want to give the lead to Kenseth. This stretch of 4 will be exciting for sure. I hate to give anything to D0man, but Jr really sucked eggs on Sunday with that spinout.
Mike
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yup, jr was a man and took full credit for that spin :clapping:
i doubt my guy will have a shot :-\ especially now in the weak part of the chase for him, the three tracks he has never won on are the last three :tipup: anyone but kenseth or JR. can win and itll be ok ;D i would honestly like to see martin or burton, obviously if gordon cant win, win it all, burton is a good guy, and i think mark deserves one :tipup:
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is anyone else having problems with NASCAR.com? the pics and stories wont come up on the home page?
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is anyone else having problems with NASCAR.com? the pics and stories wont come up on the home page?
Ever since they went to the new homepage format a couple months ago, my connection there has been slower. Half the time I have to hit the refresh button after clicking on an individual story.......and response time is greatly reduced from what it was.....
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BUMP
I'm going Burton for the race today...
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Great bumb CDC. I am thinking Carl Edwards is going to find his old form, but that is off the top of my head. It will be an interesting race for sure, we'll see who wears out there tires. After watching some of the Busch race yesterday, tire management will be an issue for sure. If that is the case, Mark Martin is Mr smooth.
Mike
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I like Gordon to win this weekend, and Harvick to be in top 5.
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Gordon and Texas don't get along. He got a gift with qualifying being cancelled. I picked Hamlin this weekend, best pick for my picking position. You also have to look at Stewart and Kenseth.
Mike
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Gordon and Texas dont get along but he's doing d**n good here today....untill Jr passed him..
Go 48
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Am I the only guy out here that can't stand Kyle Busch? Could this kid be any more stupid? >:( The only thing that I give him any credit for is driving his car like he stole it. Unfortunately, driving the car that way cuases accidents. He didn't steal that car, as far as we know anyway. He has ruined so many really fast cars it silly. THEN, he has a fit and leaves the track. Of course his ever working team rebuilds the car, but has no driver; enter Dale Jr. Jr finnished the race in the 5 car that wrecked his car. I have never been more impressed in Jr. This boy has come into his own and turned into a man. 8)
BTW, how bout that finnish!! I really like both of the guys that were fighting it out for the win. Burton is a class guy and I really hope he can get'r done this year for the championchip. :bowdown:
Phoenix, at nite, and bringing the COT. This weekend should be good. :w00t:
Mike