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MFF US Northeast => New York => Topic started by: hunts2long on May 21, 2013, 04:36 PM
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Talked to the guy that got it last week. 6.03 lbs....Saw pictures of it. A very nice fish. He said the DEC has it at Raybrook....hunts2long
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wow, lots of record fish being caught this year from all over and in our back yard, totally awesome. 8)
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Funny a friend and I joked when they reset the Brookie record a few years back and said it wouldn't be surprising if its broke every season until someone gets up around 7lbs ... Looks like it was no joke.....lol
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Funny a friend and I joked when they reset the Brookie record a few years back and said it wouldn't be surprising if its broke every season until someone gets up around 7lbs ... Looks like it was no joke.....lol
I and a bud talked about that very samething
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six pounders have been caught before too--some people care more about our ny fishing and less about getting their names mentioned on some list of trophy fish. crowding is bad in ny now and brook trout dont need internet hype
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I am sure that the guy that got this one has taken many big ones over the years. At his age he has every right to put one in the book. Where he goes and the work he has put into his fishing over many years, he is deserving of it....hunts2long
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Most of the record trout caught these days are nothing more than what the DEC calls "spent breeders." These big fish in the hatchery are on the downslide productivity wise so DEC lets them go for stocking purposes.
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dec will not allow breeders to be put into the record books! it happened at 13th lake a while back and they revoked the record because it was a broodstock fish.
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Bluemountain...with all due respect I disagree. I am a retired career DEC employee & I know that's not true. A few years back an acquaintence from Utica set the new brook trout record. I saw the fish. All the classic signs of a hatchery fish. In particular, the tail was all beat up which is a classic raceway sign.
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ok well i may be wrong but i know the 13th lake trout was a hatchery fish and they dq the fish because of it.
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Can't most brook trout in our ponds and small lakes be traced back to a hatchery in one way or another?.....hunts2long
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yup they can be. but you can tell when you get a big brooder. they have no tailfin! most ponds in the adks r stocked so theres no garantee that any brooktrout you catch is native. any pics of this beast of a trout?
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Bluemountain...with all due respect I disagree. I am a retired career DEC employee & I know that's not true. A few years back an acquaintence from Utica set the new brook trout record. I saw the fish. All the classic signs of a hatchery fish. In particular, the tail was all beat up which is a classic raceway sign.
thats interesting, seeing as NY DEC refuses to verify state record brook trout until they inspect the fish;
"they specifically ensure that brook trout submissions do not come from ineligible waters. This excludes brood stock, which are adult stocked breeding fish"
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gone-fishin%E2%80%99/2012/06/ny-state-trout-record-broken-seventh-time-eight-years (http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gone-fishin%E2%80%99/2012/06/ny-state-trout-record-broken-seventh-time-eight-years)
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He stopped and showed me pictures. It is a dandy....hunts2long
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Most of the record trout caught these days are nothing more than what the DEC calls "spent breeders." These big fish in the hatchery are on the downslide productivity wise so DEC lets them go for stocking purposes.
Not true. They don't do that anymore after the 13th lake fish and also one from the Mohawk that came from the Rome hatchery. With very few exceptions, fall fingerlings are the only size trout stocked in the ponds.
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Bluemountain...with all due respect I disagree. I am a retired career DEC employee & I know that's not true. A few years back an acquaintence from Utica set the new brook trout record. I saw the fish. All the classic signs of a hatchery fish. In particular, the tail was all beat up which is a classic raceway sign.
No way to verify 100% but I doubt that the Raquette fish was brood stock. Better chance it was native than a brooder. Plenty of wild fish in Raquette and its tribs if you know where to look.
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No way to verify 100% but I doubt that the Raquette fish was brood stock. Better chance it was native than a brooder. Plenty of wild fish in Raquette and its tribs if you know where to look.
Hey Scott hows it going ?
