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Title: Poaching
Post by: Mac Attack on Apr 26, 2019, 02:40 PM
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Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: meandcuznalfy on Apr 26, 2019, 02:51 PM
That's ridiculous, obviously not the first time.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: filetandrelease on Apr 26, 2019, 02:56 PM
I agree most likely not the first time ,just first time getting caught
  problem is catching fish by means other than angling , here for salmon carries about $100.00 fine and without a license isn’t a real biggie either , they will claim they don’t understand and get a slap on the wrist , but I hope that isn’t the case
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: meandcuznalfy on Apr 26, 2019, 04:00 PM
I agree, the punishment won't be enough. Even losing they're license won't be a deterrent to these types of people. They'll be back at it as soon as they can.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: got em on Apr 26, 2019, 06:56 PM
   :-\ Yar Sin. . Din Nu. .throw the book at them. . I'm not prejudice. . But. .  Enough said. .  :o
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: big_guy_13021 on Apr 26, 2019, 07:04 PM
They knew what they were doing
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Bowmandan on Apr 26, 2019, 07:11 PM
We have that happen all the time here in SD with our Asian community.   It gets old really fast
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 26, 2019, 07:31 PM
So....this is something new?
Hopefully some tipster blew them in.

By the way, there's no ethnic association to poaching. So, let's not go that way. I've seen poachers from my own back yard.

Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: jperch on Apr 26, 2019, 07:35 PM
That is not only disgusting, it's somewhat confusing.  Most of those perch are minnows, not any bigger than the smelt.  Would they eat those somehow or were they just in too much of a hurry to sort them on the spot?
jperch
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 26, 2019, 07:41 PM
Different cultures my friend. People who are used to buying groceries for a family on $15 a week will make use of any food source. And use it well.

It's hard to relate from a fat and happy American way of life.

Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 26, 2019, 09:13 PM
there is no quilt in a fat and happy American way of life!  and ethnics might not play a part in poaching but orientation most certainly  does ...we have all seen the women running fish while the men stay fishing ...this past week I personally seen  snagging of pickerel... so use of a  net ....I see it happening .....I seen over a 100 salmon   run out of Oswego river by the women as the men stayed and fished for more ...we took pictures video even the pictures of the license plates called the DEC repeatedly and nothing was done  ....100% true story ......
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 27, 2019, 03:12 AM
That's too bad Trapper. I've called the TIPP line a few times and ECO's directly as well. They've always responded. I've also seen poachers in all shapes and sizes.

Last week at the bullhead pond I saw two guys tossing spinners and catching little largemouth. After they made two trips to the truck I hollered at them. They gave me some crap but put them back in the water then left the pond.

I have a friend who I've known for 40 years who regularly takes a limit of panfish and has them picked up so he can take another limit. It's a real problem for me. I can't bring myself to make a call. I just don't fish with him any more.

Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 27, 2019, 06:45 AM
hey you yelled at people and stopped them that's good   we watched this go on in Oswego for days  even the Brookfield river monitors witnessed and reported it along with Oswego city workers and no one came .....I was very disappointed .... and were not talking one fowl hooked fish they honestly took 30 fish out a day ....and honest fisherman were yelling at them
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Pequod1 on Apr 27, 2019, 06:46 AM
Exactly Trapp. And it is a real big problem on the Niagara. I would very much like to see the restaurants in Toronto targeted along with their public market. I doubt that much of these fish are sold here but I could be wrong. But I don't doubt that a lot of it goes to the Canada side of our border. I have seen it personally.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: got em on Apr 27, 2019, 06:49 AM
If you see something say something. . Friend or not their poaching. . ethnic associated. . Well may not. . But . .  ::)
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: SizeMatters on Apr 27, 2019, 07:06 AM
If you see something say something. . Friend or not their poaching. . ethnic associated. . Well may not. . But . .  ::)
I would never rat out a friend.  Leave them to their non-ethical activity and move on. 
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 27, 2019, 07:43 AM
Exactly Trapp. And it is a real big problem on the Niagara. I would very much like to see the restaurants in Toronto targeted along with their public market. I doubt that much of these fish are sold here but I could be wrong. But I don't doubt that a lot of it goes to the Canada side of our border. I have seen it personally.

