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The Fisherman's Wharf => Off-Topic => Topic started by: adkRoy on May 17, 2006, 03:59 PM
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Alright, we are studying American history with my class of 7th graders. We just got done teaching them about the first 3 Presidents and what the different capitals of the USA was before Washington, DC. On a quiz today, one of the questions asked, "What has been the capital of the United States of America since 1803 to present?" This is what I got:
3 students responded Paris, France :cookoo:
2 responded Philidelphia, NY :blink:
2 put question marks :P
1 put 1797 ???
The other 6 actually put Washington, DC. :flag:
ARRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!! And the students wonder why my hair is turning gray. They just don't care about anything except their girlfriends/boyfriends and their computer games. I won't even get into their horrible use of grammar or their spelling. :pinch: :o
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YUP......worlds goin to hell in a handbasket ADK......each generation gets a little closer to the end of life as we know it!! Every year the media get a little more license to corrupt youth, every year parents take a little less responsibility , etc etc....Im not an extremely religious guy, but judgement day is comin sooooooon! :P :P :o
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Whats the problem here your teaching them this and they dont care about it, so they are not learning it. What are they doing texting their bf'/gfs while you are teaching??
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Whats the problem here your teaching them this and they don't care about it, so they are not learning it. What are they doing texting their bf'/gfs while you are teaching??
So I add my 16 yr old daughter to the Family talk plan and get her a nice phone...the first two months go well. Then I get a bill which is $70+ above normal. $70+ dollars worth of TEXT MESSEGES!!! A quick perusal of the bill reveals all of the texting was done during school hours. I ask her, "How is it possible for you to have that much free time during school?" "Oh, I don't," she replies... "We text each other during class!"
That was the last day she was allowed to take her phone to school for quite awhile. If she does it again, she gets the no-frills phone without texting and other niceties.
I do not envy teachers and the things they have to deal with....it would blow my mind if I saw the results of that quiz after I taught a lesson....I say send a copy of each kids test home to their parents and ask them to write an essay on how their kid could have answered what they did. Put the pressure on the homefront.
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AdkRoy,
I feel your pain....Wife tells me stuff like this all the time!
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Oh I have talked to the parents before...the best 3 replies I have gotten are:
"In school he's your problem, out of school he's mine"
"I can't do the 7th grade math, I'm just a nurse"
"You don't know what your teaching"
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Oh I have talked to the parents before...the best 3 replies I have gotten are:
"In school he's your problem, out of school he's mine"
"I can't do the 7th grade math, I'm just a nurse"
"You don't know what your teaching"
THats all school is to these parents anymore "Daycare"
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I love when I ask a question like "What force is it that makes the crustal plates move, causing earthquakes?" and get "yes" as an answer.
It wasn't a yes/no question!!!!! :cursing: :cursing:
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Most of the kids have hit the 4th quarter slide. That's when the weather gets nice and they want to be outside frolicing with the squirrels and bunnies.
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Bottom line is it all starts at home !
Parents need to slow down their every day life and find out what really makes their children tick !
They can start by having dinner at the table with ... no phone calls answerd by anyone , no t.v. , and nothing but conversation between them .
HOW WAS YOUR DAY , WHAT DID YOU GO OVER OR LEARN ABOUT .
Dont accept an answer like noy much or nothing interesting .
Then there is a whole new subject crack open a good book.... THE GOOD BOOK ! :angel:
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Wow, this is too close to home. My 13 year old is lazy and unmotivated. We have tried rewarding achievement. We have tried punishing under achievement.
We drive him nuts with math homework. He does the homework and then we check it and go over it with him and make him fix the mistakes, etc. The goal is to get him to learn something from the homework. But he always says "The teacher just checks to see if it's done, she doesn't check to see if it's right." We get the same kind of response when it comes to writing.... "They aren't checking spelling." We keep making him fix stuff though.
I'm lucky - I can do his 8th grade math - I'm an engineer who still works with that stuff. (What the hell was I thinking when I chose a career???)
