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MFF US Midwest => Indiana => Topic started by: Jigmup on Apr 01, 2009, 07:34 PM
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What I can't stand....People who never register to a site but will observe you catching fish and then ruin the spot. I'm not pointing fingers 'cause I don't know who it is but I know that a lot of bank observers have been lurking lately. Got the word tonight that our spot was littered with fisherman. Please people respect the hard work others put into finding fish. If you must fish the same spot at least keep your trap shut! Now, the Jig is up! I've go no problem sharing my spot with those who adress me in PM's or share info with me but for lurkers to ruin a spot is just BS. Again, I don't know who it was and I don't know from what site he, she or they may frequent but I point this out to save others the same combersome fate! Cover your tracks if you can.
There is big money to be made if anyone can come up with a camoflauge suit that mimics water. I'll be the first to buy!
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One of the "FAULTS" of an outdoorsmens' website >:( More than likely, they suck as fishermen, and you've got nothing to worry about!!! Keep on 'em!! C-ya. Crappie Rob.
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Jigmup,
You are a good guy and probably gave a little too much information out about where you have been pounding them. I commend you for doing it, but my guess is a lurker or even a member here figured out the puzzle from the hints you provided and told a few others and now you have your spot covered up. I feel for you as I have had it happen to, but not for walleyes. I guess the safe thing to do is tell how deep, what lure, etc, but don't even hint at the lake or river you are on. I hope they don't beat your spot up where it is ruined.
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Yeah Dont give up to much info (except to me cause I can keep a secret)!!!!!! ;D
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As said, lure depth and such, just not the location. Dont forget we are all here to catch fish! Pm me and I will gladly resopnd.
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Jigmup
I know how you feel i had the same thing happen to me about a month ago. Some people have no respect.
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there are plenty of places to fish in indiana with great fish. as you said jigmup it just takes some work to figure them out. so others need to find there own spot and do a little work to figure them out and stop looking for handouts. i had a great spot for gills and crappie at chain'o and could bring home a 100 fish a day if i wanted untill i took a couple people there, then they took a few people there and next thing i know the spot is fished out. jigmup i appreciated the info you gave me on the eyes but you would never catch me setting up on top of you unless i was invited and others need to have the same respect. point=put in the time and you could be just as successfull.well maybe ;D
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A fishing spot is not someones secret morel picking spot. If you dont want people fishin "your" (?) spot or pickin morels at your spot, DONT tell. I share information alot, even gps coords, that doesnt mean they will catch fish. If I,m on a really great spot, only those close to my skin will know. The whole idea of these sites is to provide information. Its a catch 22 situation. It bites, and sometimes leaves a mark....
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Derslayer.....I agree with you but my point is that these are people who I have never told of the spot. These are people who are watching from a distance only to plod themselves in when the getting is good. The ones who know or who have been told by me or the other regular are good to go, meaning they respect the code. Its the ones who cant take seeing a few fisherman in the same spot over and over but who have never fished the spot that are comming and telling all.
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Derslayer.....I agree with you but my point is that these are people who I have never told of the spot. These are people who are watching from a distance only to plod themselves in when the getting is good. The ones who know or who have been told by me or the other regular are good to go, meaning they respect the code. Its the ones who cant take seeing a few fisherman in the same spot over and over but who have never fished the spot that are comming and telling all.
I hate to see that, but one thing I have noticed. You have given me a ton of advice of how to catch Walleye right now and I am using that info on some of my lakes and am having limited success. So, maybe it has to do with my technique and hopefully cause they are in your spot, they are not using the right technique and are not catching them? I am an optimist.....
