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MFF US Northeast => New York => Topic started by: Mac Attack on Apr 26, 2019, 02:40 PM
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That's ridiculous, obviously not the first time.
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I agree most likely not the first time ,just first time getting caught
problem is catching fish by means other than angling , here for salmon carries about $100.00 fine and without a license isn’t a real biggie either , they will claim they don’t understand and get a slap on the wrist , but I hope that isn’t the case
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I agree, the punishment won't be enough. Even losing they're license won't be a deterrent to these types of people. They'll be back at it as soon as they can.
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:-\ Yar Sin. . Din Nu. .throw the book at them. . I'm not prejudice. . But. . Enough said. . :o
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They knew what they were doing
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We have that happen all the time here in SD with our Asian community. It gets old really fast
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So....this is something new?
Hopefully some tipster blew them in.
By the way, there's no ethnic association to poaching. So, let's not go that way. I've seen poachers from my own back yard.
Rg
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That is not only disgusting, it's somewhat confusing. Most of those perch are minnows, not any bigger than the smelt. Would they eat those somehow or were they just in too much of a hurry to sort them on the spot?
jperch
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Different cultures my friend. People who are used to buying groceries for a family on $15 a week will make use of any food source. And use it well.
It's hard to relate from a fat and happy American way of life.
Rg
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there is no quilt in a fat and happy American way of life! and ethnics might not play a part in poaching but orientation most certainly does ...we have all seen the women running fish while the men stay fishing ...this past week I personally seen snagging of pickerel... so use of a net ....I see it happening .....I seen over a 100 salmon run out of Oswego river by the women as the men stayed and fished for more ...we took pictures video even the pictures of the license plates called the DEC repeatedly and nothing was done ....100% true story ......
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That's too bad Trapper. I've called the TIPP line a few times and ECO's directly as well. They've always responded. I've also seen poachers in all shapes and sizes.
Last week at the bullhead pond I saw two guys tossing spinners and catching little largemouth. After they made two trips to the truck I hollered at them. They gave me some crap but put them back in the water then left the pond.
I have a friend who I've known for 40 years who regularly takes a limit of panfish and has them picked up so he can take another limit. It's a real problem for me. I can't bring myself to make a call. I just don't fish with him any more.
Rg
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hey you yelled at people and stopped them that's good we watched this go on in Oswego for days even the Brookfield river monitors witnessed and reported it along with Oswego city workers and no one came .....I was very disappointed .... and were not talking one fowl hooked fish they honestly took 30 fish out a day ....and honest fisherman were yelling at them
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Exactly Trapp. And it is a real big problem on the Niagara. I would very much like to see the restaurants in Toronto targeted along with their public market. I doubt that much of these fish are sold here but I could be wrong. But I don't doubt that a lot of it goes to the Canada side of our border. I have seen it personally.
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If you see something say something. . Friend or not their poaching. . ethnic associated. . Well may not. . But . . ::)
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If you see something say something. . Friend or not their poaching. . ethnic associated. . Well may not. . But . . ::)
I would never rat out a friend. Leave them to their non-ethical activity and move on.
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Exactly Trapp. And it is a real big problem on the Niagara. I would very much like to see the restaurants in Toronto targeted along with their public market. I doubt that much of these fish are sold here but I could be wrong. But I don't doubt that a lot of it goes to the Canada side of our border. I have seen it personally.
common knowledge the Russians pay big money for the eggs and fish too ......trouble is while they are ripping salmon out they take walleyes browns and rainbows with them ..... I think local police should help enforce these laws too .... or troopers ...it's new York state laws shouldn't all police enforce them ????
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If you see something say something. . Friend or not their poaching. . ethnic associated. . Well may not. . But . . ::)
slap them up side the head
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I’d blow in my own mother for poaching.... no need for it!! End of story!!!!
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Not "rat out a friend". . It's called guilty by association. . ???
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deadeyes you are exactly right ..... there is a huge black market for fish .....
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Not "rat out a friend". . It's called guilty by association. . ???
got not sure I have never witnessed any of my friends do anything illegal ...... it's just not worth it ....
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got not sure I have never witnessed any of my friends do anything illegal ...... it's just not worth it ....
Nor mine. The level of "poaching" you guys see and talk about is way above anything I'd ever see anyone I know or associate with would be involved in.
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I’d blow in my own mother for poaching.... no need for it!! End of story!!!!