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i can still remember my dad telling me many years ago how he had to work overtime just to give me a lousy quarter for popcorn and a soda!!!!!!! ive worked since ive been 12 mowing lawns ,shoveling snow and a paper route. dear old dad died when i was in high school so i got a p/t job in a nursing home to support the family. my friends played sports after school , i worked :-\. kids now days think their parents owe them everything. use tough love on them and hopefully they turn out to be productive young adults. God blessed me with 3 above average kids but it wasnt easy ever. keep on them through school and take an interest in their schooling. good luck people. i just retired or work retired me but i put my 30 plus years in the salt mines and worked for everything i got.
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Scansy ... You are on the rite track , keep it up and soon your chil;dren will understand why you do what you do . Soon he will get a teacher that will grade on the points you spoke of .
Part of the problem with teaching / parenting is too many people critisize and not critique . Myself included . Sometimes people need to take a step back and think a little before they speak and that goes for every day life as well .
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My fiancee's oldest boy needed a couple good lessons taught. Tried grounding him and he just spent the time in his room..no protest over the punishment, etc....and hence, no lesson learned, Next time I grounded him, I made him take his X-Box, TV set, DVD player and all electronics from his room, and then the protests began. Kids have got too much of this crap these days.
Summer vacations have turned into just that, a great big summer long extension of the break they're on all year anyway. Summer vacations used to mean work for me when I was growing up, and maybe there was a week or so of real screwing off in there somewhere, now ask (most) kids to work 15 minutes a day and you might as well convict yourself of parental abuse....
ADKRoy...the situation with kids in school is terrible....you see it every day...here we've got somebody that spells "feonsay" meaning fiancee, yet instead of studying in school, they're on the computer....W.T.H. are we doing to the youth today??? Esox
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Everyone blames the teachers...nobody looks at the home life. That is where a child's education begins long before he ever reaches kindergarten.
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I dont even want to begin with the medias responsibility in this. Every teen female singer that started out prim and proper goes tramp when they turn 16-18. Sweet life with Zach and cody has twin 12 year olds talking about romantic relationships, Drake and Josh on Nickelodeon have make out scenes. Cant walk through blockbuster more than 10 feet without asking my little nephew to close his eyes cuz every 10th movie on teh rack is a smut movie with some tramp on the cover half naked (they really need to put that stuff behind the counter or at least in a certain section. ) Yeah i may sound like an old fart.....(only 35) but when it comes to what kids are able to see and hear and experience at the age they can these days.......its out of control.
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I should probably share my story.....a little long but insightful for parents (I think)
I was fortunate in that I was always above average intelligence. My problem was that I never tried. Things came easy for me and I was content to just slide by. Most times that still put me towards the front of the class. Once I got into high school things went downhill even more. I don't think I ever did much homework, not because I couldn't I just didn't want to. My father tried everything on me and nothing worked. I simply didn't care. He tried punishing me and taking things away...I just did even less knowing that at some point he would give up. I managed to somehow graduate high school and walked across the stage in the bottom 1/3 of my class...no awards for me, no gold ropes or special tassles, just a kid that made it out of high school. My problem was that I knew that I could fail all year, BUT if I passed the regents exam I would pass the course....so I would fail all year, do nothing and then just make sure that I did well on the regents exam. Anyways I was supposed to attend college after high school. I took the SATs and did very well on them. My grades were terrible, but I still mananged to get acceoted to a couple of colleges. Laziness prevailed again however because I never filled out the paperwork to attend college. Instead on the day that dad was supposed to drop me off at college he kicked me out of the house. He told me that if I wanted to go to school and get an education he would make it easy on me, otherwise it was up to me to survive. So I got a minimum wage job and rented a crappy apartment from my aunt. Turns out that after 4 months I could barely make ends meet and had to geta second minimum wage job in order to keep from falling behind in my bills. At this point college started to look like a good option. I didn't know what I wanted to do ,but since math and science were easy for me I thought something along those lines would be good. I started taking classes at a local community college and actually liked it. Dad told me that after 1 semester if my grades were good I could move home. Trying to work 50 hours per week and go to school full time was so freakin' hard. I managed to get all A's that semester and moved back home. I finished up at the community college with nearly a 4.0 and then transferred. About the time I was going to graduate with my bachelors degree in math and physics my dad was diagnosed with cancer and he died only 3 months later. I promised him that I would continue my education no mater what. I am actually thankful that he kicked me out. He later told me it was the hardest thing he has ever had to do other than to tell his kids he was dying, but I appreciated it in a kind of strange way. I started graduate school in the fall and ultimately graduated with a Ph.D. in semiconductor physics after 6 years in grad school, 2 for my masters and then another 4 for my Ph.D. Because of my grades and willingness to teach classes at the university I ended up paying only 25k for my entire education. If you add it all up I probably have a quarter of a million dollar education courtesy of uncle sam. I'm in the process of changing jobs and in some sense will be paying back my debts to the people of this country and uncle sam due to the nature of the job. I guess what I'm trying to say is that not everyone is ready to always be a good student. Sometimes it takes a situation or condition to make that person want to be a good student. Looking back now I appreciate the teachers who really tried to make a difference and I appreciate all those who maybe let me slide a bit, knowing that I had potential, but just wasn't using it.
