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MFF US Northeast => New York => Topic started by: skinny40 on Jan 24, 2021, 01:53 PM
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Well the Dec has a plan.... https://www.dec.ny.gov/press/122166.html
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Wow
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Quite a plan. I can live with it.
Rg
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Well Caz and six town will end up full of dinks more fish competing for the same food , I’ve fished these lakes for many years
Plus the people on Caz are killing off the weeds
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Interesting Fred. I’ve fished Honeoye for a very long time. There’s a good population of gills, but it gets hammered hard. Maybe a size and reduced limit would help foster some big old gills.
I’m no fisheries biologist.just my thoughts.
Rg
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I think they should require fish over 9” to be thrown back and get rid of the limit. Cull the dinks.
I’ve fished Silver and Honeoye and they are both loaded with dinks.
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Interesting Fred. I’ve fished Honeoye for a very long time. There’s a good population of gills, but it gets hammered hard. Maybe a size and reduced limit would help foster some big old gills.I’m no fisheries biologist.just my thoughts.Rg
I’ve never fished there so I’ll take the word of somebody that has spent years fishing it without question
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Plan looks interesting to me
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Spring, fall and winter there. No sense trying to fish it in summer.. early spring yields some of the biggest sunfish I’ve ever seen. Winter can ...at times....give up some huge gills. But, over the past 5-10 years, size is much more difficult to come by. Not laying blame...just saying.
Rg
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I think they should require fish over 9” to be thrown back and get rid of the limit. Cull the dinks.
I’ve fished Silver and Honeoye and they are both loaded with dinks.
I agree 100%. Silver has a huge population of decent panfish. If anything, just lower the limit a bit. I get nervous any time the state tries to fix a problem that doesn't exist. Why the he-- does everyone have to have the biggest and best of everything? There are a lot of folks that feed their families with the fish they catch. With the road this country is headed down, It will be even more important.
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Comments on the draft plan should be submitted via e-mail to [email protected] before february 15 2021
Draft Plan Highlights
Reducing the sunfish statewide daily harvest limit from 50 to 25 fish.
Increasing the crappie statewide minimum size limit from 9 to 10 inches.
Establishing the Big Panfish Initiative, which includes:
Implementing an 8-inch minimum size limit and a daily harvest limit of 15 for sunfish in the following waters: Blydenburgh Lake (DEC Region 1), Lake Welch (Region 3), Canadarago Lake and Goodyear Lake (Region 4), Saratoga Lake (Region 5), Sixtown Pond and Red Lake (Region 6), Cazenovia Lake and Otisco Lake (Region 7), Honeoye Lake (Region 8), and Silver Lake (Region 9)
Implementing a 12-inch minimum size limit and a daily harvest limit of 10 for crappie in the following waters: Blydenburgh Lake (DEC Region 1), Muscoot Reservoir (Region 3), Saratoga Lake (Region 5), Delta Lake (Region 6), Cazenovia Lake and Otisco Lake (Region 7), Waneta/Lamoka lakes and Honeoye Lake (Region 8), and Bear Lake (Region 9)
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First they told people they can’t shoot a four point buck now it’s a trophy panfish state they want i call crap most ponds and lakes will never put out crappie and gills the size they want and for decades they have preached keep panfish to help the rest grow it just more control leave it as is
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Only one way to counteract that. Speak up!
Rg
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Here’s an interesting read regarding response to their survey.
https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/sunfishanglersurveytb.pdf (https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/sunfishanglersurveytb.pdf)
I find it interesting that they sent the survey to their 147,000 subscribers and that only 1400 answered. If I’m reading it correctly, that’s a pretty apathetic reaponse.
Rg
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Did any of you get that notice? I know I didn't. I emailed to leave it alone and quit killing off the weed beds in these "trophy" wanna B private lakes.
If you don't want people to sell fish then end that.
Did lakeside owners make up a large portion of responders? I can speak to Caz that the locals plain do not want us on that lake as was proven during the public access meetings where ice fishermen were purported as crazy drunken sex fiends. This has an agenda behind it and it isn't in the "average" sportsman's interest.
Can you tell I'm not a fan?
One "trophy" lake gave up 50 8-9.5" gills in about two hours sight fishing in 14' of water last week. Saw many many other year classes as well and pulled the bait away from many toothy picks too.
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You’d have needed to be subscribed to receive those notices. They ask for input, but they don’t get it until after the fact.
Everyone gets up in arms but not till it affects them. You have to participate to contribute.