Jeff
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I've had it happen to me several times. Then I started posted pics of fish and not revealed the spot or blanking out the back ground. People pounded me. Saying "these boards are for sharing information". I just learned my lesson and try to keep peace with everyone. I will gladly take fellow members to my hot spot if they promise to only go back with me or at least have the dignity to call me and ask about going back. Especially if kids are involved. I also reveal spots that can take a pounding for crappie and such because they are prolific spawners and need thinned out at times. I only take people to spots that practice the same principals of CPR that I do. Keep the crappie, rock bass and a few channels in the 3 to 5 pound range. Throw the smallies, flatheads and big channels back. When you fish the same holes for 5 years or so, you can figure out what can be cultivated for table fare and what needs to reproduce for future fun. These boards have improved my fishing tremendously by learning new techniques and new lakes/rivers. I get fired up when I see pics of other peoples fish. I post pics because, IMO it's returning the favor. I also try to never respond to a negative post about me. No need to fuel the fire. We all have our opinions and sometimes it's comes out in a negative fashion when we didn't mean it too. JMO don't nobody get all moody on me!
Jigmup your pics got a lot of us fired up and wanting to chase walleyes. Don't get discouraged and keep up the good work(and pics please ;D)
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DS. I know how you feel.... got the crap hammered out of me over on IS....but I learned a lot of what not to say.... last week on my local lake I was so geared up to hit a certain spot for crappies and when I got there another boat was about 20 yards away, so i stayed back....when they finally moved off I noticed another boat trolling my way so I waited before headin over....right has they moved over the spot they caught a nice crap and circled right back... could not believe it...waiting but they just circled back and fourth, I could have moved in when they made a larger circle but I pulled up and headed away down the lake.... after a while I noticed this boat coming down by me so when they went by I took off... when I come around the corner there was the boat that was there earlier..they too must have seen them catch it...cause there they sat.... so I sat back again and waited them out.... Finally they moved off.... I motored over set up and boom first cast...crappie, it's on... when I look up here comes the lake cleaner outer...this guy kept everthing he but on the ice, and I mean everything, I know it's his right, he paid for a license so, BUTTTTTTT can't show him anything or ...I slowly moved away pretending to miss fish after fish to draw him off the spot so again for another reason I was not able to fish...I know I only have a small window of opportunity when these fish are staged there before they move off so, I not trying to be greeted, I only take a few nicer ones and that's enough, it has become a yearly tradition since I found them there and a challenge to see when they show up and when they leave this spot.... Water temps seem to be the trigger... Camo suit for the boat would be great... funny I will take almost anybody with me to share!
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the same thing with ice fishing.you catch a few nice ones an the guys around you get on there cell phones
and call there buddys.
hour later here comes 6 guys said i heard your killen them
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finatic says it all in his opening line......learn what to say and stop! We've all been victims of "lurkers", phone chasers and just tellin a friend. Them days are over for me , some might consider me an a$$ but got tired of no parking spots left and trashed ice last season. Sounds like soft water going to be the same. Tactics or current bait go tos are all I give out now. Any locations given as of late are fictitious "snipe" hunts. Just the way it goes for now........
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Maybe this state needs size and quanity limits on panfish. Maybe this state needs to close, or limit numbers of anglers per day on some popular hard water hotspots. Maybe not. This could help slow down on lake "cleaner outers". (Finatic's post). This outta get some attenion.
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well, I might be considered a "lurker". I used to post a lot on IS. Then I ran into the same problem as jigmup.
It does seem a little funny when you and a buddy find a spot in the middle of lake, then your buddy tells his buddy, then his buddy starts handing out gps cords. Its like, what the $%#@. I believe that is the first time I met jigmup on Bass, a buddy of a buddy gave him the gps cords. This is by no means, any kind of slam against jigmup. I would have hit them spots too. That dude is an awesome fisherman and he could probably out fish me any day of the week. as i have learned a lot from his posts. (by the way, I promise it was not me that was hitting jigmups hot spot.)
anyway, my point is : It is my opinion that when someone shares a "hotspot" with you, (via PM or other means) it is very un-cool to share it with someone else.
Just my thougts.
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trebbled are you sure that was me? When was it and if it was I didn't know it was your spot and I'm sorry but I can't even remember having my GPS on Bass.
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It was just this past weekend when someone approached me on the dock and indicated " that according to those web sites, this place is hot!". I feel your pain :-\
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Jigm,
I am pretty sure it was you, I am quessing 4 or 5 years maybe (on the ice). as far as it being my spot?.... not....., if someone gave me gps cords to a hot spot, I would not feel sorry about going there. maybe it was not gps cords, it could have been detailed directions. Heck, 4 or 5 yrs ago... my memory isn`t what it used to be. but I am thinking it was you. I don`t think that the spot was "hot" the day you was there.