Word!!! :afro:
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I would never rat out a friend. Leave them to their non-ethical activity and move on.
I'm couldn't call a person that poaches a friend - so I can't say turning them in ratting a 'friend' out. Its turning in a poacher.
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Different cultures my friend. People who are used to buying groceries for a family on $15 a week will make use of any food source. And use it well.
It's hard to relate from a fat and happy American way of life.
Rg
I'm not sure if that is the case here (it could be) - my guess is they have to be selling that amount of fish, not harvesting them to eat and feed their family. If they don't want to abide by our laws they need to go back to their own country (assuming they aren't American citizens).
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Easy to say guys....not easy to do. He's never done anything illegal when I was with him, but I know what goes on. Things are not always black and white.
Rg
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i poached bullheads :-[ sorry over my limit
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i poached bullheads :-[ sorry over my limit
I poached perch. Garlic, white wine, lemon juice.
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Sounds delicious...I wouldn't hesitate to poach your poached perch.....I think that makes sense🙄
Rg
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I haven't poached an egg in a long long time. I guess I saw the light.
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Went fishing last year and as I was putting my boat in the water a couple idiots showed me a bag of large mouth they had. Was before season. Put boat in and started fishing as I called Dec. Cop was there in about 15 minutes as I watched them put fish in back if truck. They got tickets it was great I was texting the officer the entire time. Got his direct number for next time can't wait to do it again. Can't stand idiots like those losers.
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why would anyone risk their license to keep a few out of season bass and then show them to a complete stranger???? good job steve
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why would anyone risk their license to keep a few out of season bass and then show them to a complete stranger???? good job steve
Cause them boys ain't too bright.
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Went fishing last year and as I was putting my boat in the water a couple idiots showed me a bag of large mouth they had. Was before season. Put boat in and started fishing as I called Dec. Cop was there in about 15 minutes as I watched them put fish in back if truck. They got tickets it was great I was texting the officer the entire time. Got his direct number for next time can't wait to do it again. Can't stand idiots like those losers.
..............then I came back in later to find all four tires on the truck and the 2 on the trailer slashed.
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good point
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..............then I came back in later to find all four tires on the truck and the 2 on the trailer slashed.
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The DEC officer would know who did it.😁 too easy!
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Not afraid of some idiot taking a knife to my tires when I'm watching the whole time. Cop said he already was there and gave one a ticket for no license. They were pretty dumb. There will be people there again this year keeping illegal fish so easy money for the state.
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Is there still no bag limit on bluegills on the finger lakes and that they can be sold? Or is that hopefully a thing of the past? I remember at one time when I was doing research for an article, that was the case as long as the species had no bag limit.
Conversely largemouth bass could not be sold for consumption even if they came from a indoor recirculating fish farm. However that has changed due to some lobbying. I guess the fear was LE couldn't tell the difference between pellet fed bass and wild bass. However it's actually quite easy for those of us that raise them and one can easily be trained to tell the difference.
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From the NYS DEC website.
Purchase and Sale of Fish
Fish that are salable at any time include:
Those species in the Statewide Angling Regulations table for which there is no closed season and no minimum length.
The following fish only if taken outside of New York State or if legally taken with licensed commercial gear: coho, Chinook and pink salmon, Atlantic salmon, lake trout, whitefish, pickerel, crappie, northern pike and walleye. Additional regulations may apply to the sale of these imported fish; contact a DEC regional office for more information. Exception: The American eel is the only fish taken from the Quebec portion of Lake Champlain and the Richelieu River that may be transported into and sold in New York State.
Fish that are non-salable are fish that have a minimum size limit or a closed season.
Exceptions:
Black bass, landlocked salmon, muskellunge and trout taken on a licensed fishing preserve or private hatchery and properly tagged or documented may be sold.
Sale of catfish taken in Lake Ontario and its tributaries upstream to the first barrier impassable by fish and in the St. Lawrence River is prohibited.
Sale of American eel from the Hudson, Harlem and East rivers is prohibited, except for use as bait.
Eggs taken from Chinook salmon and coho salmon caught in Lake Ontario, the St. Lawrence River, or their tributaries upstream to the first impassable barrier may be sold by only sport fishermen for use as bait.
Rg
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Interesting Rg and taxid. Crappie have a minimum size limit but seem to be sold?? Sunfish and Perch have a bag limit (except for Perch Jefferson Co.) but can be sold. Lets stir the pot some more.
