you want a reproduction that's ok with me [end quote] then maybe you might take up this "Fight"with your buddy FishFins, he seems to have a big problem. FishFinsQuoteMy dog in this "fight" is the condemnation of skin mounting fish. It's pretty obvious that the source of the criticism is poor skills on the part of the taxidermist. Shrinkage is inevitable in a skin mount, but skilled taxidermists routinely rebuild such areas back to a lifelike appearance. Traditional skin mounting of fish is a skill that is being lost because of the mass production of faux fish. Just about any kind and size of fake fish can be bought. About all that the taxidermist does is some grinding, sanding, and painting.....hardly "taxidermy" in the true sense. The trained eye can almost always tell a fiberglass fish from a skin mount. The fins and tails of replicas are usually very thick and opaque. The undercuts of the lips and gill cover are necessarily obscure because molding cannot capture that kind of detail. Gills are either not included or are something else unrealistic like pressed plastic or painted craft chenille. Of course knocking a skin mount off of the wall will probably damage it badly. Do the same to a replica and guess what? Get the broom and dustpan! [end quote] Dust pan! Sorry Fins I've hung around, grew up with fished and hunted with some very respected and award winning taxidermist's They don't share your opinion. I don't really know but suspect you may be a part time taxidermist yourself. Anyway here's a few links, suppose we let the readers of this thread decide on their own. http://www.jeffsfishmounts.com/http://www.fibertechproductions.com/ http://www.fishreplicas.com/ http://www.americanfishtaxidermy.com/http://www.advancedtaxidermy.com/gallery/fish-gallery.html http://www.flyfishingonline.com/pages/reproductions.html2 Trapper Quote what you have really done is lose sight of the true meaning of being a sportsmen and that is wishing someone well and congratulating them. [end quote] Are you blind? the very first word I said to the man was congratulations Here try again C-O-N-G-G-A-T-U-L-A-T-I-O-N-S maybe you'd understand it better if I wrote it out in crayola. That's your idea of a true sports sportsman guess I made the grade then. Me I'd add appreciating the resource and trying to see it continue and improve. Yes I'm one of those Old crazyguys that's out busting I disagree doing stream work, recreational land and easement acquisition so you guys have places to fish(and hunt). BTW I missed seeing the post where you mention being a flyfisherman. You delete it?3 Trapper Quote i did notice you bragging about the almost record brown ..... you decided to kill that brown ,,,no different then him !!!!!(sounds a little hypocritical) [end quote] Bragging no, I mentioned the brown because it was a good example to point out an advantage of a fiberglass mount this fish mount was obviously valued. Hippocrate I don't think so. I stated I had 25 fish mounted and do take fish to eat. Next I did try to revive that fish, 3 times. I knew it was a very big brown so instead of letting the crawdads eat it it took it to a taxidermist. HE checked and found out that it was a record fish and mounting a world record is a big deal to any taxidermist so I let him. Hypocritical? you and Fins several time say I've a right to my opinions and C&R is OK with the both of you( You generally ignore I stated I try to use and think highly of intelligent harvest) but in the next breath you say I'm spouting BS, and QuotePREACH THE RELIGION OF FRIENDS OF ANIMALS.phead lakeman said Quote little small for taxidermy,lol. and Drifter 016 said QuoteI would have dredged it in an egg wash and flour, before dropping it in a pan of melted butter.[end quote] Both posted beforeme, neither congratulated the guy(I did) and both expressed opinions other than husb0023, the poster, and neither of you jumped on them. If you two want to point your fingers at someone and cry hippocrate the best thing the two of you could do is look in the nearest mirror.4 Fins saidQuote Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. "Spin" seems to be pretty good at doing both. [end quote] Fins do you even know what the definition of "fact" something true and accurate or "truth" is?you know- that which conforms to reality, maybe not because all you've presented was unsubstantiated opinion. You haven't referenced or presented any corroboration to backup any of your claims - nothing.Forget any rational debate, and God help you in any legal action that you try to represent yourself in. Dittodefending any theory in any institute of higher learning. Everday working guys want facts too not just hot air.Now and