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Title: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: BiteMe on Aug 07, 2019, 04:22 PM
I lost my certificate from taking the course in the 60's. It better be online for free Andy.

https://www.syracuse.com/outdoors/2019/08/all-ny-operators-of-power-boats-will-need-safety-course-by-2025.html


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Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 07, 2019, 05:04 PM
i'm going to  hold  out on taking it  at my  age  and  the  national  average  life  expectance   it's a  50  50  I make  it  ....no  since in taking it if  I  ain't  going to  need  it in the here after .......
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: greensider on Aug 07, 2019, 05:04 PM
I took an 8week course years ago
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: greensider on Aug 07, 2019, 05:07 PM
A million boaters at 30 each that's the reason for the law not safety
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 07, 2019, 06:08 PM
A million boaters at 30 each that's the reason for the law not safety
X2 if they were so concerned it would be free online  , , if I’m not mistaken 78 % of boating accidents are alcohol related , take that out and what’s left ,
 
 You have to take test to get a drivers license , but that doesn’t stop drunk driving , speeders , etc ,
  And If take their exam will that make everyone adhere to all the rules ,
  I don’t have an issue with a course , , just like all boats under 21’ have to wear life vests part of the year , bet the govs  boat is over 😉 , like nobody ever fell off a boat that’s longer 🤪
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: big_guy_13021 on Aug 07, 2019, 06:20 PM
I've had mine for a while now so I'm good
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 07, 2019, 06:20 PM
https://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/index.php?topic=76218.0 (https://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/index.php?topic=76218.0)
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Frankie Bags on Aug 07, 2019, 06:34 PM
X2 if they were so concerned it would be free online  , , if I’m not mistaken 70+ % boating accidents are alcohol related , take that out and what’s left ,
 Hope that includes boat rentals , Kayaks and wet bikes
You’re 100% correct. I’m not sure if the course would have helped this boater. I'm not against taking the course but it should be free. We already pay enough to enjoy our time on the water.
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http://www.timesobserver.com/news/local-news/2019/08/boat-crash-in-irving-ny/
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: myemmy on Aug 07, 2019, 06:45 PM
Residents for free there is one  for free online boat usa
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 07, 2019, 06:50 PM
Residents for free there is one  for free online boat usa
But will it be recognized by the state of N.Y. in place of the 1 the gov is giving
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SSmokinn SS on Aug 07, 2019, 07:49 PM
I was told by a sheriff patrolling the lake that it will be needed by the end of next year... not true?
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: BiteMe on Aug 07, 2019, 07:59 PM
I was told by a sheriff patrolling the lake that it will be needed by the end of next year... not true?
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Under the 5-year, phase-in plan, all motor boat operators born on or after Jan. 1, 1993 must complete a safety course to operate a motor boat beginning in 2020.

Those born after Jan. 1, 1988 must complete a safety course beginning in 2022. Those born on or after Jan. 1, 1983 must complete a safety course beginning in 2023. Those born on or after Jan. 1, 1978 must complete a safety course beginning in 2024.

The requirement would extend to all motor boat operators beginning in 2025, regardless of age.

Failure to comply could result in a fine of between $100 and $250.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: icejohn on Aug 07, 2019, 08:45 PM
i'm going to  hold  out on taking it  at my  age  and  the  national  average  life  expectance   it's a  50  50  I make  it  ....no  since in taking it if  I  ain't  going to  need  it in the here after .......
Trapp...I said the same thing....I'll wait til 2025...it'd be a waste of time if I kick the bucket before that....I wonder if the 20yrs I spent in the coast guard running small boats,  gun boats, 30-44'era as a coxswain would help me pass the course?
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SSmokinn SS on Aug 07, 2019, 09:20 PM
Looks like I have until 2023 🤣
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 08, 2019, 03:01 AM
I'll sell the boat before I'll pay $30 for a course I took more than 50 years ago.

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 08, 2019, 05:49 AM
you better not sell your  boat!  that's a  classic  here on mff

hey  what  happened  to the  little  pontoon boat?
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 08, 2019, 06:09 AM
 As of 2018 there were 438,891 registered power boaters , I believe 4.5 injuries  per 100,000 ,  78% are alcohol related
 That alone comes to $13,166,730 hmmm
 
NYC Motor vehicle deaths 2018  = 200
And 114 pedestrians killed ,
 
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: icejohn on Aug 08, 2019, 07:45 AM
There is a need for boaters education but with mature adults who have been on the water for numbers of years....I don't think so. As filet mentioned the amount of car deaths compared to boating deaths is substantial. Hopefully they don't make us old farts have to take written driver ed course again. I think boating classes are important for young boaters and new boaters....the rest is common sense.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 08, 2019, 08:14 AM
There is a need for boaters education but with mature adults who have been on the water for numbers of years....I don't think so. As filet mentioned the amount of car deaths compared to boating deaths is substantial. Hopefully they don't make us old farts have to take written driver ed course again. I think boating classes are important for young boaters and new boaters....the rest is common sense.


I took the boater safety course back in the early 80's.
This past spring I took the Florida safe boater course, on line.
It was difficult and it was free.
I learned a lot more and refreshed things I had forgotten.
I am 63 and have been boating ever since I was a kid.
Since I was 21 I have owned and operated over a dozen boats of all sizes and shapes up to 25'.
My point here is that I feel everyone can benefit by taking a boater safety course.

