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MFF US Northeast => New York => Topic started by: catfisher on Feb 23, 2017, 12:13 PM
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:( FYI cost of rez fishing permit now $60. Marshalls are active, but nice. Caught some northerns, a walleye, some suckers. Comradery with other nearby fishermen was awesome.
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Thanks for the update catfisher.
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:( FYI cost of rez fishing permit now $60. Marshalls are active, but nice. Caught some northerns, a walleye, some suckers. Comradery with other nearby fishermen was awesome.
Just a footnote to your post. If over 65 years of age the Seneca Nations fishing permit is much less. I paid $15 a few years ago. Think they may have had an increase, but is cheaper for seniors. Also NYS rules DO NOT apply to Nations fishing regulations such as length of walleyes and season.
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Would you happen to know if it is less for Disabled Vets?
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I may be wrong but I believe state regulations do apply to all non native americans when fishing on res
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Stickhick86 the best I can answer your question going by the Seneca Nations handbook guide lines is: Disabled person (50%or more is $10.00. I believe they have had a raise in license fees since I got this guidelines in 2015. As for Nation rules and NYS they are not the same an example is Walleye limit 4 no more then one walleye 21". A phone number for Seneca Nation Indian Marshall Department for Cattaraugus County is 716- 532-3040. Strongly advise to find proper regulations on the Nation as you can have a very bad day.
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gravelman is right over 65 ,, 15 dollars,, got mine the other day.
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gravelman how come you not out fishing? Got my drill back ready to use it ha ha
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Thank you gravelman
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Got the permit. $ 25 for minor ( 12-17). $ 10 if 50% disabled. Also have a 3 day $ 25. Walleye, Muskie, Bass, Crappie, Catfish all close March 8, Open May 1. Northern, Bass also 15 inches You will get new rules & regs. when you buy permit. READ THE RULES. You Can lose all your equipment or sit in a cell until somebody shows up with $500 bail. Depends on your offense.
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I may be wrong but I believe state regulations do apply to all non native americans when fishing on res
Incorrect (to a degree)
First off.... season dates (PAY ATTENTION!) Walleye pike crappie perch season dates are 1st of may till MARCH 8TH (changed this year) creel limit is 4 of 15" and only one person angler 21" and over(as stated above)
The biggest change besides the price hike is the season dates
Fished there last week... did pretty well... 4 outing yielded 21 legal eyes.. 2 over 21" a musky and a 6lb largemouth
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thx john
I work down there a bit every year doing road signs and guiderail usually stay a motel on 219 and fish a bit on rez don't usually keep anything cause no where to keep them I get my rez license but I guess wasn't clear on regs
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thx john
I work down there a bit every year doing road signs and guiderail usually stay a motel on 219 and fish a bit on rez don't usually keep anything cause no where to keep them I get my rez license but I guess wasn't clear on regs
No problem gotagetm... glad to help out and clarify.. I pretty much live on that lake... I love the reservation waters.. from the lake all the way up the river into allegany where it returns to NYS waters... the allegany River system is undeniably a phenomenal fishery.. anybody to say otherwise doesn't know how to fish! Lol
If you have any other questions reach out and I'll help you or anyone else that I can!!
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Fishinjohn Where are you from?
What area did you fish? Off shore or boat? I know everything will change by May 1st. I have a camp on West Perimeter Rd. I don't expect you to give up your favorite honey hole. Just looking for a little help. Been fishing that water since before the dam was built.
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Fishinjohn Where are you from?
What area did you fish? Off shore or boat? I know everything will change by May 1st. I have a camp on West Perimeter Rd. I don't expect you to give up your favorite honey hole. Just looking for a little help. Been fishing that water since before the dam was built.
I live about 30 min from the lake.. I just got a campsite on water this year over towards bone run. One day I fished off Bank and the other days I took my small River boat (big boat still put up). Fished from wing d**n up past highbanks.
The biggest advice I can give you for that lake is this... DO NOT get stuck on one spot! And do not DO NOT be afraid to try "out of the box tactics"
Every year is different down there last year I found a good school of fish all the way into June (from may 1st) in 25-30fow. I wasn't able to capitalize on a shallow bite last year (some guys did) but I was able to get my limit ALMOST every time out
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She's been on the rise for a while now and getting closer and closer to summer pool.. about another 10 ft and she'll be there. I'm guessing she'll be up there before April 1st.
