FTD, We should be calling you Mr.Information.Thanks for all the info.......I've fished some of those lakes.Alot of them are small but really produce if you know where to fish them.If it's the same Allen lk. that I'm thinking of ,you can get to several other lake from it,Meadow,Wolf,Calarney.Let me know if it's the same Allen.I used to go to the Irish Hills every weekend to fish a day and then hit Erie the other day....