As for paying...………….Florida's was free and on line.
And it was VERY thorough.
I did not score 100% on every test that was required.

This entire thing is simply a money grab.
A good thing about making the safety course required, but charging for it is a money grab.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: ShaneO19 on Aug 08, 2019, 08:48 AM
I took the course when I was 12.  I am 33 now.  I lost the one certificate I got within a couple years.  Of course there is no record of me taking the test so I guess I would have to take it again.  It is utter non-sense.  And since you can take it online anyone can probably take it for anyone else. 
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SHaRPS on Aug 08, 2019, 11:08 AM
These are the laws in RI -

All those born on or after January 1, 1986, are required to pass an approved boater education course before they legally may operate any vessel powered by a motor of more than 10 horsepower.

Anyone operating a personal watercraft (PWC), regardless of age, must have passed an approved boater education course.

I am not trying to start a war here but its a simple test and you actually learn something from it if you actually pay attention and stop thinking its a waste of time. I did it when I was 15 and do not regret it. 1 time deal and done for life just like a hunter safety course or drivers license. To be honest, I wish trailering was also a separate or combined test. From someone taking 30 minutes to try and back up a jet ski to people almost stabbing each other at public docs. I have zero tolerance for wasted time at a dock. Maybe its just me but I feel like a little education can go a long way.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Rugburn on Aug 08, 2019, 12:43 PM
"Zero tolerance for wasted time at dock"? So you're one of those guys....
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: caught_the_fever on Aug 08, 2019, 01:20 PM
Being an out-of-stater, I don't have any skin in this particular case though I've read this thread with interest.  It seems there could be some fine tuning to the execution but I would love to see Maine enact a similar requirement in the spirit of it for all powerboat operators.  I've seen it far too many times where boats are going fast enough to pull a skier within 50 yards of shore - forget the environmental consequences and just think of potential for swimmers.  Had one bearing down on us with every single member of that crew watching the skier, including the operator.  Been left in wakes in our canoe too many times to recall.   They'll always be jerks but due to frequency I'm inclined to believe it's just people who don't know better.

The long term operator situation seems to be a sticky one - I was out on the water in a friend's boat who'd been boating since the 60's.  I rarely had at the time, stuck to paddle propelled craft - we're en route to our spot and I had to tell him to kill the motor as I could see boulders about 3' below water line.  All were marked appropriately, it had just been some time since he operated and he's no where near unintelligent or senile.  Most may be fine but if not properly trained, a lot of bad habits can creep in or things are forgotten as had happened in this case.

These days the various costs, legal fees and settlement of a single fatality could approach that of total revenue from this course.  This is exclusive of the emotional impact on a family who no longer has the affected person(s) in their life.  There are plenty of other things I think all would rather spend $30 on as well but this is likely 1/3 - 1/2 the cost of filling one's boat.  If only driver education was that inexpensive.

Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SHaRPS on Aug 08, 2019, 01:22 PM
"Zero tolerance for wasted time at dock"? So you're one of those guys....

Please do explain..... My meaning of that was, if there is a sign that says 10 minute limit, why are you taking 30? I do not say anything to anyone, I actually laugh at how uneducated people are when it comes to boat ramp etiquette.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SHaRPS on Aug 08, 2019, 02:14 PM
Being an out-of-stater, I don't have any skin in this particular case though I've read this thread with interest.  It seems there could be some fine tuning to the execution but I would love to see Maine enact a similar requirement in the spirit of it for all powerboat operators.  I've seen it far too many times where boats are going fast enough to pull a skier within 50 yards of shore - forget the environmental consequences and just think of potential for swimmers.  Had one bearing down on us with every single member of that crew watching the skier, including the operator.  Been left in wakes in our canoe too many times to recall.   They'll always be jerks but due to frequency I'm inclined to believe it's just people who don't know better.

The long term operator situation seems to be a sticky one - I was out on the water in a friend's boat who'd been boating since the 60's.  I rarely had at the time, stuck to paddle propelled craft - we're en route to our spot and I had to tell him to kill the motor as I could see boulders about 3' below water line.  All were marked appropriately, it had just been some time since he operated and he's no where near unintelligent or senile.  Most may be fine but if not properly trained, a lot of bad habits can creep in or things are forgotten as had happened in this case.

These days the various costs, legal fees and settlement of a single fatality could approach that of total revenue from this course.  This is exclusive of the emotional impact on a family who no longer has the affected person(s) in their life.  There are plenty of other things I think all would rather spend $30 on as well but this is likely 1/3 - 1/2 the cost of filling one's boat.  If only driver education was that inexpensive.

Well said sir!  For the long term operator -  I agree with you but I would still feel better knowing that someone took the course and forgot than to have never taken it in the first place. A lot of people are focused on themselves and that they are safe and etc. Thats fine, I feel the same way but its not me that I am worried about on the water. Its you and the other guy and the guy after that.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Rugburn on Aug 08, 2019, 02:15 PM
It was just an unforgiving statement is all. We've all seen newbies struggle, and also seen launch bullies. I tend to sit back and enjoy the show, or maybe offer some help.

I have no problem with taking the course. And the money grab doesn't surprise me at all. I would like to know their plans for the cash though.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SHaRPS on Aug 08, 2019, 02:22 PM
It was just an unforgiving statement is all. We've all seen newbies struggle, and also seen launch bullies. I tend to sit back and enjoy the show, or maybe offer some help.