I really do enjoy ready your post tho.
Thanks.,
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yeah 4 or 5 years ago plus I don't know how many beers since then....well next time we'll swiss cheese that mutha until we find fish. I may be heading up there next weekend if so and you want to hook up just pm me.
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I too take some spots as personal ground. I dont guard them or chase people out or anything like that. But when I take someone there and tell them to keep them hush, then find out that they even named the spot and took their buddy there I get burnt. Being a fisherman I like to brag about a good day and tell how , when , and where. But you learn not to do that.
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Time to move on to your other frequents JM. Live and learn. I've kidded some of my fishin friends when I'm taking them to one of my many fishin holes that its gonnin cost em 20 bucks for their share of the gas I've spent finding this place and figuring it out. Sure some have told their friends who have told their friends who have told the whole bar and the next thing you know. Well you know. I thought about this and figured I've probalby spent more than $50k in gas traveling to my fishing holes and finding new locations in my lifespan. Man wasn't last year salty. I've spent the better part of many days just driving finding the launches, access sites and the ice fishing parking etc. Not to mention searching the lakes and emptying the tackle box trying to figure out the patterns and seasonal migrations. I havn't been very fortunate to have very many hotspots handed to me on a dinner plate by others. I've read a lot of very imformative information on this site since i've joined and appreciate the input, feedback, interesting topics, and techniques, etc.. but I'm generally playing my own game and this info doesn't dictate where I'm going to fish or when. Keep your head up as there better fishin over the horizon. Oh ya hard to beat those spies on the water and on shore with the binoculars. I've got the tricks for that but don't give those away. :'(
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jigmup,
I have encountered this (on the ice) also, and it sucks. At least most of the people who "pull this type of stunt" are not very good fisherman to begin with.
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ya jig fishtko an i get that alot, he is always borin me in or im borin him in !!!! lol. we wold like to get together with u an fish some, he is my fishin partner. we are workin on those eyes, gettin a little better. we have a few lakes around us that have some. that lurker stuff happens to us all the time.
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If you run out of bait don't go back to the same bait shop and back to your spot. The store was right on the lake. We were on some eyes and pike suckers were the trick and ran out. I returned indirectly but was on a wheeler. I suspect they glassed us and called out to a shanty with there friends and we had 2 other groups within 30 minutes. Didn't get a hit after. If on ice cover your catch in snow or in your shanty. People see a pile and they're your new neighbor. I'm guilty of that one too, but I make a mental note and return another time to give some respect.
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Well, this is not going to go over well but here it goes.....why would someone get mad that someone went to "his" spot and tried to catch fish ? Surely one must know that putting info on the internet is probably going to attract some attention right? Why do people post on this site or even log on to this site....? I would say there is only two major reasons....to brag to others about their fish catching or to find out where others are catching fish so that they will be able to go and try to catch fish themselves. I know some will say that they enjoy figuring out the pattern themselves...and I do too, but, if that was the case, the next trip out you would try to figure out a different pattern...but no....we will go back to where we think we can catch fish....because catching fish is really the most fun...if it wasn't, once we figured them out we would catch one or two and go home satisfied that we figured out the pattern.....but we dont...we stay and try to catch as many or bigger or whatever....if you don't want people in your spots that you been catching fish...don't tell. I get as mad as anyone when one of "my" spots are being fished by someone when I go there and try to get a few.....but I dont if I put it on the internet. If Im going to share info on a lake or river on here or another site it will be open to whoever can figure out the place...by whatever means...I dont care. If I just want to share with my fishing buddies I will call or e-mail them....dont mean to sound like an a** but I really dont get what you could possibly be mad about...???
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Derslayer.....I agree with you but my point is that these are people who I have never told of the spot. These are people who are watching from a distance only to plod themselves in when the getting is good. The ones who know or who have been told by me or the other regular are good to go, meaning they respect the code. Its the ones who cant take seeing a few fisherman in the same spot over and over but who have never fished the spot that are comming and telling all.