then they call your bluff and you get stuck looking like a fool 5 I could go on but I think I should mention that husb0023 you know the guy that made the original post seemed to have no trouble expressing his own opinion and answering me. They didn't all jive with mine But that's OK( I mentioned I did much the same thing only it was a 23" eye and the Kankakee river not monster walleye water) Mounting the fish was fine by me, remember I said have 25 fish mounted and I nothing against taking fish - just try to do it responsibly. And a shout out and apology to Skipper. I'm sorry partner but I confused Mille Lacs with Winibagosh. I knew something wasn't clicking and googled reduced perch limit and Perch Train and Bingo! Sorry about the mix upI didn't doubt you just couldn't figure where I made the wrong turn. P.S. Winnebago where I live is a hell of a walleye and perch factory too, more so eyes. No closed season and no size limit. Was fantastic sauger water but they crashed. We're 8 years into a 10 year restoration program. this is the first year we're allowed to keep sauger. 1 per day and that's counted in a 5 a day aggregate with walleye. Spin
My dog in this "fight" is the condemnation of skin mounting fish. It's pretty obvious that the source of the criticism is poor skills on the part of the taxidermist. Shrinkage is inevitable in a skin mount, but skilled taxidermists routinely rebuild such areas back to a lifelike appearance. Traditional skin mounting of fish is a skill that is being lost because of the mass production of faux fish. Just about any kind and size of fake fish can be bought. About all that the taxidermist does is some grinding, sanding, and painting.....hardly "taxidermy" in the true sense. The trained eye can almost always tell a fiberglass fish from a skin mount. The fins and tails of replicas are usually very thick and opaque. The undercuts of the lips and gill cover are necessarily obscure because molding cannot capture that kind of detail. Gills are either not included or are something else unrealistic like pressed plastic or painted craft chenille. Of course knocking a skin mount off of the wall will probably damage it badly. Do the same to a replica and guess what? Get the broom and dustpan! [end quote] Dust pan! Sorry Fins I've hung around, grew up with fished and hunted with some very respected and award winning taxidermist's They don't share your opinion. I don't really know but suspect you may be a part time taxidermist yourself. Anyway here's a few links, suppose we let the readers of this thread decide on their own. http://www.jeffsfishmounts.com/http://www.fibertechproductions.com/ http://www.fishreplicas.com/ http://www.americanfishtaxidermy.com/http://www.advancedtaxidermy.com/gallery/fish-gallery.html http://www.flyfishingonline.com/pages/reproductions.html2 Trapper Quote what you have really done is lose sight of the true meaning of being a sportsmen and that is wishing someone well and congratulating them. [end quote] Are you blind? the very first word I said to the man was congratulations Here try again C-O-N-G-G-A-T-U-L-A-T-I-O-N-S maybe you'd understand it better if I wrote it out in crayola. That's your idea of a true sports sportsman guess I made the grade then. Me I'd add appreciating the resource and trying to see it continue and improve. Yes I'm one of those Old crazyguys that's out busting I disagree doing stream work, recreational land and easement acquisition so you guys have places to fish(and hunt). BTW I missed seeing the post where you mention being a flyfisherman. You delete it?3 Trapper Quote i did notice you bragging about the almost record brown ..... you decided to kill that brown ,,,no different then him !!!!!(sounds a little hypocritical) [end quote] Bragging no, I mentioned the brown because it was a good example to point out an advantage of a fiberglass mount this fish mount was obviously valued. Hippocrate I don't think so. I stated I had 25 fish mounted and do take fish to eat. Next I did try to revive that fish, 3 times. I knew it was a very big brown so instead of letting the crawdads eat it it took it to a taxidermist. HE checked and found out that it was a record fish and mounting a world record is a big deal to any taxidermist so I let him. Hypocritical? you and Fins several time say I've a right to my opinions and C&R is OK with the both of you( You generally ignore I stated I try to use and think highly of intelligent harvest) but in the next breath you say I'm spouting BS, and QuotePREACH THE RELIGION OF FRIENDS OF ANIMALS.phead lakeman said Quote little small for taxidermy,lol. and Drifter 016 said QuoteI would have dredged it in an egg wash and flour, before dropping it in a pan of melted butter.