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MyFishFinder Tips and Techniques => Fishing Equipment => Boats, Canoes, Kayaks, Float tubes => Topic started by: Mac Attack on Aug 30, 2016, 07:32 PM
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10 pages in this boat area and nothing on winterizing.
Saw one on changing lower unit grease, but that's only part of it.
Strange to say the least.
:cookoo:
Oh well, I figured it was about time to start this thread.
The past 2 winters I had the dealer do the job.
It's was a new Lund, and I have the cash............
But last year, with the kicker motor too, it ran $572.00
I had a few extras done, but this is still crazy when I know how to and can easily do the work.
So today I priced everything up on Amazon.
(I have Prime) ;D
Even buying name brand oil, etc. everything ran me less than $150.00
Mac
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$572....I'll do it for $400 ;D
It ain't an F-16 ya know!
Rg
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$572....I'll do it for $400 ;D
It ain't an F-16 ya know!
Rg
Like I said, I had a lot of other stuff done too.
If I remove the extras, it was like $350
I had fuel filters on both engines replaced.
I also have a large water separator small micron filter in the main fuel line feeding both motors that I had replaced.
I also had them double up on my snaps on the trailering cover.
All of the charges were broken down last year and even look reasonable.
Even the parts were called out with part numbers on it.
And I used this to select the same part numbers on Amazon.
Amazon's prices were very close to theirs. Very close!
The difference was in the labor cost, obviously.
They charge for theirs and I don't charge for mine.
And figuring that I have 2 motors on the boat, it's basically like winterizing 2 boats.
But some of the items can be used for both boats.
Like the can of fogging oil.
There's plenty in it to do more than one motor.
Might even get a few years out of it.
I have always done all of my own work over the years on my boats.
Especially the winterizing.
On this boat I chose to have them do it out of convenience and because I can afford it.
That time of year is hectic enough with closing up the place at the lake and other work related things.
But this year I have decided to go back to doing it myself.
And so last night I though about taking a look here to see what others have done, etc.
And I didn't find anything.
Crazy, as I said.
So I will document mine when I do it.
This way others here can see how it's done, and also how easy it really is.
I'm trying to be a nice guy Bob.
SO GIVE ME A FREEKIN BREAK!
8)
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I am the owner of a brand new 4 stroke so I read the winterizing threads carefully. I have read this one 3 times and have figured out that you are a smart guy and have the money to have someone else winterize you outboards. What I am trying to figure out is what they actually did to winterize your 2 outboards for $572 (or $350 if you remove the non-outboard stuff that you added and isn't needed)? From what I read, they replaced a water separator filter, fuel filters, and fogged the cylinders? I'll assume, which I should never do, that they also replaced the lower unit grease??
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Here is what they did for the $350 -
stabilized my fuel in the tank - about 15-18 gallons
Fogged both motors
Pumped pink antifreeze thru each motor
Pulled props on each motor, inspected shaft seal and for any fishing line, etc., re-greased prop shafts
Drained lower unit grease
Pressure checked each lower unit (part of prop seal check above).
Filled lower units with new synthetic 80W-90 grease
Drained crankcase oil in each motor
changed oil filter on each motor
refilled each motor with 10W-30 synthetic oil.
On each drain plug - replaced the gasket (these are $2.5-$3 each on Amazon)
The above was for slightly less than $350 (about $175 per motor - but not exactly because the kicker takes less motor oil and lower unit grease than the main motor)
So figure there was like $75 in parts for each motor.
That leaves about $100 for the labor.
They get $75 per hour, which is not bad for a dealer.
Also, the $350 included NY sales tax, which would be about $28 of the $350
Which skews my numbers above slightly.
I got a very detailed reciept that I scanned and saved for my records.
It breaks down everything in detail.
I spent time last night looking it over again.
Everything looks acceptable.
Like I said, I was kind of surprised the prices they charged for the parts.
They were very close to what I'm going to spend on Amazon.
But I also know they don't pay what we do for these parts.
They get things in bulk, and they also get pricing discounts.
They sell parts then at list, making something on the parts too.
But I can do the job myself for less.
Because my time, like Bob's, isn't worth anything. :D
The big savings is the labor cost. For now.