I have no problem with taking the course. And the money grab doesn't surprise me at all. I would like to know their plans for the cash though.

Rugburn - I agree, I left my comment open. Its not the newbie that gets me, I too offer help. I have even jumped into their vehicles to back them in and or jumped on their boats to drive it onto the trailer. Launch bullies, some verbal some physical but no need for that either way. Its the people that decide to load their entire boat up at the dock when their are 5 other boats trying to launch and 4 trying to dock. Have you ever waited 3 hours to get you boat out because 3 people were so disorganized? Its terrible and fixable.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Rugburn on Aug 08, 2019, 02:40 PM
The launches I hit aren't all that busy, except on a holiday. Around here the traffic jam happens when the morning anglers are coming off and the tubers/recreationalists are heading out. Then the etiquette can go out the window. No amount of school will fix the congestion on those days, and the frustration that goes along with it. I just try and be patient, and not let it ruin my day.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 08, 2019, 02:59 PM
The launches can become pretty hectic at times ,
 I have helped out at the launch and so has my wife many times over the years ,
Rugburn I know what your talking about using the ramp to stage and as a tie down area when they are painted out in yellow , last guy I politely ask if he knew about them , what a Richard cranium,
 Somethings are just permanently broke
Just like someone flying out of heavy fog
 Trust me I’m not against the test it’s how it looks , from nov-April boats under 21’ people need to wear PFDs unless they have changed that 1 , bigger boats shouldn’t be exempt IMO
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 08, 2019, 04:04 PM
out of  state fisherman  may  have a  bone in this  fight  just like  helmets on  motorcycles    cell phones  insurance   and  such   new  York  may  ask you to take  the course  as  well  being  someone  from another state I am  sure the  price  will be  double of course .....

I  said  this  with  the  trout limit  .... the  ban on buying lead  weights  ....and  the  new  licenses  ...it  sucks  keep  voting for  morons that  don't listen
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 08, 2019, 05:30 PM
Another partially lucid response.

I won't take another boating course. They can try to fine me...they can try to incarcerate me, they can try to take my boat etc..........they better bring a lunch!

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 08, 2019, 05:52 PM
Another partially lucid response.

I won't take another boating course. They can try to fine me...they can try to incarcerate me, they can try to take my boat etc..........they better bring a lunch!

Rg


I don’t see any quote symbols Bob

So what are you trying to say here?
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 08, 2019, 06:22 PM
Nothing new.

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 08, 2019, 06:43 PM

 Oh boy
 
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Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: icejohn on Aug 08, 2019, 06:50 PM
Another partially lucid response.

I won't take another boating course. They can try to fine me...they can try to incarcerate me, they can try to take my boat etc..........they better bring a lunch!

Rg


I'm with you Bob....in fact if my coast guard ID isn't enough...they can ticket me.
John
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Frankie Bags on Aug 08, 2019, 06:51 PM
Nothing new.

Rg
Give them the glare and they’ll move on.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 08, 2019, 07:15 PM

 Take-m fishing
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 09, 2019, 03:08 AM
I don't travel far with the boat any more. About 1.5 miles from my house to drop it in the canal. If they want to ticket me on the canal for not having taken this course, I'll go see the town justice.

He's my neighbor.

Just where are these courses supposed to given anyway?
Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 09, 2019, 03:11 AM
Just found it.

https://www.boat-ed.com/newyork/?campaignid=261945619&adgroupid=18544659379&keyword=%2Bboat%20%2Bsafety%20%2Bcourse&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvfeq_ar14wIViZOzCh0Jnw4dEAAYASAAEgLYNvD_BwE (https://www.boat-ed.com/newyork/?campaignid=261945619&adgroupid=18544659379&keyword=%2Bboat%20%2Bsafety%20%2Bcourse&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvfeq_ar14wIViZOzCh0Jnw4dEAAYASAAEgLYNvD_BwE)

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 09, 2019, 03:23 AM
Ha! Found the loophole!
A certificate is not required if you rent a boat. I'll put the boat in my Bride's name and rent it from her when I go fishing.

Perfect!

Time to go for my morning walk.

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Johnnh on Aug 09, 2019, 04:50 AM
In New Hampshire the boat rental places are required to give you a state certified short version of the boat operators test.
John
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 09, 2019, 05:46 AM
Another partially lucid response.

I won't take another boating course. They can try to fine me...they can try to incarcerate me, they can try to take my boat etc..........they better bring a lunch!

Rg

tell us how you really feel

although I like your idea  :thumbup_smilie:
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 09, 2019, 06:21 AM
I  did  some  quick research   there is  several  on line  sites  you can take the  course  ...it  said the  only free  one  was  ....

http://www.boatus.org/newyork/ (http://www.boatus.org/newyork/)

I  also  checked  the  new  York  dec web site  and it  said  if  you had taken a  boater  safety course   before and  lost your  card  you  can  go  to the  dec   parks web site  and  apply  for a replacement  for  10  bucks

they have  not  yet  decided  if  canoes  kayaks and  none  motorized  row  boats  will need  the  course  .....


hope  this  helps

Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 09, 2019, 07:32 AM
You can only get a replacement card if you took the course after 1990 I think. Records before that are not in the computer system.

I like the free course, but, you still have to fork over $10 to Mario to get a card. I don't have to think about it again till 2025.

