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Title: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: old man river on Mar 16, 2023, 07:35 AM
 
 AS SEEN ON FINGERS LAKES ONE NEWS

 MORE NEWS from SENECA LAKE

PFOS found in most Seneca Lake fish at hundreds of times NYS limit
•   March 14, 2023 4:35 AM
•     Peter Mantius
When the state tested    34 lake trout   and    yellow perch    from Seneca Lake for the toxic ‘forever chemical’ PFOS in 2020,
most were found to be contaminated at hundreds of times the state’s enforceable limit for identical compound in public drinking water.

 MY;  SOLUTION MORE FISH YOU EAT   SOONER OR LATER ,LESS THERE IS TO THE PROBLEM??     ::) :sick:
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: rgfixit on Mar 16, 2023, 04:37 PM
If it ain’t one thing…..it’s another.

Anyone who thinks they can live 73 years in this world ( like me as of today) and be free from any so called toxic substances, should probably never have been born.

But, that’s hard to do. We don’t have much choice of being born. That’s up to two other people.
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: piscesman on Mar 16, 2023, 06:19 PM
OK, I'm going out on a limb here. Let me know if I'm wrong. From what I have read and heard MOST states when they test fish for consumption don't test the whole fish with skin, guts and skin for these dangerous toxins. From what I understand NYS does. Why test the whole fish for this stuff when no one really eats the whole fish?? Could someone please enlighten me? Thanks.
      Kim
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: wertty on Mar 17, 2023, 07:04 AM
i have eaten fish from oneida and lake ontario for70 of 81 years at least i time a week! i still can climb io my tree stand  all though not as quick as when old shep was a pup  so eat a fish and forget the propaganda written by would be nay sayer. they mean well but i go by results i see  ME!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: Pequod1 on Mar 17, 2023, 07:12 AM
As best I can determine, here is a copy of the original abstract that was submitted for peer review.  Not really clearly stated as to whether they  ground up the entire fish or just the filet. I will reach out to a professor friend of mine for clarification and I have sent this professor an e mail.

(https://i.postimg.cc/zbzdSgM7/C38298-AF-2-FD0-4-EA2-B369-99-EE85477443.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zbzdSgM7)
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: Pequod1 on Mar 17, 2023, 07:51 AM
And, researching the guy further, he’s on a PFAS kick.  Dairy farms, sewage treatment plants, and just about all food containers including paper straws are contaminated.
This goes back to the 1940’s.  We all should have been dead years ago.
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: hinkydo on Mar 17, 2023, 08:34 AM
I have no lead in I disagree, maybe a little mercury. I also have eaten fish, mostly perch, at least once a week or more.
Still kicking and wanting to eat more, catch also. 

                                                                          hinkydo Fish On
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: reeleyz on Mar 17, 2023, 09:11 AM
i have eaten fish from oneida and lake ontario for70 of 81 years at least i time a week! i still can climb io my tree stand  all though not as quick as when old shep was a pup  so eat a fish and forget the propaganda written by would be nay sayer. they mean well but i go by results i see  ME!!!!!!!!

If I could live that long by eating fish then sign me up!!!  :thumbup_smilie:
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: KingPerch on Mar 17, 2023, 09:44 AM
I have consumed many fish from Our waters….. last years Dr visit and bloodwork showed negative results for any contaminates in my body. “ Eat all of the fish you want”!! Dr’s orders!! I believe I will!!🎣
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: icejohn on Mar 17, 2023, 10:12 AM
I'm kinda tired of hearing all the "alarmists" telling the world how contaminated our fish are...I'm 75 yrs old and some of my fishing buddies are around the same age or older and we all are still around, still hunting and fishing walk around in the woods without a walker, climbing treestands and as some have said eat at least 1 or more meals of fish per week. We usually eat fillets (although occasionally whole gills/crappie) and leave the belly meat off of the fish...I say eat fish and be healthy and happy!!
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: Pequod1 on Mar 17, 2023, 10:44 AM
I agree John.  I’m 74 and I know I have eaten fish at least twice/ week. 
I just got word back from the scientist in charge of the study.
To put all rumors to rest, NY does not use whole fish samples.  The samples are filets.  But, they leave the rib cage and belly meat on.  I got back to him and told him fishermen don’t do that.  I know for a fact that the belly flap has the fattiest tissue and that is where most of the contaminants are found. 
Unless they change their sampling technique, consider this bad science. Basically for show.
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: icejohn on Mar 17, 2023, 10:59 AM
You are right...that's why we don't include the belly meat and probably why we're still around but wonder even how much the rest of the science is as bad as they really say. Good to hear from you Jim hope you're doing well.
John
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: Pequod1 on Mar 18, 2023, 06:51 AM
Good to hear from you too John. We are both around and kicking after eating all those fish  ;D
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: icejohn on Mar 18, 2023, 07:40 AM
Absolutely...just hoping to find some open water fishing soon..
John
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: Old Timer on Mar 18, 2023, 01:39 PM
i have eaten fish from oneida and lake ontario for70 of 81 years at least i time a week! i still can climb io my tree stand  all though not as quick as when old shep was a pup  so eat a fish and forget the propaganda written by would be nay sayer. they mean well but i go by results i see  ME!!!!!!!!