common knowledge   the Russians  pay big money  for the  eggs  and fish too ......trouble  is  while they are  ripping salmon out they take  walleyes   browns and  rainbows  with them  ..... I think local  police  should help enforce  these laws too  .... or troopers  ...it's  new  York state  laws  shouldn't all police enforce them ????
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 27, 2019, 07:44 AM
If you see something say something. . Friend or not their poaching. . ethnic associated. . Well may not. . But . .  ::)

slap them up side the head
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: KingPerch on Apr 27, 2019, 07:52 AM
I’d blow in my own mother for poaching.... no need for it!! End of story!!!!
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: got em on Apr 27, 2019, 08:04 AM
Not "rat out a friend". . It's called guilty by association. .  ???
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 27, 2019, 08:05 AM
deadeyes you are  exactly right ..... there is a huge black market for fish .....
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 27, 2019, 08:08 AM
Not "rat out a friend". . It's called guilty by association. .  ???

got not sure I have never witnessed  any of my friends do anything  illegal ...... it's just not worth it ....
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: SizeMatters on Apr 27, 2019, 08:38 AM
got not sure I have never witnessed  any of my friends do anything  illegal ...... it's just not worth it ....
Nor mine.  The level of "poaching" you guys see and talk about is way above anything I'd ever see anyone I know or associate with would be involved in.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: reeleyz on Apr 27, 2019, 08:46 AM
I’d blow in my own mother for poaching.... no need for it!! End of story!!!!

Word!!!  :afro:
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: bbfrogger on Apr 27, 2019, 08:51 AM
I would never rat out a friend.  Leave them to their non-ethical activity and move on.

I'm couldn't call a person that poaches a friend - so I can't say turning them in ratting a 'friend' out.  Its turning in a poacher.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: bbfrogger on Apr 27, 2019, 08:56 AM
Different cultures my friend. People who are used to buying groceries for a family on $15 a week will make use of any food source. And use it well.

It's hard to relate from a fat and happy American way of life.

Rg

I'm not sure if that is the case here (it could be) - my guess is they have to be selling that amount of fish, not harvesting them to eat and feed their family.  If they don't want to abide by our laws they need to go back to their own country (assuming they aren't American citizens).
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 27, 2019, 10:03 AM
Easy to say guys....not easy to do. He's never done anything illegal when I was with him, but I know what goes on. Things are not always black and white.

Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 27, 2019, 04:03 PM
i poached bullheads  :-[ sorry  over my limit
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: SizeMatters on Apr 27, 2019, 04:34 PM
i poached bullheads  :-[ sorry  over my limit
I poached perch.  Garlic, white wine, lemon juice.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 27, 2019, 04:38 PM
Sounds delicious...I wouldn't hesitate to poach your poached perch.....I think that makes sense🙄

Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: taxid on Apr 27, 2019, 05:13 PM
I haven't poached an egg in a long long time. I guess I saw the light.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: LP Steve on Apr 27, 2019, 07:25 PM
Went fishing last year and as I was putting my boat in the water a couple idiots showed me a bag of large mouth they had. Was before season. Put boat in and started fishing as I called Dec. Cop was there in about 15 minutes as I watched them put fish in back if truck. They got tickets it was great I was texting the officer the entire time. Got his direct number for next time can't wait to do it again. Can't stand idiots like those losers.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 27, 2019, 08:04 PM
why would  anyone  risk their  license  to keep a few out of season bass and then show them to a complete stranger???? good job steve 
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: meandcuznalfy on Apr 27, 2019, 08:23 PM
why would  anyone  risk their  license  to keep a few out of season bass and then show them to a complete stranger???? good job steve
Cause them boys ain't too bright.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Mac Attack on Apr 27, 2019, 08:35 PM
Went fishing last year and as I was putting my boat in the water a couple idiots showed me a bag of large mouth they had. Was before season. Put boat in and started fishing as I called Dec. Cop was there in about 15 minutes as I watched them put fish in back if truck. They got tickets it was great I was texting the officer the entire time. Got his direct number for next time can't wait to do it again. Can't stand idiots like those losers.


..............then I came back in later to find all four tires on the truck and the 2 on the trailer slashed.


