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MFF US Northeast => Maine => Topic started by: Scalloper on Jun 21, 2021, 01:27 PM
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Saturday I was trolling a popular lake for salmon and brookies a few hrs from home. We came down a shoreline in about 40’ fow and came up on a small bar with 12-13’ on top. We landed three nice yellow perch in three passes. Later that day my wife and grandson wanted to “just regular fish not troll” as my grandson says. So we went back and anchored up. In a hr we filled a bucket until they started flipping out. We went in and cut 6-7 lbs out of what we had.
The next day we decided to smack them. We fished for 3 hrs not moving from the same anchor spot and filled three buckets. I put them in my live well after they were dead and turned the pump on to clean the slim off of them.
Later we put 7 bags of ice in them and drove home. I made some fish tacos today and they were excellent.
As you know in NY and other areas they get $13-14 lb for perch fillets. Maybe it’s time to open a fish cutting house and capitalize on the resource that’s available along the fish river chain up north.
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Nice fish scalloper , here in NY they are highly sought after
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I was very impressed. There were just as many when we left as there were when we arrived, maybe more. The screen kept showing more and more pulling 8-12 right to the surface when we reeled one in. Thats a very heathly unexploited fishery.
I still have no idea why 95% of Mainers consider YP trash fish ::)
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In 3 hrs my wife filleted all 174. Oddly she enjoys filleting fish and she is very good at it. I have had a Sun Bean elect fillet knife for probably 20+ years. It gets very hot during long uses but it works. She is doing such a nice job I am doing research on a new cordless and maybe a nice portable fillet table. 8)
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19.25 lbs of fillets
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OTE0mX4bWLE
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I was very impressed. There were just as many when we left as there were when we arrived, maybe more. The screen kept showing more and more pulling 8-12 right to the surface when we reeled one in. Thats a very heathly unexploited fishery.
I still have no idea why 95% of Mainers consider YP trash fish ::)
They are definitely not a trash fish as far as fun to catch and eating, but they are murder on naturally reproducing brook trout. Brook trout have a hard time competing with this non-native prolific species.
As a taxidermist in Indiana (now retiring) I got a couple of big ones in once via a honeymooning couple fishing on Moosehead Lake, Maine. Just like you they said they could have filled the boat with them. They said they boated about 50 and got worried they were catching over the bag limit. They went to shore and someone told them there was no limit and to catch them all!
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Hey Doug, I may be able to find market for them. Volume and regular supply would be the issue, along with transport. Might be fun to work on it! Are they “clean” ie grub free? Please, if possible let me know where I can geo on them. Might be a new hard water destination. Might take a day off this summer to whack a few. Gonna try my little MDI spot this week, when the tides come around. :bowdown: :thumbup_smilie: :flag:
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I heard and I'm not sure if it's true, that the reason NH put on a limit of spiny fish was because an out of stater was selling them commercially.
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Drop some off at my house... ;) ;)
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Drop some off at my house... ;) ;)
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Hey Doug, I may be able to find market for them. Volume and regular supply would be the issue, along with transport. Might be fun to work on it! Are they “clean” ie grub free? Please, if possible let me know where I can geo on them. Might be a new hard water destination. Might take a day off this summer to whack a few. Gonna try my little MDI spot this week, when the tides come around. :bowdown: :thumbup_smilie: :flag:
I was fishing Long Lake Sinclair. We (my wife :D) filleted 211 and there was only about 1.5 lbs that had dots in the fillets. We did not notice a single grub. I will do some research but I think I read where it is legal to sell yellow perch in Maine. I am sure if someone set up a small buying station and provided ice (very important) the volume and supply would be available. Can they be shipped whole iced?
I am told all of the lakes within the Fish River chain of lakes are over populated with YP. As was mentioned above, the YP compete directly with native brookies. A commercial harvest should help the brookie population within the watershed. From what I saw 2-3 guys should have no problem boating 4-500 lbs a day of YP 9-12" with 10% 13-14"
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I wish most of the lakes i fish had better feed so they would grow bigger.Adult yellow perch feed on larger zooplankton, insects, young crayfish, snails, aquatic insects, fish eggs, and small fish, including the young of their own species.
