MyFishFinder Forum
The Fisherman's Wharf => Off-Topic => Topic started by: rgfixit on Jul 04, 2017, 03:01 PM
-
Damned Japanese beetles are attacking. Broke put the Malathion and bought some Neem Oil concentrate today. Found some clusters eating away at my Morning Glories. I've since found them in my Mariglods, strawberries and Petunias.
I might sneak over and hang a trap in my Neighbor's yard :evil:
Rg
-
Great, I was just saying that we made it through June with no invasion. I used a pesticide that I added to the water and the trees drank it up. Can't remember what it was called though..... And I've been treating with Neem when the rain permits me too. Stuff is expensive >:( Right now my battle is with Rust on my apples and slugs on my cukes.
-
And slugs on Lisa's Dalias......
-
What are you using on the rust? My trees have got it bad
-
What are you using on the rust? My trees have got it bad
(https://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1098.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg376%2Fdrowndindots%2FDSC_0839_zpscenywckr.jpg&hash=ec14a92062010184b4d50bbe584c8d9e) (http://s1098.photobucket.com/user/drowndindots/media/DSC_0839_zpscenywckr.jpg.html)
I have just started using Neem oil with the break in the rain.
-
Well RG thanks for the heads up. Went out and looked at my cherry tree.......
(https://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1098.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg376%2Fdrowndindots%2FDSC_0840_zpsmvdphska.jpg&hash=ed2bd5401f19f4beb73bfe86aff12974) (http://s1098.photobucket.com/user/drowndindots/media/DSC_0840_zpsmvdphska.jpg.html) >:(
-
They're just a plague in waiting. Last year was the worst I've ever seen. Seems the weather is just perfect for the rotten buggers. Hot and dry Just when they want it.
I've sprayed with Malathion twice now and it's definitely helping. I don't have anything to harvest in the next couple weeks so I'm ok with it. But, tomorrow morning I'm spraying Neem oil. On just about everything.
Rg
-
Neem oil all around! Everything....even the volunteer sunflowers. Tomatoes, cukes, pickles, beans, snow peas, squash, petunias, mariglods, lillies, Moon Flowers, morning glories, Passion flowers, dahlias, all my herbs ( found damage to my cinnamon Basil), strawberries, impatiens, begonias, lobelia, hostas, plantains......everyone got a dose.
It's expensive stuff, but it seems to go a long way. It took less than a gallon of mix to do everything. I did a mild mix of 2 oz. / gallon of water. Don't want to get too aggressive....yet.
We'll see :-\
Rg
-
Only found 2 beetles,on my Moon Flowers when I got home today. I'll give them another squirt later. So far.....so good for the Neem.
Rg
-
Yeah, the Neem is holding up so far here as well.
-
Had to re-apply to my petunias and worst of all.....the asparagus. They decided it was next on the menu. Found a few on the leaf lettuce and strawberries too. Seems if they're really hungry, nothing will stop them. But...I took great pleasure in squashing all I could find.
Rg
-
They've zeroed in on my asparagus and I've murdered 50 or so in the last two days. I found that if I spray them with Malathion they get so slow I can pick them off and drown them in a coffee can with Malathion, water and Dawn.
They would have to run rampant to do any damage to the asparagus. I ain't gonna let that happen.
2 more weeks or so and they'll be done. Then I'm treating the lawns and gardens with milky spore and (the lawns) with everything I can find.
Rg
-
I use Sevin to kill off the Japanese beetles, seems to work in one application. If needed, reapply in 10 days.
-
Have any of you tried Milky Spores, it is kind of pricey but it works, you put down two applications and you're good to go
for a few years. I did it and it works here. According to the guy a our nursery there are two hatchings a season that's why
the two applications.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/GRANULAR-MILKY-SPORE-20LB/22251130?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1293&adid=22222222227016838130&wl0=&wl1=s&wl2=c&wl3=62923887129&wl4=pla-99457436409&wl5=9051781&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113137480&wl11=online&wl12=22251130&wl13=&veh=sem (https://www.walmart.com/ip/GRANULAR-MILKY-SPORE-20LB/22251130?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1293&adid=22222222227016838130&wl0=&wl1=s&wl2=c&wl3=62923887129&wl4=pla-99457436409&wl5=9051781&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113137480&wl11=online&wl12=22251130&wl13=&veh=sem)
-
Damned Japanese beetles are attacking. Broke put the Malathion and bought some Neem Oil concentrate today. Found some clusters eating away at my Morning Glories. I've since found them in my Mariglods, strawberries and Petunias.