 :whistling:
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 27, 2019, 08:46 PM
good point
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: KingPerch on Apr 28, 2019, 07:38 AM

..............then I came back in later to find all four tires on the truck and the 2 on the trailer slashed.


 :whistling:
The DEC officer would know who did it.😁 too easy!
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: LP Steve on Apr 28, 2019, 07:54 AM
Not afraid of some idiot taking a knife to my tires when I'm watching the whole time. Cop said he already was there and gave one a ticket for no license. They were pretty dumb. There will be people there again this year keeping illegal fish so easy money for the state.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: taxid on Apr 28, 2019, 09:12 AM
Is there still no bag limit on bluegills on the finger lakes and that they can be sold? Or is that hopefully a thing of the past? I remember at one time when I was doing research for an article, that was the case as long as the species had no bag limit.

Conversely largemouth bass could not be sold for consumption even if they came from a indoor recirculating fish farm. However that has changed due to some lobbying. I guess the fear was LE couldn't tell the difference between pellet fed bass and wild bass. However it's actually quite easy for those of us that raise them and one can easily be trained to tell the difference.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 28, 2019, 10:04 AM
From the NYS DEC website.

Purchase and Sale of Fish
Fish that are salable at any time include:

Those species in the Statewide Angling Regulations table for which there is no closed season and no minimum length.
The following fish only if taken outside of New York State or if legally taken with licensed commercial gear: coho, Chinook and pink salmon, Atlantic salmon, lake trout, whitefish, pickerel, crappie, northern pike and walleye. Additional regulations may apply to the sale of these imported fish; contact a DEC regional office for more information. Exception: The American eel is the only fish taken from the Quebec portion of Lake Champlain and the Richelieu River that may be transported into and sold in New York State.
Fish that are non-salable are fish that have a minimum size limit or a closed season.

Exceptions:

Black bass, landlocked salmon, muskellunge and trout taken on a licensed fishing preserve or private hatchery and properly tagged or documented may be sold.
Sale of catfish taken in Lake Ontario and its tributaries upstream to the first barrier impassable by fish and in the St. Lawrence River is prohibited.
Sale of American eel from the Hudson, Harlem and East rivers is prohibited, except for use as bait.
Eggs taken from Chinook salmon and coho salmon caught in Lake Ontario, the St. Lawrence River, or their tributaries upstream to the first impassable barrier may be sold by only sport fishermen for use as bait.

Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: OneBucketMike on Apr 28, 2019, 10:52 AM
Interesting Rg and taxid. Crappie have a minimum size limit but seem to be sold?? Sunfish and Perch have a bag limit (except for Perch Jefferson Co.) but can be sold. Lets stir the pot some more.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: jperch on Apr 28, 2019, 11:36 AM
Interesting Rg and taxid. Crappie have a minimum size limit but seem to be sold?? Sunfish and Perch have a bag limit (except for Perch Jefferson Co.) but can be sold. Lets stir the pot some more.
OBM, I bet the regulations are written in that manner (referring to the size limit) on purpose.  I can't think of any fish other than crappie that the regulation would apply to.  I don't fish for them, but have read they have been over fished in small bodies of water during the spawn for the purpose of being sold.  In the future, if the DEC wanted to prohibit the sale of perch all they would have to do is establish a minimum size limit, say 6 inches.  That legislation might be easier for the DEC to enact, all this is just conjecture on my part.
jperch
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: zadvorney on Apr 28, 2019, 01:04 PM
As I get older, I get more frustrated at these kind of things.  If someone is feeding their family I get it.  It's not right, but I get it.  Often the cultural differences occur due to not understanding our model of conservation.  It is unique and not practiced world wide.  I've seen families harvesting 5 gallon buckets of emerald shiners.  They salt and ferment them and add to all kinds of dishes. After a while I'm scratching my head wondering how much is enough?  Do they sell them?  Personal Consumption? I've watched people go crazy eyed when the smelt run was heavy.  F-ING CRAZY!!! A van filled with 5 gallon buckets of smelt.  Get them when you can they said.  Those guys got busted, though.  All walks of life doing stupider and stupider things...heck I've pulled a few stupid moves in my younger days.  I sure am not proud of it.  It still isn't right and it ain't worth it. Wegmans fish department sells anything I need if I'm not successful on the water.  I can afford it now. Some can't. The rest are just not so smart. 
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 28, 2019, 03:25 PM
I sell fish....i dont care
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Mac Attack on Apr 28, 2019, 04:20 PM
I sell fish....i dont care

sleeper!

