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MyFishFinder Tips and Techniques => Jigging => Topic started by: TroutFishingBear on Apr 09, 2004, 11:39 PM
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I find that these lures are excellent all around for walleyes, pike, bass, and even trout. The sad thing is it seems like I either snag it or get a nice fish every cast. Does anyone know a way to rig it so it won't snag as much?
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O.K. I'm gonna try!!!!!!!!!!
Hook just the head of the grub and slide it all the way up to head of jig. Now take the rest of the body and hold it next tho the hook so that the grub is pointing towards jig head. Stick the hook just under the outer skin of the grub. Just far enought so when the fish hits the hook has no problem sticking the fish. I Hope I made sense............. :-\ ;) 8)
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Don't let it hit the bottom.................................. ;D Sorry had to
It's just one of those inevitable parts of jig fishing. Buy cheap jigs so you're not out a small fortune when you loose one. One thing I have had luck with is fishing the same grubs on a carolina rig and using a lindy no snagg sinker or a slinkie for weight. Still hook it weedless like Liar said (though I'm not sure how much you can beleive of what he says) and see how you make out.
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I fish, there fore I lie....or is it.......I lie, there fore I fish............???? ::) ::) ;) 8)
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Curly tail grubs and skirted varieties as well as tube jigs are awesome fish getters. I will always do well with one of these when all else fails.
In fact, I am going to replenish my stocks today for the impending walleye run. What colors do guys prefer to use the most?
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Too many colors to list. My already large assortment of grubs and tubes grows every year. I use just about every color under to rainbow at one time or another. I think that dark naturals are hard to beat for starters. Motor oil, smoke, pumpkinseed, green pumpkin are some of my favorites. Chartruse is a must have for walleye as is white. My local Gander Mt. sells them by the piece, I will go down and pick up 4 or 5 each in a bunch of different colors and when I find one that produces well I will go back and stock up.
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I was thinking chartruese and maybe a bright yellow. Definitely white for muddy murky water this time of year.
What style jig heads do you use? I always by the plain round head jigs and I am too lazy to bother painting them. Do you really think a painted head makes much difference so long as you have the right color soft plastic on?
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Yes yellow is a good walleye producer. I find it to work especially well in the fall. I don't know why though?? ??? 99% of the time I fish plain unpainted jig heads. About the only time I use a painted head is if I want to add just a little color to my presentation (eg. chartruse head w/ a smoke or black body). Early spring when I am fishing live bait for eyes, many times I will use just a plain lead head and a large chub. No twister at all. This way you have less resistance to get down into those deep swift holes. The bare lead can't spook them too much or I wouldn't catch any. I use the plain round head style jig heads but try to find ones with a wide gap hook. I use tube jig head when fishing tubes but like the ones where the eye exits the front of the tube instead of the top and again wide gap. I am now experimenting with the short shank models form Northland tackle and like them so far but have not used them enough to for a conclusion.
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I was thinking chartruese and maybe a bright yellow. Definitely white for muddy murky water this time of year.
What style jig heads do you use? I always by the plain round head jigs and I am too lazy to bother painting them. Do you really think a painted head makes much difference so long as you have the right color soft plastic on?
The painted head thing is unimportant in my opinion. I think with the right tail and the right presentation it's not a big deal. Who the heck knows though? It might matter somedays. I buy heads that are usually painted anyway but this season I do definitely want to add some glow paint to the heads and use the purple tazer to see how that increases the nite bite. I think it will work really well cause I fish a lot of walleye in the evening and usually stay an hour after dark. I will report my findings when walleye season opens soon. May 1st baby, May 1st.
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Does anyone know a way to rig it so it won't snag as much?
Use a stand up jig. Also painted jig heads are a waste of paint.
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Those of you who don't think color matters for a jig head, would you say the same thing for wooden or plastic lures. Suchas rappelas' etc.
Just curious.......................... ;) 8)
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If you take some paint and make a small circle the size of a 1/8 or 1/4 jig head on the clear lip of the lure and fish it like a jig on the bottom, its a waste of paint.
Lure color does make a difference.
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Those of you who don't think color matters for a jig head, would you say the same thing for wooden or plastic lures. Suchas rappelas' etc.
Just curious.......................... ;) 8)
Not at all Liar. Color is a huge and I mean huge factor with baits. With jig heads and plastic though it's a little different. What I mean there is the main attracting part of the curly tail grub is the curly tail. It's motion in the water which attracts the fish. The color is real important on the grub itself. Last year I did actually trial different plastics on walleye during the fall bite. The res I fish has a large white perch population and the only plastics that would consistently produce were white tails. I tried yellow and black to keep it simple but white won hands down. The actual jighead though is only a small part of the package with soft plastics and is merely there for weighting and to hold the hook. Jighead color I believe is highly important though in the situation of nite fishing where having glow paint can be a huge advantage combined with the tazer. During the day though I believe the color of the plastic tail is most important not the jig head. I don't want to give the impression that color is unimportant I am more concerned with color than most but a jig the head is at most 10% of the entire bait. When you are talking rapalas and such or crankbaits or spoons color of the entire bait is important.
