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Title: Chumming for perch
Post by: Pequod1 on Oct 09, 2021, 03:56 AM
Yesterday on Erie the boat next to us was slamming the perch while we were just getting them occasionally. He let us come up closer to around 30í and we still were not doing as well.  He told us he was cutting shiners up in pieces and chumming and that, he said, was the difference.  I am from from the coast and am quite knowledgeable about salt water chumming during my charter years there  - but freshwater?
I just donít think that small pieces of shiners would settle right under your boat in 64í in Erie. Eventually, his luck ran out and us and other boats near bye slammed them.
What do you guys think. Luck, or did it really help him?
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: fishinjohn on Oct 09, 2021, 04:20 AM
I think he was wasting his money!!!
This spring when I was out there I had had the same thing happen.   One boat was slaying them... one after another..boats around him were picking away at them..(he wasnt chumming) he boxed out and we slid closer to where he was(3 other boats) our bite picked up.    I think for whatever reason mustce been a really small TIGHT POD of fish and he was right on top of them. LUCK
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: fishogger on Oct 09, 2021, 04:52 AM
i been chumming for years. perch are scavengers too.  they also roam constantly.  if you can get on some and chum a bit they seem to stay under you.  so yes it works.  it has drawbacks too though.  if you chum a bunch, sooner or later the cats will find you and then its over.  they will run the perch off.  this works  under the ice too.  i been preaching it on the shanty for years. 


i do agree with john on him wasting money though.  i freeze blended fish scraps in 2 litter bottles.  tie it to your anchor below the perch caller, poke holes all over it and send it down.  people are very reluctant to chum for some reason.  i have been telling friends for years about chumming and or drop lights at night and they still doing the same old thing since 1987. lol  some even still start motor and rev it up when bite slows.  remember those days? :D
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: hinkydo on Oct 09, 2021, 05:20 AM
I chum them by losing bait.

                                       hinkydo
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: fishinjohn on Oct 09, 2021, 06:13 AM
some even still start motor and rev it up when bite slows.  remember those days? :D
When I fish the river if there is a hole I KNOW fish are in.. if the bite slows or isnt there I'll take the motor into the brush or drive slow up and down the hole in tight to where the lumber is...
This pushes fish out of hiding  and easier to get a bait in front of them
It WORKS GREAT sometimes
People think I'm nuts!!!!!
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: Pequod1 on Oct 09, 2021, 07:02 AM
I just wonder about 64í deep water yesterday.  Maybe shallower.  Maybe Iíll freeze a block of leftover minnows and tie it to a weight and let it down.  My luck, Iíll snag it constantly
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: fishinjohn on Oct 09, 2021, 07:45 AM
If you snag it you can at least say you caught something
Lol
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: gotagetm on Oct 09, 2021, 12:42 PM
my uncle used to take one of his wifes old stockings put lead in bottom then chopped fish parts tie it to his snagging rod send it to bottom and bounce it once in awhile swore buy it and your right cats would show up he would real it up and go anchor somewhere else
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: tree-on on Oct 13, 2021, 08:16 AM
I chum them by losing bait.

                                       hinkydo
I must be chumming all the time too ;D
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: TomFish on Oct 13, 2021, 12:56 PM
I know a guy who gets his perch bait in bulk for cheap and hes been known to drop a handful of minnows on the ice and step on em, twisting his boot back and forth a little and then kick them down the hole.

I don't know how helpful it is, and i doubt he would do it if he was paying full retail for the bait.
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: xc600 on Oct 13, 2021, 07:44 PM
Old timers around here would put fish carcasses in an onion bag, sink it thru the ice. They would then shake the insects out and fish over it. Worked for days.
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Oct 13, 2021, 07:48 PM
I chum all winter long. I also dip my lure and bait in a secret oil. It can't be found in any grocery store.
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: fishogger on Oct 14, 2021, 09:02 AM
ill give you another reason to chum.  this ones funny.

had a guy PM me on a fishing site.  he wondered if i could take him and his kid out to catch some of the hog crappie i was posting pics of.  most times id say no back then but but he seemed ok (later to find out he is not) and assumed wanted to show his kid how its done now i dont take people.  anyhow i said sure meet me there.  we he had his kid but he wasnt a kid.  20 some years old.  so 2 grown men couldnt find fish for themselves and looked to hustle mine.  so i led them down to a spot away from my normal area.  sure didnt want them on my spot with friends next time up there.  i caught a couple nice crappie and bounced them off their fancy shack full of gear to ooooandaahh over.  then i got my gill rod out and started catching tip up baits.  i took 6 or 7 over to a hole outside their shack and smashed them down the hole.  i knew what would happen.  this lake has a bunch of bullheads in it and it doesnt take long for them to invade.  i was laughing I disagree off at them in that shack.  they caught a bunch of them.  bitchin about the swallowed hooks the entire time. lmao  they stayed about 2 hours doing that.  now if that guy would have brought a child like he made on to, i would have showed them a bunch of nice crappie.  im not a free fish locator for no talent looser deadbeats. lol  take your live scope and find your own.  you dont need skills for that. ;D

so if guys invade your area chum heavy and pray for bullheads. lol 
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: trapper2000 on Oct 14, 2021, 12:14 PM
if  you have to chum to get perch ,why not just move  till you find them????
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Oct 14, 2021, 12:52 PM
if  you have to chum to get perch ,why not just move  till you find them????

