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Mac Attack

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Winterizing
« on: Aug 30, 2016, 07:32 PM »
10 pages in this boat area and nothing on winterizing.
Saw one on changing lower unit grease, but that's only part of it.
Strange to say the least.
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Oh well, I figured it was about time to start this thread.

The past 2 winters I had the dealer do the job.
It's was a new Lund, and I have the cash............
But last year, with the kicker motor too, it ran $572.00
I had a few extras done, but this is still crazy when I know how to and can easily do the work.
So today I priced everything up on Amazon.
(I have Prime)  ;D

Even buying name brand oil, etc. everything ran me less than $150.00

Mac

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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #1 on: Aug 30, 2016, 08:43 PM »
$572....I'll do it for $400 ;D

It ain't an F-16 ya know!

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Mac Attack

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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #2 on: Aug 31, 2016, 06:19 AM »
$572....I'll do it for $400 ;D

It ain't an F-16 ya know!

Rg

Like I said, I had a lot of other stuff done too.
If I remove the extras, it was like $350
I had fuel filters on both engines replaced.
I also have a large water separator small micron filter in the main fuel line feeding both motors that I had replaced.
I also had them double up on my snaps on the trailering cover.
All of the charges were broken down last year and even look reasonable.
Even the parts were called out with part numbers on it.
And I used this to select the same part numbers on Amazon.
Amazon's prices were very close to theirs.  Very close!
The difference was in the labor cost, obviously.
They charge for theirs and I don't charge for mine.
And figuring that I have 2 motors on the boat, it's basically like winterizing 2 boats.
But some of the items can be used for both boats.
Like the can of fogging oil.
There's plenty in it to do more than one motor.
Might even get a few years out of it.

I have always done all of my own work over the years on my boats.
Especially the winterizing.
On this boat I chose to have them do it out of convenience and because I can afford it.
That time of year is hectic enough with closing up the place at the lake and other work related things.
But this year I have decided to go back to doing it myself.
And so last night I though about taking a look here to see what others have done, etc.
And I didn't find anything.
Crazy, as I said.
So I will document mine when I do it.
This way others here can see how it's done, and also how easy it really is.

I'm trying to be a nice guy Bob.

SO GIVE ME A FREEKIN BREAK!

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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #3 on: Aug 31, 2016, 06:29 AM »
I am the owner of a brand new 4 stroke so I read the winterizing threads carefully.  I have read this one 3 times and have figured out that you are a smart guy and have the money to have someone else winterize you outboards.  What I am trying to figure out is what they actually did to winterize your 2 outboards for $572 (or $350 if you remove the non-outboard stuff that you added and isn't needed)?  From what I read, they replaced a water separator filter, fuel filters, and fogged the cylinders?  I'll assume, which I should never do, that they also replaced the lower unit grease?? 

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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #4 on: Aug 31, 2016, 08:26 AM »
Here is what they did for the $350 -

stabilized my fuel in the tank - about 15-18 gallons
Fogged both motors
Pumped pink antifreeze thru each motor
Pulled props on each motor, inspected shaft seal and for any fishing line, etc., re-greased prop shafts
Drained lower unit grease
Pressure checked each lower unit (part of prop seal check above).
Filled lower units with new synthetic 80W-90 grease
Drained crankcase oil in each motor
changed oil filter on each motor
refilled each motor with 10W-30 synthetic oil.
On each drain plug - replaced the gasket (these are $2.5-$3 each on Amazon)


The above was for slightly less than $350 (about $175 per motor - but not exactly because the kicker takes less motor oil and lower unit grease than the main motor)
So figure there was like $75 in parts for each motor.
That leaves about $100 for the labor.
They get $75 per hour, which is not bad for a dealer.
Also, the $350 included NY sales tax, which would be about $28 of the $350
Which skews my numbers above slightly.

I got a very detailed reciept that I scanned and saved for my records.
It breaks down everything in detail.
I spent time last night looking it over again.
Everything looks acceptable.
Like I said, I was kind of surprised the prices they charged for the parts.
They were very close to what I'm going to spend on Amazon.
But I also know they don't pay what we do for these parts.
They get things in bulk, and they also get pricing discounts.
They sell parts then at list, making something on the parts too.

But I can do the job myself for less.

Because my time, like Bob's, isn't worth anything.    :D

The big savings is the labor cost.  For now.

