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MyFishFinder By Species => Trout => Topic started by: Mackdaddy21 on Mar 01, 2006, 06:10 PM
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Here is a study showing that bait fished actively has a low mortality and that barbless hooks do not have a significant difference in mortality than barbed hooks.
http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/es/science/inventory/TroutHooking.pdf
If thats not enough for you, do a google on barbless hooks and you will find countless studies by real scientists showing the same.
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I've been stuck with both barbless and barbed hooks and prefer barbless. Using barbless could of saved me an 80 mile round trip to the hospital. Originally I started going barbless because I found that perch caught in 30' of water had a better chance of successful release without the barbs and expanded it to ling cod fishing because I found that the hook point went into the tough mouth easier. I have fished with barbless for the past 15 years and find that if I do it right, I don't lose fish because of the lack of barbs. Some lakes in England do not permit barbless hooks because inexperienced anglers letting a fish have slack line cause tears to the mouth whereas a barbed hook would stay in place, but those lakes requiring barbless hooks are roughly in equal number. The day will no doubt come when all provinces require barbless hooks like Manitoba does. I don't need university studies to tell me if barbed hooks are harder on a fish being released, I've done the research. Google don't fish. ;)
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Did the google search and after looking throught 5 pages found nothing to support what you are saying infact everything was contrary to you saying it makes no difference, article after article after article said barbless hooks greatly improve the survival rate of fish..You must have found the onlystudy done in favor of what you want to believe.. It just makes sense that barbless hooks are easier on the fish especialy deep throat hook sets.. I found a half dozen articles that said barbed hooks cause a ton of damage to fish when just hooked in the jaw ex. broken jaw bones, permanent gowges in the lips, tooth loss and to top it off why would some catch & release fisheries be implementing barbless hooks only regulations? Because they are less likely to cause fatal wounds to fish.. I can't even see the reason for debate on this matter it just seems open and shut to me..
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nonsense, total nonsense.
Everyone knows that barbless hooks are better for C&R survival rates and it's harder to put fish in hand with barbless hooks.
Anyone can fish with barbed hooks and put fish in the boat or on the bank, but go barbless, it's a totally different story.
Just think about this one. If you believe everything you read. "jumping off bridges into the water isn't fun." SO not true, it is a TOTAL RUSH and fun as h#ll. Try it some time, or even off a cliff, it's great fun.
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Common sense tells me that landing a fish with a barbless hook will be more difficult and take a bit more skill and maybe even luck to accomplish, so less fish will be actually landed, I would think? It also seems to make perfect sense that although both produce a wound in the fish, the fish will be easier to unhook and handled for less time (in general) when using a barbless hook. And I would also think, for those who leave the fish in the water when releasing, it would be MUCH easier to unhook and release the fish. Just my two cents worth........These are just thoughts though, nothing scientific about my comments.
-Jim
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First of all...let's try a hyperlink..they're really not that hard
http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/es/science/inventory/TroutHooking.pdf (http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/es/science/inventory/TroutHooking.pdf)
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Just think about this one. If you believe everything you read. "jumping off bridges into the water isn't fun." SO not true, it is a TOTAL RUSH and fun as h#ll. Try it some time, or even off a cliff, it's great fun.
ROFLMFAO. Good one Camo ;D :rotflol:
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With a little practise it isn't hard to land fish on barbless hooks. Keep tension on the line, keep your rod-tip up, use the drag etc. I've been doing it for the last 15 years. If you don't do those things you'll be getting break-offs with barbed hooks anyway.
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That's an interesting report, Pikeguy! I was surprised at their conclusions. One thing I bet that wasn't figured in though, is the mentality of the angler. I'll bet that if a real-time study were done on individuals and their method of fishing, landing, handling and release methods, you'd find that those who purposely use barbless hooks injure far less fish than those who don't! My reasoning is that the guy or gal who is purposely using barbless hooks is probably also taking great care as well, when handling, unhooking and releasing all fish landed. It isn't all about the hook itself, in other words. By getting more anglers to use barbless hooks, perhaps you'd get more anglers to be more conscientious about other factors involved in fish mortality in the process? -Jim
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Interesting, but I can also dig up a couple links to studies that show barbless hooks are easier on fish.
Too many differnt variables in those studies, it changes from fisherman to fisherman also and how much you handle the fish, water, and air temp, water quality and the list goes on.
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Right. I agree totally. I think certain studies can cloud the supposed results, due to so many other contributing factors. My gut feelings still say that barbless hooks have to be better (for the fish) overall though, all factors considered. -Jim
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There are ton of factors they say if you want to release trout successfully you shouldn't touch them with your bare hand, that you should hold them with the net or use those net gloves.. I guess the oil from our skin doesn't mix well with the slimmy protective layer they have and just handling them in general removes the slime and they can get infections..