I started eating fish from Oneida lake and Oneida Creek (above Oneida) when  I was weaned off pablum.  Still active fishing, gardening, hunting and such and will be 85 in 3 months.  Planning to live till I’m 100.   
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: Old Timer on Mar 18, 2023, 01:48 PM
There was a Doctor that lived in a cottage on OL next to ours. The mirex (spelling) in salmon  was the big thing. He told my dad “a woman called me about eating a salmon someone had given her husband. I told her if she was concerned to cut the belly flap off, if still concerned to cut the dark strip on the sides out, if still concerned , throw the fish away and tell me where you threw it”…. That was Dr. Zaia, he was painting his cottage at 100 (on a 40 ft ladder) he passed at 103.     
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: filetandrelease on Mar 18, 2023, 03:59 PM
 I went through the Lake Ontario mirex ,and  mercury scare , eaten fish out of lake my whole life , perch , smelt , bullheads salmon and trout
 Been on a few contaminated chemical sites over the years
 Was independently tested for heavy metals and hazardous chemicals well the results were 0000
 But then again I’m only a pup at 66
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: gotagetm on Mar 18, 2023, 04:05 PM
I don’t think toxins from fish are gonna hurt me…now all the OTHER toxins I voluntarily put in me in early years probably a different story lol
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: filetandrelease on Mar 18, 2023, 04:08 PM
I don’t think toxins from fish are gonna hurt me…now all the OTHER toxins I voluntarily put in me in early years probably a different story lol
I thought those were medicinal 😜
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: gotagetm on Mar 19, 2023, 05:54 AM
So did I at the time! Haha
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: hunts2long on Mar 19, 2023, 06:12 AM
All you "fish eaters" are making me feel old.

You even think it could be the "catching"....h2l
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: hinkydo on Mar 19, 2023, 08:55 AM
I am with all you fishing buddies, eat fish to live longer.

                                                                                     hinkydo Fish on and eat fish.
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: KingPerch on Mar 19, 2023, 12:48 PM
Controlling the perch population, one perch at a time!!!!!😁🎣
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: reeleyz on Mar 20, 2023, 05:45 AM
Controlling the perch population, one perch at a time!!!!!😁🎣

 ;D
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: greensider on Mar 20, 2023, 06:38 PM
Accomplished a goal today catching fish on some very old rods landed a 7 pound laker on an old squad glass rod and perch on that and a steel rod also check out how many plastic lures in the laker
(https://i.postimg.cc/BLJz9rJC/PXL-20230320-143302090.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLJz9rJC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zVQ4b2kJ/PXL-20230320-164325482.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zVQ4b2kJ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/R37YYSxF/PXL-20230320-194417342.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R37YYSxF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hhSkHdjq/PXL-20230320-231725487.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hhSkHdjq)
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: filetandrelease on Mar 20, 2023, 07:08 PM
 Nice going greensider I’m jealous , I’m  down for  a spell,  just had shoulder surgery , omg are those fish going to pay 😃
 You guys keep the pics coming as I so enjoy them 👍
 Some  baits  can’t be digested and passed
 And are not biodegradable
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: old man river on Mar 21, 2023, 03:56 AM
 ???   amazing what fish will eat
     nice photos NICE BLUE WATER background
  great catch on  perch
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: Flukeman on Mar 21, 2023, 08:24 AM
You won't have to worry about PFO'S OR PFA'S much longer. Yesterday our astute legislators we debating banning all waterproof clothing due to all waterproofing being in one category or the other. Hope you guys kept all your old heavy wool  ;D
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: old man river on Mar 21, 2023, 12:53 PM
    I just hope some  Bureaucrats or   PETA GROUP   isn't looking at this
    next thing  they will try and do   is to band use of all  types artificial baits
     :-X     SH SH SH
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: lowaccord66 on Mar 21, 2023, 02:26 PM
    I just some hope Bureaucrats or   PETA GROUP   isn't looking at this
    next thing  they will try and do   is to band use of all  types artificial baits
     :-X     SH SH SH

