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MFF US Northeast => New Jersey => Topic started by: fishkopp on Mar 16, 2004, 06:50 PM
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What do you guys think about the cost of our fishing license and other related concerns ? ???
One of my biggest concerns is that the person who only goes out once or twice a year and takes his kids fishing isn't going to go anymore.
And that means there's some kids that won't get introduced to one of our favorite pastimes . Maybe we should have a cheap 1 day license for these people . Our fishing future might depend on it .
Good fishing
Mike K
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well if someone wants to take the kids out i believe there is a fish for free day sometime in july or june. but you are right i am at college right now and i just went out and bought a cheap rod and reel so i can fish the pond at school, since all my rods and reels at home are too expensive. all my friends up here make fun of me for fishing they dont seem to understand. they think its boring but im breaking through to some of them. i even found one that will come fishing with me in the pond ;D so if u invite someone to come and put them onto fish they will always come back for more. but the one day liscence or even a week liscence would be a great idea.
p.s this weekend im bringing my girlfriend fishing so hopefully we can catch some fish and shell wanna come with me
p.s.s what lake is that in your picture it looks alot bigger than a jersey lake ;)
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Mark
Thats a great white north fish ottowa river , 55.5 inches and proud to say released .
Let'em go and let'em grow
Mike
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I agree, and I'd like to know what the money goes for? With a trout stamp it costs $33.50, seems kind of ridiculous to me. Also, I am pretty sure that the take a kid fishing day is in mid to late june or early july, and you can always take them to local contest... I know that there is the keep kids of drugs fishign contest at franklin pond over the summer, which is for trout, and fish/game holds a fishign contest in the pond at SCCC every yr as well. Havn't gone to that one since I was young, but I believe they still do it.
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I agree that they should come up with a one day permit for the Moms or Dads out there that don't fish all the time but were once into fishing when they were kids and now they want to expose there own children to the same.
I think it's important to get the kids involved.
I take my two boys out as much as I can and I feel that if someone that doesn't want to spend the money on a one year license wants to take his or her kids out they should have an option.
Maybe this is something that could be brought to Marty Mchughs attention(head of NJ Fish and Wildlife).
I believe after sitting thru the fish and wildlife meetings and hearing that the amount of licenses bought in New Jersey are on the decline that this could be a problem in the future.
The revenue from licenses is what funds our fish and wildlife programs.
Take a kid fishing, Jeff
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I personally think that the price of the fishing license is very reasonable, $22 a year for a license to kill?? Why not, most folks pay more to fill up their SUVs and trucks every few days. And you know that the money is going to a good use; toward stocking programs and maintance of parks and facilities. You might spend $150 bucks on a rod/reel combo and own a boat, waders, a canoe, etc. so it does not make sense to gripe about the cost of a license. You can take a kid fishing for free until they are 16 years old in NJ and after that they can get a summer job to pay for their own license, they're not exactly kids anymore. I did construction work at that age on the w/e's and had my own cash by then. Also,,, you can get a 2 day fishing license for $10 right now. I have a NJ, and NY license and will be getting a Pa license soon. It's a cost of admission and u have to pay to play, J.
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J,
I think your right the price is very reasonable, but the state has been showing a decline in the amount of licenses being purchased now for a couple of years and if it maintains a decline they will have a problem in the future.
I know that the state is working on some programs to get more kids involved and thats a plus.
Hopfully one of them works, Jeff
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I think that license sales are declining also because in most cases both parents are too busy with earning a living in NJ because cost of living is so high, and nobody has time to 'take the kid fishing', it's easier to take 'em to soccer practice for an hour instead. Most people I know play catch up with house work on the w/e :-\.
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J,
Your probably right and not to mention how does fishing compete with playstation2 and Xbox, I know that's a problem at my house, You have to just about throw them out of the house on a nice day.
Let em go and let em grow, Jeff <*))))))><
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Don't forget about the video games and computers , there's lots of kids that would rather stay home and do that then go out and fish .
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You guys are right on with this. Theres to much competion from other interests, video games, computers ,this damm internet...if fishing or hunting doesn't hook you when your young, you can forget about them being hooked later on....About the price of the liscence its ok. I really think we get alot for our money from the state. walleye, muskie,hybrid stripers,channel cats all being put into ponds and lakes they were never in before..fall and winter trout stocking.The only thing i can complain about is the sea run brown trout program. For the ammount of fish there dumping into the manasquan river, compared to the return of fish being landed. Its a ridiculous waste of resourses that could be put to a better use.....I bet its a 300 to 1 ratio of fish being put in, to being landed. Theres got to be a better way......