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Jethro on Aug 09, 2019, 08:22 AM
I was all nervous about having to have one here in NH.. I have a fairly big boat with a big outboard, I'm sorta young (at least look it) and since getting my boaters certificate I have not been checked once by anyone. I think the issue would only come about if you got yanked for a violation of some sort. Then they would just tack on the fine. I believe no certificate in NH is a $130 fine but it may be considered a moving violation which would go against your drivers license. Not sure about that one. Either way I am surprised that I have never been checked, I tend to fish larger lakes that have dedicated Marine Patrol on them.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 09, 2019, 08:55 AM
You can only get a replacement card if you took the course after 1990 I think. Records before that are not in the computer system.

I like the free course, but, you still have to fork over $10 to Mario to get a card. I don't have to think about it again till 2025.

Rg

RG  I  went to the  DEC  web page  then the  boat us  page it says you  down load the  card  and  print it  yourself  free......
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Johnnh on Aug 09, 2019, 09:28 AM
I know a fellow boater here in New Hampshire that got a ticket for being on plane within 150 feet from shore. He paid his fine and had to re-take the boaters safety course. Appantly your certificate is cancelled when you get a ticket.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: big_guy_13021 on Aug 09, 2019, 10:12 AM
I've had my card for 16 years now ..every year the cayuga county sheriff's office give to courses for free 8 hour course..I wouldn't a had mine if I didnt own a few jetskis ..the sherrifs that give the course even get you pizza for lunch ..not a bad deal .and yes they still give the course ..everyone complains about jetskiers but some boaters are 20 times worse than a jetskier..and trapper your to miserable to kick the bucket any time soon..along with a few others on here :D :thumbup_smilie: :thumbup_smilie:...besides we are in ny did you expect anything less.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 09, 2019, 11:22 AM
jet skis  s---
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: jperch on Aug 09, 2019, 12:19 PM
It's interesting to me to contrast this boating education requirement with the NYS requirement for hunting with a crossbow.  After these implements became legal for hunting big game the state mandated that hunters who use a crossbow must carry a self issued document that states that you have read some material about hunting with a crossbow.  It costs nothing and is pretty much a joke.  I wonder if a CO ever issued a ticket for not carrying that piece of paper?  Most serious archers would say that if you have not hunted with a bow then you need to take the archery course before taking up a crossbow.  So there is justification for some sort of mandated education.  But now anyway, what they offer is free.  The hunter ed courses are taught by dedicated volunteers, are reasonably extensive and as far as I know are still free.  Thirty dollars for something offered online seems extreme to me.  I took the CG course as a young teenager, I don't mind a refresher.  But for a lot of folks 30 bucks is a burden.  C'mon Andy!
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 09, 2019, 03:27 PM
I  was  checked  last year  for  that card    and he looked  at my archery license  also  and  my  archery tag

there  are  safety  considerations  with a  cross  bow  that you  don't have  with  neither a  firearm nor  bow  ....discharge! cocking  bow  properly ......lubing cables  and  strings  as  well as the  rail..... truth is if there was a  crossbow  course  I  would  want to take  it
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Aug 09, 2019, 05:08 PM
I  was  checked  last year  for  that card    and he looked  at my archery license  also  and  my  archery tag

there  are  safety  considerations  with a  cross  bow  that you  don't have  with  neither a  firearm nor  bow  ....discharge! cocking  bow  properly ......lubing cables  and  strings  as  well as the  rail..... truth is if there was a  crossbow  course  I  would  want to take  it


I love my crossbow.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 09, 2019, 05:46 PM
RG  I  went to the  DEC  web page  then the  boat us  page it says you  down load the  card  and  print it  yourself  free......

If it's in the computer system. I took my boater safety course at the US  Coast Guard Station in Charlotte in 1960. Those records are not in the current computer system.

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 09, 2019, 05:48 PM
I  was  checked  last year  for  that card    and he looked  at my archery license  also  and  my  archery tag

there  are  safety  considerations  with a  cross  bow  that you  don't have  with  neither a  firearm nor  bow  ....discharge! cocking  bow  properly ......lubing cables  and  strings  as  well as the  rail..... truth is if there was a  crossbow  course  I  would  want to take  it

What does a crossbow course have to do with a boating safety course?....

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 09, 2019, 06:17 PM
It's interesting to me to contrast this boating education requirement with the NYS requirement for hunting with a crossbow.  After these implements became legal for hunting big game the state mandated that hunters who use a crossbow must carry a self issued document that states that you have read some material about hunting with a crossbow.  It costs nothing and is pretty much a joke.  I wonder if a CO ever issued a ticket for not carrying that piece of paper?  Most serious archers would say that if you have not hunted with a bow then you need to take the archery course before taking up a crossbow.  So there is justification for some sort of mandated education.  But now anyway, what they offer is free.  The hunter ed courses are taught by dedicated volunteers, are reasonably extensive and as far as I know are still free.  Thirty dollars for something offered online seems extreme to me.  I took the CG course as a young teenager, I don't mind a refresher.  But for a lot of folks 30 bucks is a burden.  C'mon Andy!
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: bbfrogger on Aug 09, 2019, 06:23 PM
Please do explain..... My meaning of that was, if there is a sign that says 10 minute limit, why are you taking 30? I do not say anything to anyone, I actually laugh at how uneducated people are when it comes to boat ramp etiquette.

With all due respect you're coming across like a real jack@ss.  Instead of laughing maybe you should give the people struggling a hand with all of your incredible knowledge and talent.  SMH
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 09, 2019, 06:24 PM
What does a crossbow course have to do with a boating safety course?....

