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My Fish Finder Main => General Fishing Discussion => Topic started by: SHaRPS on Apr 24, 2018, 10:04 AM
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Hey all,
I have a 2008 Triton TR165 with a 90hp Johnson saltwater edition motor and I have not run it since it was last winterized 2 seasons ago. When she was put to sleep all was fine however, i started her up yesterday without any issues but she was smoking a bit at first and sort of "puttering" until about the 15 time i started her she ran fine in neutral until i shut her down. I then started her up again and when giving her gas she would bog down and shut off. Any idea what i should be looking for? I am tempted to drop her off to my local marina but at 120 per hour, i rather look into it a bit more first. Bad fuel? filter?
Again, no issues starting up but she definitely is not running smooth and she doesnt like getting gas. I may run her again today to see if just burning some fuel will help.
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Had an issue very much like that a few years ago. Wasp had built a nest in my air in-take. Motor wasn't getting enough air and would shut down when I gave it some gas....Just something to check...h2l
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Had an issue very much like that a few years ago. Wasp had built a nest in my air in-take. Motor wasn't getting enough air and would shut down when I gave it some gas....Just something to check...h2l
I will take a look today. Thanks!
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Check to make sure your tank vent is clear and not vacuum locking. Open the gas cap and see if that helps.
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Might also change spark plugs. Might have fowled them upon start up after winterization
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Might also change spark plugs. Might have fowled them upon start up after winterization
You are the 3'rd person that suggested this. I am going to change them all this week.
Jethro - I will also open up the gas cap.
For now...... more rain.
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here's the thing... it sat for 2 =years... any fuel left in the carburetor bowls has evaporated leaving behind a residue( this happened with good gas too...it's not all ethanol's fault... corn fuel has been around a long time...any engine built in the mid 80's on can handle it ...) the needles and seats in the carbs. will be hard ( some times they re soften but not always)...most likely leaking gas...even a vey small amount will cause idling problems ...the fuel pump most likely has dried out as well.. buy carb kits and new needle and seats.. clean the carbs replace the needed parts... replace the fuel pump and primer ball and it'll run like new... you'll spend less than $200...
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here's the thing... it sat for 2 =years... any fuel left in the carburetor bowls has evaporated leaving behind a residue( this happened with good gas too...it's not all ethanol's fault... corn fuel has been around a long time...any engine built in the mid 80's on can handle it ...) the needles and seats in the carbs. will be hard ( some times they re soften but not always)...most likely leaking gas...even a vey small amount will cause idling problems ...the fuel pump most likely has dried out as well.. buy carb kits and new needle and seats.. clean the carbs replace the needed parts... replace the fuel pump and primer ball and it'll run like new... you'll spend less than $200...
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Roccus - Thank you very much for this post. I am no marine mechanic and I KNOW you have worked on many boats and engines before. Once the rain stops I am going to drain the remaining fuel, change the spark plugs and make sure i dont have any nests in there. If that fails I will do some research on how to change the needles and seats and also run a carb cleanig kit through her. I will let you know the outcome!
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Grab a can of Seafoam and put it in the tank too. It won't hurt a thing and will probably do wonders for the fuel system once you get it running. Good luck.
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Nice post Joe. Good luck Mike. I need to fix a fuel leak on my 140 and replace the starter still. Also if your johnson is 2 stroke and has a vro pump...the diaphram breaks and causes similar symptoms.
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Thanks all. It looks like it will be dry tonight so I am going to mess around with her a bit. Vacation right around the corner so either I am fixing her or someone else is. I am also in the market for a new Trolling motor and Cranking battery. Any recommendations? 55lb thrust Minnkota.
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Thanks all. It looks like it will be dry tonight so I am going to mess around with her a bit. Vacation right around the corner so either I am fixing her or someone else is. I am also in the market for a new Trolling motor and Cranking battery. Any recommendations? 55lb thrust Minnkota.