[end quote] Both posted beforeme, neither congratulated the guy(I did) and both expressed opinions other than husb0023, the poster, and neither of you jumped on them. If you two want to point your fingers at someone and cry hippocrate the best thing the two of you could do is look in the nearest mirror.4 Fins saidQuote Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. "Spin" seems to be pretty good at doing both. [end quote] Fins do you even know what the definition of "fact" something true and accurate or "truth" is?you know- that which conforms to reality, maybe not because all you've presented was unsubstantiated opinion. You haven't referenced or presented any corroboration to backup any of your claims - nothing.Forget any rational debate, and God help you in any legal action that you try to represent yourself in. Dittodefending any theory in any institute of higher learning. Everday working guys want facts too not just hot air.Now and then they call your bluff and you get stuck looking like a fool 5 I could go on but I think I should mention that husb0023 you know the guy that made the original post seemed to have no trouble expressing his own opinion and answering me. They didn't all jive with mine But that's OK( I mentioned I did much the same thing only it was a 23" eye and the Kankakee river not monster walleye water) Mounting the fish was fine by me, remember I said have 25 fish mounted and I nothing against taking fish - just try to do it responsibly. And a shout out and apology to Skipper. I'm sorry partner but I confused Mille Lacs with Winibagosh. I knew something wasn't clicking and googled reduced perch limit and Perch Train and Bingo! Sorry about the mix upI didn't doubt you just couldn't figure where I made the wrong turn. P.S. Winnebago where I live is a hell of a walleye and perch factory too, more so eyes. No closed season and no size limit. Was fantastic sauger water but they crashed. We're 8 years into a 10 year restoration program. this is the first year we're allowed to keep sauger. 1 per day and that's counted in a 5 a day aggregate with walleye. Spin
what you have really done is lose sight of the true meaning of being a sportsmen and that is wishing someone well and congratulating them. [end quote] Are you blind? the very first word I said to the man was congratulations Here try again C-O-N-G-G-A-T-U-L-A-T-I-O-N-S maybe you'd understand it better if I wrote it out in crayola. That's your idea of a true sports sportsman guess I made the grade then. Me I'd add appreciating the resource and trying to see it continue and improve. Yes I'm one of those Old crazyguys that's out busting I disagree doing stream work, recreational land and easement acquisition so you guys have places to fish(and hunt). BTW I missed seeing the post where you mention being a flyfisherman. You delete it?3 Trapper Quote i did notice you bragging about the almost record brown ..... you decided to kill that brown ,,,no different then him !!!!!(sounds a little hypocritical) [end quote] Bragging no, I mentioned the brown because it was a good example to point out an advantage of a fiberglass mount this fish mount was obviously valued. Hippocrate I don't think so. I stated I had 25 fish mounted and do take fish to eat. Next I did try to revive that fish, 3 times. I knew it was a very big brown so instead of letting the crawdads eat it it took it to a taxidermist. HE checked and found out that it was a record fish and mounting a world record is a big deal to any taxidermist so I let him. Hypocritical? you and Fins several time say I've a right to my opinions and C&R is OK with the both of you( You generally ignore I stated I try to use and think highly of intelligent harvest) but in the next breath you say I'm spouting BS, and QuotePREACH THE RELIGION OF FRIENDS OF ANIMALS.phead lakeman said Quote little small for taxidermy,lol. and Drifter 016 said QuoteI would have dredged it in an egg wash and flour, before dropping it in a pan of melted butter.