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Interesting Rg and taxid. Crappie have a minimum size limit but seem to be sold?? Sunfish and Perch have a bag limit (except for Perch Jefferson Co.) but can be sold. Lets stir the pot some more.
OBM, I bet the regulations are written in that manner (referring to the size limit) on purpose. I can't think of any fish other than crappie that the regulation would apply to. I don't fish for them, but have read they have been over fished in small bodies of water during the spawn for the purpose of being sold. In the future, if the DEC wanted to prohibit the sale of perch all they would have to do is establish a minimum size limit, say 6 inches. That legislation might be easier for the DEC to enact, all this is just conjecture on my part.
jperch
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As I get older, I get more frustrated at these kind of things. If someone is feeding their family I get it. It's not right, but I get it. Often the cultural differences occur due to not understanding our model of conservation. It is unique and not practiced world wide. I've seen families harvesting 5 gallon buckets of emerald shiners. They salt and ferment them and add to all kinds of dishes. After a while I'm scratching my head wondering how much is enough? Do they sell them? Personal Consumption? I've watched people go crazy eyed when the smelt run was heavy. F-ING CRAZY!!! A van filled with 5 gallon buckets of smelt. Get them when you can they said. Those guys got busted, though. All walks of life doing stupider and stupider things...heck I've pulled a few stupid moves in my younger days. I sure am not proud of it. It still isn't right and it ain't worth it. Wegmans fish department sells anything I need if I'm not successful on the water. I can afford it now. Some can't. The rest are just not so smart.
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I sell fish....i dont care
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I sell fish....i dont care
sleeper!
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***censored****!!!
I did not type "sleeper"
I typed "person who sells themselves".
Rhymes with boar.
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Crappie can be osld if takes with licensed commercial gear. There's still a size and bag limit but no closed season. Gills and perch have a bag limit, no closed season and no size limit.
I have no problem with people selling their catch legally.
Rg
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I might as well stir the pot here...
Thoughts on a 25 fish limit on perch and gills/sunfish?
Personally 25 fish is plenty for me to clean in one shot.
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1 out of a hundred fishers keep a 50 fish limit. I'm ok with the limits as they are.
Rg
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you can't sell crappies from new York waters period ...legally you can sell crappies in new York that are taken from states that allow crappies to be sold ...Vermont you must have a Vermont license if a fish has a size and a limit you can not sell them
as far as a 25 limit on perch if you want to keep catching big Oneida lake hogs you don't want a smaller limit .... as far as numbers of fish there is no limit on perch in Chaumont bay it is the number one spot people go to catch perch to sell and it's been that way for many many years and it sure doesn't hurt the perch population there .......
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Chaumont is part of a huge lake, it would be tough to make much of a dent there.
If only 1 out 100 people are catching more than 25 perch then it shouldn’t negatively affect anything.....
I think about the people that aren’t retired and can’t fish everyday. I also think about getting people into the sport with license sales dropping in general.
It would not affect me either way. I don’t normally keep more than 25 anyway.
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1 out of a hundred fishers keep a 50 fish limit. I'm ok with the limits as they are.
Rg
We limited out all 10 days I fished this winter. We also limited out 17 days in November and we have limited out 4 days this spring so far on perch that's 3 guys 31 days that's 4650 perch since November that just 3 of us have taken out
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I've actually been saying for awhile that perch should be a 25 limit and 3 walleye on some heavily pressured local lakes. They get beat year round
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no
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Far as Ontario they have been catching big numbers of perch from my dads youth so that puts that well over 70 years , plus the netters and it’s still going strong ,
Like Bruce I’m not into cleaning a ton of fish , these days I’m a little more selective as I can go a little more often ,
Far as The perch market again this year was extremely poor as most likely will be next year and possibly the following , Erie is filling the majority of the perch market
And there is a limit on eyes in Ontario , 3 and 18”s
Oneida is a fickle girl , limit is fifty perch catching them consistently is difficult, eyes are 3 and 15” which are a put and take fish , just my .02
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Fish that are salable at any time include:
Those species in the Statewide Angling Regulations table for which there is no closed season and no minimum length.
The following fish only if taken outside of New York State or if legally taken with licensed commercial gear: coho, Chinook and pink salmon, Atlantic salmon, lake trout, whitefish, pickerel, crappie, northern pike and walleye. Additional regulations may apply to the sale of these imported fish; contact a DEC regional office for more information. Exception: The American eel is the only fish taken from the Quebec portion of Lake Champlain and the Richelieu River that may be transported into and sold in New York State.