You know.. I've given my spot before, infact hot spots. But what you're saying right here... is plain and simple. C'mon. Seems like opporunistic invasion. I think you better get use to it, seems only plausible.
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Ok I'm not trying to start a rebuttle or anything like that. I'm saying that because of too many people fishing a very small area the spot has now become a zone for non methodical straight forward casting with the hope for a fish. It use to be a spot where a couple of people could go and work the area anb bag a few walleyes. now it is a minature Maummee river. All this because someone drives up gets out a pair of binoculars and sees whats up. Then he tells, and that person tells and maybe the bait store guy heres and then its over. have never told where the spot is. But, Kudos to the new guys, youve done some great spy work.
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You should just get right in there make your casts and when the others don't like you crossing their lines you just tell them, "This is my spot, I"M JIGMUP, BEAOTCH!!
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Well its not my spot 'cause I don't own the lake....or so I've been told ;D but I did manage 5 under the cover of darkness last night...A different spot and I used the night as my camo!
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Jigumup, I understand and sympathize with your situation. I see you post on several boards and it is obvious that you are an accomplished fisherman. As such, you should expect people to follow you. You are not alone. I know of another on a few other boards that has/had the same problem. I don't see how you can prevent someone from breaking out the binoculars and hunting you down. But you can post some misinformation on the boards, then let your friends know the truth. Also, I suspect the ones that are using binoculars know who you are, so the misinformation may have them looking for you at the wrong places.
Other than that, I don't know what a successful person can do to minimize your problem. It is a problem that I have never had because I struggle putting fish in the boat. Maybe you should start going out with me, then no one will pay any attention to you and won't recognize your boat? :)
Seriously, it is a double edged sword. There is no good solution.
Tight lines,
Jeff
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I was fishing my honey hole today and about 5 boats came right up to where i was fishing now it is in a channel and i was on the bank but non the less they came right up within 15 feet of me i was so upset they would fish for about 5 min then fire up the out board and burn out of there scaring all the fish out i wanted to shoot them.
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I was fishing my honey hole today and about 5 boats came right up to where i was fishing now it is in a channel and i was on the bank but non the less they came right up within 15 feet of me i was so upset they would fish for about 5 min then fire up the out board and burn out of there scaring all the fish out i wanted to shoot them.
I know what you mean, but if you are bank fishing you can not prevent a boat from navigating the channel. Most would not fish right where you were fishing or use the trolling motor to pass as to minimize the stirring of the water, but not everyone is as nice. From the looks of your catch today they did not scare the fish for long!!!!! :o :o
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I prefer the name..Cyber trollers.... A person that has no intention to give any information and is just there to get detail or clues were to fish next...This place is full of them, Some times i am guilty of it..I like it when you put your picture as you avatar so everybody know what you look like. Bragging will get you burned everytime and it makes it easy for others to find you when you are out fishing in... YOUR PUBLIC LAKE HOT SPOT....Lose lips sink ships .I would never post were i am on a hot bite. Only my closest fishing Buddy's that go with me get in on the action but that's is far as it goes,I have been fishing Bass,Max and the big lake with a lot of in betweens for about 20 years so i know the patterns. But i put time and money in equipment and fishing in general with a lot of days by myself to find action..You post it on the web get ready for people to be there next time you go.And trust me they don't give a S&^t about the trash they leave there eather...
SO GET USED TO IT
Have a nice day
RiZzO
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aman rizzo. a neve never tell the baitshop the truth gene
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the bait shop is the worst place to say any thing about where u were or how you did. when ever they ask me how i did i always say crappy and tell them a diff place of where i really fished. And when i am fishing it is usually from the bank and somebody comes up to me and says how are you doing i always say not worth a nuts and cover up my bucket so they dont see whats in it. All it takes is somebody to see the fish in your bucket/livewell and go tell everybody and there brothers and next thing you know your spot is over run with dumb shits. ****censored word**** everybody that just thinks they can walk onto your spot and take over go find your own place. sorry guys if i got a little crazy this crown royal is making me feal good right now ;D ;D ;D :D :D. any way to everybody that has found a place to fish on there own with out sonebody telling them about it more power to ya. anybody can get a phone call about a place and go and catch fish but not everybody can go find there own spot without somebody telling them where to go.
