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MFF US Northeast => New York => Topic started by: old man river on Mar 16, 2023, 07:35 AM
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AS SEEN ON FINGERS LAKES ONE NEWS
MORE NEWS from SENECA LAKE
PFOS found in most Seneca Lake fish at hundreds of times NYS limit
• March 14, 2023 4:35 AM
• Peter Mantius
When the state tested 34 lake trout and yellow perch from Seneca Lake for the toxic ‘forever chemical’ PFOS in 2020,
most were found to be contaminated at hundreds of times the state’s enforceable limit for identical compound in public drinking water.
MY; SOLUTION MORE FISH YOU EAT SOONER OR LATER ,LESS THERE IS TO THE PROBLEM?? ::) :sick:
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If it ain’t one thing…..it’s another.
Anyone who thinks they can live 73 years in this world ( like me as of today) and be free from any so called toxic substances, should probably never have been born.
But, that’s hard to do. We don’t have much choice of being born. That’s up to two other people.
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OK, I'm going out on a limb here. Let me know if I'm wrong. From what I have read and heard MOST states when they test fish for consumption don't test the whole fish with skin, guts and skin for these dangerous toxins. From what I understand NYS does. Why test the whole fish for this stuff when no one really eats the whole fish?? Could someone please enlighten me? Thanks.
Kim
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i have eaten fish from oneida and lake ontario for70 of 81 years at least i time a week! i still can climb io my tree stand all though not as quick as when old shep was a pup so eat a fish and forget the propaganda written by would be nay sayer. they mean well but i go by results i see ME!!!!!!!!
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As best I can determine, here is a copy of the original abstract that was submitted for peer review. Not really clearly stated as to whether they ground up the entire fish or just the filet. I will reach out to a professor friend of mine for clarification and I have sent this professor an e mail.
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And, researching the guy further, he’s on a PFAS kick. Dairy farms, sewage treatment plants, and just about all food containers including paper straws are contaminated.
This goes back to the 1940’s. We all should have been dead years ago.
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I have no lead in I disagree, maybe a little mercury. I also have eaten fish, mostly perch, at least once a week or more.
Still kicking and wanting to eat more, catch also.
hinkydo Fish On
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i have eaten fish from oneida and lake ontario for70 of 81 years at least i time a week! i still can climb io my tree stand all though not as quick as when old shep was a pup so eat a fish and forget the propaganda written by would be nay sayer. they mean well but i go by results i see ME!!!!!!!!
If I could live that long by eating fish then sign me up!!! :thumbup_smilie:
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I have consumed many fish from Our waters….. last years Dr visit and bloodwork showed negative results for any contaminates in my body. “ Eat all of the fish you want”!! Dr’s orders!! I believe I will!!🎣
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I'm kinda tired of hearing all the "alarmists" telling the world how contaminated our fish are...I'm 75 yrs old and some of my fishing buddies are around the same age or older and we all are still around, still hunting and fishing walk around in the woods without a walker, climbing treestands and as some have said eat at least 1 or more meals of fish per week. We usually eat fillets (although occasionally whole gills/crappie) and leave the belly meat off of the fish...I say eat fish and be healthy and happy!!
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I agree John. I’m 74 and I know I have eaten fish at least twice/ week.
I just got word back from the scientist in charge of the study.
To put all rumors to rest, NY does not use whole fish samples. The samples are filets. But, they leave the rib cage and belly meat on. I got back to him and told him fishermen don’t do that. I know for a fact that the belly flap has the fattiest tissue and that is where most of the contaminants are found.
Unless they change their sampling technique, consider this bad science. Basically for show.
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You are right...that's why we don't include the belly meat and probably why we're still around but wonder even how much the rest of the science is as bad as they really say. Good to hear from you Jim hope you're doing well.
John
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Good to hear from you too John. We are both around and kicking after eating all those fish ;D
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Absolutely...just hoping to find some open water fishing soon..
John
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i have eaten fish from oneida and lake ontario for70 of 81 years at least i time a week! i still can climb io my tree stand all though not as quick as when old shep was a pup so eat a fish and forget the propaganda written by would be nay sayer. they mean well but i go by results i see ME!!!!!!!!
I started eating fish from Oneida lake and Oneida Creek (above Oneida) when I was weaned off pablum. Still active fishing, gardening, hunting and such and will be 85 in 3 months. Planning to live till I’m 100.