I might be wrong but this reads that crappie can be osld under these conditions.
Rg
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We limited out all 10 days I fished this winter. We also limited out 17 days in November and we have limited out 4 days this spring so far on perch that's 3 guys 31 days that's 4650 perch since November that just 3 of us have taken out
Brings up an intesting point. 3 guys....near 4650 fish. Why does any individual need 1550 fish. At 8 oz. average, that's 775 lbs of fish. That's 130 lbs of fish a month for 6 months.
Y'all have some big appetites.
Rg
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I've often thought that NY possession laws should read more like Wisconsin laws where possession includes what's in the freezer. I believe in most of that state total possession in twice the daily bag limit.
Oh well....this has been an interesting discussion. I'm impressed it stayed so civil. Thank you all.
Rg
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Your right RG crappies can be brought in from another state and sold and you better have that states license , and from a state where it is legal to sell
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I've often thought that NY possession laws should read more like Wisconsin laws where possession includes what's in the freezer. I believe in most of that state total possession in twice the daily bag limit.
Oh well....this has been an interesting discussion. I'm impressed it stayed so civil. Thank you all.
Rg
Does Canada do that as well?
It would definitely cut down on freezer burned fish getting wasted.
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Brings up an intesting point. 3 guys....near 4650 fish. Why does any individual need 1550 fish. At 8 oz. average, that's 775 lbs of fish. That's 130 lbs of fish a month for 6 months.
Y'all have some big appetites.
Rg
I have 4 kids and a wife to feed we eat alot of fish and it never goes to waste. Never have thrown freezer burnt fish away it doesnt last long enough to get freezer burnt
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Fish that are salable at any time include:
The following fish only if taken outside of New York State or if legally taken with licensed commercial gear: coho, Chinook and pink salmon, Atlantic salmon, lake trout, whitefish, pickerel, crappie, northern pike and walleye. Additional regulations may apply to the sale of these imported fish; contact a DEC regional office for more information.
I might be wrong but this reads that crappie can be osld under these conditions.
Rg
reread RG and trust me I haave called and rechecked like every guy that ever sold fish ..... "only taken outside new York AND taken with commercial gear ..... there is NO commercial fishing for coho, Chinook and pink salmon, Atlantic salmon, lake trout, whitefish, pickerel, crappie, northern pike and walleye in new York waters
yeah I disagree with a limit on whats in my freezer , some folks fill up with perch and gills in the winter for the season now a 100 perch in your freezer is going to last a lot longer then a guy with a wife and 3 kids .....
my freezer is filled with venison and fish it's my life style as long as everything is harvested legally it should make no difference how much I store or give away .....
me personally I like Oneida lake just the way it is ..... how can we improve it??? well get rid of the scum bags at toad harbor and a few other places ....those are the people that give us all a bad name poaching and litter bugs.....
lake Ontario why change anything when you have a good supply of natural 10 pound plus walleyes???? why change anything when you can get a 50 ish limit of huge perch ????
i think you guys are crazy to think stupid stuff up like that .ya all need to fish more
brad shhhhhhh don't burn your spots
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Well done!
I don't ice fish any more, but this time of year I generally stock up for a couple fish frys. The gang at our neighborhood Wednesday happy hour chow them down. My Bride doesn't like fish so mostly I keep a few for myself. Although yesterday my son and I enjoyed my last catch of perch.
So....I'll have to go fishing again👍👍
Rg
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I have 4 kids and a wife to feed we eat alot of fish and it never goes to waste. Never have thrown freezer burnt fish away it doesnt last long enough to get freezer burnt
you don't need to explain what you do with your legally caught limit ....glad your family loves fish .... we been eatting so much bullheads and trout i think we are going to grow gills lol
EAT FISH LIVE LONGER
whats funny is if you hunt ad say your a trophy hunter people get mad at you and say they only support hunting for food .....if you fish to fill your freezor for food your looked down at and you should be a trophy fisherman :rotflol:
my moto kill it grill it fillet it fry it
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Well done!
I don't ice fish any more, but this time of year I generally stock up for a couple fish frys. The gang at our neighborhood Wednesday happy hour chow them down. My Bride doesn't like fish so mostly I keep a few for myself. Although yesterday my son and I enjoyed my last catch of perch.