My thoughts exactly , here's the fish that Tom caught a couple years ago from Raquette
(https://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi238.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff11%2Fdeadsmelthead%2FTomBrookTroutJPG2.jpg&hash=be03ac55f6424f8d2cf9e527f2964e58)
Raquette gets stocked with very small amounts of very small Brook Trout because its basically a natural hatchery... Case and point 400 - 4" brook trout in 2012... yup they can be. but you can tell when you get a big brooder. they have no tailfin! most ponds in the adks r stocked so theres no garantee that any brooktrout you catch is native. any pics of this beast of a trout?
last years record breaker from south lake is without a doubt a stocked fish, the lake was acid dead 20 years ago and it is true there are a good number of water bodies stocked, But I'd be willing to bet there are just as many if not more supporting wild reproduction... The Dacks have several bodies of water with their own strain of Brook Trout, Horn, Windfall just to name a couple off the top of my head with out googling it...
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YES there is away to verify 100%[genetic test] in my opinion there are 6# and maybe 7# in some
of the ponds where the HERITAGE strains have been put in about 7 or 8 strains for adirondacks
here is a list of them[SELF SUSTAINING] NEED A MONOCULTURE,genetically pure
dix strain-lives to about 3years gets to 9in
honnedage,strain gets to 6#
horn strain gets to 16in
little tupper strain gets to 6#
nate strain,gets to4#
stink strain gets 14in
windfall strain,gets to4#
tamarack strain gets to 17in
these have NOT been changed by man[hybridized,or domesticated]
hope this helps
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RAT
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dec will not allow breeders to be put into the record books! it happened at 13th lake a while back and they revoked the record because it was a broodstock fish.
that would suprise me as even Maine's record BKT (something like 9lbs 2 oz) is a holdover broodstock fish.. and its firm in the record books
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Wheres the pics? :o
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that would suprise me as even Maine's record BKT (something like 9lbs 2 oz) is a holdover broodstock fish.. and its firm in the record books
NY has disqualified 2 potential records in the past 10 years because they were hatchery brood stock....
One fish was caught in the Mohawk river below the Lake Delta dam, the other was 13th lake...
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that would suprise me as even Maine's record BKT (something like 9lbs 2 oz) is a holdover broodstock fish.. and its firm in the record books
NY doesn't do nearly the broodstock stocking that other states like maine does. The vast majority of our stocked stream trout are either 1yr or 2yr old fish...the 2yr fish being 13"-14". And yes, they check all the state record entered brookies to make sure they weren't stocked as brood stock.
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NY doesn't do nearly the broodstock stocking that other states like maine does. The vast majority of our stocked stream trout are either 1yr or 2yr old fish...the 2yr fish being 13"-14". And yes, they check all the state record entered brookies to make sure they weren't stocked as brood stock.
thats wierd... not 100% sure on what i said about maines record being broodstock, but it WAS 100% a hatchery fish (fin clip evidence) atleast
only thing in maine that wouldnt count as a record is a fish in privately owned/stocked/maintained ponds (aka the fish not stocked/raised by maine DIFW)
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Its my understanding that the trout can b stocked bt must have been a fingerling nt brood stock
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Where are the pictures of this fish
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He has shown me the photos but he is not the computer type. I am sure the DEC will have pictures once it is posted on their website....hunts2long
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good post guys--and i agree that ny has some dandy trout to be had--that raquette trout was awesome look at the girth and the long and strait fins--plus that fish was no accident he was special targeting for big brook trout and knows that lake well--most of these guys know exactly what they are doing and work hard to get those fish--before little tupper was opened to the public and smallmouths were intentionly let loose by the public, a confirmed 25 inch brookie was caught and released there and it was spectacular--i also saw pictures that mark eddy showed me of a 12lb hook jaw splake in limekiln that was red bellied and colored and shaped just like a brookie---i know splake are only half brook trout but some seem to show traits of one parent or the other and this 12 lber had alot of brook trout in it---maybe the finest fish i have ever seen ever that was caught in ny waters--i also met and spoke with mr. pfendler of boonville-this is the guy who caught the former state record lake trout in lake placid--it was 32lbs--and if anyone has seen that 32lb fish it is something to see that guy has amazing pics of adirondack strain lakers from 18 to 32 pounds his photo albums show a real dedication to old style adirondack lake fishing------
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NY has disqualified 2 potential records in the past 10 years because they were hatchery brood stock....