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There was a Doctor that lived in a cottage on OL next to ours. The mirex (spelling) in salmon was the big thing. He told my dad “a woman called me about eating a salmon someone had given her husband. I told her if she was concerned to cut the belly flap off, if still concerned to cut the dark strip on the sides out, if still concerned , throw the fish away and tell me where you threw it”…. That was Dr. Zaia, he was painting his cottage at 100 (on a 40 ft ladder) he passed at 103.
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I went through the Lake Ontario mirex ,and mercury scare , eaten fish out of lake my whole life , perch , smelt , bullheads salmon and trout
Been on a few contaminated chemical sites over the years
Was independently tested for heavy metals and hazardous chemicals well the results were 0000
But then again I’m only a pup at 66
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I don’t think toxins from fish are gonna hurt me…now all the OTHER toxins I voluntarily put in me in early years probably a different story lol
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I don’t think toxins from fish are gonna hurt me…now all the OTHER toxins I voluntarily put in me in early years probably a different story lol
I thought those were medicinal 😜
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So did I at the time! Haha
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All you "fish eaters" are making me feel old.
You even think it could be the "catching"....h2l
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I am with all you fishing buddies, eat fish to live longer.
hinkydo Fish on and eat fish.
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Controlling the perch population, one perch at a time!!!!!😁🎣
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Controlling the perch population, one perch at a time!!!!!😁🎣
;D
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Accomplished a goal today catching fish on some very old rods landed a 7 pound laker on an old squad glass rod and perch on that and a steel rod also check out how many plastic lures in the laker
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Nice going greensider I’m jealous , I’m down for a spell, just had shoulder surgery , omg are those fish going to pay 😃
You guys keep the pics coming as I so enjoy them 👍
Some baits can’t be digested and passed
And are not biodegradable
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??? amazing what fish will eat
nice photos NICE BLUE WATER background
great catch on perch
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You won't have to worry about PFO'S OR PFA'S much longer. Yesterday our astute legislators we debating banning all waterproof clothing due to all waterproofing being in one category or the other. Hope you guys kept all your old heavy wool ;D
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I just hope some Bureaucrats or PETA GROUP isn't looking at this
next thing they will try and do is to band use of all types artificial baits
:-X SH SH SH
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I just some hope Bureaucrats or PETA GROUP isn't looking at this
next thing they will try and do is to band use of all types artificial baits
:-X SH SH SH
Montreal did that.
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Nice going greensider I’m jealous , I’m down for a spell, just had shoulder surgery , omg are those fish going to pay 😃
You guys keep the pics coming as I so enjoy them 👍
Some baits can’t be digested and passed
And are not biodegradable
Wishing you a speedy recovery!
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Wishing you a speedy recovery!
Thanks , thought this was the time to get it done before perch and eye season get rolling ,
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Thanks , thought this was the time to get it done before perch and eye season get rolling ,
Curious what surgery you had Fred? Both of my shoulders are slowly going downhill...
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Curious what surgery you had Fred? Both of my shoulders are slowly going downhill...
Went in for debridement , decompression, and rotator cuff repair , had a level 3 labrum tear , but I was lucky rotator was ok , on right shoulder
Was in 3 years ago for impingement on left side which went very well, was out and casting in a week 😃 this might take a little longer , it was done at SOS
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Filet and release wishing you a speedy recovery.
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Went in for debridement , decompression, and rotator cuff repair , had a level 3 labrum tear , but I was lucky rotator was ok , on right shoulder
Was in 3 years ago for impingement on left side which went very well, was out and casting in a week 😃 this might take a little longer , it was done at SOS
SOS did my mom's knee. I feel like my issue might be impingement as well. Bad posture sitting at a desk all day does not help.
Good luck with your recovery!
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Don’t wait as it can cause more issues
Recovery is pretty fast , I was fishing and going to therapy 😜
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The best therapy is casting :D. Get better soon.
I had rotator surgery. You definitely don’t want that.
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I share the sentiments in this tread about overblowing dangers. Of course that doesn't mean we should keep dumping this stuff in our environment. I guess we could always do what the state of Florida did: up the maximum limits substantially. :sick:
In 1900 the average life span in this country for males was 46.3, and for females was 48.3. And I don't believe that was averaging in child mortality which was quite high. My great grandmother on my father's side lost her first 3 children as toddlers to pathogens that no longer exist or we have vaccines for.
