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Title: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: joefish1 on Jul 14, 2019, 06:08 AM
https://cnycentral.com/news/local/139-pound-sturgeon-caught-in-onedia-lake-is-largest-since-recovery-program-began-in-1995
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: taxid on Jul 14, 2019, 07:12 AM
I thought it was interesting the article didn't say the fish had a tag in it. If not it's not one that was planted. So...
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: trapper2000 on Jul 14, 2019, 11:23 AM
oh 'm sure tats  one of the stocked fish I'm sure  ...I find it interesting they stock suck a limited  amount  why not stock Ontario and the other lakes  and why not stock enough so we can legally fish for them

taxid they are cool to see I caught on in Oneida river  ....

a lot have been caught but the guys aen't going to post pictures because of all the tree huggers going crazy yelling about taking the 2 seconds to take the picture ......
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: seamonkey84 on Jul 14, 2019, 04:25 PM

a lot have been caught but the guys aen't going to post pictures because of all the tree huggers going crazy yelling about taking the 2 seconds to take the picture ......
In Maine, it’s still possible to catch an Atlantic salmon (besides the landlocked variety), but it’s illegal to even pull it out of the water. People still catch them, any pics I’ve seen are with the fish grabbed by the tail or in a net, but still in the water.
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: Chowdaire on Jul 14, 2019, 07:52 PM
Like this beauty I got a few years ago in Oneida?


(https://i.postimg.cc/5XcTntk4/B3-F1-B63-F-5-A16-466-A-94-EA-62-D567-BE34-B5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5XcTntk4)
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: icejohn on Jul 14, 2019, 08:36 PM
oh 'm sure tats  one of the stocked fish I'm sure  ...I find it interesting they stock suck a limited  amount  why not stock Ontario and the other lakes  and why not stock enough so we can legally fish for them i

taxid they are cool to see I caught on in Oneida river  ....

a lot have been caught but the guys aen't going to post pictures because of all the tree huggers going crazy yelling about taking the 2 seconds to take the picture ......

Trapp...they do stock in lake Ontario....they stock them in couple of the bay's.
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: chrony59 on Jul 15, 2019, 07:21 AM
Yes , they do stock Lake Ontario …………….. they have signs about them posted on the Charlotte Pier !!
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: yankmyline on Jul 15, 2019, 09:39 AM
I wondered how big the ones they stocked are because it takes a long time to grow to that size?
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: trapper2000 on Jul 15, 2019, 02:16 PM
i say stock enough of them so we can fish for them if your going to do it  do it right the first time
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Jul 15, 2019, 05:29 PM
i say stock enough of them so we can fish for them if your going to do it  do it right the first time

Amen go big or go home
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: taxid on Jul 15, 2019, 08:11 PM
i say stock enough of them so we can fish for them if your going to do it  do it right the first time

With all the fish and game departments trying to reintroduce species and stocking native fish vs. exotic, you would think they would want to make Lake Ontario the way it was once by pushing Landlocked Atlantic salmon. Lake Ontario once had an incredible amount of native landlocked salmon.

Here's a big one out of I think Torch Lake in Michigan.

(https://i.imgur.com/exesp1t.jpg)
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: Chowdaire on Jul 15, 2019, 08:30 PM
Got this one on Ontario this spring. A handful of smaller ones too.


(https://i.postimg.cc/pmx9H5Pc/95-D36-E8-A-5-E5-E-407-A-8087-62-D258458985.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pmx9H5Pc)
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: seamonkey84 on Jul 15, 2019, 09:25 PM

Here's a big one out of I think Torch Lake in Michigan.

(https://i.imgur.com/exesp1t.jpg)
Might be the camera/fish angle, but that doesn’t look like an Atlantic... way too broad and the head shape isn’t right. Otherwise that is a “pellet pig” of a landlocked salmon. Here’s a native I caught this spring from Sebago (Maine)

(https://i.postimg.cc/z3wBzX3y/DCA2122-F-6927-4-FBB-B2-D5-93469-EC66132.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/z3wBzX3y)

Edit:
Got this one on Ontario this spring. A handful of smaller ones too.


(https://i.postimg.cc/pmx9H5Pc/95-D36-E8-A-5-E5-E-407-A-8087-62-D258458985.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pmx9H5Pc)

After looking at this pic closer, I agree it’s an Atlantic, and I take back the comment about the other one being too broad for an Atlantic lol. But the head shape still looks like a chinook to me (at least from the images I’ve seen)
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: taxid on Jul 15, 2019, 11:22 PM
Got this one on Ontario this spring. A handful of smaller ones too.