Rg

I  think  jperch was  making the  comparisons  and  differences  in the  boater safety course  and  the  crossbow safety card  ...I replied with the info that in deed I was  checked  ......  it's  called  conversation and  not bantor  RG  I  remember a time  you  enjoyed it  ...sorry if we  annoyed you...

I  like  mine  too badbrad  but I like my  bow  to   

 
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 09, 2019, 06:28 PM
With all due respect you're coming across like a real jack@ss.  Instead of laughing maybe you should give the people struggling a hand with all of your incredible knowledge and talent.  SMH

frogger  at  times  I seen  people ot ramps  being  jerks  others I seen  people  really needing help like a old  man  trying to  get in the water  quickly  because of  the line  unhook his  trailer  from the  hitch .... funny  now  not funny when the old  boy  was almost crying  ....... if folks  need a hand  were sportsmen  lets  help them out 

oh darn  this  has  nothing to  do  with the  boaters  safety  course  ...i'm  going to get scolded again  guys :(
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: lowaccord66 on Aug 09, 2019, 07:21 PM
With all due respect you're coming across like a real jack@ss.  Instead of laughing maybe you should give the people struggling a hand with all of your incredible knowledge and talent.  SMH

Is he or are you deciding he is because you interpreted what he wrote that way?  If you knew the man you'd never ever write that.  I can think of some choice words for people that are quick to judge others...but someone already mentioned Richard C.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: jperch on Aug 09, 2019, 09:49 PM
The point I was trying to make is that the state is inconsistent in how seriously they take certifications and also in their pricing policy.  The state would purchase software rights for the course for a certain period of time from some vendor.  The unit cost per boater would be substantially less than 30 dollars.  So I have to think they could offer an online boating course for free or for a lot less than 30 dollars.  Sorry if I was confusing, bad migraine day.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SHaRPS on Aug 10, 2019, 10:13 AM
With all due respect you're coming across like a real jack@ss.  Instead of laughing maybe you should give the people struggling a hand with all of your incredible knowledge and talent.  SMH

With all due respect, next time you decide to call someone names make sure you read what you are responding to and take a second to understand the content instead of interpreting it how ever you choose it fits you best. Read, comprehend,  then respond. Please sir explain to me how I can help someone when I am spinning in circles on the water waiting for a spot at the dock because certain people want to load their entire boat up one piece of equipment at a time, hence the 30 minute wait vs the 10 or less like I mentioned and which you tagged me in while calling me Jack@ss. Cooler, fishing rods, tackle, sunblock, 8 trips later. Why not have this all on the boat before you launch and park? Would you like me to jump off the boat, swim to them so I can help them load their boat, then swim back to my boat that is now 100 yards down the bay because the tide is outgoing? Clearly that makes me a jack@ss right? Is that incredible knowledge, no it's common sense. Did I not say I helped people back their trailers in? I can call you names if I like as well but this isn't the place for it and I have some respect. Or, maybe it's because I do consider myself a decent human being and do help others, WHEN ITS ACTUALLY FEASIBLE. Enjoy your day.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SHaRPS on Aug 10, 2019, 10:15 AM
Is he or are you deciding he is because you interpreted what he wrote that way?  If you knew the man you'd never ever write that.  I can think of some choice words for people that are quick to judge others...but someone already mentioned Richard C.

Jon, I appreciate the kind words buddy. I'll take it as a misunderstanding...... you nymphing today?
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: lowaccord66 on Aug 10, 2019, 01:22 PM
Jon, I appreciate the kind words buddy. I'll take it as a misunderstanding...... you nymphing today?

Anytime Mike. Landed 14 this morning, largest was a 3lb bow.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 10, 2019, 02:04 PM
3 lb rainbows  and  kind  words  toward  each other ....ok  enough hostilitys   GROUP  HUG !!!!!!   come  on that  includes  frogger and  even  RG......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9AH4vG2wA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9AH4vG2wA)
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: bbfrogger on Aug 10, 2019, 03:06 PM
Is he or are you deciding he is because you interpreted what he wrote that way?  If you knew the man you'd never ever write that.  I can think of some choice words for people that are quick to judge others...but someone already mentioned Richard C.

When a person actually times how long it takes a person to launch or take his boat out (30 minutes in a 10 minute launch limit), and says he laughs at the people doing something they may only do twice a year at most, when they are probably trying their best, I'm not interpreting anything.  He's identifying who and what he is.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: bbfrogger on Aug 10, 2019, 03:10 PM
With all due respect, next time you decide to call someone names make sure you read what you are responding to and take a second to understand the content instead of interpreting it how ever you choose it fits you best. Read, comprehend,  then respond. Please sir explain to me how I can help someone when I am spinning in circles on the water waiting for a spot at the dock because certain people want to load their entire boat up one piece of equipment at a time, hence the 30 minute wait vs the 10 or less like I mentioned and which you tagged me in while calling me Jack@ss. Cooler, fishing rods, tackle, sunblock, 8 trips later. Why not have this all on the boat before you launch and park? Would you like me to jump off the boat, swim to them so I can help them load their boat, then swim back to my boat that is now 100 yards down the bay because the tide is outgoing? Clearly that makes me a jack@ss right? Is that incredible knowledge, no it's common sense. Did I not say I helped people back their trailers in? I can call you names if I like as well but this isn't the place for it and I have some respect. Or, maybe it's because I do consider myself a decent human being and do help others, WHEN ITS ACTUALLY FEASIBLE. Enjoy your day.