I think my word of advice would be...go hard on your kids, but not too hard. Set a good example and be a role model. No one likes a hippocrit. Show your kids how to better themselves by setting an example not just by preaching. My dad was a great role model and got what he had using eduacation AND hard work. There is no substitute for that, and he taught me that. I learned what hard work was once he kicked me out of the house. I continued to work that hard all through school and by the time I was done I had a good work ethic AND an education. Teach your kids both and give them the opportunity to harbor some of the responsibility that comes along with being a student and I think they'll go far
-Bob
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Doc,
I wish I could have you come talk to my students. That is a great story.
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Everyone blames the teachers...nobody looks at the home life. That is where a child's education begins long before he ever reaches kindergarten.
Philadelphia, NY :blink: :blink: :wacko: :wacko: :rotflol: :rotflol:
I thought it was Pittsburg Tennessee ??? :whistling:
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As a freshman in highschool i know first hand whats going on. its all on the teachers. Yes the kids are getting lazier but the teachers are too. i go to the 3rd highest ranked school district in PA and i can say that all the younger teachers are worse then the kids. the older ones are the ones who can teach really well and keep us concentrated on the actual subject while having fun. but the new ones are just plain lazy. All in all make sure you send your kids to a district thats known for having good teachers and good schooling
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Jay,
I wouldn't ever blame poor grades or lack of understanding on a teacher. I'm not singleing you out or anything like that, so don't take it that way at all. In most cases it's up to the students to figure things out. Teachers aren't there to "force feed" the students. Whether they are young or old makes no difference. While young teachers may not have as much experience they usualy have more energy and creativity than older teachers. In my opinion you need both types of teachers to make a well rounded student. At some point if you don't step up to the plate and take the responsibility to learn as a student you will never make it. In the real world no one forces you to learn anything. It's up to the experiences and the habits you developed while going to school. Kids that put the effort in and are capable of learning from a poor teacher are the ones with talent. Anyone can learn from a good teacher......The more experiences you acquire while going to school, the more competitive you will be on the open market after school.
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I have three children, a boy 12, a boy 7, and a girl 5. My oldest always had a hard time with school despite the continued pressure from us and his teachers to get his work done and study. Come to find out several years later that the majority of his problem's were due to older children bullying him. This year he's in sixth grade and in the oldest class in his school, since the older children have moved on to middle school his grades and attitude towards school have gone through the roof. He was always a C-B student and we made him do his work, but this year he's gone to a straight A student who has his work done correctly before we even get home from work. My second started school early and has always been lazy and tries to slide by on his wit. Well last night we got a call from his teacher and she is concerned that he might not be ready to move on to third grade. Now mind you he has been a strong B student all year and not four weeks ago he brought home a report card that showed he improved in every subject and had straight B's. I was content with his progress, but lectured him on the importance of trying harder and not having a lazy attitude towards school. I have to say that I was floored by the phone call, and have to leave work in an hour to discuss this with his teacher. In my house you are guilty until proven innocent and I'm probably one of the toughest parents you'll find, but there is no excuse for his teacher letting this slide all year and then drooping the ball with only a couple weeks left in school. I'm definitely NOT saying that teachers are to blame, but I believe that there is definitely not enough communication from teachers to parents.