Because in 4-5 years I won't have to winterize by boats anymore. 8)
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Ha if I had macs money I would let someone do my boat every year for that price.. ::) ;D ;D
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Here is what they did for the $350 -
stabilized my fuel in the tank - about 15-18 gallons
Fogged both motors
Pumped pink antifreeze thru each motor
Pulled props on each motor, inspected shaft seal and for any fishing line, etc., re-greased prop shafts
Drained lower unit grease
Pressure checked each lower unit (part of prop seal check above).
Filled lower units with new synthetic 80W-90 grease
Drained crankcase oil in each motor
changed oil filter on each motor
refilled each motor with 10W-30 synthetic oil.
On each drain plug - replaced the gasket (these are $2.5-$3 each on Amazon)
The above was for slightly less than $350 (about $175 per motor - but not exactly because the kicker takes less motor oil and lower unit grease than the main motor)
So figure there was like $75 in parts for each motor.
That leaves about $100 for the labor.
They get $75 per hour, which is not bad for a dealer.
Also, the $350 included NY sales tax, which would be about $28 of the $350
Which skews my numbers above slightly.
I got a very detailed reciept that I scanned and saved for my records.
It breaks down everything in detail.
I spent time last night looking it over again.
Everything looks acceptable.
Like I said, I was kind of surprised the prices they charged for the parts.
They were very close to what I'm going to spend on Amazon.
But I also know they don't pay what we do for these parts.
They get things in bulk, and they also get pricing discounts.
They sell parts then at list, making something on the parts too.
But I can do the job myself for less.
Because my time, like Bob's, isn't worth anything. :D
The big savings is the labor cost. For now.
Because in 4-5 years I won't have to winterize by boats anymore. 8)
This is exactly what I had done to my motor last year. It cost me $232.00 total, out the door. (northeast PA). Plus my hour+ drive, gas, breakfast and the wait.
I have to get this done yearly by a certified dealer due to the platinum warranty on my motor until 2019. Otherwise, I would probably do it myself.
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Money wasn't the issue and I have no issue with not doing it yourself. I have been looking at the Yamaha on-line videos for winterizing and they recommend changing the oil, changing the lower until grease, running some stabilized fuel, and fogging. Truth of the matter, that is about $60 worth of parts and an hour of time on my 25. I figured there had to be a lot more for the $350ish being quoted above.
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I was just bustin on mac... ;D
I do mine by myself for less than $50...
And that's with a water separator filter...
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This is exactly what I had done to my motor last year. It cost me $232.00 total, out the door. (northeast PA). Plus my hour+ drive, gas, breakfast and the wait.
I have to get this done yearly by a certified dealer due to the platinum warranty on my motor until 2019. Otherwise, I would probably do it myself.
Another reason I let the dealer do it the first 2 years.
My $200 this year includes premium Honda and Mercury parts.
Also includes a $35 shop manual for the Merc (I have one for the Honda kicker).
Also includes a lower unit grease pump and fittings for each motor.
The pump comes with the fitting for the merc, but the Honda lower unit grease fitting was $10.
I'm also buying a qt of fuel stabil, a gallon of lower unit grease, 2 cans of fogging oil, 2 extra qts of crankcase oil, and 2 extra lower unit plug gaskets.
So I will have materials left over that will lower future winterizing costs.
If I had to truly put a dollar figure on what it will cost me to do each motor - Merc @ $70 and Honda @ $60
You guys are far too silly and anal on this stuff.
I am NOT going to take photos.
:rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
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I are confused
Post #1= $572
Post#3= slightly less than $350
Post #9= $130
I'll admit that I'm not sure if you are bitching or bragging.
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I are confused
Post #1= $572
Post#3= slightly less than $350
Post #9= $130
I'll admit that I'm not sure if you are bitching or bragging.
Post #1 - My bill last year was for $572, but it included some non-winterizing work on the boat.
Post #3 - After pulling out the non-winterizing stuff, it was like $350.
Post #9 was Raquettedacker. and not sure where you got the $130 figure.
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Post #1 - My bill last year was for $572, but it included some non-winterizing work on the boat.
Post #3 - After pulling out the non-winterizing stuff, it was like $350.
Post #9 was Raquettedacker. and not sure where you got the $130 figure.
OK, found where you got $130.
$70 + $60 = $130
Those are the numbers I "think" it will cost me this year in parts to winterize my two motors.
$70 for the Merc
$60 for the Honda.
But I'm actually spending about $200 on things from amazon because I'm buying some extra stuff, like shop manual, extra grease and oil, etc.
Hope that helps.
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Gonna do the dirty deed tomorrow.