Near as I can tell after all that you are also a long winded jack@ss as well.  Learn to have some patience with others - you identified who and what you are in your first couple posts.  You enjoy your day too. 
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: zwiggles on Aug 10, 2019, 04:32 PM
^^^^
Don’t feed the trolls.... it’s not worth it they only bring you down to their level....
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 10, 2019, 04:41 PM
If you play with the pigs, you'll only get dirty.

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SHaRPS on Aug 10, 2019, 05:22 PM
Lmao. Go fish
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 10, 2019, 05:24 PM
I plan on it. In the morning. I'll be on my backyard stream with the 2 wt searching for a feisty bass.

Some days I wish I had salty water at my door.

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Rugburn on Aug 10, 2019, 09:33 PM
Guess I'll just take the course, have until 2025. Keep my eye out for the free one for now.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 11, 2019, 06:35 AM
What does a crossbow course have to do with a boating safety course?....

Rg

same  as  this  "I'll be on my backyard stream with the 2 wt searching for a feisty bass. "  :rotflol:
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Raquettedacker on Aug 11, 2019, 06:51 AM
I have no problem paying the $30 . I would mail it in tomorrow. It's the whole day that I wasted when I could be doing something else..
I will pony up and go take it..
They better feed me while i'm there......... ;)
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 11, 2019, 07:14 AM
 I personally would like to know what this possible 13.1 mill will be used for
 
   
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Raquettedacker on Aug 11, 2019, 07:23 AM
I personally would like to know what this possible 13.1 mill will be used for
 
 

  I hope it goes to fixing boat launches..........
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: BiteMe on Aug 11, 2019, 08:00 AM
in today's paper:

Boating Safety Certificate course requirements can be completed with one of the online courses listed below. These will provide the same information supplied in the classroom courses. Course providers are responsible for any fees they may charge. Successful completion of unit exams is required in order to advance through the course and ultimately undertake a comprehensive final exam. Fees paid to the online provider cover the cost of your permanent certificate issued by the provider.

› BOATERexamm › Boat-ED › Boat U.S. › America’s Boating Club (formerly known as US Power Squadron) Spanish online course available  $29.95

› BoatSmart › iLearnToBoat Refer to the DEC website for more information about online safety courses.  $49.50

 >:( >:(
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: bbfrogger on Aug 11, 2019, 08:27 AM
^^^^
Don’t feed the trolls.... it’s not worth it they only bring you down to their level....

And yet you continue to "feed the trolls".  Time to take your own advice I'd say.  :-).  Hope you and the New Hampshire guy have a great day.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 11, 2019, 04:31 PM
  I hope it goes to fixing boat launches..........

Well, you can hope in one hand and...........in the other. .....and see which one fills up first. My guess is it will be syphoned into the "General Fund".

Rg 
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 11, 2019, 06:01 PM
 That’s what I was thinking RG
  After how he handled the MTA money 😉
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 11, 2019, 06:06 PM
And the thruway toll increase....etc....etc....etc.

We just love paying for downstate woes.

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 11, 2019, 06:34 PM
And the thruway toll increase....etc....etc....etc.

We just love paying for downstate woes.

Rg
Yes sir , they keep putting them back at the wheel 😜
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Deadeyez on Aug 11, 2019, 08:53 PM
I personally would like to know what this possible 13.1 mill will be used for
 
 
maybe they can put an octagon down at Godfrey launch for cage matches. It would settle debates a little quicker 😜
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SHaRPS on Aug 12, 2019, 06:31 AM
I plan on it. In the morning. I'll be on my backyard stream with the 2 wt searching for a feisty bass.

Some days I wish I had salty water at my door.

Rg

I hope you got into some fish. One big reason I love RI. Endless freshwater fishing opportunities yet the salt is right at my feet. Great variety of ocean life as well.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Old Timer on Aug 12, 2019, 06:41 AM
My first boat with a motor( a 1/2 horse Neptune) was in 1946.  What do you think I`m going to do ???  Well, I`ll take my chances with the law and the Justice if it comes to violating Crummo`s law.
How in the world did I ever make it to 81 without all these recent laws to protect me ??? 50 years ago my Dad told me “we have too many people watching out for us”..  what would he think today ??? 
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 12, 2019, 07:03 AM
I hope you got into some fish. One big reason I love RI. Endless freshwater fishing opportunities yet the salt is right at my feet. Great variety of ocean life as well.
Creek was up and stained. Managed one big largemouth ( well, big for that stream). Took the little spinning rod instead.

My first boat was a 10' flat bottom plywood boat with a 7 1/2 hp Wizzard motor from Western Auto. My dad got that for me when I was 10 years old......1960. He made me take the course at the Coast Gaurd Auxiliary in Charlotte before I could drive the boat.

I'd venture that more than 90% of boating accidents are alcohol related. A safety certificate won't help that kind of stupid.

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SHaRPS on Aug 12, 2019, 11:19 AM
maybe they can put an octagon down at Godfrey launch for cage matches. It would settle debates a little quicker 😜

LMFAO - nice!
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 12, 2019, 11:40 AM

Deady does remind me of (Ravishing  Rick Rude )
 😎
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Deadeyez on Aug 12, 2019, 12:41 PM
Maybe if I had hair lmao 😂 😂😂😂
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 12, 2019, 02:36 PM

Ok go as the iron sheik
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 12, 2019, 02:41 PM
You Oneida guys really crack me up.