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OTIS,
I totally understand what you are saying...I was more or less talking about jr. high and high school. When students are young they need a strong teacher to help them as a learner. No offense meant at all
-Bob
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lol, this reminds me of my brother, a few years back, he was in his early 20's, but a real idiot, so i was messing with him and said jokingly that he didnt know the capital of the US, he said its Washington DC, i then asked him what DC stood for? without a blink of the eye he said Designated Capital :blink:
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Otis,
If there is one thing I've learned as a teacher, it is communication between parents and teachers is a must. It has to be constant, ie at least once a month, not just at parent conference time. Do not hesitate to ever call your childs teacher to see how he/she is doing. I have binders of parent emails, pages of phone conversations, and a folder full of notes. I try to contact as many parents as I can, its hard because of work schedules, and a lot of parents will contact me. No hesitation. To every I say, open up that line of communication early in the School year and keep it open, use it often and be honest. My happiest parents are the ones who work with me and not against me.
Roy
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Lessons from Bill Gates
Bill Gates recently dished out at a high school speech. The 11 things they
did not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good; politically correct
teachings created a full generation of kids with no concept of reality and how
this concept set them up for failure in the real world.
RULE 1: Life is not fair - get used to it.
RULE 2: The world won't care about your self-esteem. The
world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you
feel good about yourself.
RULE 3: You will NOT make 40 thousand dollars a year right
out of high school. You won't be a vice president with a car
phone, until you earn both.
RULE 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a
boss. His job is not guaranteed.
RULE 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your
grandparents had a different word for burger flipping - they
called it opportunity.
RULE 6: If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't
whine about your mistakes, learn from them.
RULE 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as
boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your
bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about
how cool you are. So before you save the rain forest from
the parasites of your parents' generation, try delousing the
closet in your own room.
RULE 8: Your school may have done away with winners and
losers, but life has not. In some schools they have
abolished failing grades and they'll give you as many times
as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the
slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.
RULE 9: Life is not divided into terms. You don't get
summers off and very few employers are interested in
helping you find yourself. Do that on your own time.
RULE 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people
actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.
RULE 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up
working for one
This is real, Gates really did say these things.
Dr. Geek, If you had this in your hands before you "grew up", would it have made any differance? It would not have me, unfortunately. I ask you this because your story is mine up until your dad did you right, I didn't grow up until I was 23 yrs old. I never did want to go back to school and as a result, I never achieved a high school diploma. I have been lucky in life in that, that fact has not held me back too much. I wouldn't call it regrets, But if I had to do over, I would have "grown up" much sooner.
Since then, I've managed to put my much younger wife through college (my retirement plan) and I have a 12 year old daughter who pulls all A's & B's, has numerous science fair awards, is a gifted musician (I don't know where she got that from) AND she is a tremendous athlete (basketball trophies are squeezing out my mounted "trophies"!) At age 38, I am the last of the ESSOX SLAYER type generation, and really only caught on by myself.
ADK- I have a new respect for you, don't give up on 'em, If you can just reach one of them it will all be worthwhile!
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this is a great thread. My oldest son will be starting school next year and we work with him a lot. He already knows how to spell several words and can count to 20. He's 4 BTW. I'm a bit nervous about sending him to school because of all the liberal ideas some of these schools preach. They are teaching kids about AIDS in kindergarten for God's sake. All the wife and I can do is offer our guidance. I know at some point my boys will be exposed to all the evils of the world. My mother is a teacher and I have a few friends that are teachers. Some of the crap they tell me blows my mind. Some parents need some serious help.
Also I think it works both ways. Some schools will hang their students out to dry and don't care if they get an education. I could tell stories of my bro and I growing up but that would be a very large post. It took both of us to get into trouble before we straightened up. I hope to God my boys are not going to be like me. don't get me wrong my dad was very old fashioned and kicked our a$$ when we deserved it. But we still went astray. Had it not been for that lesson in life I would have never gotten my masters degree and gotten a life.
Keep the kids exposed to the outdoors and as many family activities as you can. All the kids who are fishing and hunting my hat goes off to you. Keep it up and remember this when you have kids. Seeing a kid riding his bike with a stringer of fish is a very rare sight these days.
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Slimechaser that is why I have ulcers. I work my butt off to try to get them to succeed despite the handicap of their learning disabilities and home lives. I may not get many thanks from the students but I have seen the results. I have one former student who stayed in school and didn't quit because of me. I have had former students go on to become cooks, auto mechanics, heavy equipment operators, and yes teachers. I fought to get them placements in classes to suit their needs and what they wanted to do in life. I do get frustrated as all heck when I see a student, who has so much potential and opportunity, just throw it all away because it would require a little effort on their part to do the work and study.