Makes me sad.
:'(
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All done.
Gonna get it into storage next weekend.
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My baby goes into winter storage tomorrow.
(sniff)
:'(
sux
Gotta do this for 4 more winters after this one..................and then I will never winterize again.
And no more of that STUUUUUPID drilling holes to catch fish crap either.
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My baby goes into winter storage tomorrow.
(sniff)
:'(
sux
Gotta do this for 4 more winters after this one..................and then I will never winterize again.
And no more of that STUUUUUPID drilling holes to catch fish crap either.
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Best fishing of the year right now!! When's the last time you drilled any kind of hole.......? :D
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Best fishing of the year right now!! When's the last time you drilled any kind of hole.......? :D
Last year - once with Jeff.
Yea, and each year I'm torn whether or not to wait and use the boat late into the season.
On one hand, glad the boat is winterized and away - the job is done.
But also sorry because it would be fun to use here and there until it really gets so bad (frozen) that you cannot launch the boat.
I have a 2.5 detached garage that is 2 cars deep on the right half.
And it's insulated and heated.
Full 85,000 BTU house furnace.
Great setup.
Nice place to keep a boat well into the cold months so it can occasionally be used.
But my youngest son Chris moved back home for a bit.
And all his furniture, etc. is out there and just about fills the garage.
So no room for the boat if I wanted to wait.
And certainly no warm place to winterize it later when the weather does turn to $hit.
Soooo..........best thing was to get er done.
But I can still b***h Greg.
;D
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Got both motors winterized on the Lund Saturday.
Took it to the storage facility yesterday.
3 more winters to do this.
Maybe 2 if I sell it sooner.
Got the place on the lake all winterized and closed up too.
Winter sucks canal water.
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Oil and lower unit changed out in both motors , fuel treated , motor fogged , water separator checked , all nuts and bolts sprayed on the trailer , graphs removed , lake reel drags relaxed , rods all socked, hatches all open to air out , washed and waxed , and back in the garage until spring ,
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It's getting close to shutting things down for this year.
We have a cruise scheduled for mid October.
So in the next few weeks I have to get it done and into storage.
Always kills me to do it so early, with all of the local perch fishing to be had.
But I simply don't want to come back from the cruise to be faced with it.
Same thing with our place on Lake Erie.
I'll close that up too.
2 more summers with the lake place then we will sell it.
3 more summers with the boat and then I'll sell that.
Afterwards, when we move to Florida, I will never have to winterize again.
8)
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Changed the lube in both lower units earlier today. Will change the crankcase oil and filters next weekend. Also purge each with pink stuff and fog each.
It’s over.
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Yep got to get mine done , and head for my fall shore casting
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I'm going in the other direction. I just put mine in the water for the first time this season yesterday. It felt good. I noticed the transom was getting soft last year. I've had the materials all year, just didn't get the time to do it with babysitting the grandkids and living at camp.
I finally got a couple of undisturbed days last week and went at it and got it all replaced.
Anyway, winterizing it will be quick because I went through everything all ready. Hopefully I'll get a few good weeks in before deer season starts.
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I wish you luck Doubles Shooter
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I wish you luck Doubles Shooter
Thanks for the good wishes.
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I've brought my Yamaha 8 horse in the house for the last two winters and it starts right up and runs like a top the following fishing season. Should I be doing more?
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I've brought my Yamaha 8 horse in the house for the last two winters and it starts right up and runs like a top the following fishing season. Should I be doing more?
If it's a 4stroke - change the oil in the crankcase and the oil filter.
Run the fuel out of it, or run some stabilized fuel in it before bringing it inside.
Change the lower unit grease and pull the prop and check it for fish line. Reinstall the prop.
Lastly, consider changing the water pump impeller.
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Also, grease the zero fitting on the tiller pivot shaft; if there is one.
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Thanks Mac!
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I run stabilizer on three fuel at all times, change oil and lower unit oil. Pull the prop and fear the shaft, grease the zercs on the motor. Then pull the spark plugs throw fogging oil in each cylinder. Mine is in an unheated garage but if it warms up I will use it in the winter. Making sure when I use it I lower the motor all the way down to get water out.
Fresh gas in the spring, start them in the driveway with the muffs, they will smoke a little bit otherwise no issues.
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Finished changing the oil and filters in the crankcase on each outboard.
Stabil in the tank.
My baby is all ready for storage.
:'(