I've seen more craziness at Oneida launches than anywhere I've ever put in. Twice I've seen people drop their boats off bogey wheeled trailers 20' from the water.

But...wait a minute.....the boater safety course will take care of all that.....right?

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 12, 2019, 06:08 PM
i been thinking....I took a  hunter safety  course  when I was  12  took it again at 60 with the grand brat.  Im glad I did   same  with the bow  course  ...I  took a  3 hour safe  driving course  at  16  to  drive  took  a  extended  one  to lower my insurance  again  glad I  did ....i'm  going to take  this  boater safety  course ,it might  stop  me  from getting in a accident .... what do I have to  lose  except  ignorance  and I admit I'm not a great boater  to me it's  just a  tool to hunt ducks and  catch fish.....yes i been in  boats  over  55 years ...probably been  doing the  same  mistakes all that  time
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 12, 2019, 06:22 PM
Good attitude Trap
However, there are others out there who feel that because they have never wrecked or sunk their boat, or received a citation, that they cannot learn more, or anything new.

Like I’ve said, I took the course back in the 60’s.  Yet, I had a tough time retaking the Florida boating course a few months back.

It’s not the common sense stuff.
It’s the “correct”rules, navigation buoys, etc.  that is tough to remember.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: big_guy_13021 on Aug 12, 2019, 07:02 PM
Are we still going on about this good grief.. :o
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: fishinjohn on Aug 12, 2019, 07:06 PM
Here is my 02 on this subject... if the state REALLY WANTED SAFETY to be their objective.. it would be MANDATORY AND FREE... it's nothing but a money scheme for the state.. no matter what ANYONE SAYS.. they see an opportunity to make money and they jump on it..
I'll gladly take the course.  However I feel its 100% BULLSH@#ST
You CANT FIX STUPID..
Case in point...
I'm at Barcelona on Sunday (big tourney going on)
My boat is resting on dock and another boat is resting on dock beside me.. NO ROOM FOR A 3RD BOAT...
Some JACKWAGON with a $65k boat decides hes gonna TRY to launch his boat BETWEEN US...
NOOOOO SIIIIR...
As I walked toward my boat.. I hollared.. HEY..  ILL BE OUT OF YOUR WAY IN 2 SECONDS
He decided to wait...
NO COURSE IS GONNA HELP THAT FELLA
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 13, 2019, 03:23 AM
Good attitude Trap
However, there are others out there who feel that because they have never wrecked or sunk their boat, or received a citation, that they cannot learn more, or anything new.

Like I’ve said, I took the course back in the 60’s.  Yet, I had a tough time retaking the Florida boating course a few months back.

It’s not the common sense stuff.
It’s the “correct”rules, navigation buoys, etc.  that is tough to remember.

You need that knowledge in Florida waters Mac! Even on Lake Erie. That's big water.

I'll be 75 in 2025. If I still have my boat, I promise to take the course.

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 13, 2019, 04:37 AM
i believe the fee's are  going to the  organzations  giving the courses  for material  I could  be  wrong but that's  the way i'm taking it  also there are  free  courses   boat-us  on line  course is free....
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: old man river on Aug 13, 2019, 05:34 AM
 I took this online course Aug. 10/2019
It is an  online course from  BOAT U.S. Foundation
It had 7 chapters including test after each  plus  final exam
The only cost was $13.00 to cover cost of processing the card
I asked the person on the phone about the exam satisfying
this new law in N.Y.  I was told yes it does.
I hope so
Ralph
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: joefish1 on Aug 13, 2019, 06:29 AM
The question of taking or not taking the safety course is not the problem.  The problem is WHO is going to enforce it ?  95% of the  time the only time you will get asked if you have a card is if there is an accident and the Law gets involved.  As for the LAW patrolling the waters and doing random checks it is almost a non-happening event.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 13, 2019, 07:03 AM
You need that knowledge in Florida waters Mac! Even on Lake Erie. That's big water.

I'll be 75 in 2025. If I still have my boat, I promise to take the course.

Rg

I respectfully disagree "slightly" Bob.
You fish in the canal system as many of us here in NY do.
And the canal system also extends thru many of the Finger Lakes, etc.
There are markers and buoys that need to be interpreted and adhered to.
There are bridges and locks that have rules and procedures that need to followed.
Just because you have operated a boat for 50+ years, as I have, doesn't mean that you know any or all of this.

Bob - you were a d**n good electrician for a very long time.
But that didn't mean you couldn't benefit from additional training from time to time.
Things change.

As I said, I am not against the requirement here to get EVERY NY boater to take this course.
I have a problem in the fee to do so.
The Florida course I took was extensive, on line, AND IT WAS FREE.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: rgfixit on Aug 13, 2019, 07:11 AM
I don't disagree with your perspective Mac. As I said, if I still have a boat in 2025, I'll take the course.

Here's a good read regarding boating accidents put out by the NYS Parks and Recreation Dept.

https://parks.ny.gov/recreation/boating/documents/RecreationalBoatingReport.pdf (https://parks.ny.gov/recreation/boating/documents/RecreationalBoatingReport.pdf)

I found the onwater enforcement statistics particularly interesting.