One fish was caught in the Mohawk river below the Lake Delta dam, the other was 13th lake...
wasn't there a brook trout disquilfied from long island 4 years ago i think from the carmans river area
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Any news or pics on the record?
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Any news or pics on the record?
The DEC posted a picture on their Facebook page.
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www.adirondackalmanack.com/.../record-brook-trout (http://www.adirondackalmanack.com/.../record-brook-trout)
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Great looking fish.. Thanks for the link Doug..
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ONE GREAT looking brookie, good luck with the 7lb one.i know it is out there
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RAT
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Make things a little easier than the link.... 8)
(https://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi238.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff11%2Fdeadsmelthead%2FRecord-Brook-trout-2013-211x300_zps10f74524.jpg&hash=52540ac1fa45d3528a7cd468e022b212)
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this one great "HERITAGE strain brookie,windfall strain self-sustaining population
there are about 10 ponds with them .spawns in inlets/outlets max weight netted 4lb. 18in
lives to about 5 plus years they NEED A MONOCULTURE. only brookies,i hope we can do
this
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RAT
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I was lucky to get the link on line....hunts2long
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I'm sure the record will be broken many times and the old one will never be reached , 6 lbs is out of my reach for sure great pics guys
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real great brookie
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Gawd Almighty, what a NY brook trout!
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Awesome Brookie pics! I'd love to catch one of those ginormous ones. Funny thing is, we catch 6 pound Lakers day in and day out on Lake George during the winter. So, I guess in some ways we've all caught 6 pounders. That's not dissing any trophy Brookies- just sayin': "IF you've ever caught a decent Laker, it gives you an idea of what it must be like to catch a trophy Brookie.
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That is one sweet fish !
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It seems odd that a hybrid would qulify as a brook trout.
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It seems odd that a hybrid would qulify as a brook trout.
??? Who said anything like that ?
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its not a hybrid its a heritage strain
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Nice Brookies here is one from Maine
(https://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi975.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae237%2Fstephend24%2FMonsterBrookTrout.jpg&hash=3459d71dc4226a07ae01d036f30c7c38) (http://s975.photobucket.com/user/stephend24/media/MonsterBrookTrout.jpg.html)
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It seems odd that a hybrid would qulify as a brook trout.
this fish is a GENETICALLY PURE brookie and has not been changed by any crossing by any hatchery
this is a windfall strain heritage brooktrout.please read a book by keller on n.y.s brookies about 1979
in his book he states there is about 10 strains??? left in n.y, what are genetically pure.when i fished
in the mid 50's you could SEE the difference in the colors
hope this helps
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RAT
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this brook trout was caught from a pond that was killed off by acid rain and couldn't sustain any kind of fish population until 2002 when the water started to neutralize and DEC did an experimental stocking in the lake and obviously it was successful. my uncle was with him and he caught a 4lbser the same day as this one. this man puts a lot of time in fishing these ponds and catches a lot of big trout
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this brook trout was caught from a pond that was killed off by acid rain and couldn't sustain any kind of fish population until 2002 when the water started to neutralize and DEC did an experimental stocking in the lake and obviously it was successful. my uncle was with him and he caught a 4lbser the same day as this one. this man puts a lot of time in fishing these ponds and catches a lot of big trout
RIGHT ON bob.that is the best way to get these trout,long walks, a LOT of time on the water,and the know how
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RAT
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Nice fish Rick!!!!!