My next upgrade for the boat will be replacing the original 12 volt Powerdrive 55 with a 24 volt, 80lb thrust Terrova with I-Pilot. As for batteries I will always buy Interstate, they seem to last longer than the cheaper ones if treated right.
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That's funny because I run dual Interstates on my CC. I was also going to get them for the bass boat but was seeing what others like as well.
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Thanks all. It looks like it will be dry tonight so I am going to mess around with her a bit. Vacation right around the corner so either I am fixing her or someone else is. I am also in the market for a new Trolling motor and Cranking battery. Any recommendations? 55lb thrust Minnkota.
I ran Minn kota for years always the fresh water version ..in salt water.. they never came off the boat... they lasted just about 3 years before they disintegrated.. I loved them... I bought a salt water version.. 55 lb thrust salt water version.. biggest hunk of garbage I ever spent money on... constant issues.. never made it more than a week without developing lower unit leaks... breaking bolts or the electrical problems...one night I took off with it down... 115HP of 2 stroke Merc ripped it right off the transom... best thing that ever happened.. because it spent more time in the shop than on my boat.. I replaced it with a Motor guide.. 12 Volt 55LBs of thrust.. I'm going on 7 years with it and it performs as good as the day I bought it... it spends all summer on the back of my boat in a slip.. and has never been off the boat.. stronger than the Minn Kotta too...
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I run a riptide st 55lb witb ipilot but have not used in salt ever. Bought it used. Works well. However I know you use yours a lot Joe so thats a recommendation id consider if I did use mine in salt. I like the 12v 55 with 2 group 34's. I cant kill the pair in a day of constant trolling.
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I run a riptide st 55lb witb ipilot but have not used in salt ever. Bought it used. Works well. However I know you use yours a lot Joe so thats a recommendation id consider if I did use mine in salt. I like the 12v 55 with 2 group 34's. I cant kill the pair in a day of constant trolling.
I have more hours on my trolling motor than my main engine... Group 34 is the way to go... I have an on board smart charger ( Promar 36volt {3 12's}..smart charger)I plug the boat in every night when I'm done fishing... battery power is never a problem... as I have the Group 34 deep cycle for the trolling motor... a group 34 deep cycle for electronics only and a group 34 starting battery that runs the engine only...power is distributed for the engine/charge system through a blue seas ACR and battery switch... the trolling motor battery is also under the console and wired via 2 Gauge wire to a quick disconnect in the stern next to the trolling motor... all those batteries weigh more than another person!
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I run a riptide st 55lb witb ipilot but have not used in salt ever. Bought it used. Works well. However I know you use yours a lot Joe so thats a recommendation id consider if I did use mine in salt. I like the 12v 55 with 2 group 34's. I cant kill the pair in a day of constant trolling.
rip tides are supposed to be really good( and I had phenomenal luck with the F/W version minn kottas)... that's why I bought the one I had.. I just got a lemmon..it happens... in the end I was better off.. but I ran of patience with that particular motor.. and I have the patience of a steel trap!
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I have the 2 34's in the bow and two 27's in the back for cranking and accessories. I use 2 2 bank chargers and do the same. Plug them in end of day and then im always good to go. Still rocking flooded lead but have thought about AGM.
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tried the AGM route( group 27)...saw no benefit... in 2 years they were junk... I normally get 4 years out of a battery and replace them at that time..no matter how good they are.. before I have an issue... I tried swimming home once.. not fun!..AGM's are great in my ice electronics and 4 wheeler... after that IMHO..not worth the extra money.
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There is three posible reasons for the problem one is fuel either insufficient flow of or bad fuel .. others causes are spark.. as in plugs like not gapped correctly any more or not enough spark either coil pack or leaking sparks threw wires to ground can be seen at night with light off.. or there is a gasket leak some were like the carb gasket usally this is a high idle followed by a stall when accelerating. .or a eratic idle with infiltrating air ... then just stalling when fuel is applied.