Walleyechaser, I'm lucky that my school is a good mixture of liberal and conservative teachers. The stuff we have to teach though comes from the NYS Education Department, the Board of Regents, and the Federal Government.
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(https://www.sharemation.com/buzzbomb2/microsoft.bmp)
These guys didn't look quite so promising way back then, but they had faith in themselves. That little nerdy guy in the lower left especially!
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(https://www.sharemation.com/buzzbomb2/microsoft.bmp)
These guys didn't look quite so promising way back then, but they had faith in themselves. That little nerdy guy in the lower left especially!
They look like a bunch of high ons 8)
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(https://www.sharemation.com/buzzbomb2/microsoft.bmp)
These guys didn't look quite so promising way back then, but they had faith in themselves. That little nerdy guy in the lower left especially!
There's no picture, just a red x.
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7th graders? when i was in 5th grade i had to know all 50 states and how to spell them!
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7th graders? when i was in 5th grade i had to know all 50 states and how to spell them!
Did ya walk to school uphill both ways? ;)
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I did lol through 4 feet of snow too :)
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Did ya walk to school uphill both ways? ;)
A s chance would have it ... YES I DID . I went to a one room country school until grade 9 then I had to go to town school .
It was 5 miles one way to school half way up and the other half down .
We only walked when we wanted to though .
Country school was the best .
A little bit of info for those of you that are teachers ... I dont know if your district offers a web site for your schools but if not get one going .
The district that I live in has one and each and every teacher can be contacted on it .
There is an e-mail directory on it with each teachers work e-mail address on it and it is available for parent / teacher contact 24 / 7 .
It has made a huge difference in parent / teacher relations and how to handle each students needs be it good or diciplinary .
It also has all sport and school functions listed with times and dates .
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Did ya walk to school uphill both ways? ;)
lol no but they have more expectations in recent times.
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A little bit of info for those of you that are teachers ... I dont know if your district offers a web site for your schools but if not get one going .
The district that I live in has one and each and every teacher can be contacted on it .
There is an e-mail directory on it with each teachers work e-mail address on it and it is available for parent / teacher contact 24 / 7 .
It has made a huge difference in parent / teacher relations and how to handle each students needs be it good or diciplinary .
It also has all sport and school functions listed with times and dates .
My school district offers that. You can click on the biographies and find the e-mail links. The problem is we are a poor rural district and over half the families have phones that are "disconnected" but they still have 4-wheelers that I see them zipping around illegally on state land while I'm out hunting.
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Did ya walk to school uphill both ways? ;)
Maybe later I'll tell ya abut how I had to fend off a bear with my spiral notebook...
I have taken no offence to any comments made here, and I try to defend people who give their time to help out others be they teachers, coaches, scout leaders, etc... It's a tough job weather you're getting paid to do it or not, and I comment those that are doing it for reasons other than collecting a paycheck.
Well we had our teachers conference and eventhough my son has shown improvement throughout the year ans was given straight B's not four weeks ago, the teacher thinks we should hold him back. I was tough, but not mean. I questioned her about the above mentioned facts and she said that "He really didn't earn B's", I just about lost my mind. I pointed out that there has been no communication from her in his agenda that I have to sign every night and that we spoke once in January and she didn't seem nearly as concerned then about his problems. All she could do is stutter and change the subject. Needless to say he isn't going away for the summer like he was supposed to, but we were adamant about him NOT being held back. My wife questioned her about his ranking and assessment, and she admitted that she does not do any state assessment of her students, but that she determines their grades. How can this woman assess her students without having a basis for her assessment?
AdkRoy, isn't a requirement for all students to be assessed based on state requirements?
I found her statements hard to believe and most of them without merit. I'll be the first to admit that my son is a little on the lazy side and does not yet feel the need to take the initiative to get things done on his own. But she even went as far as to say that he should be labeled. She even brought up that because his older brother is learning disabled, that he is most likely learning disabled as well. Without knowing any of the fact's behind my oldest sons problem, she incorrectly made a diagnosis of my son in her class and took it upon her self to applied it to him.