In 1998 the average life expectancy for males was 73.8 and 79.5 for females.
https://u.demog.berkeley.edu/~andrew/1918/figure2.html
Seems to me were are much better off now than we were 122+ years ago.
As a fish farmer I can tell you the mercury thing is overblown too. The amount or fish you would have to eat to suffer mercury poisoning is astronomical. The mercury advisements are exaggerated to be on the safe side. I read a really good article on this by a couple of reputable scientists which strangely disappeared off the net.
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I share the sentiments in this tread about overblowing dangers. Of course that doesn't mean we should keep dumping this stuff in our environment. I guess we could always do what the state of Florida did: up the maximum limits substantially. :sick:
In 1900 the average life span in this country for males was 46.3, and for females was 48.3. And I don't believe that was averaging in child mortality which was quite high. My great grandmother on my father's side lost her first 3 children as toddlers to pathogens that no longer exist or we have vaccines for.
In 1998 the average life expectancy for males was 73.8 and 79.5 for females.
https://u.demog.berkeley.edu/~andrew/1918/figure2.html
Seems to me were are much better off now than we were 122+ years ago.
As a fish farmer I can tell you the mercury thing is overblown too. The amount or fish you would have to eat to suffer mercury poisoning is astronomical. The mercury advisements are exaggerated to be on the safe side. I read a really good article on this by a couple of reputable scientists which strangely disappeared off the net.
Thanks Cecil, I've been saying this for years and the Canadian scientists also were saying this as well...if anyone has a good insight on this it would be you.
Thanks for sharing,
John
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Wow, check out the numbers for year 1918 https://u.demog.berkeley.edu/~andrew/1918/figure2.html
and read this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3734171/
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i have had alot of contaminates in my system ,most i spent good money to get ........none from eatting fish ....brownies could be a different story
FRED HEAL QUICK BUDDY WE GOT TROUT TO CATCH
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Wow, check out the numbers for year 1918 https://u.demog.berkeley.edu/~andrew/1918/figure2.html
and read this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3734171/
Yeah that was an anomoly as far as pathogens go. It caused the immune systems of the younger stronger adults to work against them. OTOH a little know factor was the overuse of aspirin to allegedly combat the flu. The drug industry was pushing its use, and doctors were under pressure to "do something." People were given doses far exceeding what we today consider safe levels.
High aspirin dosing levels used to treat patients during the 1918-1919 pandemic are now known to cause, in some cases, toxicity and a dangerous build up of fluid in the lungs, which may have contributed to the incidence and severity of symptoms, bacterial infections, and mortality. Additionally, autopsy reports from 1918 are consistent with what we know today about the dangers of aspirin toxicity, as well as the expected viral causes of death.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091002132346.htm
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" no one gets out alive"
jim morrison
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"THE CURE IS WORST THEN THE DISEASE
The medical treatment for illness
produces a worse net result than the illness does "
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Large portions of both Lake Seneca and Lake Cayuga are classified by New York State as Class A. As such, the best usages of these waters are as “a source of water supply for drinking, culinary or food processing purposes; primary and secondary contact recreation; and fishing.....
Watershed Management
Seneca Lake is considered a highly-valued water resource due to its designation of a Class AA(TS) drinking water
supply, such that the water can be used as a potable source with limited treatment. The (TS) subdesignation refers
to the lake support of trout spawning. The inclusion of this waterbody on the DEC/DOW Priority Waterbodies
List as a Threatened water is a reflection of the particular resource value reflected in this designation and the need
to provide additional protection, rather than any specifically identified threats.
Seneca Lake is not included on the current (2016) NYS Section 303(d) List of Impaired/TMDL Waters. There
are no impacts/impairments that would justify the listing of this waterbody.
https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/water_pdf/fl17senecal.pdf (https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/water_pdf/fl17senecal.pdf)
end of story
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"THE CURE IS WORST THEN THE DISEASE
The medical treatment for illness
produces a worse net result than the illness does "
Not sure if that's usually the case but I've seen it with chemo for cancer treatment.
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Don’t wait as it can cause more issues
Recovery is pretty fast , I was fishing and going to therapy 😜
I have an appt. with SOS this week. Doesn't seem major but everything I read says don't wait!
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I have an appt. with SOS this week. Doesn't seem major but everything I read says don't wait!
Now there are other options , surgery may not be necessary, PM sent