Rg
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 13, 2019, 10:10 AM
I respectfully disagree "slightly" Bob.
You fish in the canal system as many of us here in NY do.
And the canal system also extends thru many of the Finger Lakes, etc.
There are markers and buoys that need to be interpreted and adhered to.
There are bridges and locks that have rules and procedures that need to followed.
Just because you have operated a boat for 50+ years, as I have, doesn't mean that you know any or all of this.

Bob - you were a d**n good electrician for a very long time.
But that didn't mean you couldn't benefit from additional training from time to time.
Things change.

As I said, I am not against the requirement here to get EVERY NY boater to take this course.
I have a problem in the fee to do so.
The Florida course I took was extensive, on line, AND IT WAS FREE.


is the  florida  course  accepted in new York????
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 13, 2019, 11:10 AM

is the  florida  course  accepted in new York????

have not checked yet



yet
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SizeMatters on Aug 13, 2019, 02:56 PM
Completed the BoatUS course today between 1000 and 1500.  Ran some errands, had lunch, watched it rain, took a nap, still had it all done in a few hours.  No big deal, it's free, when you're done they give you options to receive the certificate by email or for a fee they'll send you a card.  The email certificate says  on it that it's "temporary" and valid for 90 days.  They want you to buy their card.  Another option links you direct to NYDMV and they'll either send you a new drivers license with the boating safety icon on it ($12 if I remember right) or you have the option of receiving it the next time you renew your driver license.  Either way you get a confirmation number that it's in the NYDMV data base.  Couldn't be any easier or cost less.   Hardest part is that each page is timed and you have wait for the time to run out like 20 seconds before you go to the next page.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 13, 2019, 03:53 PM
Completed the BoatUS course today between 1000 and 1500.  Ran some errands, had lunch, watched it rain, took a nap, still had it all done in a few hours.  No big deal, it's free, when you're done they give you options to receive the certificate by email or for a fee they'll send you a card.  The email certificate says  on it that it's "temporary" and valid for 90 days.  They want you to buy their card.  Another option links you direct to NYDMV and they'll either send you a new drivers license with the boating safety icon on it ($12 if I remember right) or you have the option of receiving it the next time you renew your driver license.  Either way you get a confirmation number that it's in the NYDMV data base.  Couldn't be any easier or cost less.   Hardest part is that each page is timed and you have wait for the time to run out like 20 seconds before you go to the next page.

Good man Greg!
Yes, it could cost less.

 ;)
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 13, 2019, 04:10 PM
i'm  going to  do it  this week ...I  honestly  want to.i been in boats all my life  and  have  no idea  what bouys mean  what  other then  ones we  fish  by ....

and  who  will enforce it ...  the  Oswego  county sheriffs  have  checked  me  before  for jackets besides I rather  be all legal and  not  worry besides  I take my grandchildren  I  rather  be  up on  any  safety issues......
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 13, 2019, 05:02 PM
I take my grandchildren  I  rather  be  up on  any  safety issues......


'nuff said!

No better reason in the world Trap.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: wallyworld on Aug 13, 2019, 05:54 PM
Good for you Trapp, can't be too careful with the grandkids   :clapping:  I also did the BoatUS course, took the course as a kid 50+ years ago, figured a refresher was a pretty good idea  ;)  when my driver's license renews it will have the little anchor on it, couldn't be easier  :thumbup_smilie:
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Dirtyhooker on Aug 14, 2019, 06:10 PM
I have no problem taken a refresher course since my original course in 1975 but I do have a problem with rental boats being exempt just this Sunday a Kayaker was run over on Lake George by a rental boat operator just does not make sense
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 14, 2019, 07:04 PM
I have no problem taken a refresher course since my original course in 1975 but I do have a problem with rental boats being exempt just this Sunday a Kayaker was run over on Lake George by a rental boat operator just does not make sense

Agreed!

In order to rent the boat in Florida I was required to take the course.
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Johnnh on Aug 14, 2019, 07:38 PM
Same here in New Hampshire re: rental operator has to take a short course
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SeanP on Aug 15, 2019, 01:31 PM
Do the illegal aliens have to take it or is their state issued drivers license enough?
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 15, 2019, 04:32 PM

The OMG maybe in NY
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SeanP on Aug 15, 2019, 05:02 PM
I have mine and so do my boys but seriously......only the law abiding folks will do the course.  NJ requires it but it is a good idea anyway.

Point is, you cannot legislate common sense!! 

Sean P
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: filetandrelease on Aug 15, 2019, 05:12 PM

Point is, you cannot legislate common sense!!
Sean P
True , I seen many people over the years that were great test takers but didn’t have a lick of common sense
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Johnnh on Aug 15, 2019, 05:26 PM
With all the rules, laws, tests, etc.
YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 15, 2019, 06:48 PM
do you realize we are in a prime fishing time  and the one comments people make are   this course the weather and  music ........... we are sad
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 15, 2019, 07:03 PM
do you realize we are in a prime fishing time  and the one comments people make are   this course the weather and  music ........... we are sad

There’s more that are active Trap.
But we had you banned from those threads.
You can’t see them.

😎
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: trapper2000 on Aug 15, 2019, 08:47 PM
you'd get bored without me mac .....
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: SizeMatters on Aug 16, 2019, 04:42 AM
There’s more that are active Trap.
But we had you banned from those threads.
You can’t see them.

😎

you'd get bored without me mac .....
:rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
Title: Re: All power boats operators in NY will need safety course by 2025
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 16, 2019, 07:17 AM
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