Because in 4-5 years I won't have to winterize by boats anymore.   8)

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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #5 on: Aug 31, 2016, 01:24 PM »
Ha if I had macs money I would let someone do my boat every year for that price.. ::)      ;D ;D
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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #6 on: Aug 31, 2016, 01:59 PM »
Here is what they did for the $350 -

stabilized my fuel in the tank - about 15-18 gallons
Fogged both motors
Pumped pink antifreeze thru each motor
Pulled props on each motor, inspected shaft seal and for any fishing line, etc., re-greased prop shafts
Drained lower unit grease
Pressure checked each lower unit (part of prop seal check above).
Filled lower units with new synthetic 80W-90 grease
Drained crankcase oil in each motor
changed oil filter on each motor
refilled each motor with 10W-30 synthetic oil.
On each drain plug - replaced the gasket (these are $2.5-$3 each on Amazon)


The above was for slightly less than $350 (about $175 per motor - but not exactly because the kicker takes less motor oil and lower unit grease than the main motor)
So figure there was like $75 in parts for each motor.
That leaves about $100 for the labor.
They get $75 per hour, which is not bad for a dealer.
Also, the $350 included NY sales tax, which would be about $28 of the $350
Which skews my numbers above slightly.

I got a very detailed reciept that I scanned and saved for my records.
It breaks down everything in detail.
I spent time last night looking it over again.
Everything looks acceptable.
Like I said, I was kind of surprised the prices they charged for the parts.
They were very close to what I'm going to spend on Amazon.
But I also know they don't pay what we do for these parts.
They get things in bulk, and they also get pricing discounts.
They sell parts then at list, making something on the parts too.

But I can do the job myself for less.

Because my time, like Bob's, isn't worth anything.    :D

The big savings is the labor cost.  For now.

Because in 4-5 years I won't have to winterize by boats anymore.   8)

This is exactly what I had done to my motor last year. It cost me $232.00 total, out the door. (northeast PA). Plus my hour+ drive, gas, breakfast and the wait.
I have to get this done yearly by a certified dealer due to the platinum warranty on my motor until 2019. Otherwise, I would probably do it myself.


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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #7 on: Aug 31, 2016, 02:00 PM »
Money wasn't the issue and I have no issue with not doing it yourself.  I have been looking at the Yamaha on-line videos for winterizing and they recommend changing the oil, changing the lower until grease, running some stabilized fuel, and fogging.  Truth of the matter, that is about $60 worth of parts and an hour of time on my 25.  I figured there had to be a lot more for the $350ish being quoted above.

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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #8 on: Aug 31, 2016, 02:41 PM »
I was just  bustin on mac... ;D
I do mine by myself for less than $50...
And that's with a water separator filter...
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Mac Attack

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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #9 on: Aug 31, 2016, 03:32 PM »
This is exactly what I had done to my motor last year. It cost me $232.00 total, out the door. (northeast PA). Plus my hour+ drive, gas, breakfast and the wait.
I have to get this done yearly by a certified dealer due to the platinum warranty on my motor until 2019. Otherwise, I would probably do it myself.




Another reason I let the dealer do it the first 2 years.


My $200 this year includes premium Honda and Mercury parts.
Also includes a $35 shop manual for the Merc (I have one for the Honda kicker).
Also includes a lower unit grease pump and fittings for each motor.
The pump comes with the fitting for the merc, but the Honda lower unit grease fitting was $10.
I'm also buying a qt of fuel stabil, a gallon of lower unit grease, 2 cans of fogging oil, 2 extra qts of crankcase oil, and 2 extra lower unit plug gaskets.
So I will have materials left over that will lower future winterizing costs.
If I had to truly put a dollar figure on what it will cost me to do each motor - Merc @ $70 and Honda @ $60

You guys are far too silly and anal on this stuff.
I am NOT going to take photos.

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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #10 on: Aug 31, 2016, 04:40 PM »
I are confused

Post #1= $572
Post#3= slightly less than $350
Post #9= $130

I'll admit that I'm not sure if you are bitching or bragging.
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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #11 on: Aug 31, 2016, 06:32 PM »
I are confused

Post #1= $572
Post#3= slightly less than $350
Post #9= $130

I'll admit that I'm not sure if you are bitching or bragging.


Post #1 - My bill last year was for $572, but it included some non-winterizing work on the boat.
Post #3 - After pulling out the non-winterizing stuff, it was like $350.

Post #9 was Raquettedacker.  and not sure where you got the $130 figure.

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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #12 on: Aug 31, 2016, 06:37 PM »

Post #1 - My bill last year was for $572, but it included some non-winterizing work on the boat.
Post #3 - After pulling out the non-winterizing stuff, it was like $350.

Post #9 was Raquettedacker.  and not sure where you got the $130 figure.



OK, found where you got $130.
$70 + $60 = $130

Those are the numbers I "think" it will cost me this year in parts to winterize my two motors.
$70 for the Merc
$60 for the Honda.
But I'm actually spending about $200 on things from amazon because I'm buying some extra stuff, like shop manual, extra grease and oil, etc.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #13 on: Oct 14, 2016, 09:11 AM »
Gonna do the dirty deed tomorrow.
Makes me sad.

 :'(

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Re: Winterizing
« Reply #14 on: Oct 15, 2016, 06:04 PM »
All done.
Gonna get it into storage next weekend.

 



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