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Everybody has valid points, but the main point is that for the most part why should we have to pay for something that is no ones property??? Last time I checked the states do not own every fish in the state, so why should we have to pay the state to catch them. Also, don't forget that the license may be $22, but a trout stamp is another $10.50 for those that trout fish. And no offense Jig cause you bring up a good point that kids should get jobs to pay for their own stuff, but not every kid has a job so not all kids have the money to pay for their own licenses.
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Hey AJ, nothing is free in life, married guys out there can vouch for that one ;D. But seriously. you get what u pay for, and the NJ fishing license pays for restocking the lakes and the streams. That's the reason we can still enjoy a decent fishery in one of the most congested states in the union. Otherwise those places would get fished out in a few years and you would be catching 5" sunnies and nothing else. I read an article in the flyfisherman about UK, and how you pay to belong to private clubs or have to shell out $150 a day to fish a private stretch of the stream/ pond, because public access limited. And everything public is fished out anyways. It's like that all over Europe, that's why we have it so good over here. You don't have to pass a stupid exam to get a fishing license, or a boating licencse,you don't need to belong to a club to fish a decent lake and you don't have to worry that after they stock you favorite lake, someone will get there at nite with nets and clean the place out. Go to Europe on a vacation with a fishing rod and you'll gain an insight on how really good we have it here. $33 to fish? That's chump change! J.
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maybe if aj got a job he wouldnt complain about money......
p.s u owe me money for bait from last weekend :P
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Hmmmmm, lets see............
ice shanty........$300.00
auger...............$300.00+
Vexilar..............$500.00
gas for the truck..............Ouch!!!
poles, bait, jigs,etc..............no wonder I'm Divorced!!
$34.00 for non-resident fishing license...............Peanuts
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Everybody has valid points, but the main point is that for the most part why should we have to pay for something that is no ones property??? Last time I checked the states do not own every fish in the state, so why should we have to pay the state to catch them. Also, don't forget that the license may be $22, but a trout stamp is another $10.50 for those that trout fish. And no offense Jig cause you bring up a good point that kids should get jobs to pay for their own stuff, but not every kid has a job so not all kids have the money to pay for their own licenses.
You for real think that we should not have to pay for a fishing license? :o
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maybe if aj got a job he wouldnt complain about money......
p.s u owe me money for bait from last weekend :P
MAN you beat me to it I was going to say the same thing & AJ you own me $2 from last weekend
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Everybody has valid points, but the main point is that for the most part why should we have to pay for something that is no ones property??? Last time I checked the states do not own every fish in the state, so why should we have to pay the state to catch them. Also, don't forget that the license may be $22, but a trout stamp is another $10.50 for those that trout fish. And no offense Jig cause you bring up a good point that kids should get jobs to pay for their own stuff, but not every kid has a job so not all kids have the money to pay for their own licenses.
SEE Guy's you all have to under stand AJ is one of the Cheapest guy's you'll ever meet . SO Stop your crying & you still need a NY license for April 3 ;D
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A couple of factiods , There's been a 41% decline in fishing license sales over the last ten years in New Jersey. This is the reason for the price increase in fishing licenses . I was talking to the hatchery dude today , and he informed me there is a 10% CUT IN THERE FUNDS FOR 2004 . Pretty scarey when you think about .
This why it's so important to get the younger generation involved in our sport before it's to late . So this year do us all a favor and take a kid or 2 fishing .
And as far as I'm concerned , I'd pay a $100 for a fishing license if I had to, whare else can you get that much enjoyment , for such a cheap price .
I also think we should need a license to fish saltwater , they do in almost every other state in the union . It's time the saltwater fisherman pulled there weight .
Mike K. ;D
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A couple of factiods , There's been a 41% decline in fishing license sales over the last ten years in New Jersey. This is the reason for the price increase in fishing licenses . I was talking to the hatchery dude today , and he informed me there is a 10% CUT IN THERE FUNDS FOR 2004 . Pretty scarey when you think about .
This why it's so important to get the younger generation involved in our sport before it's to late . So this year do us all a favor and take a kid or 2 fishing .
And as far as I'm concerned , I'd pay a $100 for a fishing license if I had to, whare else can you get that much enjoyment , for such a cheap price .
I also think we should need a license to fish saltwater , they do in almost every other state in the union . It's time the saltwater fisherman pulled there weight .