So....I'll have to go fishing again👍👍
Rg
good job fill that freezor up while you can and have fish for a few fish frys ......and i like the grilled bullheads with salsa
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Trapp I for one try to stock my freezer with perch to carry me through til the next ice season , during the other three seasons I have other fish I like to chase after , and fish are never wasted in my home
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They are delicious cooked that way Trapper.
I'm sure you're right about the crappie and it's Just another vaguely written regulation. And....I'm not looking down on anyone. If it's legal, it's fine with me.
Rg
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I'll never blow up my spot trapper. I agree as long ass whatever I caught or shot legally I should be able to have as much as I want. Been stock piling also for a nice fish fry when my mom comes home in july as she lives in Florida and doesnt get perch nor walleye often anymore
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i'm going to try rock bass that way too ,i like grilled trout too
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i'm going to try rock bass that way too ,i like grilled trout too
Anyday now rockies should be in my spot
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Anyday now rockies should be in my spot
i took half bucket the other day
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i took half bucket the other day
A half a bucket of water :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol: :thumbup_smilie:
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A half a bucket of water :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol: :thumbup_smilie:
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Lmao 😜
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big guy's fish catching skills are so poor he puts pictures of snagged steelhead in here :rotflol:
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big guy's fish catching skills are so poor he puts pictures of snagged steelhead in here :rotflol:
lmao
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Omg 😜
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so anyone want to share some of their personal poaching experiences???? please feel free to give details including date time and what you did ....
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so anyone want to share some of their personal poaching experiences???? please feel free to give details including date time and what you did ....
Eggs?
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To many lines
hinkydo
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Over limit
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Wasn't even poaching (I don't think) several years ago was just packing up to leave when game warden came to count my bucket of sunnies.....I had a counter to count my fish so thought I was good....well not so much....he counted 53, apparently I miscounted....he wrote me a ticket and had to go to court in Moravia....judge was lenient and paid $50.
icejohn
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To many lines
hinkydo
Me 2
Once
Cost me $100
Back in the 80’s trolling in the ESLO Derby.
2 of us
Only allowed 2 rods per person.
Weren’t catching on 4 rods, so let’s put out a 5th.
8-10 miles out
Boom!!!
He came up alongside and asked if anyone was in the cuddy. I said no and then immediately remembered the 5th line.
Busted!!
My boat
My fine
Never again.
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I never got a fishing ticket or hunting ticket so I guess I can count ..dont have to worry about counting I gotta catch some first... :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:..not my fault the fish tried to spit my jig out after he ate it
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I never got a fishing ticket or hunting ticket so I guess I can count ..dont have to worry about counting I gotta catch some first... :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:..not my fault the fish tried to spit my jig out after he ate it
do you really want to talk about steelies again :laugh:
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do you really want to talk about steelies again :laugh:
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Sadly too many to name Trapper but I never got caught. Luckily we are way beyond the statute of limitations!
My father, as awesome as he was, had a loose interpretation of the fish and game laws so I learned some bad habits early on. What changed things for me was just hunting and fishing with some different people that were by the book.
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As a young man I was pretty wild ,I knew many in law enforcement through my dad , police and Econ officers helped steer me in the right direction , great guys with a boat load of patients
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Patients or patience? 😀
Rg
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LOL , I’m a better fisherman than spelling teacher🖍
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Well, they're both spelled correctly...just not quite interchangeable. However, those good people did cure you in a way.
Rg
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Had to clean the perch from yesterday. I'll hit the pond this afternoon.
Rg
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Oneida perch think the gobies are pretty tasty
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Sadly too many to name Trapper but I never got caught. Luckily we are way beyond the statute of limitations!
My father, as awesome as he was, had a loose interpretation of the fish and game laws so I learned some bad habits early on. What changed things for me was just hunting and fishing with some different people that were by the book.
That's how my grandfather was, great man, but had a very loose interpretation of fish and game laws.
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So what happened to Mr sin and Mr nu. .
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https://idfg.idaho.gov/blog/2019/04/snake-river-sturgeon-poachers-sentenced
Fines are never enough.
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I was lucky, other than rarely sneaking on some land that may or may not have been posted, depending on who you asked, ::) , my teachers (father and grandfather) were pretty straight forward when it come to follow the laws. To the best of my knowledge they never took more than they were allowed, or took anything out of season. Probably helped that neither were crazy about eating wild fish/game too much, and they knew if they brought a lot home their spouses would make them eat it. LOL
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Sadly too many to name Trapper but I never got caught. Luckily we are way beyond the statute of limitations!