I personally don't chum to get perch I chum to keep them there. Works for me
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: trapper2000 on Oct 14, 2021, 01:04 PM
Old timers around here would put fish carcasses in an onion bag, sink it thru the ice. They would then shake the insects out and fish over it. Worked for days.

i heard of putting holes in a  cat food can and  putting it in the water to attract bullheads
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: fishogger on Oct 14, 2021, 04:49 PM
if  you have to chum to get perch ,why not just move  till you find them????

you find them then chum to keep them under you man.

fish scraps are free and plentiful if you fish a lot. no need to piss away money on cat food. lol  really dont think it matters what you use to chum.
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: UglyStik on Oct 14, 2021, 06:19 PM
Get a bag of perch eyes. Chum with them. Report back.
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: trapper2000 on Oct 15, 2021, 03:33 AM
so if i clean fish i can throw the remains in for chum ......hmmmmm
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: fishogger on Oct 15, 2021, 03:54 AM
in my state yes its legal to chum fish parts.  the idnr just says "not in excess".  like guys taking 55gal drums on grain or scraps would be a no no.  a 5 gallon bucket would be considered legal chum.  that came from email response years ago.  its not my opinion trap.
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: trapper2000 on Oct 15, 2021, 04:10 AM
what state you from and the key words are  "in excess" what exactly is  in excess , my point isn't  really about chumming  it's about tossing a  bucket of  fish guts in the river getting caught then saying i'm chumming for catfish......i think and  this is my opinion ....before i "chummed" i would  contact the DEC.....just saying
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: taxid on Oct 15, 2021, 04:31 AM
in my state yes its legal to chum fish parts.  the idnr just says "not in excess".  like guys taking 55gal drums on grain or scraps would be a no no.  a 5 gallon bucket would be considered legal chum.  that came from email response years ago.  its not my opinion trap.

Fish Hogger and I know some people that get carried away with the corn chum for trout on a few of our trout lakes. I've seen tons of it laying n the bottom all moldy. Some people are just idiots.
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: filetandrelease on Oct 15, 2021, 04:35 AM
 http://
No person shall take or attempt to take any fish by means of chumming with fish eggs. For the purposes of this section, ďchummingĒ means depositing fish eggs, not attached to a hook, in the waters of the State of New York other than in the Marine and Coastal District.
 Curious  if you canít clean fish within 100 feet of shore,  so how can you use fish guts to chum with in a River
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Oct 15, 2021, 10:56 AM
so if i clean fish i can throw the remains in for chum ......hmmmmm

Yes even in NYS just have to be 100 feet off shore.
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: fishogger on Oct 16, 2021, 04:12 AM
what state you from and the key words are  "in excess" what exactly is  in excess , my point isn't  really about chumming  it's about tossing a  bucket of  fish guts in the river getting caught then saying i'm chumming for catfish......i think and  this is my opinion ....before i "chummed" i would  contact the DEC.....just saying

our dnr is famous for grey areas. lol i never chum too much.  just enough to keep them interested but not fill them up. ;D


yes taxi i seen guys at clear with big Rubbermaid tubs of corn chumming with gallon buckets at a time.  that started 2 years before the "trout crash".  i was cleaning trout that were completely packed to the vent with corn!!!!!!  i have read trout can starve with a belly full of corn from no nutrients.  thats why my opinion on that is what it is.  i still think it was the chummers that ruined clear.  i probably will always feel that way after what i witnessed out there and time frame.  sure seems funny that there were big trout caught years after the dnr said it coludnt support trout anymore.  they sure survived somehow eh? lol  i think they just took an easy excuse to stop stocking it.  unfortunately it was the very best trout lake this state had by a long shot!
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: fishogger on Oct 16, 2021, 04:14 AM
Yes even in NYS just have to be 100 feet off shore.

100' off shore?  what people dont like swimming with fish lungs and intestines floating around them?  lmao
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Oct 16, 2021, 06:57 AM
100' off shore?  what people dont like swimming with fish lungs and intestines floating around them?  lmao


Not sure why but know that it's the law.
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: bbfrogger on Oct 16, 2021, 08:18 AM
We have a somewhat rocky shoreline in front of our camp with a lot of crayfish .... I usually cut up the skin in smaller pieces and feed them that and a few other scraps ..... the guts I throw in a bucket and take out in the middle of a small shallow bay where there are a lot of snappers. They clean it up fast.  In the winter it goes in my compost pile ..... never thought about chumming with it .....hmmmmmm.  My neighbor even started feeding the crayfish now too - hahaha
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: taxid on Oct 16, 2021, 09:08 AM
We have a somewhat rocky shoreline in front of our camp with a lot of crayfish .... I usually cut up the skin in smaller pieces and feed them that and a few other scraps ..... the guts I throw in a bucket and take out in the middle of a small shallow bay where there are a lot of snappers. They clean it up fast.  In the winter it goes in my compost pile ..... never thought about chumming with it .....hmmmmmm.  My neighbor even started feeding the crayfish now too - hahaha

Do you ever catch the crayfish for bait? They are outstanding bait especially for smallmouth bass. Don't even have to be in the soft phase. As a taxidermist I have found crayfish in the stomachs of all species except the smaller panfish.
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: bbfrogger on Oct 16, 2021, 11:43 AM
Do you ever catch the crayfish for bait? They are outstanding bait especially for smallmouth bass. Don't even have to be in the soft phase. As a taxidermist I have found crayfish in the stomachs of all species except the smaller panfish.