(https://i.postimg.cc/pmx9H5Pc/95-D36-E8-A-5-E5-E-407-A-8087-62-D258458985.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pmx9H5Pc)

Beautiful fish!
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: taxid on Jul 15, 2019, 11:24 PM
Might be the camera/fish angle, but that doesn’t look like an Atlantic... way too broad and the head shape isn’t right. Otherwise that is a “pellet pig” of a landlocked salmon. Here’s a native I caught this spring from Sebago (Maine)

(https://i.postimg.cc/z3wBzX3y/DCA2122-F-6927-4-FBB-B2-D5-93469-EC66132.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/z3wBzX3y)

Edit:After looking at this pic closer, I agree it’s an Atlantic, and I take back the comment about the other one being too broad for an Atlantic lol. But the head shape still looks like a chinook to me (at least from the images I’ve seen)

Seamonkey84,

What's throwing you off is it's a very fast growing fish with all the groceries it will ever need. That means the head is disproportionately small for the body because the head cartilage doesn't keep up with the rest of the body. I see it all the time in my pellet fed pigs.
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: seamonkey84 on Jul 16, 2019, 07:43 AM
Wow, I guess our forage isn’t as abundant, or they just don’t do well feeding on the Alewives that have been displacing the smelt.
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: taxid on Jul 16, 2019, 05:19 PM
Seamonkey84,

Were you around in the 70's when both the smelt and alewives were extremely abundant? I remember seeing fish that looked like they were on steroids.

That said as you probably know alewives aren't the best forage as they can cause a vitamin deficiency in salmonids. 

https://www.usgs.gov/news/lack-vitamin-b1-killing-great-lakes-fish
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: Raquettedacker on Jul 16, 2019, 05:32 PM
Wow this went from a sturgeon being caught in oneida to landlocks and  smelt and saw bellies all over....????
 And pretty sure sea monkey wasn't old enough for the 70's.... ;)
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: taxid on Jul 16, 2019, 08:12 PM
Wow this went from a sturgeon being caught in oneida to landlocks and  smelt and saw bellies all over....????
 And pretty sure sea monkey wasn't old enough for the 70's.... ;)

Hey we are well rounded anglers here. Any subject -- we are all experts.  :rotflol:

BTW what do you think about the humpback whales and how many tons of fish they inhale? Do you think they'll have an effect on the mackerel this year?  ;)

As far as Sea Monkey and the 70's at first I thought the comment was from Trapper2000 and then changed it to Sea Monkey84 when I realized he had made the comment.

And of course I keep forgetting how freaking old I am!  The 70's must feel like the Jarrasic Period to some of you!
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: trapper2000 on Jul 17, 2019, 05:03 AM
i don't remember the 70's  :rotflol:
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: bigal409 on Jul 17, 2019, 05:14 AM
i don't remember the 70's  :rotflol:
I do. Got married in the 70's. Forgot her name though.lol  :whistling: :whistling:
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: joefish1 on Jul 17, 2019, 06:20 AM
Well at least it got you guys talking again.  Things were pretty dull for awhile.  No one wanted to talk about anything so thats why it was started.
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: trapper2000 on Jul 17, 2019, 06:42 AM
my opinion is simple ...their stocked  stock  more of them and let people fish for them ......what good are they and why waste the money if sportsmen can't enjoy them ???? 
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Jul 17, 2019, 08:42 AM
my opinion is simple ...their stocked  stock  more of them and let people fish for them ......what good are they and why waste the money if sportsmen can't enjoy them ????


You can enjoy them on a catch and release only not a fillet and release that's all. I know we all prefer the fillet and release method but until they have a healthy population or they stock more we aren't going to be able to do that
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: zwiggles on Jul 17, 2019, 08:47 AM
Wow, I guess our forage isn’t as abundant, or they just don’t do well feeding on the Alewives that have been displacing the smelt.