Montreal did that.
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: lowaccord66 on Mar 21, 2023, 02:27 PM
Nice going greensider I’m jealous , I’m  down for  a spell,  just had shoulder surgery , omg are those fish going to pay 😃
 You guys keep the pics coming as I so enjoy them 👍
 Some  baits  can’t be digested and passed
 And are not biodegradable

Wishing you a speedy recovery!
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: filetandrelease on Mar 21, 2023, 04:55 PM
Wishing you a speedy recovery!
Thanks , thought this was the time to get  it done before perch and eye season get rolling  ,
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: reeleyz on Mar 22, 2023, 03:57 AM
Thanks , thought this was the time to get  it done before perch and eye season get rolling  ,

Curious what surgery you had Fred? Both of my shoulders are slowly going downhill...
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: filetandrelease on Mar 22, 2023, 06:22 AM
Curious what surgery you had Fred? Both of my shoulders are slowly going downhill...
Went in for debridement , decompression, and rotator cuff repair , had a level 3 labrum tear , but I was lucky rotator was ok , on right shoulder
 Was in 3 years ago for impingement on left side which went very well,  was out and casting in a week 😃 this might take a little longer , it was done at SOS
 
 
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: iceman260 on Mar 22, 2023, 06:26 AM
Filet and release wishing you a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: reeleyz on Mar 22, 2023, 07:21 AM
Went in for debridement , decompression, and rotator cuff repair , had a level 3 labrum tear , but I was lucky rotator was ok , on right shoulder
 Was in 3 years ago for impingement on left side which went very well,  was out and casting in a week 😃 this might take a little longer , it was done at SOS

SOS did my mom's knee. I feel like my issue might be impingement as well. Bad posture sitting at a desk all day does not help.

Good luck with your recovery!
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: filetandrelease on Mar 22, 2023, 07:57 AM

 Don’t wait as it can cause more issues
Recovery is pretty fast , I was fishing and going to therapy 😜
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: Pequod1 on Mar 23, 2023, 03:29 AM
The best therapy is casting :D. Get better soon.
I had rotator surgery. You definitely don’t want that. 
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: taxid on Mar 23, 2023, 08:15 AM
I share the sentiments in this tread about overblowing dangers. Of course that doesn't mean we should keep dumping this stuff in our environment. I guess we could always do what the state of Florida did: up the maximum limits substantially.  :sick:

In 1900 the average life span in this country for males was 46.3, and for females was 48.3. And I don't believe that was averaging in child mortality which was quite high. My great grandmother on my father's side lost her first 3 children as toddlers to pathogens that no longer exist or we have vaccines for.

In 1998 the average life expectancy for males was 73.8 and 79.5 for females.

https://u.demog.berkeley.edu/~andrew/1918/figure2.html

Seems to me were are much better off now than we were 122+ years ago.

As a fish farmer I can tell you the mercury thing is overblown too. The amount or fish you would have to eat to suffer mercury poisoning is astronomical. The mercury advisements are exaggerated to be on the safe side.  I read a really good article on this by a couple of reputable scientists which strangely disappeared off the net.
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: icejohn on Mar 23, 2023, 06:54 PM
I share the sentiments in this tread about overblowing dangers. Of course that doesn't mean we should keep dumping this stuff in our environment. I guess we could always do what the state of Florida did: up the maximum limits substantially.  :sick:

In 1900 the average life span in this country for males was 46.3, and for females was 48.3. And I don't believe that was averaging in child mortality which was quite high. My great grandmother on my father's side lost her first 3 children as toddlers to pathogens that no longer exist or we have vaccines for.