I might sneak over and hang a trap in my Neighbor's yard :evil:
Rg
Raising fish I thought it would be the cat's meow to trap them and use them to feed the fish. Guess what? Fish have to be really hungry to eat them. At least mine do.
My neighbor set up a trap one year and we ended up with more than ever.
-
Don't set traps for them - it only attracts them to your area. We sold the traps for years, and used them at home too - never helped one bit. The milky spore is pricey, and not always is able to get established. Spaying or dusting Sevin works.
-
Are you using Seven on your lawn? Not on your vegetable garden I hope.
Rg
-
You can apply Sevin to your lawn and your vegetable garden. Label says you can apply up to one day prior to harvest.
-
Just use Rotenone Dust.... Get a duster and puff it around... ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotenone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotenone)
-
Recently on vacation I saw bits of leaves falling from the trees. Pieces everywhere. Turns out the trees were loaded with gypsy moths munching on leaves. I've never seen that many in my life. They were everywhere.
I read that part of the reason for the numbers were the dry summer they had last year. Apparently there is a mold or fungus that controls their numbers unless the weather is dry.
-
The other day at work, I talked a very nice lady out of buying a Bag-aBug trap. She opted for Neem oil instead. I explained how the traps attract beetles from far away rather than helping eliminate the local residents.
Rg
-
The other day at work, I talked a very nice lady out of buying a Bag-aBug trap. She opted for Neem oil instead. I explained how the traps attract beetles from far away rather than helping eliminate the local residents.
Rg
You're such a nice guy.
8)
-
Are you using Seven on your lawn? Not on your vegetable garden I hope.
Rg
Why is that? I'm not a huge fan of the stuff, but my father swears by it. I used to spray lawns for a landscaping company, and I hate killing bugs now. It's hard to kill the bad bugs without killing the beneficial bugs as well.
-
"lemmings need to be directed to the sea."
I'm not a fan of any pesticide. Seven I would use on my lawn I guess. But not on anything I'd eat. Same for Rotenone, or nematodes or any of that stuff. Manufacturers claim that it's harmless within a certain amount of time. But, the side warnings are pretty scary.
I figure I've done enough experimenting with my brain cells over the years.
Rg
-
Rotenone has been implicated in possibly causing Parkinson's disease. It's illegal to use as a piscicide in some states apparently because they fear it will contaminate an aquifer in states where surface water is closely tied to the ground water, as it stays active longer in cold water.
-
Bah! Anything causes everything.... I'f you're eating apples or peppers from the supermarket they're the worst. I always wash everything in warm to hot water (even "triple washed whatever").
Seven? My Mom used it in the garden for decades. I'm not much worse for the exposure, certainly I brought more upon myself in my early "adulthood". Don't get me wrong. I'm not a blissfully ignorant applicator of pest/herbicides. I avoid it when I can but when necessary, well, "get back Loretta!".
Several years back we had an infestation of pine sawfly larvae. I went out for, oh I don't remember now, but 4 -5 days in a row and used a garden hose to knock 'em off the trees. By the time it took for them to find the tree and inch back up I think they starved to death. Anyway, all gone.
I don't know that it applies here but if you have the Japanese lady Beetle or Boxelder thing going in the fall the fix is a product called Buggslayer. It is absolutely amazing. The poison part is pyrethrin (a very "natural" pesticide sourced from Chrysanthemums). The claim to fame is some sort of "microcrystalline additive" that cuts the little buggers feet so the poison can enter because they really don't eat anything you can apply the poison to. Very, very effective. Hose end sprayer on the house in mid to late September, non-staining and no more bugs. Lasts through rain (I don't know how) and persists through the Spring. One application a year at the right time does it. A little OT but worth passing along.
Plain old soapy water works on lots of pests too.
Rotenone? Sprinkle/spray it on the water and go pick up fish.... ::) Our DNR applies it selectively to harvest carp from overrun systems.
-
I figure I've done enough experimenting with my brain cells over the years.
Rg
Not to mention, the liver and kidneys Bob.
I agree.
Better living thru chemicals is no longer an option.
-
Rotenone....Seven....I, think I'll pass.