 :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Mac Attack on Apr 28, 2019, 04:22 PM
***censored****!!!

I did not type "sleeper"

I typed "person who sells themselves".

Rhymes with boar.

 ;)
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 28, 2019, 04:53 PM
Crappie can be osld if takes with licensed commercial gear. There's still a size and bag limit but no closed season. Gills and perch have a bag limit, no closed season and no size limit.

I have no problem with people selling their catch legally.

Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: reeleyz on Apr 28, 2019, 06:14 PM
I might as well stir the pot here...

Thoughts on a 25 fish limit on perch and gills/sunfish?

Personally 25 fish is plenty for me to clean in one shot.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 28, 2019, 06:22 PM
1 out of a hundred fishers keep a 50 fish limit. I'm ok with the limits as they are.

Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 28, 2019, 07:00 PM
you can't  sell  crappies from new  York waters  period  ...legally you can sell  crappies in  new  York  that are taken from states that allow crappies to be sold  ...Vermont  you must have a  Vermont license  if  a  fish  has  a  size   and  a limit  you can not  sell them

as  far as  a  25  limit on perch   if  you want to keep catching  big  Oneida lake hogs  you don't want a smaller  limit ....  as  far as  numbers of  fish there is  no limit on perch in Chaumont bay it is the  number one spot  people  go  to  catch perch to sell and it's  been that way  for many many years and  it  sure doesn't hurt the perch population there .......
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: reeleyz on Apr 28, 2019, 07:42 PM
Chaumont is part of a huge lake, it would be tough to make much of a dent there.

If only 1 out 100 people are catching more than 25 perch then it shouldn’t negatively affect anything.....

I think about the people that aren’t retired and can’t fish everyday. I also think about getting people into the sport with license sales dropping in general.

It would not affect me either way. I don’t normally keep more than 25 anyway.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Apr 28, 2019, 07:50 PM
1 out of a hundred fishers keep a 50 fish limit. I'm ok with the limits as they are.

Rg

We limited out all 10 days I fished this winter. We also limited out 17 days in November and we have limited out 4 days this spring so far on perch that's 3 guys 31 days that's 4650 perch since November that just 3 of us have taken out

Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: fishin4eyes on Apr 28, 2019, 07:56 PM
I've actually been saying for awhile that perch should be a 25 limit and 3 walleye on some heavily pressured local lakes. They get beat year round
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Mac Attack on Apr 28, 2019, 08:24 PM
no
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: filetandrelease on Apr 28, 2019, 10:33 PM
Far as Ontario they have been catching big numbers of perch from my dads youth so that puts that well over 70 years , plus the netters and it’s still going strong ,
 Like Bruce I’m not into cleaning a ton of fish , these days I’m a little more selective as I can go a little more often ,
 Far as The perch market again this year was extremely poor as most likely will be next year and possibly the following , Erie is filling the majority of the perch market
 And there is a limit on eyes in Ontario , 3 and 18”s   
  Oneida is a fickle girl , limit is fifty perch catching them consistently is difficult, eyes are 3 and  15” which are a put and take  fish , just my .02
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 29, 2019, 03:36 AM
Fish that are salable at any time include:

Those species in the Statewide Angling Regulations table for which there is no closed season and no minimum length.
The following fish only if taken outside of New York State or if legally taken with licensed commercial gear: coho, Chinook and pink salmon, Atlantic salmon, lake trout, whitefish, pickerel, crappie, northern pike and walleye. Additional regulations may apply to the sale of these imported fish; contact a DEC regional office for more information. Exception: The American eel is the only fish taken from the Quebec portion of Lake Champlain and the Richelieu River that may be transported into and sold in New York State.

I might be wrong but this reads that crappie can be osld under these conditions.