[end quote] Both posted beforeme, neither congratulated the guy(I did) and both expressed opinions other than husb0023, the poster, and neither of you jumped on them. If you two want to point your fingers at someone and cry hippocrate the best thing the two of you could do is look in the nearest mirror.4 Fins saidQuote Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. "Spin" seems to be pretty good at doing both. [end quote] Fins do you even know what the definition of "fact" something true and accurate or "truth" is?you know- that which conforms to reality, maybe not because all you've presented was unsubstantiated opinion. You haven't referenced or presented any corroboration to backup any of your claims - nothing.Forget any rational debate, and God help you in any legal action that you try to represent yourself in. Dittodefending any theory in any institute of higher learning. Everday working guys want facts too not just hot air.Now and then they call your bluff and you get stuck looking like a fool 5 I could go on but I think I should mention that husb0023 you know the guy that made the original post seemed to have no trouble expressing his own opinion and answering me. They didn't all jive with mine But that's OK( I mentioned I did much the same thing only it was a 23" eye and the Kankakee river not monster walleye water) Mounting the fish was fine by me, remember I said have 25 fish mounted and I nothing against taking fish - just try to do it responsibly. And a shout out and apology to Skipper. I'm sorry partner but I confused Mille Lacs with Winibagosh. I knew something wasn't clicking and googled reduced perch limit and Perch Train and Bingo! Sorry about the mix upI didn't doubt you just couldn't figure where I made the wrong turn. P.S. Winnebago where I live is a hell of a walleye and perch factory too, more so eyes. No closed season and no size limit. Was fantastic sauger water but they crashed. We're 8 years into a 10 year restoration program. this is the first year we're allowed to keep sauger. 1 per day and that's counted in a 5 a day aggregate with walleye. Spin
i did notice you bragging about the almost record brown ..... you decided to kill that brown ,,,no different then him !!!!!(sounds a little hypocritical) [end quote] Bragging no, I mentioned the brown because it was a good example to point out an advantage of a fiberglass mount this fish mount was obviously valued. Hippocrate I don't think so. I stated I had 25 fish mounted and do take fish to eat. Next I did try to revive that fish, 3 times. I knew it was a very big brown so instead of letting the crawdads eat it it took it to a taxidermist. HE checked and found out that it was a record fish and mounting a world record is a big deal to any taxidermist so I let him. Hypocritical? you and Fins several time say I've a right to my opinions and C&R is OK with the both of you( You generally ignore I stated I try to use and think highly of intelligent harvest) but in the next breath you say I'm spouting BS, and QuotePREACH THE RELIGION OF FRIENDS OF ANIMALS.phead lakeman said Quote little small for taxidermy,lol. and Drifter 016 said QuoteI would have dredged it in an egg wash and flour, before dropping it in a pan of melted butter.[end quote] Both posted beforeme, neither congratulated the guy(I did) and both expressed opinions other than husb0023, the poster, and neither of you jumped on them. If you two want to point your fingers at someone and cry hippocrate the best thing the two of you could do is look in the nearest mirror.4 Fins saidQuote Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. "Spin" seems to be pretty good at doing both. [end quote] Fins do you even know what the definition of "fact" something true and accurate or "truth" is?you know- that which conforms to reality, maybe not because all you've presented was unsubstantiated opinion. You haven't referenced or presented any corroboration to backup any of your claims - nothing.Forget any rational debate, and God help you in any legal action that you try to represent yourself in. Dittodefending any theory in any institute of higher learning. Everday working guys want facts too not just hot air.Now and then they call your bluff and you get stuck looking like a fool 5 I could go on but I think I should mention that husb0023 you know the guy that made the original post seemed to have no trouble expressing his own opinion and answering me. They didn't all jive with mine But that's OK( I mentioned I did much the same thing only it was a 23" eye and the Kankakee river not monster walleye water) Mounting the fish was fine by me, remember I said have 25 fish mounted and I nothing against taking fish - just try to do it responsibly. And a shout out and apology to Skipper. I'm sorry partner but I confused Mille Lacs with Winibagosh. I knew something wasn't clicking and googled reduced perch limit and Perch Train and Bingo! Sorry about the mix upI didn't doubt you just couldn't figure where I made the wrong turn. P.S. Winnebago where I live is a hell of a walleye and perch factory too, more so eyes. No closed season and no size limit. Was fantastic sauger water but they crashed. We're 8 years into a 10 year restoration program. this is the first year we're allowed to keep sauger. 1 per day and that's counted in a 5 a day aggregate with walleye. Spin