Rg
-
I do what my grandmother used to do. I walk up and down the rows with a ten quart pail and a paint stir stick. Whack every bug and beetle I see into the pail. Once I'm through the garden, add a half a cup of kerosene and drop in a match. No more bugs. No chemicals. ;D
-
I found that if I mix just a teaspoon of dawn with water in a hand sprayer and squirt the little buggers. They slow down big time. Then I've just been picking them off the plants and dropping them in a coffee can with an inch of water and some more dawn. Kills them dead.
They must have gotten used to the Neem oil. It doesn't seem to deter them at all any more. Good news is, they're numbers seem to be reducing.
Rg
-
Most of the techniques that are posted kill the beetles but does nothing for further hatching, you have to kill
the grub that they hatch from. The grub is in the dirt, I did an application of Milky Spores in May then I did
the recommended second application yesterday for the second hatching, I don't have any beetles so far. According
to my guy at the nursery said I won't have to apply any more for a few years. I know it's expensive but if it works
it's worth it! JMO
-
Most of the techniques that are posted kill the beetles but does nothing for further hatching, you have to kill
the grub that they hatch from. The grub is in the dirt, I did an application of Milky Spores in May then I did
the recommended second application yesterday for the second hatching, I don't have any beetles so far. According
to my guy at the nursery said I won't have to apply any more for a few years. I know it's expensive but if it works
it's worth it! JMO
What about them coming in from other areas like on the wind? What kind of size area do they use for a habitat?
-
My research says they'll come from as far as a mile away. However.......I'm definitely going to do some serious prevention. Milky spores are on the list for consideration.
Only killed 6 or so today. But I know they're in the ground.
Anyway, the gardens are doing very well in spite of the little devils.
Rg
-
My research says they'll come from as far as a mile away. However.......I'm definitely going to do some serious prevention. Milky spores are on the list for consideration.
Only killed 6 or so today. But I know they're in the ground.
Anyway, the gardens are doing very well in spite of the little devils.
Rg
I wonder if part of their success is some animals don't seem to care for the taste or something. Like I said I tried feeding them to my fish and they weren't interested or spit them out unless they were really hungry.
-
I've only seen cow birds, catbirds and starlings foraging in the yard. According to the Audubon Society, blue jays, starlings, sparrows, grackles, crows, catbirds, and eastern kingbirds will eat them.
I've never tasted one....but I can't imagine they'd be palatable.
Rg
-
Strolled past the wild asparagus patch yesterday. Plumb full of the varmints. Didn't like cigar smoke too much... 8) I know, don't do that with the tomatoes. ::)
-
Here is a short paragraph about the beetle.
During the larval stage, the Japanese beetle lives in lawns and other grasslands, where it eats the roots of grasses. During that stage, it is susceptible to a fatal disease called milky spore disease, caused by a bacterium called milky spore, Paenibacillus (formerly Bacillus) popilliae. The USDA developed this biological control and it is commercially available in powder form for application to lawn areas. Standard applications (low density across a broad area) take from one to five years to establish maximal protection against larval survival (depending on climate), expanding through the soil through repeated rounds of infection.
I live in a woody area and have never seen the beetle in there only in my garden or lawn. as it states they live in lawns and grassland so
to control them it is important to kill the larva is the best way to control them. That's what Milky Spores is designed to do. The larva eat
the spore and die, their carcass decays and leave more spore for more larva hatchings to eat and die, that's why they recommend two
applications in the summer, so far I'm beetle free!
-
I'm still picking a couple dozen a day off my asparagus and morning glories. They seem to like my strawberries too.
Rg
-
wow, you guys have it easy. Me and my wife kill a couple hundred or so a day, especially if it's sunny (and it's been sunny all month so far). We walk down the row of 4 hibiscus plants that we have in the backyard and get 10 or 20 from each plant, then turn around and go back doing the same. We can walk back and forth for an hour and not run out of the dang things. And that's just those plants, our garden is toast. They don't seem to like the lilacs though but they love rhubarb and we even get them from the horseradish. And forget about the grape vines. They are done.
We tried Malathion but it did very little, killed them when I sprayed but they were back the next day. It didn't even rain and I saw them munching away at the shrubs I had covered the day before. Thinking of nematodes or milky spore next year. Meanwhile, it's become a hobby just walking around the yard with a bake bean can of soapy water picking bugs off trees. I might try the seven spray for the rest of this season. Do you think the milky spore will help this year if I use it too or is it too late for a treatment like that?