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i knew a guy scared of those black speck grubs. he used a syringe(from his turkey injector), without needle on it, to suck the specks out of the meat. then and only then would he eat it. lol
those are some nice perch. be trophies around here.
How common are the black dots in the fillets in your area? I tried doing a search to see what they were.
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A commercial harvest should help the brookie population within the watershed. From what I saw 2-3 guys should have no problem boating 4-500 lbs a day of YP 9-12" with 10% 13-14"
A while ago, some guys got trap net permits from IFW for YP. I think you still can but the lakes are limited where the nets can be used and it’s through the ice only, I believe.
Apparently, they had truck loads of them sold at first. Then it came to a screening halt once the yellow grub was seen in most of the catch. THE END!
LONG LAKE, 6000 ACRES! Good sized lake. LONG RIDE from Hancock!!! It would be interesting to know if the rest of the chain has perch similar. Also, Finding lakes with populations like that and grub free would be good for consistent catches and market stability. HMMM, I know some fish wholesale guys. I’ll do some research. I hate winter clamming, except on nice days. ;). Might be a good way to ride around the state catching fish and making a few $.
Oh yeah, yellow perch, crappie, suckers, bullheads (horn pout), pike, catfish (I believe) and a few others are salable in Maine. You can’t sell white perch. Given NY and a few other states now have limits on YP catches. there may well be an opportunity here.
I don’t think this place has a commercially large enough population.
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Odd, we have thousands of yellow perch here in Northern Washington county and not one of them would grow to a marketable size......10 inches would be huge here.......I wonder why......
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I read that the lakes with freshwater shrimp in them give Yellow a chance to grower larger. After years of leaving them on the ice for the Eagles i only leave the smaller ones now , years ago when in the Country i wondered why the 30' fiberglass Yellow perch was hangering on the wall in the olympic skateing arena. after comming back to Maine and filleting some and eating them I knew why,!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I was fishing Long Lake Sinclair. We (my wife :D) filleted 211 and there was only about 1.5 lbs that had dots in the fillets. We did not notice a single grub. I will do some research but I think I read where it is legal to sell yellow perch in Maine. I am sure if someone set up a small buying station and provided ice (very important) the volume and supply would be available. Can they be shipped whole iced?
I am told all of the lakes within the Fish River chain of lakes are over populated with YP. As was mentioned above, the YP compete directly with native brookies. A commercial harvest should help the brookie population within the watershed. From what I saw 2-3 guys should have no problem boating 4-500 lbs a day of YP 9-12" with 10% 13-14"
So how do you keep the brook trout out of the nets that are set for yellow perch?
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So how do you keep the brook trout out of the nets that are set for yellow perch?
There are only limited lakes allowed to use nets on. The nets used are pound or hoop nets which just hold the fish alive. All other species must be released alive at once.
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A while ago, some guys got trap net permits from IFW for YP. I think you still can but the lakes are limited where the nets can be used and it’s through the ice only, I believe.
Apparently, they had truck loads of them sold at first. Then it came to a screening halt once the yellow grub was seen in most of the catch. THE END!
LONG LAKE, 6000 ACRES! Good sized lake. LONG RIDE from Hancock!!! It would be interesting to know if the rest of the chain has perch similar. Also, Finding lakes with populations like that and grub free would be good for consistent catches and market stability. HMMM, I know some fish wholesale guys. I’ll do some research. I hate winter clamming, except on nice days. ;). Might be a good way to ride around the state catching fish and making a few $.
Oh yeah, yellow perch, crappie, suckers, bullheads (horn pout), pike, catfish (I believe) and a few others are salable in Maine. You can’t sell white perch. Given NY and a few other states now have limits on YP catches. there may well be an opportunity here.
I don’t think this place has a commercially large enough population.
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The licenses are still offered for $44
https://www1.maine.gov/ifw/docs/yellowperch.pdf
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https://www1.maine.gov/ifw/docs/yellowperch.pdf
As you will notice there are only certain lakes nets are allowed. But its my understanding that all lakes can be fished with hook and line. This would be a opportunity to make a income at some level if someone was to buy whole fish from fishermen.