Mike K. ;D
Mike,
Sorry man but I'll have to say a BIG NO for a saltwater license!! Why should we have one we don't stock the bay or ocean!!! I mean this jerk of a governor we have is thinking about it but it will never be put in. I hope not that is ;D .One they don't have enough man power to check the NJ bay's ocean for guy’s with license & you have guy’s coming over from the NY bay's & ocean it will never happen ;D
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Ok, first of all yes I'm serious that we shouldn't have to pay for a license, if they wanna make you get one to keep a check on how many people fish than fine, I don't have a problem with paying for one since I have since I've needed one that is just my opinion. I would never pay $100 bucks for one either, I would just go fishing and say the heck with a license. Now for Shawn I'll pay you, I wanted to do the bet, mark was the one that didn't until he caught that bass or the pickeral whichever came first. And as I said, I do have a job, but yes I am cheap ;D but I have been buying a lota stuff lately, and am going to wallmart to get a BUNCH of new stuff for open water comin up so there!!!
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Ok, first of all yes I'm serious that we shouldn't have to pay for a license, if they wanna make you get one to keep a check on how many people fish than fine, I don't have a problem with paying for one since I have since I've needed one that is just my opinion. I would never pay $100 bucks for one either, I would just go fishing and say the heck with a license. Now for Shawn I'll pay you, I wanted to do the bet, mark was the one that didn't until he caught that bass or the pickeral whichever came first. And as I said, I do have a job, but yes I am cheap ;D but I have been buying a lota stuff lately, and am going to wallmart to get a BUNCH of new stuff for open water comin up so there!!!
WHAT :o we shouldn’t pay for fishing license ? I can't be leave that I even fish with you AJ ???. Mark next time I see him make sure to tell me to give him a good kick in the butt. AJ I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU SOMETIMES :o :o
I know your doing good this year buying fish stuff ;D ;D
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Shawn
I tell you why we need a salt water license , where does the money come from to manage the oceans and bay area?
It come from fresh water fishing licenses and other F&G funding. There are very few states that don't require a fishing license to fish the ocean .
I'm not talking about a seperate salt water license , I'm saying you should need a fishing license in any NJ water ways .
So this ruling wouldn't hurt us ,but make those who buy no fishing license have to buy one . And just maybe the price would go down .
But I know many salt water fisherman who would scream like a little school girl at the thought of such a thing . But you know they wouldn't bat a eye on spending 300 SMACKERS ON A NEW CALCUTTA . I also know many who would support such a program in order to improve NJ salt water fishing .
Good fishing guys
Mike
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ok shawn your right there shouldnt be a seperate liscence for salt water, but that isnt fair to freshwater fishermen. saltwater angles should have to buy the same liscence we do.
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Well for one I never seen anyone from the NJ F&G checking or by the bay or ocean be someone can tell me if they do??????.I only see the cost guard/ State Police checking boat’s. But I do see want you are talking about .But like I said NY would have to do it to because we fish in the same bays like Raritan Bay & the ocean. So that's why it's going to be hard to do ;D
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ok shawn your right there shouldnt be a seperate liscence for salt water, but that isnt fair to freshwater fishermen. saltwater angles should have to buy the same liscence we do.
WHY is it not fair ?? So you should by a liscence for the year when you only go maybe 2 to 3 time a year in the ocean on Mike's boat I don't think so.
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Your right about NY having to hop on board as well , It would have to be like in Greenwood lake nj and ny license are good in the whole lake . I'm sure they have official boundry lines . I know when I fish the St lawrence you have to stay on your side of the river or possess both licenses . :o But I'm sure it's coming sooner or later .
Good fishing to all
Mike
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NO Saltwater License The money would only go into the general fund anyway.
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Ive seen the F&G on the docks by the the party boats. They check for short fish and over the limit . ive also heard they go out on party boat undercover. As far as the lcense goes you would need one for whichever port you left from, NY or NJ. Just like the regs for fish are different. I know NJ and NY had different fluke regs for awhile also striper with NJ's bonus tag....I don't think NY has that. You almost never get checked on the water for fish, by the F&G. They know sooner or later you have to come in to dock.thats why you have to save the racks if you filet at sea.... The license would be a good idea but man... i can hear the screaming now ......Also in other states with a salywater license i think you don't need a license on a party or charter boat its a daily tag that included in the fare.....
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It doesn't surprise me that the sales of licenses are down, but what I don't understand is that it seems there are alot more people out there than there used to be.
Maybe its just more people and not necessarily more people fishing. Or maybe people just don't bother getting licenses.
Also, it seems that more people are taking more fish than they were in the past. It may be time for the state to look into whether or not the daily limits on fish like perch, etc. are too high.
Just my $0.02
Russ
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I think that the fish limits are ok because if you think about it logically, the places where you catch so many fish that you are getting your limits most likely have a lot of fish. Don't forget that by not taking out enough fish they will outgrow their body of water and it will only stunt their growth resulting in no trophy fish.