In 1998 the average life expectancy for males was 73.8 and 79.5 for females.

https://u.demog.berkeley.edu/~andrew/1918/figure2.html

Seems to me were are much better off now than we were 122+ years ago.

As a fish farmer I can tell you the mercury thing is overblown too. The amount or fish you would have to eat to suffer mercury poisoning is astronomical. The mercury advisements are exaggerated to be on the safe side.  I read a really good article on this by a couple of reputable scientists which strangely disappeared off the net.
Thanks Cecil, I've been saying this for years and the Canadian scientists also were saying this as well...if anyone has a good insight on this it would be you.
Thanks for sharing,
John
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: regulator on Mar 24, 2023, 03:38 AM
Wow, check out the numbers for year 1918 https://u.demog.berkeley.edu/~andrew/1918/figure2.html

and read this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3734171/
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: trapper2000 on Mar 24, 2023, 02:14 PM
i have  had alot of    contaminates  in my  system  ,most i spent good money to get ........none  from eatting fish  ....brownies  could  be  a  different story


FRED  HEAL QUICK  BUDDY  WE GOT TROUT TO CATCH
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: taxid on Mar 26, 2023, 08:52 AM
Wow, check out the numbers for year 1918 https://u.demog.berkeley.edu/~andrew/1918/figure2.html

and read this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3734171/

Yeah that was an anomoly as far as pathogens go. It caused the immune systems of the younger stronger adults to work against them. OTOH a little know factor was the overuse of aspirin to allegedly combat the flu. The drug industry was pushing its use, and doctors were under pressure to "do something." People were given doses far exceeding what we today consider safe levels.

High aspirin dosing levels used to treat patients during the 1918-1919 pandemic are now known to cause, in some cases, toxicity and a dangerous build up of fluid in the lungs, which may have contributed to the incidence and severity of symptoms, bacterial infections, and mortality. Additionally, autopsy reports from 1918 are consistent with what we know today about the dangers of aspirin toxicity, as well as the expected viral causes of death.



https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091002132346.htm
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: trapper2000 on Mar 26, 2023, 09:12 AM
" no one gets out alive"
         jim morrison
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: old man river on Mar 26, 2023, 12:17 PM
     
  "THE CURE IS WORST THEN THE DISEASE
     The medical treatment for illness
    produces a worse net  result than the illness does "
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: trapper2000 on Mar 26, 2023, 06:38 PM
Large portions of both Lake Seneca and Lake Cayuga are classified by New York State as Class A. As such, the best usages of these waters are as “a source of water supply for drinking, culinary or food processing purposes; primary and secondary contact recreation; and fishing.....


Watershed Management
Seneca Lake is considered a highly-valued water resource due to its designation of a Class AA(TS) drinking water
supply, such that the water can be used as a potable source with limited treatment. The (TS) subdesignation refers
to the lake support of trout spawning. The inclusion of this waterbody on the DEC/DOW Priority Waterbodies
List as a Threatened water is a reflection of the particular resource value reflected in this designation and the need
to provide additional protection, rather than any specifically identified threats.
Seneca Lake is not included on the current (2016) NYS Section 303(d) List of Impaired/TMDL Waters. There
are no impacts/impairments that would justify the listing of this waterbody.

https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/water_pdf/fl17senecal.pdf (https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/water_pdf/fl17senecal.pdf)


end of story
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: taxid on Mar 26, 2023, 08:13 PM
     
  "THE CURE IS WORST THEN THE DISEASE
     The medical treatment for illness
    produces a worse net  result than the illness does "

Not sure if that's usually the case but I've seen it with chemo for cancer treatment.
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: reeleyz on Mar 27, 2023, 05:44 AM
Don’t wait as it can cause more issues
Recovery is pretty fast , I was fishing and going to therapy 😜

I have an appt. with SOS this week. Doesn't seem major but everything I read says don't wait!
Title: Re: SENECA LAKE BAD FISH
Post by: filetandrelease on Mar 27, 2023, 07:46 AM
I have an appt. with SOS this week. Doesn't seem major but everything I read says don't wait!
Now there are other options , surgery may not be necessary, PM sent