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haha I think its funny how they put in other words on here to cover up the swear words.
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I think that's for the younger ones that are on the site :o ;D
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what is for the younger ones jim?
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The censored words. But most of the young ones could teach me new ones
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The hard part about this sort of problem is that anyone fishing the same spot 8 or 9 times in a two week period is going to get noticed by any observant angler and eventually you will have company. I know when i am on a lake fishing and see the same boat hanging in the same area every time i go out there, i am eventually going to drive over that area with the electronics and see whats there. But that's why i night fish all summer
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The hard part about this sort of problem is that anyone fishing the same spot 8 or 9 times in a two week period is going to get noticed by any observant angler and eventually you will have company. I know when i am on a lake fishing and see the same boat hanging in the same area every time i go out there, i am eventually going to drive over that area with the electronics and see whats there. But that's why i night fish all summer
Night fishing is a great option!! C-ya. Crappie Rob.
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When you see the number of people that are not logged in that are viewing be careful calling all of them "lurkers." It is not unusual for me to not be logged in at some of the computers at work but when I get home that is another story. Sometimes I just want to check things out.
As for the "bad" language - my eleven year old likes to go on here and check things out too. So, does the language bother me - yes. Last weekend some fishermen near us couldn't say a sentece without swearing. Makes you wonder why sometimes.
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The question is not wheter or not you are a lurker Boomer....its obvious you are not. We are talking about those that are not registered or are registered and do not post with the sole intention of just gathering info that will enable them to get to a spot that is productive. Granted some of us do not post location but then again our location of orgin is known by the said lurkers therefore general reasoning would give up the spot in question. I do however believe in sharing timing, tactics, lures and colors as well as the spot as long as the general area can support the masses.
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Jigmup, I see. You are very good to post very nice reports on bait/techniques. I met you at Summit this winter. I think I had my boy with me. Do you still fish Summit in the warmer months? And why can't I find those nice crappie during the winter?
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U will never stop this from happening!!!(I call these guys HAWKERS)They look in your boat,buckets & any where else they can see what you are using & doing .
I did stop this from happening at one spot for sure (I BOUGHT IT & YOU NEED A KEY FOR THE GATE ;D)
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Sounds like a place we just got kicked out of for the first time in 10 yrs. Id rather have people fish "my" spot than out robbing old ladys.
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Okay, heres the deal, I think there are two separate situations we are talking about. One, is when we are there fishing and someone crowds us while we are fishing...the other is someone hits "your" spot while you are not there. If someone is fishing the spot you wanted to fish when you get to the lake or river....too bad... its public water and who is to say that it wasn't their spot first and you were the one that came and fished it after they did...spots on lakes and rivers produce sometimes for decades during certain times of the year....(traditional spawning sites...etc. ) so I doubt that you are the first one to " discover " a secret spot on an Indiana lake or river. And if someone posts on here that they have NEVER fished a spot after they saw someone or heard of someone catch fish from a certain spot I would have to call you a liar. Now as for people horning in on a spot while you are there fishing it...that is unacceptable....a true sportsman has to have some common courtesy. But in my opinion if someone isnt watching what is going on around them, such as how someone is catching or where they are catching then they aren't using all their available tools to help figure it out for next time.
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You hit the nail on the head Stag! Hard to beleive it took 48 posts to get it done.
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Okay, heres the deal, I think there are two separate situations we are talking about. One, is when we are there fishing and someone crowds us while we are fishing...the other is someone hits "your" spot while you are not there. If someone is fishing the spot you wanted to fish when you get to the lake or river....too bad... its public water and who is to say that it wasn't their spot first and you were the one that came and fished it after they did...spots on lakes and rivers produce sometimes for decades during certain times of the year....(traditional spawning sites...etc. ) so I doubt that you are the first one to " discover " a secret spot on an Indiana lake or river. And if someone posts on here that they have NEVER fished a spot after they saw someone or heard of someone catch fish from a certain spot I would have to call you a liar. Now as for people horning in on a spot while you are there fishing it...that is unacceptable....a true sportsman has to have some common courtesy. But in my opinion if someone isnt watching what is going on around them, such as how someone is catching or where they are catching then they aren't using all their available tools to help figure it out for next time.