My bet is it is fuel problem like insufficient amount hitting the carb could be because of a vent tube plugged or a fuel filter or carb.. look for spiders webs or moths in the fuel vent area when we winterize some times bugs get in.. . try cleaning tank vent tube with compressed air.. if needed??? But probllay carb cleaning or fuel filter are the probable causes .. could even be a spider crawled in the fuel nipple connector if you had fuel hose off etc.. or primer bulb is bad etc .. investigate all fuel probability before you take in any how best of luck at it..
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changed spark plugs and she definitely fires up stronger but issue not resolved.
checked and do not see any bug or web activity at all.
opened up gas and drained almost all of it.
last thing i want to check tonight is the primer bulb.
so if i were to take my best bet after listening to her first hand, i am betting its either bad fuel or maybe even the fuel pump. I am going to dump new fuel into her this weekend and see what happens. if this fails i think ive reached the limit of what i can do.
i also checked the fuel filter and its clean.... it was also full after running her so i actually think she is getting enough fuel.... just old fuel.
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just old fuel.
So it's 2 year old fuel, right? If it wasn't treated before storage (and even if it was) I'm willing to bet that is your problem. Fuel sucks these days. My motorcycle won't run right on month old gas.
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Everything I hear about gas nowadays says its junk after a few months, even with stabilizers added. An old mechanic told me that is the first thing he does with any motor that has those issues and brings it to him to fix. I would definitely try new fuel and then go from there, especially since she ran better with the new plugs also check them to see how they look before running with fresh gas.
Also I only run 93 non ethanol in my engines.
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I had just under half a tank of gas and was able to siphon out almost all of it. I still have about 1/8 of a tank left and cannot get it out. Do you guys think adding new fuel up to the half tank line will be ok or does it all have to be taken out first? ( not sure how i can get the rest out did all i could last night) I will add stabilizer as well.
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I think you should be fine adding as much fresh fuel as you can with the stabilizer.
But if you do want to get all the old fuel out how about a siphon?
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I think you should be fine adding as much fresh fuel as you can with the stabilizer.
But if you do want to get all the old fuel out how about a siphon?
I used a siphon and the rest would not come out. I think its because its so low to the ground.. .i really dont know.
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Fresh High grade fuel you should be fine.
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Fresh High grade fuel you should be fine.
Thats my plan. I will get the highest grade I can and fill her up halfway.
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Thats my plan. I will get the highest grade I can and fill her up halfway.
Add some Seafoam too.
https://seafoamsales.com/ (https://seafoamsales.com/)
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Maybe add a injector cleaner like Lucas or gum out injector cleaner.. before you fill it up.. if carbs varnished a little the fuel cleaner may help?? Then just run it get it cleaned out.. or pull carb or fuel pump if bad?? cause to me it sounds like it's starving for fuel.. that is if the gas is not bad? By the way you said you have to throtle it to keep it running.. then when you dropped the hammer it bogged and stalled.. from insufficient fuel or bad fuel.. wich could be the carb jets could be plugged or some thing like a fuel pump if it has one?? So iF It Not The Fuel Pump The INJECTOR Cleaner Will help..
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Maybe add a injector cleaner like Lucas or gum out injector cleaner.. before you fill it up.. if carbs varnished a little the fuel cleaner may help?? Then just run it get it cleaned out.. or pull carb or fuel pump if bad?? cause to me it sounds like it's starving for fuel.. that is if the gas is not bad? By the way you said you have to throtle it to keep it running.. then when you dropped the hammer it bogged and stalled.. from insufficient fuel or bad fuel.. wich could be the carb jets could be plugged or some thing like a fuel pump if it has one?? So iF It Not The Fuel Pump The INJECTOR Cleaner Will help..
seafoam boon
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Air in the fuel lines does that too. No amount of foam from the sea or otherwise will fix that.
Mike is that a 2 stroke 90 with vro?
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Air in the fuel lines does that too. No amount of foam from the sea or otherwise will fix that.