I understand Long Pond on MDI and Alligator Lake have huge numbers of YP.
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https://www1.maine.gov/ifw/docs/yellowperch.pdf
I understand Long Pond on MDI and Alligator Lake have huge numbers of YP.
Yeah, Long Pond has a good population. I wouldn’t call it having a HUGE population, though. The body of water and habitat aren’t expansive enough. A buddy and I took approaching 1000 there this past winter, some pictured above. IFW Greg Burr was proud of us! :thumbup_smilie: I still have about 15# of fillets in the freezer. I think I’ll do more YP searching this coming winter. Maybe Alligator will be a destination. I think Moosehead might be a good chance too! Hopefully I can avoid that darn 5# brookie junk by-catch! hehe :thumbup_smilie:
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Yellow perch and other panfish are a blast to catch. If your just a bass fisherman then your missing out on lots of fun. Besides trout, my favorite fish to catch with a fly rod are sunfish.
The black specks are yellow grubs are both the dormant phase of a parasite that finish their life cycle when a bird eats the fish.
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I've always wanted to move to Maine u can catch Yellow Perch with my eyes closed. I might have to make a trip this winter and see what I can get into no limit on them is how I like to fish them
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http:// The Department of Wildlife receives many inquiries each year from people who have seen or caught fish which have yellowish bumps or black spots on their fins or in their flesh. So what are these bumps or spots? And is the fish safe to eat? The answer to the first question is these spots or bumps are caused by the yellow and/or black grubs.
Fish most often infested with grubs are in the sunfish family which includes bluegill, largemouth bass and green sunfish, but grubs can infest all fish species. The yellow grub (Clinostomum complanatum) is the lar- val stage of a parasitic fluke which must be eaten by fish eating birds, such as herons, egrets and bitterns. The grub matures in the throat of the bird, and eggs wash into the water from the bird’s mouth when feeding. The eggs hatch and the first larval stage, called miracidia, swim by means of fine hair like cilia until they find a snail of genus (Helisoma). Unless they find this snail they die within a few hours.
While living and growing in their snail host, the parasite goes through several developmental stages during which they multiply, finally leaving the snail as a free swimming cercariae. Unless the cercariae find a fish within a few hours, they also die. Should the cercariae
attach themselves to a fish, they burrow through the skin and encyst where they develop into metacercariae, which are the yellow grubs. There
they remain until eaten by the bird host, thus completing the life cycle.
The grubs may live for
several years in the
fish. It is possible that
yellow grub may kill fish under some cir- cumstances, but normally a fish is not adversely affected by the parasite.
The life cycle of the black grub (Climostomum neascus) is basically the same except the grub embeds in the bird’s intestines and eggs are passed out in waste. Some people find the thought of eating fish with grubs offen- sive but grubs are not harmful to humans.
So are your fish fillets with grubs in them safe to eat? If fish are properly cleaned and cooked thoroughly, this will kill any parasite or bacteria and the fla- vor of the fish is unaffected.
So how can you get rid of fish grubs? Well, unfortunately, the total elimination of these parasites can prove to be very difficult. Snails and fish-eating birds can- not be kept out of ponds at certain times, but any measure taken to disturb the life cycle of the grub will lower the number
Fish Grubs
What exactly are they and where did they come from?
By John Davenport, Holdenville State Fish Hatchery manager
of grubs found in fish. Several steps can be taken to reduce the number of snails in a pond. Because snails feed on aquat-
ic plants, the reduction of plants in ponds will reduce their food source and lower the number of
snails. Mowing the sides of the pond will allow the sun and wind to dry vegetation and decrease egg masses laid by snails.
The stocking of red-eared sunfish, often known by the nickname, “shell crackers” can sometimes be used because these fish are known to eat snails. A combina- tion of these techniques can be used to further reduce the snail population. There are many varieties of bird scare devices on the market today to frighten birds away. Varying the times and vari- eties of techniques used will help keep birds from becoming accustomed to the methods being used. Shooting birds may not be an option because many birds are protected by federal law.