Good question - actually thats why the rocks are there - decades ago I brought small boat loads of flat rocks and stacked them right along the shoreline so I wouldn't have to go all over the lake to catch crayfish - the crayfish moved in and I'd just step out the door and they are there - hahaha.  I don't really fish for bass any more but I keep the crayfish happy anyway ......  I've had pretty good luck with perch on crayfish tails too, and even caught a few trout on them under bobbers .......  I used to keep the crayfish in a fish box for bait before I had the rocks,  and made the mistake of throwing the bass I caught that night in the same box, to be cleaned the next day .... when I went out to clean the fish the crabs were all gone.  when I cleaned the bass I found them - a couple were still alive - hahaha
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Oct 16, 2021, 03:02 PM
Have caught lots of perch on crayfish
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: 62 & Done on Oct 16, 2021, 06:17 PM
  I heard a guy catches a perch thru the ice  then takes the eggs out and mixes them up in bottle full of water.  He dumps a little down the hole now and then.  I guess it works but it plays havic with your flasher    all those little marks    sounds like that's not legal  ?   What happens in your shanty stays in your shanty
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: bbfrogger on Oct 17, 2021, 08:56 AM
Sounds that way ...... "No person shall take or attempt to take any fish by means of chumming with fish eggs."  Chumming is defined as " depositing in the water any substance, not attached to a hook, which may attract fish."  I would thing the officer would have to be pretty tough to ticket what you are saying the first time he see's it but it wouldn't surprise me either .....
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: taxid on Oct 17, 2021, 12:52 PM
  I heard a guy catches a perch thru the ice  then takes the eggs out and mixes them up in bottle full of water.  He dumps a little down the hole now and then.  I guess it works but it plays havic with your flasher    all those little marks    sounds like that's not legal  ?   What happens in your shanty stays in your shanty

That's odd as perch eggs are in gelatinous strands. And they have a natural adverse taste to predators.

(https://i.imgur.com/gGW7xfL.jpg)
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: trapper2000 on Oct 17, 2021, 03:59 PM
i chum with a  kastmaster  and  perch eye ........just saying  :rotflol:
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: bbfrogger on Oct 17, 2021, 06:11 PM
i chum with a  kastmaster  and  perch eye ........just saying  :rotflol:

My great uncle used to use kielbasa on a pimple for perch ..... he would go to a hole I cut and caught nothing in and would be reeling them in one after another ..... very irritating some days when I had no kielbasa - hahaha.
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: 62 & Done on Oct 17, 2021, 06:34 PM
That's odd as perch eggs are in gelatinous strands. And they have a natural adverse taste to predators.

(https://i.imgur.com/gGW7xfL.jpg)
   maybe so but they don't look like that when you fillet one    they are loose when you cut the sack open    just sayin
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: filetandrelease on Oct 18, 2021, 07:17 AM

 bbfrogger sometimes eating your bait is not always a good thing but Iíve never met a piece of Kielbasa I didnít like either 😉
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: bbfrogger on Oct 18, 2021, 08:27 AM
hahaha - especially right off the grill with a crispy skin !!  Maybe thats why he brought it - just in case they weren't biting !!
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: filetandrelease on Oct 18, 2021, 08:34 AM

 
 Iím betting, smart man
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: PerchEyes on Oct 18, 2021, 09:31 AM
My great uncle used to use kielbasa on a pimple for perch ..... he would go to a hole I cut and caught nothing in and would be reeling them in one after another ..... very irritating some days when I had no kielbasa - hahaha.

I'm going to make a trip to Pulaski Meat Market later today for some "bait".  ;D
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: bbfrogger on Oct 18, 2021, 10:43 AM
haha- I get mine from Hapanowicz .... same area .....
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: taxid on Oct 18, 2021, 09:44 PM
That's odd as perch eggs are in gelatinous strands. And they have a natural adverse taste to predators.

(https://i.imgur.com/gGW7xfL.jpg)
   maybe so but they don't look like that when you fillet one    they are loose when you cut the sack open    just sayin

You're probably right. The females I raise and sell to taxidermists are too valuable to cut open so I don't do it. This one was over 15 inches and weighed 2 lbs. 3 oz.

(https://i.imgur.com/eAFJVG9l.jpg)
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: 62 & Done on Oct 31, 2021, 11:07 AM
That's a hog
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: trapper2000 on Oct 31, 2021, 11:43 AM
nice perch
Title: Re: Chumming for perch
Post by: filetandrelease on Oct 31, 2021, 11:46 AM
 
  Thats a tank