Mike is that a 2 stroke 90 with vro?
Yes it is Jon.
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Filled her up with new gas, 93. Going to give her a whirl in a few. If its not the gas, 1 down and more to go. lol
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Yes it is Jon.
Definetly read about VRO pump and the diaphram. Mine went last year. If you get her idling and someone pumps the ball and you then have throttle...then it could be the vro pump failing. I premix and replaced the Vro pump with a mechanical one for fuel only.
Higher octane is not going to change a thing btw. The only thing higher octane prevents is pre-ignition aka detonation. It wont make your engine run better unless your timing is wicked advanced thus calling for a higher octane rating. Fresh 87 would have done the trick too!
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Jon - Already tried pumping the ball while idling and in throttle and no bueno. Ball is hard the whole time and fuel is flowing yet she stalls out. I really think it may be bad gas but i wont know for sure until i run her for a bit tonight with new fuel.
Whats the easiest way to post a video on here from my phone?
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Whats the easiest way to post a video on here from my phone?
Put it on youtube and post the link to it here.
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My mechanic told me the biggest difference with the 93 octane is it is better gas less crude in it and that is the only non ethanol I can find.
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Well I can report that I changed the fuel, new spark plugs, and let her run for a while and the problem is still not solved. I think I have done all I can with the allotted time. Now its a matter of getting her into the shop because my best guess at this point is something to do with the Carbs. Weather looks good tomorrow and Wednesday so its time to paint her and then get the engine worked on.
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I had a problem like that with my motor. The plastic float bowl on the carbs warped at the gasket and let the carb suck air. Replaced with brass and problem solved!
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I had a problem like that with my motor. The plastic float bowl on the carbs warped at the gasket and let the carb suck air. Replaced with brass and problem solved!
Worth a shot, I will take a look.
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good god!!!!! they using plastic float bowls now!? lmao
for a long time now, they have made engines run so lean, it doesnt take much to flub them up. i had a push mower several years ago that i had to poke the jet hole out(just hole in float bowl bolt) every 4th or 5th mow. the gas seemed to jell up in the tiny little hole, and not enough suction to clear it.
did you spay carb cleaner in it and poke out any passage holes you can get to, without taking it too much apart? i dont know how the new ones are put together, but this perfect example-- (skip to 3:30 in vid to see.)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5cxBMDezuU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5cxBMDezuU)
Walboro and Tillotson both have have making plastic carb bowls and components for over 20 years... Rochester made some on the Quadrajet Carbs back in the 70's..
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fishogger I did and no luck. She is currently at the shop and should be worked on this week. I did all I could and pretty much figured out the carbs are the issue and probably need some deep cleaning. Just something i rather have a pro work on at this point for 2 reasons... 1) I honestly do not want to mess it up and 2) I have been so busy after work every evening working on the boat, motor, garden, etc etc that I want to spend some evenings with my boy. Growing way too fast and need some bonding time. That kid means the world to me and now is the time to teach him what I know and just have fun.
Gunnar Michael 17 months
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Working on the Garden
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Knocked out mid meal.... priceless.
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2) I have been so busy after work every evening working on the boat, motor, garden, etc etc that I want to spend some evenings with my boy. Growing way too fast and need some bonding time. That kid means the world to me and now is the time to teach him what I know and just have fun.
Best reason in the world.
Say no more.
Good luck on the motor.
Let us know what they found after you get it back.
I love fishing with my kids.
Here is my oldest son Jeff last Sunday.
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Thats awesome Mac!
I am looking forward to taking him on the boat this season and helping me out digging some clams. Nice smallie!