Some people find the thought of eating fish grubs offensive but grubs are not harmful to humans.
Life History of Yellow Grub Parasite
1 Snail, first intermediate host. Larval grub makes several changes of form while in snail.
2 Free-swimming fork-tailed larva.
3 Fish, second intermediate host. Grubs encysted under skin.
4 Fish-eating bird, primary host. Adult grub lives in mouth and throat.
5 Mature egg.
6 Free-swimmi
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There are only limited lakes allowed to use nets on. The nets used are pound or hoop nets which just hold the fish alive. All other species must be released alive at once.
Fish that are held in any kind of net get kind of beat up don't they? At least that has been my experience raising and netting fish. I wouldn't want to be a smooth scaled fish like a brook trout banging around in a hoop net with rougher scaled fish like yellow perch.
I assume you'd have to sell the fish in the round vs. filleted as filleting them would require HACCP plan?
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I have a camp on Alligator and I can say from experience that there are some large numbers of YP, and that some of them reach large size. As Scalloper noted, when my nephews want to "go real fishing," we can quickly catch a dozen in a half hour or so without really trying. Whether or not the population would be commercially viable, I can't say. I do know that the eagles eat good at times. They will literally follow me when I'm trolling 8)
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Fish that are held in any kind of net get kind of beat up don't they? At least that has been my experience raising and netting fish. I wouldn't want to be a smooth scaled fish like a brook trout banging around in a hoop net with rougher scaled fish like yellow perch.
I assume you'd have to sell the fish in the round vs. filleted as filleting them would require HACCP plan?
I would need to look at the list of lakes, but I believe the ones allowing nets are not trout waters, are warm water species waters. I’m not sure that counts scrubber water as “trout water”.
Yeah, HACCP. Probably need HACCP for whole fish as well. Much simpler plan though. I was HACCP trained and certified years ago. I likely need an update as things have gotten more complex and specific, especially for shellfish and scombroid fish species (species want can form histamines if not properly handled) such as tuna, mackeral bluefish, etc.... I don’t believe any are freshwater species.
Just FYI:
"Scombroid occurs from eating fish high in histamine due to inappropriate storage or processing. Fish commonly implicated include tuna, mackerel, mahi mahi, sardine, anchovy, herring, bluefish, amberjack, and marlin.”
"What is scombroid poisoning?
Scombroid poisoning is a type of food intoxication caused by the consumption of scombroid and scombroid-like marine fish species that have begun to spoil with the growth of particular types of food bacteria. Fish most commonly involved are members of the Scombridae family (tunas and mackerels), and a few non-scombroid relatives (bluefish, dolphin or mahi-mahi, and amberjacks). A few additional species have been implicated, but they are of less concern relative to popular fish consumption. The suspect toxin is an elevated level of histamine generated by bacterial degradation of substances in the muscle protein. This natural spoilage process is thought to release additional by-products which potentiate the toxic effect. The potential toxins are not destroyed by freezing, cooking, smoking, curing or canning.
https://www.fda.gov/food/seafood-guidance-documents-regulatory-information/scombrotoxin-poisoning-and-decomposition
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THANKS F&R!!!
http:// The Department of Wildlife receives many inquiries each year from people who have seen or caught fish which have yellowish bumps or black spots on their fins or in their flesh. So what are these bumps or spots? And is the fish safe to eat? The answer to the first question is these spots or bumps are caused by the yellow and/or black grubs........
What exactly are they and where did they come from?
By John Davenport, Holdenville State Fish Hatchery manager
of grubs found in fish. Several steps can be taken to reduce the number of snails in a pond. Because snails feed on aquat-
ic plants, the reduction of plants in ponds will reduce their food source and lower the number of
snails. Mowing the sides of the pond will allow the sun and wind to dry vegetation and decrease egg masses laid by snails.
The stocking of red-eared sunfish, often known by the nickname, “shell crackers” can sometimes be used because these fish are known to eat snails. A combina- tion of these techniques can be used to further reduce the snail population. There are many varieties of bird scare devices on the market today to frighten birds away. Varying the times and vari- eties of techniques used will help keep birds from becoming accustomed to the methods being used. Shooting birds may not be an option because many birds are protected by federal law.