PREACH THE RELIGION OF FRIENDS OF ANIMALS.phead lakeman said Quote little small for taxidermy,lol. and Drifter 016 said QuoteI would have dredged it in an egg wash and flour, before dropping it in a pan of melted butter.[end quote] Both posted beforeme, neither congratulated the guy(I did) and both expressed opinions other than husb0023, the poster, and neither of you jumped on them. If you two want to point your fingers at someone and cry hippocrate the best thing the two of you could do is look in the nearest mirror.4 Fins saidQuote Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. "Spin" seems to be pretty good at doing both. [end quote] Fins do you even know what the definition of "fact" something true and accurate or "truth" is?you know- that which conforms to reality, maybe not because all you've presented was unsubstantiated opinion. You haven't referenced or presented any corroboration to backup any of your claims - nothing.Forget any rational debate, and God help you in any legal action that you try to represent yourself in. Dittodefending any theory in any institute of higher learning. Everday working guys want facts too not just hot air.Now and then they call your bluff and you get stuck looking like a fool 5 I could go on but I think I should mention that husb0023 you know the guy that made the original post seemed to have no trouble expressing his own opinion and answering me. They didn't all jive with mine But that's OK( I mentioned I did much the same thing only it was a 23" eye and the Kankakee river not monster walleye water) Mounting the fish was fine by me, remember I said have 25 fish mounted and I nothing against taking fish - just try to do it responsibly. And a shout out and apology to Skipper. I'm sorry partner but I confused Mille Lacs with Winibagosh. I knew something wasn't clicking and googled reduced perch limit and Perch Train and Bingo! Sorry about the mix upI didn't doubt you just couldn't figure where I made the wrong turn. P.S. Winnebago where I live is a hell of a walleye and perch factory too, more so eyes. No closed season and no size limit. Was fantastic sauger water but they crashed. We're 8 years into a 10 year restoration program. this is the first year we're allowed to keep sauger. 1 per day and that's counted in a 5 a day aggregate with walleye. Spin
little small for taxidermy,lol. and Drifter 016 said QuoteI would have dredged it in an egg wash and flour, before dropping it in a pan of melted butter.[end quote] Both posted beforeme, neither congratulated the guy(I did) and both expressed opinions other than husb0023, the poster, and neither of you jumped on them. If you two want to point your fingers at someone and cry hippocrate the best thing the two of you could do is look in the nearest mirror.4 Fins saidQuote Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. "Spin" seems to be pretty good at doing both. [end quote] Fins do you even know what the definition of "fact" something true and accurate or "truth" is?you know- that which conforms to reality, maybe not because all you've presented was unsubstantiated opinion. You haven't referenced or presented any corroboration to backup any of your claims - nothing.Forget any rational debate, and God help you in any legal action that you try to represent yourself in. Dittodefending any theory in any institute of higher learning. Everday working guys want facts too not just hot air.Now and then they call your bluff and you get stuck looking like a fool 5 I could go on but I think I should mention that husb0023 you know the guy that made the original post seemed to have no trouble expressing his own opinion and answering me. They didn't all jive with mine But that's OK( I mentioned I did much the same thing only it was a 23" eye and the Kankakee river not monster walleye water) Mounting the fish was fine by me, remember I said have 25 fish mounted and I nothing against taking fish - just try to do it responsibly. And a shout out and apology to Skipper. I'm sorry partner but I confused Mille Lacs with Winibagosh. I knew something wasn't clicking and googled reduced perch limit and Perch Train and Bingo! Sorry about the mix upI didn't doubt you just couldn't figure where I made the wrong turn. P.S. Winnebago where I live is a hell of a walleye and perch factory too, more so eyes. No closed season and no size limit. Was fantastic sauger water but they crashed. We're 8 years into a 10 year restoration program. this is the first year we're allowed to keep sauger. 1 per day and that's counted in a 5 a day aggregate with walleye. Spin