I think the one from torch lake was a state or world record. The bio said the lake has a stupid amount of shrimp in it, and that was why the fish was so fat.
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: trapper2000 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:31 AM

You can enjoy them on a catch and release only not a fillet and release that's all. I know we all prefer the fillet and release method but until they have a healthy population or they stock more we aren't going to be able to do that

NO YOU CAN NOT!  you are not  supposed to target these  fish in any way !  no catch and release  fishing ....... they should  just stock more  or use the money from this   to better the  fishing and access  we have ....again my opinion

I do not believe these fish will ever  be self sufficant ,that's why they disappeared to begin with
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: Rugburn on Jul 17, 2019, 10:03 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/qz5hCSbk/3718-B507-6-B23-4-D10-8848-1-D45-A66-D1-ECE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qz5hCSbk)

 The one they have from Oneida is a baby. They do reside in Lake Ontario. This floater was spotted in Guffin Bay. No visible injuries, at least 7' long, may have died of old age. Sorry about the picture of a picture (pre digital).
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: trapper2000 on Jul 17, 2019, 10:23 AM
https://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/26035.html (https://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/26035.html)

always been sturgeon in Ontario the idea is to get the numbers to increase
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: taxid on Jul 17, 2019, 12:57 PM
i don't remember the 70's  :rotflol:

So you're one of those young whippersnappers too eh?  If so you would have been in heaven when the salmon and trout were at their peak. I remember looking down off of a dam on the Thunderbay River in Alpena and watching hook jawed monster browns cruise back and forth. Unfortunately they were as lock jawed as the salmon that seemed to average 30 pounds. I don't know how much those browns weighed but their backs were a good 6 inches a across.

A local radio station here in Indiana would announce when the kings would stage off the river mouths. Those kings averaged in the upper 20's. 30 pounds was common.
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: trapper2000 on Jul 17, 2019, 02:14 PM
huhhhhhhhhhh taxid  I don't think understood   :rotflol:
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Jul 17, 2019, 04:07 PM
NO YOU CAN NOT!  you are not  supposed to target these  fish in any way !  no catch and release  fishing ....... they should  just stock more  or use the money from this   to better the  fishing and access  we have ....again my opinion

I do not believe these fish will ever  be self sufficant ,that's why they disappeared to begin with


I didn't mean it as targeting them cause I doubt anyone even knows what amor where to target then with. But if you happen to hook up with one enjoy it take pictures and release it
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: seamonkey84 on Jul 17, 2019, 08:37 PM
Seamonkey84,

Were you around in the 70's when both the smelt and alewives were extremely abundant? I remember seeing fish that looked like they were on steroids.

That said as you probably know alewives aren't the best forage as they can cause a vitamin deficiency in salmonids. 

https://www.usgs.gov/news/lack-vitamin-b1-killing-great-lakes-fish
No, born in ‘84 lol. I know that the salmon don’t do well feeding on alewife. The smelt population took a big hit when the alewife got into the lakes.
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: joefish1 on Jul 18, 2019, 05:49 AM
They do get big:  The Atlantic Sturgeon is a large-bodied, slow-growing and late-maturing anadromous fish, which lives and grows in brackish, salty water, but spawns in fresh water. The largest fish to be captured in the St. Lawrence River (160 kg or 350 lb) was estimated to be about 60 years old.
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: big_guy_13021 on Jul 19, 2019, 09:41 AM
Believe it or not there's alot of sturgeon in the seneca river also..alot of them at the dam near cayuga lake
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Jul 19, 2019, 09:44 AM
Believe it or not there's alot of sturgeon in the seneca river also..alot of them at the dam near cayuga lake

I believe it but what I don't believe is that you have ever caught one as it's about 1000x bigger than anything you have ever hooked in to lol. Just kindding buddy it more like 10000x bigger than anything you have ever caught
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: bigal409 on Jul 19, 2019, 10:53 AM
I believe it but what I don't believe is that you have ever caught one as it's about 1000x bigger than anything you have ever hooked in to lol. Just kindding buddy it more like 10000x bigger than anything you have ever caught
LOL  :rotflol: :rotflol:
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: touge30 on Jul 19, 2019, 11:42 AM
i catch short nosed ones in the hudson all the time
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Jul 19, 2019, 11:45 AM
LOL  :rotflol: :rotflol:


Ypu just enjoy that I pick on him. Your all good sports about the ball busting we do here. But so we don't get in trouble this winter we need our own topic on ICE SHANTY
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: bigal409 on Jul 19, 2019, 12:59 PM

Ypu just enjoy that I pick on him. Your all good sports about the ball busting we do here. But so we don't get in trouble this winter we need our own topic on ICE SHANTY
I agree. We can call it " The guy who likes to take pictures of foul hooked fish and dinks"  :whistling: :whistling:
Title: Re: Trapper Did you see this one ?
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Jul 19, 2019, 05:30 PM
I agree. We can call it " The guy who likes to take pictures of foul hooked fish and dinks"  :whistling: :whistling:

Nah better yet we will call it "Only chance little guy doesn't out fish him"