Rg

Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 29, 2019, 03:56 AM
We limited out all 10 days I fished this winter. We also limited out 17 days in November and we have limited out 4 days this spring so far on perch that's 3 guys 31 days that's 4650 perch since November that just 3 of us have taken out

Brings up an intesting point. 3 guys....near 4650 fish. Why does any individual need 1550 fish. At 8 oz. average, that's 775 lbs of fish.  That's 130 lbs of fish a month for 6 months.

Y'all have some big appetites.

Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 29, 2019, 04:01 AM
I've often thought that NY possession laws should read more like Wisconsin laws where possession includes what's in the freezer. I believe in most of that state total possession in twice the daily bag limit.

Oh well....this has been an interesting discussion. I'm impressed it stayed so civil. Thank you all.

Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: filetandrelease on Apr 29, 2019, 04:15 AM

Your right RG crappies can be brought in from another state and sold and you better have that states license , and from a state where it is legal to sell
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: reeleyz on Apr 29, 2019, 05:11 AM
I've often thought that NY possession laws should read more like Wisconsin laws where possession includes what's in the freezer. I believe in most of that state total possession in twice the daily bag limit.

Oh well....this has been an interesting discussion. I'm impressed it stayed so civil. Thank you all.

Rg

Does Canada do that as well?

It would definitely cut down on freezer burned fish getting wasted.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Apr 29, 2019, 05:21 AM
Brings up an intesting point. 3 guys....near 4650 fish. Why does any individual need 1550 fish. At 8 oz. average, that's 775 lbs of fish.  That's 130 lbs of fish a month for 6 months.

Y'all have some big appetites.

Rg


I have 4 kids and a wife to feed we eat alot of fish and it never goes to waste. Never have thrown freezer burnt fish away it doesnt last long enough to get freezer burnt
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 29, 2019, 05:32 AM
Fish that are salable at any time include:


The following fish only if taken outside of New York State or if legally taken with licensed commercial gear: coho, Chinook and pink salmon, Atlantic salmon, lake trout, whitefish, pickerel, crappie, northern pike and walleye. Additional regulations may apply to the sale of these imported fish; contact a DEC regional office for more information.

I might be wrong but this reads that crappie can be osld under these conditions.

Rg

 reread  RG and trust me  I haave  called  and  rechecked  like  every  guy that ever sold  fish ..... "only taken outside  new York  AND taken  with commercial gear ..... there is  NO commercial  fishing  for  coho, Chinook and pink salmon, Atlantic salmon, lake trout, whitefish, pickerel, crappie, northern pike and walleye in  new  York waters



yeah  I disagree  with a   limit on whats in my freezer ,  some  folks fill up with perch and  gills in the  winter for  the  season  now  a  100 perch in your  freezer is  going to  last a lot longer then a  guy with a wife and 3 kids .....

my freezer is  filled  with  venison and  fish   it's my  life  style  as long as  everything is harvested  legally  it  should make  no difference  how much I store  or give away .....

me personally I like Oneida lake  just the  way it is  ..... how  can we  improve it???  well get rid of the  scum bags  at toad harbor and  a few other places ....those  are the people that give us all a  bad name poaching and litter bugs.....

lake  Ontario  why  change  anything when you have  a  good  supply of  natural  10 pound plus walleyes???? why change  anything when  you  can   get  a 50 ish limit of  huge perch ????

i think you guys  are  crazy to think  stupid  stuff up like that .ya all need  to  fish more

brad  shhhhhhh  don't  burn your  spots
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 29, 2019, 05:37 AM
Well done!

I don't ice fish any more, but this time of year I generally stock up for a couple fish frys. The gang at our neighborhood Wednesday happy hour chow them down. My Bride doesn't like fish so mostly I keep a few for myself. Although yesterday my son and I enjoyed my last catch of perch.

So....I'll have to go fishing again👍👍

Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 29, 2019, 05:42 AM

I have 4 kids and a wife to feed we eat alot of fish and it never goes to waste. Never have thrown freezer burnt fish away it doesnt last long enough to get freezer burnt


you don't need to explain what you do with your  legally caught limit ....glad  your  family loves  fish .... we been  eatting so much  bullheads and  trout   i think we are  going to  grow gills  lol

 EAT FISH LIVE LONGER

whats  funny  is if you hunt  ad  say your a trophy hunter people  get mad at you and  say they only support hunting for  food .....if  you fish to fill your  freezor  for  food   your looked  down at and  you should be  a  trophy  fisherman   :rotflol:

my  moto  kill it grill it  fillet it  fry it
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 29, 2019, 05:44 AM
Well done!