I actually just got the call the the motor is fixed. I was told she is running like new and the issue was 2 gunked up carbs, 2 were fine. Exactly what i was expecting to be honest. And honestly, the cost was 50% less than i expected. I was expecting a $500 - $600 bill and it was $250. Now i need to order new seats for the bench as well as front and back from bassboatseats.com. I can get all 5 for under $400. I also think my aerator needs to be changed. The last thing i would like to do is buy the correct wiring for my Lowrance Elite 9 and add it to my bass boat with a swing arm. I already have the unit so I would really just need the cord for the power and the cord for the unit. Having some trouble finding the right ones. This would be great as i can then use the gps/fishfinder it on both of my boats.
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And honestly, the cost was 50% less than i expected. I was expecting a $500 - $600 bill and it was $250.
Sharps that's excellent to hear! As long as the wind don't hamper fishing.. teach that boy the finer things in life.. like how to enjoy your self.. I am Glad you saved a lot on the carb rebuilds.. cause shop rates can be astronomical.. seen a few that are $80 to $120 a hour around here.. that's for suspension work.. on a auto mobile.. wich can be just as easy as carb work depending on what your doing..
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Thanks boondox.
All of the marinas charge $110-$120 per hour around me. This is why $250 was actually pretty shocking to me. I am sure its fairly easy but now my worries are behind me and vacation is looking even better. Few more things to get her in top shape and its game on.
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Worst part is its all quoted in hours of labor and regulated by the state here.. there are soft ware that estimates hours need to r&r wich is remove and replace or remove and repair depending if it's a auto mechanic or auto body?? Best to know aprox hours required for guestimate.. if being ripped off in michigan.. there is two column you can find for hours one is reg duty fixes and one extream duty like if fasteners are rusted or gulded etc.. but any how it's done and behind you which is the best part ..
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as long as it gets fixed so you can get back in the saddle man. hope they dont ride you too hard at "the shop".
Got her back yesterday and she sounded good. Going to try and get her out for a run this weekend to make sure all is well for the big lake.
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:thumbup_smilie:
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Man.... sitting here counting down the days until vacation. Motor is good and just ordered my set of new seats yesterday.... bench, front and back. I thought the aerator was dead but that's working as well. Lights are good, trolling motor only has 5 hours on it, and she has fresh coat of non stick epoxy. Ready to roll! Oh yeah, and a new trolling motor battery. I will post pictures once the seats are installed. 25 days left.
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Man.... sitting here counting down the days until vacation. Motor is good and just ordered my set of new seats yesterday.... bench, front and back. I thought the aerator was dead but that's working as well. Lights are good, trolling motor only has 5 hours on it, and she has fresh coat of non stick epoxy. Ready to roll! Oh yeah, and a new trolling motor battery. I will post pictures once the seats are instralled. 25 days left.
Very cool!
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Man.... sitting here counting down the days until vacation. Motor is good and just ordered my set of new seats yesterday.... bench, front and back. I thought the aerator was dead but that's working as well. Lights are good, trolling motor only has 5 hours on it, and she has fresh coat of non stick epoxy. Ready to roll! Oh yeah, and a new trolling motor battery. I will post pictures once the seats are installed. 25 days left.
Great to hear! I'm counting off the days myself!
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Yup - 6/23 I leave for Canada with my Lund for a week.
On an Island in a remote lake.
Only accessible by boat or plane.
And the boat trip is a 2 part trip.
Up a river, then they portage your rig up over a dam.
Then further up the river and out into the lake.
No cell phones or internet.
Awesome!!!
https://island10.com/ (https://island10.com/)
Can't wait.
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This weekend is a big one for me. Ill be down at the canal trying to beat last years 44# striper.
Mac that sounds like fun. Mike that winni trip sounds good!
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Wow 44 pound striper! That's a big fish!
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Wow 44 pound striper! That's a big fish!
The largest I released unweighed was 52" probably 48-49 pounds as she was a skinny girl. 50lbs is the goal.
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The largest I released unweighed was 52" probably 48-49 pounds as she was a skinny girl. 50lbs is the goal.
.. the big fish pipe line has been quiet this season... last season there were a lot of big fish around early.. at least your goal is realistically attainable..