I'm so mad this post probably doesn't even read correctly. I had all I could do not to blow up on her in that room, and for anyone who knows me that's saying a lot.
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For her to sit there and tell you that he got B's but didn't earn B's pisses me off and I don't even have a child. Something should definitely be done about that teacher...if she can be called that. >:(
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There's not much you can do. She's in her upper 50's and has been teaching there since the dawn of time. She's tenured and she's obviously there only to collect a pay check. My wife is a teacher, and through her I have seen this on several occasions. The bottom line is that he doesn't like doing his homework, when we drilled her as to specific problems that's all that came out. she admitted that when he chooses to do the work, he does it on his own he is more that capable or at par with the rest of the students in his class. I really got nothing more out of this meeting other that I need to ride him to make sure he's doing his homework. We've always been there for the kids if they need help, so we know that isn't a problem. My wife is bring home her state assessment, "Fox in a box" program to try and determine for ourselves where he stands.
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OTIS,
Sorry you have to deal with such a terrible teacher. Not all older teachers are that bad. Yes all students in NY grades 3-8 are now assessed in Math. Did this teacher have your older son? Unfortunately, some people hold grudges and take it out on other family members. State assessments for grades 3-8 do not determine if a student goes to the next grade. They are used to see if a school is performing at a level the state says it should. I would love it if the state had all the assessments at the end of the year like they do for the regents in high school but they don't and it is a big pain in the butt. How do you assess 5th grade Social Studies in October? :cookoo: Un fortunately I'm not in charge of State Ed. department. You could always talk to the school and see if they were will to assess him using an individual achievement test administered by the school psychologist to see if he needs services or not. Good luck and keep me informed on how it goes.
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I agree, and don't want anyone to think that I'm implying that teachers are bad. This is an individual with whom we are forced to deal with that thinks she doesn't have to follow the guidelines set up by the state. She has done NO assessments of her students. Luckily my wife is qualified and has the necessary materials to do so, most parents do not have this option. We have agreed th have him tested by the school, but its late in the year and any results from the testing will not benefit him either way this year.
I commend you for caring for your students and trying to make a difference. If there were more teachers like you and my wife, there would be a lot fewer horror stories like the one that started this thread.
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If the testing doesn't help him this year, if he is found to need services, it definitely will help him come the start of next school year.
Another story for all of you,
My students this week have been not exactly motivated to learn (it is getting nicer outside). They kept telling me that they didn't need to learn math or spelling. Well that did it. Yesterday I grabbed a Fast Food Resturant's job application and photocopied it. I then gave it to my students and told them that if they could fill the application out accurately, I would get off their case about learning math and spelling. Well here are some of the results. Out of 16 kids:
11 did not know what an area code was
7 did not know their home phone number
4 did not know their address
2 did not even know what street they lived on.
9 could not spell the name of their school correctly
Most did not know what hours availabe was.
Half of them asked me "how do I know if I am able to be legally employed in the U.S.?"
1 student asked what do they put down for birthdate.
3 did not know how to spell their middle names.
You should have seen their faces when I tried explaining what an area code was. Many said that I was wrong. They thought that the exchange for their town. Some thought the area code was the zipcode. I as was explaining area codes, I kept getting the comment "that's stupid". I always thought that parents taught their kids this stuff. I know I could recite my address in phone number by the time I went to kindergarten. I can't wait until summer. I'll be teaching inmates, helping them get their G.E.D.'s. It shall be an interesting comparison.
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IT might supprise you how smart some of them inmates really are !
Some of them just went down the wrong road and didnt use their brain .
Some of them are actually pretty smart .
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And getting their GED will mean more to them than the benefits of graduating mean to the students right now. I had a great friend and hunting partner (now passed on) who got his GED when he was about 48 years old. He'd fallen 38' onto concrete, ending a career as a swingin' dick ironworker and was getting some re-training from the government. He was as proud of that certificate as he was of anything else he'd done.
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Buzzbomb,
I love your signature and the show that it came from. ;D
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A s chance would have it ... YES I DID . I went to a one room country school until grade 9 then I had to go to town school .
It was 5 miles one way to school half way up and the other half down .
We only walked when we wanted to though
Definatly a Nebraska hillbilly for ya