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aj if theres enough fish to outgrow the ocean..... ill eat my hat
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No, I was talkin about freshwater lakes and ponds and stuff, not saltwater or huge lakes like the great lakes. And how many times you gonna bet on eating your hat, cause one of these days you might lose!!!lol
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Bare with me on this but a fishing license is a license to fish. It shouldn't matter what type or location your fishing you should have to have one. Just because you only fish the ocean, be it on a boat or surf, your still fishing and should have to help pay for that privilege. Even if the money goes to the general fund it still helps overall. If people are only going to fish a couple days a year, they can purchase a one day license each time or whatever will cover them for a certain period. Just my .02 cents on this.
Steve
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I’d have to agree with you 100% USMCI30FE , but you know all those who fish only salt water will cry like some sissy school girl .Excuse, me not all , just the ones who can’t see the importance of fisheries management , the other guys must of have consumed to many fish containing high levels of mercury . They feel it should all be free for them and who cares if we fresh water guys pull there weight.
Mike Kopp
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I personally think the saltwater liscence will never be made into law. For the people who have the equiptment and the money to make the canyon runs for tunas, they due have to pay for a federal tuna permit to be able to do so, so they are contributing to the fishery management.
One of the reasons I think it'll never be made law is once you hit 3 miles offshore you're in federal waters, waters not managed by the state but by the federal government. How many of the people here who fish in saltwater, even if just for fluke or stripers, have never fished more than 3 miles offshore for those species?
Plus to enforce the law they'd have to hire hundreds, if not thousands, of new officers which would then have to go and check every person on every boat out in the bays, oceans, and tidal waters of the state. Most of the money the liscence would bring in would then be going to pay for these new officers. Even if they wait till the boats come back to the docks, how many times have me or friends just gone out for rides and wind up finding bunker or birds and end up catching fish, I can't even count that high. Now if someone just went out on one of those rides and we end up fishing, is it fair to fine that person because he/she doesn't have a liscence?
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Wha about paying to register a boat say 14ft and under, I mean I can understand the fishing license but why make you have to pay to use ur boat, and I know you don't have to pay if it's either 10 or under or if you don't use a motor or something, but what about that???
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Wha about paying to register a boat say 14ft and under, I mean I can understand the fishing license but why make you have to pay to use ur boat, and I know you don't have to pay if it's either 10 or under or if you don't use a motor or something, but what about that???
Revenue its all about the dollar, example, you want a boaters liscense, you would think some sort of test would be required, or at least brief you on your seamenship skills. nah, what for ....just payup as long as you have the cash you have the liscence. Same with a rifle card to hunt with a muzzloader. You take a test which alows you to get a muzzleloader permit but you need to pay every two years i believe for a new card ...... money money money.......
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Wha about paying to register a boat say 14ft and under, I mean I can understand the fishing license but why make you have to pay to use ur boat, and I know you don't have to pay if it's either 10 or under or if you don't use a motor or something, but what about that???
Revenue its all about the dollar, example, you want a boaters liscense, you would think some sort of test would be required, or at least brief you on your seamenship skills. nah, what for ....just payup as long as you have the cash you have the liscence. Same with a rifle card to hunt with a muzzloader. You take a test which alows you to get a muzzleloader permit but you need to pay every two years i believe for a new card ...... money money money.......
When I got my boating safety liscence I had to go through a 12 week course and it covered everything and wasn't real cheap from what I remember. Now you can take the course in a matter of like 2 days for like $20 and get the same safety certificate. I think they drastically changed it once the law went into effect that all jet-skiers must have the certificate. They argue that they have to have it but why should they have to take a full course on everything just for their jetskis? I know most of them on my creek in the summer cut boats off and then get mad if a boat does it back, and to top it off they aren't even supposed to be in the creek because its under a certain width anyways.
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I understand you need a license and to pay for a big boat, but I am talking about a small one of 14ft or under with a small horse power motor but most likely just an electric motor if not just oars. You don't need to go for anything for that, but you do need to register it, whats the point in that if there is one besides money?
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I might be wrong, but i believe that you required to register only if you use a motor on it. I know that i don't need to register my canoe when i use a paddle, but this year i want to hook up an electric motor to it and will need to pay to register. Total rip off. I read that MA or NH was thinking last year of requiring anyone with a canoe to register for like $10 a year even without a motor. Even the out-of-state visitors. It's all about MONEY! J.
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I understand you need a license and to pay for a big boat, but I am talking about a small one of 14ft or under with a small horse power motor but most likely just an electric motor if not just oars. You don't need to go for anything for that, but you do need to register it, whats the point in that if there is one besides money?
AJ ,
You need a boat license if you have any kind of power motor on the boat you are driving .
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I don't have a regulations book but several years back I was checking the regulations for my canoe. If I recall correctly it stated the boat had to be registered if it used any type of motor "or" if it was 16 feet or longer. ???