-
All the research Ive read says it can take 2 to 3 for it to take effect. I killed another 30 or so this afternoon. Malathion will kill them as adults, not as larvae and only when applied directly.
RG
-
yep, just did a little homework and read that it starts working soon after treatment but takes a year or 2 for full effectiveness. The article I read said that the best time to treat is mid summer to early fall so it looks like I will be treating my lawns in the next week some time. Even saw a video on youtube on making a coffee can applicator that makes it easy. then you need to water the lawn to get the spores down into the dirt. One application is supposed to be good for up to 10 years.
-
Depends on who's information your looking at. The manufacturer's want 3 applications. But, the timing has to be right. The grubs have to be actively feeding and the soil temperature is a factor as well.
Rg
-
This manufacturer says one application, summer and early fall.
https://eartheasy.com/milky-spore-powder-japanese-beetle-control-10-oz
these guys say it can take up to 3 years to control the bugs.
https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/plant-problems/pests/pesticides/what-is-milky-spore.htm
these guys say that the more grubs you have, the faster it will work. He also suggests using nematodes along with milky spore.
http://www.ecolandscaping.org/05/pests-pest-management/controlling-grubs-milky-spore-disease-or-beneficial-nematodes/
-
It seems to be all over the chart.
One time application
http://stgabrielorganics.com/product/milky-spore (http://stgabrielorganics.com/product/milky-spore)
2 time application
http://stgabrielorganics.com/product/milky-spore-granules-20-lb (http://stgabrielorganics.com/product/milky-spore-granules-20-lb)
Seems like the granular would be the easiest to control coverage with.
My yard is approximately 42,000 square feet. He powder covers 2500 per bag at $35. That's 17 bags @ $600 or so. The stuff better grow a cash crop in addition to killing the bugs.
Rg
-
yeah, I'm thinking it's either different products or different geographic zones or something.
My yard is only about 10,000sf It's a 1/2 acre but my house, driveway and shed cover a lot of it. The 10oz package covers 2500sf at around $30, but it's sold in a 40oz package also that is a better deal at around $90 and would do my entire yard. Heck, to do a weed and feed program on my little yard for a year costs more than that so I ain't gonna sweat it too much. I guess it's just the price you gotta pay to have a lawn sometimes.
-
I'm thinking I'll try standard grub control methods this year and in the spring and see what happens. Pretty easy to spread with a broadcast spreader. I work part time at Lowes and have access to all the broken bags of fertilizer and such for penny's on the dollar. I buy my mulch each year that way. I end up paying about 20% of retail.
I like a deal ;D
Rg
-
My daughter's flower garden was invaded and decimated yesterday by a new one to us. The Red Lily Beetle moved in and turned her beautiful lilies to sticks in the ground! From what I've read, the RL Beetle is native to Europe and Asia, and was first seen in the US in 2009 in Massachusetts. It is spreading throughout the northeast, decimating lilies along the way. It has no natural predators in the US; however, the University of RI is experimenting with a wasp that eats their larvae. The world, she is a changin'!
(https://s25.postimg.org/klfabsrwv/2541717538_256b2ecf29_z.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/jvwhzfrd7/)
-
An application of Malathion will do them in completely. I had them last year and checked early on as my asiatic lilies were emerging. saw one and treated just once. No problems since.
Rg
-
A good dose of Sevin last night, and none there at lunch time today. ;D
-
That'll do it too👍
Rg
-
Haven't we learned yet that combatting invasive with other invasive is a bad idea? Cane toads are a perfect example.
-
Yeah, I hear you. Then, what eats the wasps? ::)
-
Yeah, I hear you. Then, what eats the wasps? ::)
Yup. It's a wonderful world we live in. I am of the opinion that given enough time nature would find a way to fix the issue. Problem is we are very impatient, and want instant results which in general lead to even more problems. Good job security if you work in the field though. Keep popping out your next project to fix your last.
-
We're humans. We alter our environment. It's what we do. There's good, bad and ugly consequences.
I am of the opinion that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So....I tend to be conservative.
Rg
-
One good thing about the cool temps and rain. No beetles today.
Rg
-
ours have been thinning out recently, must be nearing the end of their breeding cycle. I hope they don't get a second wind or anything...
-
They're still around. I kill a few every day. Now the deer have decided they like my morning glories and sunflowers. Sprayed that foul smelling deterrent last evening. I'm thinking a lot electrifying my fences.