I don't ice fish any more, but this time of year I generally stock up for a couple fish frys. The gang at our neighborhood Wednesday happy hour chow them down. My Bride doesn't like fish so mostly I keep a few for myself. Although yesterday my son and I enjoyed my last catch of perch.

So....I'll have to go fishing again👍👍

Rg

good  job  fill  that freezor up  while  you can  and have  fish  for  a few  fish frys  ......and i  like the  grilled  bullheads  with salsa
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: filetandrelease on Apr 29, 2019, 05:48 AM
Trapp I for one try to stock my freezer  with perch to carry me through til the next ice season , during the other three seasons I have other fish I like to chase after , and fish are  never wasted in my home
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on Apr 29, 2019, 05:50 AM
They are delicious cooked that way Trapper.

I'm sure you're right about the crappie and it's Just another vaguely written regulation. And....I'm not looking down on anyone. If it's legal, it's fine with me.


Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Apr 29, 2019, 05:54 AM
I'll never blow up my spot trapper. I agree as long ass whatever I caught or shot legally I should be able to have as much as I want. Been stock piling also for a nice fish fry when my mom comes home in july as she lives in Florida and doesnt get perch nor walleye often anymore
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 29, 2019, 05:56 AM
i'm  going to try rock bass that way too ,i  like  grilled trout too
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Apr 29, 2019, 07:08 AM
i'm  going to try rock bass that way too ,i  like  grilled trout too


Anyday now rockies should be in my spot
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 29, 2019, 11:03 AM

Anyday now rockies should be in my spot

i took half bucket the  other day
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: big_guy_13021 on Apr 29, 2019, 06:53 PM
i took half bucket the  other day

A half a bucket of water :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol: :thumbup_smilie:
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: filetandrelease on Apr 29, 2019, 07:09 PM
A half a bucket of water :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol: :thumbup_smilie:
[/quote
 Lmao 😜
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on Apr 29, 2019, 07:24 PM
big  guy's fish catching skills are  so  poor  he  puts  pictures  of  snagged  steelhead in here   :rotflol:
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: bigal409 on Apr 29, 2019, 07:58 PM
big  guy's fish catching skills are  so  poor  he  puts  pictures  of  snagged  steelhead in here   :rotflol:
lmao
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: filetandrelease on Apr 29, 2019, 08:03 PM

 Omg 😜
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on May 01, 2019, 06:40 PM
so anyone want to share some of their personal poaching experiences???? please feel free to give details including date time and what you did ....
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Mac Attack on May 01, 2019, 07:18 PM
so anyone want to share some of their personal poaching experiences???? please feel free to give details including date time and what you did ....

Eggs?
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: hinkydo on May 01, 2019, 07:23 PM
To many lines




                                                   hinkydo


Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: meandcuznalfy on May 01, 2019, 07:27 PM
Over limit
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Post by: icejohn on May 01, 2019, 07:37 PM
Wasn't even poaching (I don't think) several years ago was just packing up to leave when game warden came to count my bucket of sunnies.....I had a counter to count my fish so thought I was good....well not so much....he counted 53,  apparently I miscounted....he wrote me a ticket and had to go to court in Moravia....judge was lenient and paid $50.
icejohn
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Mac Attack on May 01, 2019, 07:43 PM
To many lines




                                                   hinkydo

Me 2
Once
Cost me $100
Back in the 80’s trolling in the ESLO Derby.
2 of us
Only allowed 2 rods per person.
Weren’t catching on 4 rods, so let’s put out a 5th.
8-10 miles out
Boom!!!

He came up alongside and asked if anyone was in the cuddy.  I said no and then immediately remembered the 5th line.