I would have dredged it in an egg wash and flour, before dropping it in a pan of melted butter.[end quote] Both posted beforeme, neither congratulated the guy(I did) and both expressed opinions other than husb0023, the poster, and neither of you jumped on them. If you two want to point your fingers at someone and cry hippocrate the best thing the two of you could do is look in the nearest mirror.4 Fins saidQuote Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. "Spin" seems to be pretty good at doing both. [end quote] Fins do you even know what the definition of "fact" something true and accurate or "truth" is?you know- that which conforms to reality, maybe not because all you've presented was unsubstantiated opinion. You haven't referenced or presented any corroboration to backup any of your claims - nothing.Forget any rational debate, and God help you in any legal action that you try to represent yourself in. Dittodefending any theory in any institute of higher learning. Everday working guys want facts too not just hot air.Now and then they call your bluff and you get stuck looking like a fool 5 I could go on but I think I should mention that husb0023 you know the guy that made the original post seemed to have no trouble expressing his own opinion and answering me. They didn't all jive with mine But that's OK( I mentioned I did much the same thing only it was a 23" eye and the Kankakee river not monster walleye water) Mounting the fish was fine by me, remember I said have 25 fish mounted and I nothing against taking fish - just try to do it responsibly. And a shout out and apology to Skipper. I'm sorry partner but I confused Mille Lacs with Winibagosh. I knew something wasn't clicking and googled reduced perch limit and Perch Train and Bingo! Sorry about the mix upI didn't doubt you just couldn't figure where I made the wrong turn. P.S. Winnebago where I live is a hell of a walleye and perch factory too, more so eyes. No closed season and no size limit. Was fantastic sauger water but they crashed. We're 8 years into a 10 year restoration program. this is the first year we're allowed to keep sauger. 1 per day and that's counted in a 5 a day aggregate with walleye. Spin
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. "Spin" seems to be pretty good at doing both. [end quote] Fins do you even know what the definition of "fact" something true and accurate or "truth" is?you know- that which conforms to reality, maybe not because all you've presented was unsubstantiated opinion. You haven't referenced or presented any corroboration to backup any of your claims - nothing.Forget any rational debate, and God help you in any legal action that you try to represent yourself in. Dittodefending any theory in any institute of higher learning. Everday working guys want facts too not just hot air.Now and then they call your bluff and you get stuck looking like a fool 5 I could go on but I think I should mention that husb0023 you know the guy that made the original post seemed to have no trouble expressing his own opinion and answering me. They didn't all jive with mine But that's OK( I mentioned I did much the same thing only it was a 23" eye and the Kankakee river not monster walleye water) Mounting the fish was fine by me, remember I said have 25 fish mounted and I nothing against taking fish - just try to do it responsibly. And a shout out and apology to Skipper. I'm sorry partner but I confused Mille Lacs with Winibagosh. I knew something wasn't clicking and googled reduced perch limit and Perch Train and Bingo! Sorry about the mix upI didn't doubt you just couldn't figure where I made the wrong turn. P.S. Winnebago where I live is a hell of a walleye and perch factory too, more so eyes. No closed season and no size limit. Was fantastic sauger water but they crashed. We're 8 years into a 10 year restoration program. this is the first year we're allowed to keep sauger. 1 per day and that's counted in a 5 a day aggregate with walleye. Spin
spin if one person misunderstands you,well thats possiable when 10 people basicly misunderstand you then perhaps you better listen! perhaps you don't even know how crude you talk? so i'm being honest you belittled the man his fish and the way people eat and questioned there ethics,period , you don't have that right ,i see the reason for the name "SPIN" as thats what your tring to do here. no reason for me to waste my time i won't be responding to you any more i much rather be ENJOYING the company and storys of other anglers!in closing spin either you really don't get it, or you just like reaction and are more interested in preaching your own beliefs then fishing, or your a rude person. no matter what when 10 people tell you basicly the same thing it's time to do some thinking!you have a good day and good luck