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She's been on the rise for a while now and getting closer and closer to summer pool.. about another 10 ft and she'll be there. I'm guessing she'll be up there before April 1st.
I noticed that the week before last when I met a friend at the Horseshoe Inn for lunch.
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The more I think about the upcoming season, the more excited I get... I cannot wait to get on the boat and chase down the walters!!!!! I think it's gonna be another tough year this year but I predict there will be a better class of fish this year with less shorts caught
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33 days left (not that I'm counting!) :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
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Anyone see the picture or story of the big female walleye shocked in the Rez. I seen the pictures it is true the Nations' Walleye hatchery has her. They will strip the eggs and turn her loose again in the Rez. Oh how big was she just a half pound under NYS record 16.2 lbs. and 35" long. The hatchery is on the Red House road and is open to the public for all the non dis-believers to see the pictures and story. No April Fools joke! The real deal.
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Anyone see the picture or story of the big female walleye shocked in the Rez. I seen the pictures it is true the Nations' Walleye hatchery has her. They will strip the eggs and turn her loose again in the Rez. Oh how big was she just a half pound under NYS record 16.2 lbs. and 35" long. The hatchery is on the Red House road and is open to the public for all the non dis-believers to see the pictures and story. No April Fools joke! The real deal.
https://www.facebook.com/193315074020685/photos/a.313807541971437.84059.193315074020685/1482037328481780/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/193315074020685/photos/a.313807541971437.84059.193315074020685/1482037328481780/?type=3&theater)
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What happened ???
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What happened ???
read the article
I posted the link to it
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I released that fish......
18 YEARS AGO! ::)
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I released that fish......
18 YEARS AGO! ::)
:D
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I snagged the picture to post here, hope that is ok.
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/17632031_1482037328481780_4137804844617897771_o.jpg?oh=3424b0b9165d296884d675c7c59627b5&oe=595F6974)
Just WOW! Incredible fish and story.
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A New York State DEC biologist explained that the Ohio River system walleye have different DNA than Great Lakes walleye and they result in larger growth length. If you want a state record walleye fish there before the spawn when the fish are full of eggs to weigh more. Also Chautauqua Lake has Ohio strain walleyes. The last three record walleyes are from Kinzua in the winter and spring.
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That fish is also probably 20 years old
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A New York State DEC biologist explained that the Ohio River system walleye have different DNA than Great Lakes walleye and they result in larger growth length. If you want a state record walleye fish there before the spawn when the fish are full of eggs to weigh more. Also Chautauqua Lake has Ohio strain walleyes. The last three record walleyes are from Kinzua in the winter and spring.
???
NY Record = 16.9 lbs
Ohio State Record = 16.19 lbs
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The last three record walleyes are from Kinzua in the winter and spring.
I think this was true for both NY & PA Jim.
Maybe not last 3, but at one point Kinzua shared the state records for both states.
Of course it was 2 fish, one being caught in NY and the other in PA.
;)
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I think this was true for both NY & PA Jim.
Maybe not last 3, but at one point Kinzua shared the state records for both states.
Of course it was 2 fish, one being caught in NY and the other in PA.
;)
Mike holly from Bradford.. 17lbs 9 oz back in 1980
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Countdown begins....
14 days to go!!! :clapping:
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10 days... gotta go pick up boat tonight from the shop.. get things organized, new line on my bottom bouncer rods.. and I'M READY!
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Was in Onoville Sunday. Kinzua very high and stained. Hope it kooks better May 1.
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As long as we don't get any torrential downpours lasting hours, she should clear up some.. main lake should be decent for sure by then...
As of right now, may 1st isn't looking promising weather wise.. Calling for heavy thunderstorms with a 60% chance... hope the pattern changes between now and then!!!!
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3 days to go!! Now weather looks more favorable for the opener... I've got the boat 100% ready to go.. just have to pit new line on 2 of my ride this weekend and in off tongue lak.. rain or not
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Good luck John.