Busted!!
My boat
My fine

Never again.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: big_guy_13021 on May 01, 2019, 08:30 PM
I never got a fishing ticket or hunting ticket so I guess I can count ..dont have to worry about counting I gotta catch some first... :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:..not my fault the fish tried to spit my jig out after he ate it
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on May 02, 2019, 04:34 AM
I never got a fishing ticket or hunting ticket so I guess I can count ..dont have to worry about counting I gotta catch some first... :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:..not my fault the fish tried to spit my jig out after he ate it

do  you really want to talk  about  steelies again  :laugh:
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: bigal409 on May 02, 2019, 06:27 AM
do  you really want to talk  about  steelies again  :laugh:
:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: reeleyz on May 02, 2019, 06:45 AM
Sadly too many to name Trapper but I never got caught. Luckily we are way beyond the statute of limitations!

My father, as awesome as he was, had a loose interpretation of the fish and game laws so I learned some bad habits early on. What changed things for me was just hunting and fishing with some different people that were by the book.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: filetandrelease on May 02, 2019, 07:03 AM

As a young man I was pretty wild ,I knew many in law enforcement through my dad ,  police and Econ officers helped steer me in the right direction , great guys with a boat load of patients
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Post by: rgfixit on May 02, 2019, 07:08 AM
Patients or patience? 😀

Rg
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Post by: filetandrelease on May 02, 2019, 07:12 AM

LOL , I’m a better fisherman than spelling teacher🖍
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Post by: rgfixit on May 02, 2019, 07:14 AM
Well, they're both spelled correctly...just not quite interchangeable. However, those good people did cure you in a way.

Rg
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Post by: rgfixit on May 02, 2019, 07:31 AM
Had to clean the perch from yesterday. I'll hit the pond this afternoon.

Rg
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Post by: filetandrelease on May 02, 2019, 07:36 AM

Oneida perch think the gobies are pretty tasty
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Post by: meandcuznalfy on May 02, 2019, 09:05 AM
Sadly too many to name Trapper but I never got caught. Luckily we are way beyond the statute of limitations!

My father, as awesome as he was, had a loose interpretation of the fish and game laws so I learned some bad habits early on. What changed things for me was just hunting and fishing with some different people that were by the book.

That's how my grandfather was, great man, but had a very loose interpretation of fish and game laws.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: got em on May 02, 2019, 10:24 AM
So what happened to Mr sin and Mr nu. .
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: meandcuznalfy on May 02, 2019, 03:13 PM
https://idfg.idaho.gov/blog/2019/04/snake-river-sturgeon-poachers-sentenced

Fines are never enough.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: bbfrogger on May 02, 2019, 03:16 PM
I was lucky, other than rarely sneaking on some land that may or may not have been posted, depending on who you asked,  ::) , my teachers (father and grandfather) were pretty straight forward when it come to follow the laws.  To the best of my knowledge they never took more than they were allowed, or took anything out of season.  Probably helped that neither were crazy about eating wild fish/game too much, and they knew if they brought a lot home their spouses would make them eat it.  LOL
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on May 02, 2019, 03:49 PM
Sadly too many to name Trapper but I never got caught. Luckily we are way beyond the statute of limitations!

My father, as awesome as he was, had a loose interpretation of the fish and game laws so I learned some bad habits early on. What changed things for me was just hunting and fishing with some different people that were by the book.



thank God I have  never  broken the law  and  I have a clean conscience....it is  good to see  some of  you have changed  from your unlawful ways ....however I will be keeping a  eye on you all from now on! except Freddie ,I know  he's as law abiding as  me
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Post by: bigal409 on May 02, 2019, 03:51 PM
Your a good man Trapper  :thumbup_smilie: :thumbup_smilie:
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Post by: trapper2000 on May 02, 2019, 03:55 PM
AL I seen that big guy  keep undersize blue gills at otisco!
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: big_guy_13021 on May 02, 2019, 05:17 PM
AL I seen that big guy  keep undersize blue gills at otisco!