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RIGHT ON bob.that is the best way to get these trout,long walks, a LOT of time on the water,and the know how
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RAT
yes and the pond he got it out of is by no means a short walk at about 5 miles back in
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If you want to see the previous brookie record look on page 8 of the NYS Conservationist magizine(June 2013) and see William Altman and his 5 lb. 14 oz. 21 inch brookie caught on 5/6/12 caught on a lake clear wabbler in the West Canada Wilderness Area, Hamilton County. Also posted are other record fish (pages7-9).New York has got some great fishing! :) :) :)
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Silver lake is 7 miles back on the placid.trail
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the walk is why the fish get big,plus the know now, i ALWAYS put the females and ALL big trout back but that is my
way.it is up to us,brookies do have a short life,SO THINK.
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RAT
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Awesome
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www.adirondackalmanack.com/.../record-brook-trout (http://www.adirondackalmanack.com/.../record-brook-trout)
Rich passed away this week...RIP my friend....h2l
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Sorry to hear about your friend Doug....
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Sorry to hear that. He will be remembered by this record, though. A legend.
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The DEC has an ongoing program now on the distribution of wild brook trout throughout New York State where they count fish and take scale samples for genetic analysis.
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do they all taste the same?
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If NYS disqualifies broodfish from state records then they are the only state that I know of that does that. Not saying it's bad or good just saying most states don't bother to make the differentiation that I'm aware of.
As someone that rears trophy size brook trout for the taxidermy market, the interesting thing about domestic strain brook trout is their short life spans. With mine anyway they seem to expire at about 3 to 4 years. Some of the wild Canadian strains can live much longer though.
When I had various states fill out a questionnaire to determine the legality of selling frozen whole gamefish to taxidermists, Maine was concerned about one of my fish being used as a state record fish entry and wanted me to tag my fish! No worries, as although I've grown them over 6 lbs., pretty doubtful I'll get one to 9 lbs. 2 oz! When they get that big it's not just a matter of feeding. Genetics play a big role.
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I can see where a state would have concerns about a pond raised fish used as a record and lets face it it's not just the recorded it's the endorsements that go with a recorded ...it's big bucks
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I have no problem with that, but doubt if I caught another state record fish I'd even bother entering it. It's amazing the jealousy out there when someone gets a record fish or deer. Seems there are always people that scream it wasn't taken legally, or was brought in from a game farm, or caught somewhere else. Never fails.
Are you sure there are big bucks with fish endorsements for state records? I could see it with world records. I'm not so sure of that.
I entered a yellow perch that was 5 ounces larger than our state record way back in 2005. Caught it in my private pond. Had only one pond then and wasn't doing anything different than the average pond owner. I did feed the fish but so do other pond owners of which we have 12 state records out of ponds here. Some jackass outdoor writer decided to make a negative story out of it asking if I should be able to enter a fish caught in a pond. And it didn't help I needed a Fish Hauler's and Supplier's permit to cross state lines to bring in some trout to throw in my pond for winter fishing. That made me a fish farmer with that free permit? Next thing I know it won't be allowed as a state record, never mind the last state record yellow perch was caught in private waters also. And of course the outdoor writer's article had people up in arms. Unbelievable how nasty some people were. One guy was going to come to my house and beat me up. ;D He also felt any fish stocked in any waters should not be allowed as state records. That went for all the stocked trout and salmon stocked as fingerings in state waters according to him.
No skin off my back as I consider it my "unofficial state record" and it is the biggest yellow perch ever caught in the state let alone many states. I have it mounted in a glass case with an ice fishing scene. I know a good fish taxidermist. ;D I've never been able to produce one that big since even though I still feed them and hatch my own now. I know it has little to do with feeding, as if it did I would be producing state record size yellow perch every year. Haven't done it since.
Ironically a year or two after I caught it I got a call from a biologist that wanted to use a picture of it for a conference they were having with out of state biologists, and wanted to push it tongue in cheek as a typical Indiana yellow perch. I said, "no." I said, "if it wasn't good enough for a state record then...
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This thread was a great read, I did not know very much about Brook Trout. Thanks for all the input from everyone.
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do they all taste the same?
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i think so,some of the fish meat has has a different red color[darker,lighter] but taste is the
same to me.that is my taste buds.this year i am going after a cross,to me cross ones have a
taste difference[splake comes to mind]
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RAT