That said, I really don’t care what they do with the limits. I’ll abide by them and have no need for piles of fish in my freezer. It may be different for some others, but nothing will change unless you all get on board and voice your opinions IN ADVANCE!
Rg
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Well said
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Public comment period goes until 2/15 so your voice can be still be heard in advance of a final decision. I'll also abide but took the time to formally comment.
I also took the time to subscribe to the DEC Delivers site.
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Well done!
Rg
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Here’s an interesting read regarding response to their survey.
https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/sunfishanglersurveytb.pdf (https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/sunfishanglersurveytb.pdf)
I find it interesting that they sent the survey to their 147,000 subscribers and that only 1400 answered. If I’m reading it correctly, that’s a pretty apathetic reaponse.
Rg
Yar.
Why propose reg changes based on a sample of 1400 individuals ?
i sent my response today
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Ya know...that’s my point. Whatever your opinion....speak up!
Rg
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I fish Saratoga for Crappie and would be OK with 10 in minimum and 15 limit. A 12 in minimum and 10 fish limit is a little too restrictive I believe.
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Well I have voiced an opinion, but most times, when the state ask for input it’s a done deal just another stroking is all ,
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Not sure I agree with your assessment, but kudos to you for being heard.
Too many fishers complain after the fact.
Rg
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Well over the years when the state made a proposal always seemed like it was passed into the fish regs , wish I could remember a time that opinions carried any real weight
I was at the federation meeting when they proposed making 50 perch the limit on Oneida the answer I got was they felt if I got my fifty and left it would increase the chances of others catching theirs because the fish would swim over so they could catch theirs 🙄,wish it was that simple , now if it had been a lack of fry or forage base I wouldn’t have said a word ,
Not that I mind the 50 , cleaning 15 perch is plenty , 3 eyes and 12 big perch works for me ,I respect others opinions
This is just how I’ve seen things unfold over the last , 45+ years ,
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That’s a pretty poor answer you received. It would make me skeptical as well. I can’t remember the last time I took a limit of anything. It’s just my Bride and I and she’s not fond of fish. She’ll have a few pieces of perch if I deep fry them, but that’s about it. So, a couple dozen perch or gills last me a long time.
I know a few folks who have no regard for limits at all. One pair routinely puts several limits per day in the freezer when a good bite is on. New regs wouldn’t stop them for a minute. Like all rules, regulations and laws, it’s only the honest people who follow them.
I’m kind of surprised we haven’t heard the old “ it’s just a way for the DEC to write more tickets” line. That usually pops up in threads like this. Guess that’s more IShanty style.
Rg
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You know RG your right that is usually one of the first things you hear about the tickets LOL, limits are only there for the law abiding
My better half doesn’t eat fish anymore she takes a med that for some reason makes fish smell and taste bad
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I very seldom keep a limit.....enough for a meal or two. As far as the sizes, seems like taking the large breeders is contrary to what DEC has told us for years. Not sure if it will have the impact desired but we will have to wait and see!!
SeanP
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I drive by a lake that not many eat fish out of, Onondaga, and I don't recall seeing masses of catch and release trophy pan fisherman hitting it. Lots of bass guys as it does have a good population of bass but after fishing several years of bass tourneys its not much better if at all than other surrounding bodies of water. Advertise these hidden trophy panfish gems (if they actually are) or use them as labs to see if the theories hold water. Everyplace has a pond or lake nobody keeps fish from due to pollution.
I do keep some limits and distribute a ton of fillets to guys that don't fish but enjoy eating them. I will abide by the regs when they come out.
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you'll get alot more meat out of 50 7 1/2 inch gills then you will 15 8 inchers ..duhhhhh
if you can catch huge sufish n the sprng and winter yu an in the summer you just need to change tactics
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And....this has to do with???????
Rg
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agreed! I feed my family at least once a week on catch too.
id bet its a change made from a small group of no harvesters types that are just yelling the loudest so they think that's majority thinking.
this is what it has to do with trophy bluegills.. :rotflol: we want big trophy sized dinners!
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Only one way to counteract that. Speak up!