Ok stag i dont disagree with anything you said, but when you are fishing and somebody comes up and keeps asking you what you are using how deep how fast or slow i mean come on guys watch me and then find out dont come up and ask me what i am doing i think thats crappy. I dont mind asking for adivce but it has to be at the right time and situation. most of the time i like to find out for my self it works better but there are always those guys out there that dont know there ass from a hole in the ground that will do what ever it takes to catch fish and if that means crossing the line then they will do it. we just have to put up with it and hope that it doesnt happen often. My choice is to fish when its crappy out side that way not everybody and there brother is out there. and i fish by my self 98% of the time so that way i know what i am doing is staying where it should be. Cant trust anybody these days. I have been posting allot of pics of all the crappie that i have been catching and i am really thinking about not posting anymore just beacause all it takes is a little homework and they can figure out where i am fishing and there goes my spot, and its not like its a secret. guys have been catching crappie up there this time of the year for many of years so i have heard. Any way to sum it all up just put up with guys it will never stop there will always be idiots out there that love to ****censored word**** things up.
JAKE
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I was out on Devils Lake here in MI 2 yrs ago for the first time just puttering around trying to figure out were to fish and as I passed two guys in a boat they told us to anchor up right by them as they where on a school of nice size perch. I couldn't believe my ears. They wanted us to fish there good spot. Well feeling like I was still intruding, even though they told me to, I anchored about 60' away. We chatted and they caught nice fish while we only caught a couple. I couldn't see just coming up by them and fishing that close. There are nice people out there that share. PM's are a great thing. And friends here are too. Just never abuse either.
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oh boy - I just came across this thread....same thread that was up on IS. Lots of people need lots of hugs. If I see you guys out on the water....yer all gettin' a big giant hug !! ;D so if some idiot comes up and gives you a hug for no reason...just take it and say "man, I wish I got more of those growing up"
on a side note...I've found some interesting topics to discuss on here and knowing what's hitting where and what they are using are not any of them. I know where they are and what to use so I come on here for other topics. Like one I just posted about how does everyone fix there transducer to their kayak....that sorta thing. I like the camaraderie on here...fun stuff when I'm not on the water, and I get to learn a thing or two about topics I may not otherwise discuss around my household or with the wife.
so zip it and take your hug like a man !! (https://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi262.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii94%2Fniagarajiggin%2Fhugging.gif&hash=9f0f7da9400af57ae48e0edc6e658aa6)
ps...spell check wants to change my name to Nicaraguan....now that's funny... ;D
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Might take me about a five year rotation to get around to all my spring hot spots. Oh I mean your hot spot. This has been a good one. I can't help but keep lurking in on this one.
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You know what really really makes me mad? When ??? 8) ;)brings the ;) ??? :D and takes the 8) :'( ;D that really burns me. Also when ice fishing what is really funny is when your catching fish and some sob drills a hole five feet from you, you keep catching fish and they dont, so they move behind or in front drill another hole and still cant catch anything then they ask whatcha useing, all i say is a colored lure with bait. :rotflol: :w00t:. Was out on a lake a few of weeks ago with a bud and watched this guy in a boat inch closer and closer to this amish family that where in there boat catching gills, and I kid you not this guy ended up being within thirty some feet from them anchored and started throwing his line toward where they where fishing, I could not believe it, oh yes when we got there he was at least a hundred yards from them, noticed he was watching our boat and the amish boat and they where catching fish and we wherent, and poof he started moving toward the boat catching fish. But as he fished he kept watching us. But alas we wherent catching anything so he left us alone. :clapping: :sleep1: :w00t:
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i agree most "lurkers" are worm and bobber fisher ppl, not fisher men. most likely wont catch didley..
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I had a guy in a boat earler this year ask me what the "secret" was, my reply keep your bait in the water!
I got a confused look for that one!