Wish I was going to be home for the opener on Erie (or Kinzua).
Don't get home from this cruise until Sunday the 7th.
The walleyes in Erie are safe until the following Saturday.
:D
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Good luck John.
Wish I was going to be home for the opener on Erie (or Kinzua).
Don't get home from this cruise until Sunday the 7th.
The walleyes in Erie are safe until the following Saturday.
:D
Thanks, I've gotta hit the water hard monday... scouting for a tourney sunday so I'll be hitting every spot I know
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Everything is 100% ready... time to give some fishies the steel meal
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Weather forecast looks to be really bad rest of the week.... should be stellar bite this a.m.
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Tough bite today... but I ended up with 2 legals, 10 shorts, 4 nice perch over 11" 8 white bass, and a 25" pike
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Tough bite today... but I ended up with 2 legals, 10 shorts, 4 nice perch over 11" 8 white bass, and a 25" pike
Sounds like a successful outing to me. Glad you made it off the water before the line of storms blew through. Can't wait to fish Kinzua. Last time I fished it the Rez license was under $20. Finally broke down and purchased one a few weeks ago. Thanks for the report and keep them coming...especially the water level and colarity. I'm sure today's storms won't help.
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Levels are showing staying the same.. but I'm sure she's gonna come up... river is raging and super chocolate.. Will have to look at lake later in the week but I'm guessing she'll be dirty down into the main lake
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Up 3 ft and rising
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If it continues to rain, Kinzua will be unfishable for a week. All the streams and backwashes were dumping brown water into it yesterday. Was out for turkeys, but planned to fish for walleye & bullheads. Got none. Got ten 9 inch browns on Bone Run. They were yummy. Good day for fishinjohn.
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Yea she's not looking good for the weekend at all... I think I'm gonna pass and skip tourney.. won't be many people fishing either
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Fishinjohn! Has the water calmed down yet? Wondering if you made it out again. I've been itching to get out there. Took last Saturday off of work but with the washout I never made it out.
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Haven't made it out again... the plan is to smack the water a couple days this weekend.. they've slowed the outgoing water a little bit, but scheduled to be back to summer pool in a couple days...
Bite is so so.. some guys getting them good, others not so good.
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2 legal fish 1 short and 1 white bass. Fished from 5-8.. water color is good, water levels are good.. just gotta get some more time in the water.... all day Monday is a go
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Wind was awful today... had one of the toughest days on the water I've had in a long long time (very humbling day) 1 short eye, 1 perch.. water temps 53°
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Finally made it out there this morning. Fished off the Highbanks area in 8-15 FOW. Landed 4 short walleye, 2 perch, and got into some nice crappie right before I had to pack it up. All were caught on orange jigs tipped with piece of night crawler. What a nice body of water Kinzua is. I'm hoping to get out at least a few times this year. So much to explore.
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Finally made it out there this morning. Fished off the Highbanks area in 8-15 FOW. Landed 4 short walleye, 2 perch, and got into some nice crappie right before I had to pack it up. All were caught on orange jigs tipped with piece of night crawler. What a nice body of water Kinzua is. I'm hoping to get out at least a few times this year. So much to explore.
It'll take you a lifetime to figure it out (fished it 35+ years and I'm still learning)
Weather pending I'll be down Saturday evening aft work to enjoy the first night of the year at the camp
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It'll take you a lifetime to figure it out (fished it 35+ years and I'm still learning)
Weather pending I'll be down Saturday evening aft work to enjoy the first night of the year at the camp
Yup.
Fished it the first time back in 77.
The raising and lowering every year moves things, including the fish.
But it's a beautiful world down there.
Even if not catching fish.
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Yup.
Fished it the first time back in 77.
The raising and lowering every year moves things, including the fish.
But it's a beautiful world down there.
Even if not catching fish.
Not too many bodies of water to fish that the opportunity to catch a MONSTER of ALMOST ANY species of fish that one might want to catch and to hear Turkey's gobbling and then to see bald eagles soaring and diving to catch fish all in the same day.. The zoo is undoubtedly a great lake to fish.. one day you can smack the eyes hard and 10 hours later get skunked.
But I love that place!!!!