Rg
-
yeah, the Mrs says they are still out there. Not as many but still going. She says she still gets 20 or 30 a day. It's been cooler lately, might be why the numbers are down. As for the deer... yeah.... I know.
-
Bought a quart of Liquid Fence and a small pump up sprayer today. A fellow at work at I trust, said to give it a try. He suggested 2 applications a week apart and monthly beyond.
We'll see.
Rg
-
Anyone ever use human hair to deter deer? A guy I used to work with swore by it. He used to go to the local barber and get a trash bag of it, and spread it out and said it worked great.
-
Anyone ever use human hair to deter deer? A guy I used to work with swore by it. He used to go to the local barber and get a trash bag of it, and spread it out and said it worked great.
Works great. I spread it around my neighbors tree stands..... 8)
-
youre a Bad Man Dom.
I like it ;D
Rg
-
They used to use u human hair in the orchards around here.
Now they use motel size Irish spring soap. They punch a hole in the bottom of a Styrofoam cup and in the bar of soap. The soap is hung in the upside down cup with the string coming out the bottom to hang it on the young trees.
-
My neighbor swears by it.
Glad I use Dial ;D
Rg
-
hair doesn't work. It doesn't hold enough scent for long enough and deer will get used to just about anything. Even soap. We used the liquid fence and it worked great but it seriously stinks. Then my wife found out that you can make the stuff for a fraction of the price so we started using the homemade stuff and it worked just as good and stunk just as bad. After a couple years I said enough... I can put up with the deer better than having the yard stink like someone ran rotten eggs through my old socks.
One time I was target shooting with the bow in the back yard during the archery season when a doe stepped out of the woods in front of my target. I shrugged and put one through her lungs. There were a few of them standing back in the woods as I cleaned her out... didn't see a deer on my side of the wood line for more than a year after that.
-
The liquid fence I sprayed stinks for a couple hours and then not at all. Home made stuff is ok but it's hard to strain enough to spray. I figure that there's only 2 or 3 good months of growing season left for the flowers anyway. I'll just spray as directed. 2 times a week apart and then once a month.
No dmaage the last two nights .
Rg
-
My wife used to make it up 1 gal at a time and strain it through cheese cloth and we put it in a garden sprayer. I never had a problem... but then again, I refused to spray the stuff. LOL! There's supposed to be some stuff out now that doesn't stink as bad. I don't know how well it works or even if it's a real thing.
-
Coyote urine also works well around tree stands, I mean gardens... ;)
-
I use the 17HMR for the woodchuck battles, after neutralizing four, I think I won that war for this year...
For deer I use soap, Irish Spring, I place it around my sweet corn. I hang it from stakes about 3' up, kinda like soap on a rope.
I made a scarecrow also, Michael with be going on duty soon...
-
Jackson?
Rg
-
Deer are so darn adaptable that most any nonlethal approach will eventually be overcome by them. I was at Penn State for a few years and hunted on their property. They were conducting research on methods to keep deer out of crop fields. They had sound cannons activated by motion detectors. I think they said the deer ignored those in short order. They built tall fences around a corn field. The deer actually dug holes in opportune spots and crawled underneath. There was one approach, I think, that was effective. It was a regular fence with a tarp that obstructed their view. Apparently they don't like to jump a fence if they can't see what is on the other side. I personally have tried using an electric fence to keep horses out of a clover field. The deer ran right through the fence on several occasions. They are amazing critters. Tasty, too! jperch
-
Electric fence keeps them all out. Squirrels, house cats, feral cats, opossums, raccoons, coyotes, bears, and deer. One strand 4" high, second strand 8" high will stop them all. ;D
-
Speaking of critter deterrents......I decided to transplant some chard and leaf lettuce into the garlic bed.
(https://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv15%2Fbrfixit%2FIMG_1690_zpsekfvlhtd.jpg&hash=09d956ba09ee605dd25ce16ae1ce7eb5) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/brfixit/media/IMG_1690_zpsekfvlhtd.jpg.html)
(https://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv15%2Fbrfixit%2FIMG_1689_zpsh8hccfnu.jpg&hash=5c47ca5cda7571d9bb27645824f6b523) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/brfixit/media/IMG_1689_zpsh8hccfnu.jpg.html)
I figure it ought to keep unwanted marauders from the free meal.
Rg