Your to funny trapper lol
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Post by: trapper2000 on May 02, 2019, 05:34 PM
 :rotflol:
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: reeleyz on May 02, 2019, 07:10 PM


thank God I have  never  broken the law  and  I have a clean conscience....it is  good to see  some of  you have changed  from your unlawful ways ....however I will be keeping a  eye on you all from now on! except Freddie ,I know  he's as law abiding as  me

Congrats on never breaking the speed limit, never turning right on red, and always using your signals!  :rotflol: :w00t: :thumbup_smilie:
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: greensider on May 02, 2019, 07:13 PM
A real poaching story
(https://i.postimg.cc/LqbcRmMc/IMG-1533.png) (https://postimg.cc/LqbcRmMc)
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: greensider on May 02, 2019, 07:15 PM
Sorry it posted blurry but three guys from a fish market in nyc were busted on ashokan reservoir with 35 smallmouth out of season
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Post by: SizeMatters on May 02, 2019, 07:20 PM
A real poaching story
(https://i.postimg.cc/LqbcRmMc/IMG-1533.png) (https://postimg.cc/LqbcRmMc)
Hang them.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on May 03, 2019, 05:03 AM
Congrats on never breaking the speed limit, never turning right on red, and always using your signals!  :rotflol: :w00t: :thumbup_smilie:

why thank you!   :rotflol:
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: hunts2long on May 03, 2019, 05:59 AM
I was once told by a judge that "you can't back out of your driveway without breaking a law"....h2l
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: rgfixit on May 03, 2019, 06:37 AM
why thank you!   :rotflol:

What a good boy!

😇😇😇😇😇

Rg
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: Raro on May 03, 2019, 07:36 AM
I agree most likely not the first time ,just first time getting caught
  problem is catching fish by means other than angling , here for salmon carries about $100.00 fine and without a license isn’t a real biggie either , they will claim they don’t understand and get a slap on the wrist , but I hope that isn’t the case

I was at Burt Dam several times in October, and saw a whole family of  locals, Mother, and two sons caught by under cover DEC guys for snagging, not once, but three weeks in a row. This family I must note all had mental health problems. I happened to watch this event. The DEC Officers wrote them up for erratic pole movement, called snagging. Due to their mental health problems, it appeared that they could not comprehend the gravity of the violations, nor the fact that the two  DEC guys explaned what the legal process was, and that they will have to pay fines of 250.00 each.When you see this 3 times you start to wonder if there is a way to reach these people!

I personally tried to school this group twice at Burt Dam as to what they were doing wrong, evidentally my teaching failed. But I tried. The DEC guys are not school teachers, and should not be! 8)
Although ignorance is no defense, there are people out there in society who can't comprehend the written law, and still fish. Nationality, and  immigration status as in this Niagara River case, is also no excuse or defense either.

Generally, the amount of fine for any DEC fishing or hunting violation is set by the court judge, with imput from the ticket writing officer. The judge can do as he/ she pleases, but in most cases, the DEC guidelines are met.
I , along with many other sportsmen will be watching this case closely


 
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on May 03, 2019, 08:14 AM
legally if  a  person  is mentally handycapped   they are  not held responcable  but purhaps  the  judge  will be  able to  explain the  problem with thier  actions  ....i  don't  consider that poaching nor  even a crime
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: ecolt14527 on May 05, 2019, 06:22 PM
The Niagara river perch case. It could run into the thousands. Under our Fish and Wildlife law, each fish over a limit or out of season could be written up as separate charge, so it could be possible that 3000 + charges could presented to the court with a maximum penalty of $250.00 per charge. The problem is that most judges would throw you and the charges out of court. Back in my day I would charge them with 10 charges, explain to the judge that I was being more than reasonable and see what would happen.
I had a case where I received a tip that a man was with his family shore fishing Keuka Inlet at Branchport. The largemouth bass were in spawning and he had taken 6 large bass that were flopping around in the dust in the trunk of his car. He states that he was going to take them to a pond in Wayne county. So this guy really becomes very nasty to the point of wanting to go a round or two. So I cuff him and stuff him and take him to the local judge with wife and children following. I charged him with 6 separate charges and the judge fines him $600.00 (this was back in the 60's)--now he states to the judge "send me to jail and the county can pay for my family" so it came to pass that I delivered him to the Yates co. jail. Guess he did not like our accommodations as the next day he called a friend to deliver the fine money so he could go home.
Yes if you have good judges it can serve as a deterrent !!
Yep, the old possum cop is back !!
y'all have a great spring and summer.
Title: Re: Poaching
Post by: trapper2000 on May 05, 2019, 06:54 PM
ecolt great to see you back