Rg
we tried that and the threads disappeared
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Please read this recent article. Minnesota & Wisconsin are light years ahead of most states when it comes to panfish research & management. They’re the ones that started the big panfish initiative.
https://www.in-fisherman.com/editorial/managing-for-big-bluegills/382986
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remember the old saying be careful what you wish for ..... who wants to spent a day letting good panfish go to catch a few big ones????how many bluegills do you want on your wall??? we chase gaint trout pike walleye bass salmon .... i just want to have fun with my grand kids and catch dinner. you remember being a kid? you caught a fish you were so happy you took it home fish dinner that night and you where hooked you did the same thing with your kids and maybe grand kids but ..... when those kids fish all day and don't catch a keeper no worries the antis have videos games and humanist propaganda waiting for them ..... yup where talking "panfish" not trophy tarpon were talking te fish kids catch and bring home ....don't matter it's a done deal now ......sorry dads ...might as well take the kids bowling for family day guess
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Except for a few select lakes you can come home with 25 bluegills, any size. I think 25 gills is more than enough for anybody to take home in a day. How about 25 walleyes or 25 bass, you up for that Trap? You answered so fast that it’s obvious you never even took a glance at the article.
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we tried that and the threads disappeared
Discussion is one thing. Argument is another.
That’s a very in depth article. A lot of insight there.
New York has 7600 +/- freshwater lakes. I see regulation changes for 14. That leaves 7,586 lakes to take a kid fishing under the existing regulations. Not to mention the thousands of ponds, rivers, creeks and the canal system. So, don’t try to tell me there’s no place to fill a bucket with 50 fish if you want to.
I know I could....if I wanted to.
Rg
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Well the Dec has a plan.... https://www.dec.ny.gov/press/122166.html
Wish my state of Indiana would get with the program. Still no limit on bluegill even though every time we have rule change proposals it comes up and lots of anglers want it. We have people that come through and remove every last bluegill off the beds and then give them away because they are too lazy to clean them. All about bragging rights.
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Well...we can agree on that anyway.,there’s always common ground between fishermen.
Rg
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Please read this recent article. Minnesota & Wisconsin are light years ahead of most states when it comes to panfish research & management. They’re the ones that started the big panfish initiative.
https://www.in-fisherman.com/editorial/managing-for-big-bluegills/382986
Another article on the same management concept:
http://bigbluegill.ning.com/
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Here’s an interesting read regarding response to their survey.
https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/sunfishanglersurveytb.pdf (https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/sunfishanglersurveytb.pdf)
I find it interesting that they sent the survey to their 147,000 subscribers and that only 1400 answered. If I’m reading it correctly, that’s a pretty apathetic reaponse.
Rg
That's much worse than normal for surveys which is usually not good.
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Nope. The complainers outnumber the responders by a majority.
Rg
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i agree with you on bed fishing taxid. cant get behind a limit though. they are just too plentiful to need that. imo i think the bed fishing does way more harm than fishing the rest of the year does. i see them while bassin in spring. run and gun around the lake then load up and run to another lake to rape it too.
not a big worry if its not a state wide regulation though either. id be up for a couple of our lakes to be regulated for trophies. several lakes already give up 10"ers regularly.
Fair enough but it's not just beds. There are other times of year where bluegills can be vulnerable to large harvests. At the risk of repeating myself there is a part of Clear Lake east of Freemont where the the big bluegills stack up like cordwood some falls. I was aware of that and would take home a little less than I want to clean. One year there was a guy anchored there every time I showed up. We got to talking and he bragged bout harvesting a couple thousand over a period of a few weeks. Said he didn't like cleaning and eating them, but gave them to the neighbors. I do remember he drove all the way over from Mishawaka. They were really easy to catch when they were in the hole. One after another on crickets. I was with two others and we got 70 in short amount of time. All 9 to 10.5 inches.
I also know a guy that is really good at catching suspended bluegills on a flyrod and sinking line. He bragged about catching 1800 bluegills in one summer from little Sacrider Lake (35 acres) near Kendallville. He's a Larry Edwards protege. I believe him. Larry could mark suspended bluegills back off and anchor and haul them in one after another. Now without needing an anchor thanks to lock on trolling motors it should be even easier.
The think is Im not saying you can wipe them out. But when you're freezing your butt off on the ice and it would be nice if there were a few more swimming around. I fish states where they are considered trash fish and you would not believe the numbers and sizes!
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Nope. The complainers outnumber the responders by a majority.
Rg
But do the complainers respond to the survey? Or am I misunderstanding?
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But do the complainers respond to the survey? Or am I misunderstanding?
I for 1 responded but as NY goes most times its a done deal , I have a friend that’s in the know , it’s down state that carries the weight , my opinion I’m sticking to it , so when it goes into law , I’ll just pass on some of those places, but the local economies will lose revenue, I’m only speaking about places I have fish on and off for 40 years
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Honest response as always.