Some people find the thought of eating fish grubs offensive but grubs are not harmful to humans.
Life History of Yellow Grub Parasite
1 Snail, first intermediate host. Larval grub makes several changes of form while in snail.
2 Free-swimming fork-tailed larva.
3 Fish, second intermediate host. Grubs encysted under skin.
4 Fish-eating bird, primary host. Adult grub lives in mouth and throat.
5 Mature egg.
6 Free-swimmi
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A note for the questions of the black grub. Basically black dots that look like pepper in the fillets. Out of 20.25 lbs of cleal fillets we only had 1.44 lbs of fillets with black grubs. From what I was told yesterday this is about normal for other areas in VT, NY and OH.
CF, as you know we have delt with HACCP for 21 years. I could be incorrect but if only icing and shipping the regulations would me much less complex. Noting tops processing lobster or shellfish :pinch:
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I should note that I ate the fillets with the black grubs for lunch yesterday deep fried in grease at 365 degrees.... still here :laugh:
They cant possibly be a fraction as bad for you as hot dogs or McDonalds :sick:
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Many times the black dots do not enter the flesh , and cooking does kill them , I toss the ones back with the extra protein 😃
But try and sell them you might be very disappointed
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Black spots on the outside or cream colored grubs inside the flesh... Big difference..
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These were black dots looked like 10-15 dots of black pepper. Very small
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Fish eating birds , primary host so Loons should be eradicated ?
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Fish eating birds , primary host so Loons should be eradicated ?
1. The black you see is actually the fish's response to the parasite.
2. If I remember right from my research into this while propagating fish, the black spot parasite is associated with a cycle involving kingfishers and the yellow grub with Great Blue Herons. Never heard of anything to do with loons.
3. Snails are also part of the cycle with the yellow grub and the Great Blue Herrons.
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Many times the black dots do not enter the flesh , and cooking does kill them , I toss the ones back with the extra protein 😃
But try and sell them you might be very disappointed
Fred do they do 7 and 3/4 for market size by you? Northern champlain that was the minimum size they'd take. Id always forget to not let them freeze and would also be very dissapointed...until I ate them myself.
CF before the stocks really collapsed I enjoyed rod and reel commercial striper fishing. Get into a good hit of 30lbers early and you could sell hundreds of pounds at 4-6 a pound. Now making a buck off of natures back isnt my thing. Perch though are different. Lots of guys selling perch from champlain.
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all the bigger lakes in the fish river chain have huge y. perch. long , cross and square grow the biggest ones. my p.b is a 16in. caught under the ice on cross in 45ft. fishing for salmon. it spooled me. anyone wanting a big catch of these look me up. im 10min from long 15 from cross and square. bring some marine coolers and a good fillet knife. ;) good way to see if they have cysts is look under the jaw. if its clean usually the rest of the fish is also. most are clean here. never seen the yellow grubs here only the black dots and small gray cysts the size of a bb. in my shack on long i can average a 200 fish morning. i catch smelts from 3 to 7am then at sun up the yellows move in. the flasher is black from 10ft down to the bottom in 35 fow.
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I might have to buy another chest freezer. with all the perch fillets and all the any deer permits in family freezers will be full!!!
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not a bad problem to have. ;)
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Thanks! Kind of a long trip, but I'll plan a day up there!!! Maybe I can join you if we can coordinate a nice weather day. :thumbup_smilie: :flag:
all the bigger lakes in the fish river chain have huge y. perch. long , cross and square grow the biggest ones. my p.b is a 16in. caught under the ice on cross in 45ft. fishing for salmon. it spooled me. anyone wanting a big catch of these look me up. im 10min from long 15 from cross and square. bring some marine coolers and a good fillet knife. ;) good way to see if they have cysts is look under the jaw. if its clean usually the rest of the fish is also. most are clean here. never seen the yellow grubs here only the black dots and small gray cysts the size of a bb. in my shack on long i can average a 200 fish morning. i catch smelts from 3 to 7am then at sun up the yellows move in. the flasher is black from 10ft down to the bottom in 35 fow.