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My Fish Finder Main => General Fishing Discussion => Topic started by: Dirt23 on Sep 10, 2023, 05:24 AM
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So got my great grand father's old copper setup for yanking bottom and a box full of big suttons and pfluger spoons. The rod is probably four and a half feet with roller guide on end and a huge pfluger salt water fly reel with about 400feet of copper on it. Grandma said you'd let line out till hit bottom then hand line once on bottom dragging back and forth, she never really fished with them so don't know much more than that. Anyone fish like this or possibly have some tips on how it's done? Judging by box full of news papers that had fish traced with charcoal it was pretty effective technique
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I don’t know about letting it touch bottom… as far as I understood, you use copper just like lead-core line. the more you let out, the deeper it will get your presentation. Adjust for speed you’re going and type of lure you’re using.
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Yes, they dragged bottom.
It kicked up a lot of silt, etc. which attracted the lakers.
Guys that troll with downriggers for lakers will often drag the cannonball on the bottom for the same effect.
I never wanted to do this for fear of losing a $20-35 weight.
A chugging iron would work well for this as it wouldn't typically hang up.
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There are depth charts for different cooper lines and speed
Lot of people use dipseys and cooper for salmon , browns , lakers and walleyes saves on the shoulder , you put out a few hundred feet of straight cooper and start pulling you’ll see 😉, I occasionally still see guys jerk lead
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The 500 copper was always my least favorite.
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The 500 copper was always my least favorite.
lots of reeling , especially with a big king 🤪
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perfect rod to hand off happily!
Watch some of the midwest walleye river tourneys and you'll see guys pulling lead and it's basically the same thing.
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lots of reeling , especially with a big king 🤪
We'd stick a balloon on that one so we knew where the line was. Id drive the boat and try to stay on a heading and my buddy would yell "thats about all you got" in other words straighten out before the 500 crosses all the lines. Good times.
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Yea…I pull leadcore with a 8wt fly rod and reel :o. Any more than 5 colors out is too much lol.
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Yup, once I got downriggers I never fished more than 3 colors on the leadcore. And then my buddy would laugh at me when he was catching at 8 colors on the lead and I couldn't buy a fish on the riggers.
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Yup, once I got downriggers I never fished more than 3 colors on the leadcore. And then my buddy would laugh at me when he was catching at 8 colors on the lead and I couldn't buy a fish on the riggers.
The lead core imparts a slow up/down rhythm action to the lure Geoff.
Try this, and I'm sure some out there are going to give me crap about it.
Tie 2-3 colors onto a downrigger rod and send that down.
You get to use the rigger, which I also like, but still get some of that lead core action on the lure.
Charter captains have been doing this for a while now.
Remember that things are now running UNDER the ball.
Good luck.
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SWR Mac. Works like a charm.
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SWR Mac. Works like a charm.
I didn't want to call it by its proper name.
I was sworn to secrecy.
;)
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Back in the 70's I fished Senaca Lake often and there was a woman in a 14' boat "pulling" copper almost every day. I swear her one arm was twice the size to the other.....h2l
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The lead core imparts a slow up/down rhythm action to the lure Geoff.
Try this, and I'm sure some out there are going to give me crap about it.
Tie 2-3 colors onto a downrigger rod and send that down.
You get to use the rigger, which I also like, but still get some of that lead core action on the lure.
Charter captains have been doing this for a while now.
Remember that things are now running UNDER the ball.
Good luck.
I have a rod and reel that has 3 colors of lead on it just for this purpose but I don't seem to use it much. I seem to be a one trick pony.
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I have a rod and reel that has 3 colors of lead on it just for this purpose but I don't seem to use it much. I seem to be a one trick pony.
We all get to that point, I think.
I used to send down all MY favorite baits, in MY favorite spread.
Most of the time it turned fish, but, when it didn't, I was stubborn as hell to change things up.
My thought was that you can't catch fish when the baits are in the boat.
So, I was always reluctant to change things up.
My son Jeff was the equalizer then.
He would start pulling rods and changing things.
Young and energetic, instead of old and stubborn (lazy) like me.
Try that 3 color on your riggers sometime Geoff.
It really works!!!
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2x Geoff! Also thats a nice 3 color setup for a planner board too. I miss trolling!
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2x Geoff! Also thats a nice 3 color setup for a planner board too. I miss trolling!
The planer is what I really have that rig for, use it quite often. Nice to not have that extra weight on the planer line.
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You guys are way off the point. The OP asked about pulling copper, not lead core or other substitutes. I pulled copper with a Victrola for many years on the finger lakes. It’s very effective if used properly.
Many was the day when I fished Keuka and Canandaigua pulling copper.
I say search it and get the right info. Then give it a go.
Old school isn’t dead school.
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Not really Bob.
Copper was discussed early to mid thread. But the thread evolved, much like the early use of copper, to leadcore and riggers.
Copper wire is still used a little today.
However, it’s been replaced by stainless wire and other methods to get your baits deep.
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I have an old Pflueger reel spooled with copper in my collection…
(https://i.postimg.cc/CzFKQBQz/IMG-4118.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CzFKQBQz)
(https://i.postimg.cc/q6ppSSQ9/IMG-4115.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q6ppSSQ9)
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If we stayed on point this forum would be just a memory.....
Psssst Scott Id still make an offer whenever you are ready!
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Copper is still used quite a bit by salmon guys, and some walleye trollers have begun to use it because you can get as deep as leadcore with I believe 75% as much line out. However the setup that the OP is talking about is not really like new copper trolling setups. This is closer to a Seth Green rig or using a Victrola box like Bob mentioned. Super popular on the finger lakes for Lakers, you hand line out copper with multiple Sutton spoons or other flutter spoons until you bump bottom and bring it up a foot or 2. Many people hand lined the fish in then but I'm sure that was the reason for the short stout rod, to quickly bring them into the boat and reset the rig.
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Yup! It was a step up from the Victrola….sort of! But not quite as satisfying as nailing a laker hand lining. The feel was way different. Dragging a jug and kicking back wasn’t fishing to me. Never enjoyed trolling. Seemed a waste to me. I’d rather actively participate in catching a fish. Probably why I fly and bobber fish as much as I do.
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I have an old Victrola copper setup in the basement. An Old-timer buddy gave it to me after taking him out on Cayuga for what would turn out to be his last fishing trip.
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Fitting memorial. Sorry for your loss, happy you keep his memory alive. It’s about all we can ask for in life.