We will see what the results of the changes are.....if we live long enough.
Rg
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When do they intend to implement the new regulations?
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Go to the first post and click on the link.
Rg
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Comments on the draft plan should be submitted via e-mail to [email protected] before february 15 2021
Draft Plan Highlights
Reducing the sunfish statewide daily harvest limit from 50 to 25 fish.
Increasing the crappie statewide minimum size limit from 9 to 10 inches.
Establishing the Big Panfish Initiative, which includes:
Implementing an 8-inch minimum size limit and a daily harvest limit of 15 for sunfish in the following waters: Blydenburgh Lake (DEC Region 1), Lake Welch (Region 3), Canadarago Lake and Goodyear Lake (Region 4), Saratoga Lake (Region 5), Sixtown Pond and Red Lake (Region 6), Cazenovia Lake and Otisco Lake (Region 7), Honeoye Lake (Region 8), and Silver Lake (Region 9)
Implementing a 12-inch minimum size limit and a daily harvest limit of 10 for crappie in the following waters: Blydenburgh Lake (DEC Region 1), Muscoot Reservoir (Region 3), Saratoga Lake (Region 5), Delta Lake (Region 6), Cazenovia Lake and Otisco Lake (Region 7), Waneta/Lamoka lakes and Honeoye Lake (Region 8), and Bear Lake (Region 9)
I would love for these BIOLOGISTS to go and fish Sodus bay for a min of 5 yrs and 7 yr max for perch and find out how a bigger population moves builds and reacts to the insane fishing that small area gets hit with.
My history on this area and would suspect applies to most fisheries is it goes in cycles. 2&3 yrs ago were phenomenal for the ice season on size and numbers. Last year and this year were about the same on numbers lower on size. 4 yrs ago was lower on numbers much better on size. Fish go in cycle as a result of the fishing but I don’t see anything disappearing there. Just on and off fishing years. Some places do need mild management to rebuild a depleted population. But small size is not a depleted population problem. Most of the time it’s an over population problem. The state will make the issue worse before someone comes in and makes it better.
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But do the complainers respond to the survey? Or am I misunderstanding?
I’ve responded told them to go fish and see for themselves instead of sitting behind a desk and tasking a college student to go take notes on people’s catches.
Tight lines
Perchin
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we have plenty of 10"+ gills swimming in our lakes(IN). (and gasp NO limits :o lmao) gills past 9" imo arent worth eating. if all you want is trophies build yourself a pond. my buddy says "those that want others limited must not be able to cant catch their own" . ;D fish are resources for all to enjoy. not anyone elses fault if you dont partake in it. fish are one of the most reliable renewable resources there is! not sorry if feeding my family offends you. really couldnt care less these days.
Now Tim I'm a little confused here. You won't reveal your fishing spots 'cause spot burners will come and fish them out but there are plenty of bluegills out there?
You can't have it both ways. ;D
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I’m trying to figure out why you Indiana guys are so worried about proposed limits in NY ???
Rg
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I’m trying to figure out why you Indiana guys are so worried about proposed limits in NY ???
Rg
:rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
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Just an observation ;)
Rg
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I'm willing to wait a few years and see if this idea works. Apparently they have had a lot of success in Minnesota with this concept.
I really enjoy fishing for pannies in Honeoye and Lamoka both. If we could routinely catch 12" calicos in both places that would be great. A 10 fish limit doesn't bother me either.
I typically like to keep 10-15 bluegills and calicos total in combination per outing.
The fact that they are doing this in a few select Lakes is a good test to see if it really works.
If I need to catch 9" calicos I can always hit Chautauqua.
I'm willing to give them a chance and see if it "pans" out.
I plan to fish at least another 30 years before I kick the bucket so this experiment might yield me 25 years of improved quality fishing.
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“Pans out”.....ha!
That’s funny👍👍
Rg
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Curious about lake selection for the rules. Is it based on these lakes being particularly vulnerable or random testing? I fish Saratoga for Crappie and have stated I would be OK with 10 inch and 10 fish restrictions but 12 in on that lake would really reduce the catch rate to almost no fun at all.
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Giants are already here
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Giants are already here
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Thats the biggest hand I've ever seen !!! :D
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:rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
That’s a good one!
Rg
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Thats the biggest hand I've ever seen !!! :D
Yep it's all relative.
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