I use barbless hooks and once you get the feel of how to use them properly you can net the same amount of fish.. When I used to use barbed hooks fish still got off one way or the other..The other positive I see from barbless is the fish your not going to take a picture of, you don't even have to try and handle, you can remove the hook while there in the net and water and let them go.Try that with barbe hook thats burried in a fishes jaw.. I can't count how many times I got over a fish like a surgeon trying to remove a hook with a barb..
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There are ton of factors they say if you want to release trout successfully you shouldn't touch them with your bare hand, that you should hold them with the net or use those net gloves.. I guess the oil from our skin doesn't mix well with the slimmy protective layer they have and just handling them in general removes the slime and they can get infections..
I grew up being told that you should always dip your hand in the water before you take hold of a fish so as not to remove their slime coating. Later in years I was told by a good friend that was a Waterways Officer of 20+ years that if you wet your hand, it becomes much harder to hold on to a fish and therefore you tend to squeeze them harder possibly injuring the fish. I dunno...I guess it's best to try and keep them in the water if you intend to release them....WK
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I think the biggest factor that has been ignored here as far as mortality is concerned among catch and release fishing is the length of time you play the fish...fighting a fish to exhaustion on light line is FAR more damaging than barbs vs. barbless in my opinion. If you are considering releasing fish use heavier line and reduce the time of the fight!
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I don't know if any of it really matters for panfish I catch and release Crappie up too 13", Yellow Perch up to 12", Bass up to 3lbs, Bluegills up to 10" all ffrom my private pond some of these fish have probably been caught 100 times over the years they are full of hook holes and some of them unfortunately have ripped mouths from some of the kids that fish in the pond. For the most part I have not noticed any difference in the population of bigs ones year after year i recognize the same fish :)
I do feel it makes a difference for Trout and other fish that may stress easily esp during the warmer summer months.
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I have to agree with the majority here. Though I personally haven't used much barbless hooks, due to the fact most store bought lures have barbed hooks, it is common sense. I have had countless fish bleed from barbed hooks that a doubt would have with barbless. Barbed hooks were made to catch on to the skin keeping the hook from coming out. You have to have a hole in the fishes mouth large enough to get the barb out which is about twice the size of a non barbed hook. I take all my fish out of the water, carefully remove the hook, measure the fish, and release the fish with as little handling as possible. Though this does create a higher risk of harming the fish I always make sure that fish is alive and well before leaving the fish. A barbed hook will do more damage, but rarely will the damage result in a dead fish if the fisherman is responsible.
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I have to agree with the majority here. Though I personally haven't used much barbless hooks, due to the fact most store bought lures have barbed hooks, it is common sense. I have had countless fish bleed from barbed hooks that a doubt would have with barbless. Barbed hooks were made to catch on to the skin keeping the hook from coming out. You have to have a hole in the fishes mouth large enough to get the barb out which is about twice the size of a non barbed hook. I take all my fish out of the water, carefully remove the hook, measure the fish, and release the fish with as little handling as possible. Though this does create a higher risk of harming the fish I always make sure that fish is alive and well before leaving the fish. A barbed hook will do more damage, but rarely will the damage result in a dead fish if the fisherman is responsible.
The barbs can be mashed down with a pair of pliers on hooks that have them, anytime I use mepps or martins and the like I do this because its really hard for the fish to shake those trebles off unless of course you only get one hook in them the other plus is the treble comes out with no problem what so ever.
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Here is a study showing that bait fished actively has a low mortality and that barbless hooks do not have a significant difference in mortality than barbed hooks.
http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/es/science/inventory/TroutHooking.pdf
If thats not enough for you, do a google on barbless hooks and you will find countless studies by real scientists showing the same.
Is this the same mackdaddy21, related to the same TFB that has the exceptional monster fish out there in Colorado but the worst department of wildlife going?? I know you two have played with this thread before on here..aren't you sick of it?? Give it a rest.......Esox
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Wow, kind fo dumb of me not to think of that. Well, I will give that a try.
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Here is a study showing that bait fished actively has a low mortality and that barbless hooks do not have a significant difference in mortality than barbed hooks.
http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/es/science/inventory/TroutHooking.pdf
If thats not enough for you, do a google on barbless hooks and you will find countless studies by real scientists showing the same.
Is this the same mackdaddy21, related to the same TFB that has the exceptional monster fish out there in Colorado but the worst department of wildlife going?? I know you two have played with this thread before on here..aren't you sick of it?? Give it a rest.......Esox
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I don't think thaey are on the site anymore you can't click on their names and it also appears in a different color. It is true though they went back and forth numerous times it was kinda of ammusing,, at times.