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I started fishing there back in 77 as well. Limit catches of 10 walleyes were easy to get at that time just bottom bouncing with a worm harness. Lost a lot of tackle on logs and rocks. Caught my fish of a lifetime there in 78, a 21 lb northern. Almost 40 years later I still haven't got anything close to that monster. It is a beautiful place to be and fish.
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It is a beautiful place to be and fish.
X2
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I enjoyed reading the fishing reports on this post but they seemed to vanish what happened. Maybe the guys are tight lipped, or the fish are. I have not been able to get out this year due to a chronic illness that keeps me home. Good luck to all you guys fishing Kinzua lets get this post active.
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There aren't many other than myself that post on here (that's what it seems like) so I only post so much...
I have only hot the zoo a few times. Have not found a "stellar" bite.. it have found plenty of fish. Was at camp today, took kids boating, tubing, let them swim at camp while I mowed and cooked lunch.. tomorrow a.m. headed back down for some action!
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Thanks fishinjohn for the update. The waters will be getting busy with traffic as school is getting out this week. Seen a picture of a nice Walleye caught in the Olean Creek in Sunday's Times Herald paper. It was 29" long and weighted 7.5lbs. caught by a Olean High School junior. He released the fish which I thought was very good on a trophy fish like that. Good luck to you fishing.
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Ok.. I'll give a full report in today's outing just to keep some info going on this thread.... today wasn't a horrible day but it was definitely a day of grinding for a few fish.. I ended up boating 3 legal eyes (all over 16" and all under 19") and a 26" pike).. 1 short eye and 4 white (silver) bass.. each legal eye was in different depths, so no way to really say what depth the fish were at.. one was in 17 fow one was in 24fow and one was in 7 fow (that came at high hot sun 130pm) and pike was caught in 22fow.. all caught in different spots! Windy and hot but great to be out!
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Thanks for the report fishin. I would be happy with a day like that.
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Thanks for the report fishin. I would be happy with a day like that.
I used to be happy with a day like that.. my expectations are ALOT higher now... kinda frustrated to not be able to get a limit!
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Went out yesterday 4-8:30PM. It was pretty calm so I spent most of the time trolling harnesses and cranks. Very slow for me...just one short walleye and a half dozen white perch. Spent a good amount of time retying and straightening hooks. Lots of hangups down there.
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I heard today that the P.A. bite is really good
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I heard today that the P.A. bite is really good
Is that the norm for Kinzua? Just wondering if the majority of walleye move to the deeper PA waters in the summer. I've only fished it in the spring. Thanks,
Frank
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The PA bite definitely gets better in summer months as some of the fish migrate back to those waters after the spawn. The northern end hold good numbers all year long, but the southern end is definitely worth a visit once the waters warm up and fish move south
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The PA bite definitely gets better in summer months as some of the fish migrate back to those waters after the spawn. The northern end hold good numbers all year long, but the southern end is definitely worth a visit once the waters warm up and fish move south
Thanks for the info and your posts. I'll probably get the family down there a few times throughout the summer. I'll make sure to bring the gear. Good luck
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Trying to post pics.. not working well in my favor
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Was out on Wednesday night.. a little breezy but it was a nice chop... boated 8 short eyes, 2 legals, 6 JUMBO perch (all over 11" with 1 at 14") 6 or 8 small perch that got to live another day, and 4 or 5 white bass and a 20" pike...
Super good 4 hours on the water
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Thanks Fishing
Sounds like you did have a good night of catching. Those are some nice perch make a good meal. Not sure about the weather for this holiday weekend and if it makes the water muddy. Last Saturday going across the Seneca Junction bridge the water was up and chocolate. Good luck fishing.
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Thanks Fishing
Sounds like you did have a good night of catching. Those are some nice perch make a good meal. Not sure about the weather for this holiday weekend and if it makes the water muddy. Last Saturday going across the Seneca Junction bridge the water was up and chocolate. Good luck fishing.
She won't be too bad down in the main lake.. upper end like highbanks will probably get dirty..
I won't be around this weekend to worry about it... headed north to onieda!!!!
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:( Tuesday river was brown. Reservoir toxic green algae in bays and slow water. Did not fish. No swimming for man or dog. PA is the only option.