My father, as awesome as he was, had a loose interpretation of the fish and game laws so I learned some bad habits early on. What changed things for me was just hunting and fishing with some different people that were by the book.
thank God I have never broken the law and I have a clean conscience....it is good to see some of you have changed from your unlawful ways ....however I will be keeping a eye on you all from now on! except Freddie ,I know he's as law abiding as me
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Your a good man Trapper :thumbup_smilie: :thumbup_smilie:
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AL I seen that big guy keep undersize blue gills at otisco!
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AL I seen that big guy keep undersize blue gills at otisco!
Your to funny trapper lol
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thank God I have never broken the law and I have a clean conscience....it is good to see some of you have changed from your unlawful ways ....however I will be keeping a eye on you all from now on! except Freddie ,I know he's as law abiding as me
Congrats on never breaking the speed limit, never turning right on red, and always using your signals! :rotflol: :w00t: :thumbup_smilie:
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A real poaching story
(https://i.postimg.cc/LqbcRmMc/IMG-1533.png) (https://postimg.cc/LqbcRmMc)
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Sorry it posted blurry but three guys from a fish market in nyc were busted on ashokan reservoir with 35 smallmouth out of season
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A real poaching story
(https://i.postimg.cc/LqbcRmMc/IMG-1533.png) (https://postimg.cc/LqbcRmMc)
Hang them.
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Congrats on never breaking the speed limit, never turning right on red, and always using your signals! :rotflol: :w00t: :thumbup_smilie:
why thank you! :rotflol:
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I was once told by a judge that "you can't back out of your driveway without breaking a law"....h2l
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why thank you! :rotflol:
What a good boy!
😇😇😇😇😇
Rg
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I agree most likely not the first time ,just first time getting caught
problem is catching fish by means other than angling , here for salmon carries about $100.00 fine and without a license isn’t a real biggie either , they will claim they don’t understand and get a slap on the wrist , but I hope that isn’t the case
I was at Burt Dam several times in October, and saw a whole family of locals, Mother, and two sons caught by under cover DEC guys for snagging, not once, but three weeks in a row. This family I must note all had mental health problems. I happened to watch this event. The DEC Officers wrote them up for erratic pole movement, called snagging. Due to their mental health problems, it appeared that they could not comprehend the gravity of the violations, nor the fact that the two DEC guys explaned what the legal process was, and that they will have to pay fines of 250.00 each.When you see this 3 times you start to wonder if there is a way to reach these people!
I personally tried to school this group twice at Burt Dam as to what they were doing wrong, evidentally my teaching failed. But I tried. The DEC guys are not school teachers, and should not be! 8)
Although ignorance is no defense, there are people out there in society who can't comprehend the written law, and still fish. Nationality, and immigration status as in this Niagara River case, is also no excuse or defense either.
Generally, the amount of fine for any DEC fishing or hunting violation is set by the court judge, with imput from the ticket writing officer. The judge can do as he/ she pleases, but in most cases, the DEC guidelines are met.
I , along with many other sportsmen will be watching this case closely
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legally if a person is mentally handycapped they are not held responcable but purhaps the judge will be able to explain the problem with thier actions ....i don't consider that poaching nor even a crime
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The Niagara river perch case. It could run into the thousands. Under our Fish and Wildlife law, each fish over a limit or out of season could be written up as separate charge, so it could be possible that 3000 + charges could presented to the court with a maximum penalty of $250.00 per charge. The problem is that most judges would throw you and the charges out of court. Back in my day I would charge them with 10 charges, explain to the judge that I was being more than reasonable and see what would happen.
I had a case where I received a tip that a man was with his family shore fishing Keuka Inlet at Branchport. The largemouth bass were in spawning and he had taken 6 large bass that were flopping around in the dust in the trunk of his car. He states that he was going to take them to a pond in Wayne county. So this guy really becomes very nasty to the point of wanting to go a round or two. So I cuff him and stuff him and take him to the local judge with wife and children following. I charged him with 6 separate charges and the judge fines him $600.00 (this was back in the 60's)--now he states to the judge "send me to jail and the county can pay for my family" so it came to pass that I delivered him to the Yates co. jail. Guess he did not like our accommodations as the next day he called a friend to deliver the fine money so he could go home.
Yes if you have good judges it can serve as a deterrent !!
Yep, the old possum cop is back !!
y'all have a great spring and summer.
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ecolt great to see you back