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Slipbob, thanks for your reply. I agree with you 90%. I feel that a jig head that is airbrushed w/ a floresent color and tipped off w/ eyes will make a differance, at least thats my experiance with crappies, gills and at times walleyes. Also, tie some maribou or tiny zonker strips both with a little flash to the jig.........and get ready!!!
Thanks again for your very informative reply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
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TFB, try using less weight, as little as possible but you can still get to the bottom. Keep your line tight all the time. Sometimes a Texas rig works well for the larger grubs too. Also, it depends on how you fish them. Across and down presentations can use more weight than upstream. The type of cover makes a difference too. Round heads are OK around rocks but snag city around wood. Texas rig works better around wood. There are even modified jigheads that do the same thing as a Texas rig. I'll try to get some product names, pics and links unless someone beats me to it.
I believe that jighead color makes a difference some times. One example, fishing ratsos through the ice at night. The glow jigheads work better than the ones that don't glow. Both work, just the glow works a little better. For open water, not much use for paint unless I want a bit more attraction, like a chartreuse or glow head, in times of muddy water or when fish don't react to drab natural colors well.
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Cider- besides the colors already listed, here are some for more clearer of water situations. I like white. I also like smoke color and purple
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I have some very good luck with the curly tailed grubs, seems that the smoke colored ones worked the best for me. Just not too sure what time of year I started using them.
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Curly tail grubs are one of the most deadly all around lures around. They work for bass, walleye, trout, pike, and all panfish. I like the 3 inchers for trout, bass, and walleye. White, pumpkin, browns, crawdad colors, purple, smoke, yellow, and chartreuse are the best colors. For pike and active largemouth, weedless rigging 5" mister twisters are hard to beat. I like 2 or 1 and a half inch for crappies and gills.
As far as reducing snags, in weeds rigging grubs with appropriate sized offset, extra wide gap hooks rules. I usually split shot or use a texas style sliding sinker. Always use the lightest weight you can get away with to reduce fall rate. 3" grubs call for #4 hooks, and #1 is perfect for 5 inch grubs.
In rocks and timber, lindy's no snagg timber rock jig shines. It will still snag occasionally, but is the only way to efficiently present twistertails in this snaggy mess. In my experience the snagg guard doesn't reduce hooksets at all, or maybe so little that I don't notice it. The less often your snagging and re - rigging, the more your down in the zone, fishing where the big ones lie.
This weekend, my dad mopped up the brookies using 3" mister twisters on 1/4 ounce heads. He caught as many or more than me, and I was using spinners, spoons, and worms.
Tyler
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I am a big fan of the curly tail grub and have used those since the early 80's. I just placed an order for some Lindy Techniglo thumpin grubs that I can't wait to use in the evenings and after dark for my fall walleye efforts. Just hit em with the tazer and Oh boy. Something for those eyes to clue in on. I have had pretty good luck now with glow baits for late evening walleye and I think these Techniglo grubs are gonna kick it up a notch for me. ;D They should be here in a week from Bass Pro. Cabela's didn't carry them. :'( I did score some glow fuzzy grubs at Gander Mountain and will try those out too but I like the curly tails a little better than the Fuzz e grubs. The Fuzz e's are great tipped with live bait.
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Here's the latest arrival in my aresenal of curly tails. I can't wait to spend some time with these babies after dark and see if I can "ignite the bite" LOL!! Seriously though these should help out on the walleyes after dark. Shoot em up with the tazer and I'm in business.
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These are the two color schemes I though would work best for walleye and I'll let you know.
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Those look Mmm Mmm good Slipbob! :o I have been "eyeing" up those myself. I picked up some Berkely power grubs in glow white last week and plan on giving them a try soon. I have already dyed some of them different colors to try along with the white.
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Those look Mmm Mmm good Slipbob! :o I have been "eyeing" up those myself. I picked up some Berkely power grubs in glow white last week and plan on giving them a try soon. I have already dyed some of them different colors to try along with the white.
I'm excited about them jw. We'll see if it's hype or the real thing. I didn't know about glow power grubs. The only thing I have had happen with the "power grub" is the collar seems to split easily after only a little usage. It's almost like the plastic isn't as durable as some other twister tails and it's only the power grubs that seem to break like that with a barbed jighead. Do you ever have that problem?
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Hey Eric.............Type in "fishing jigs" and check out some of the prices for bulk. You can get the real deal there !!!!!!!
;) 8) Liar
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Eric.......
You might want to try B.A'sBaits&Bassin'Shop.com
;) 8) Liar
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I'm excited about them jw. We'll see if it's hype or the real thing. I didn't know about glow power grubs. The only thing I have had happen with the "power grub" is the collar seems to split easily after only a little usage. It's almost like the plastic isn't as durable as some other twister tails and it's only the power grubs that seem to break like that with a barbed jighead. Do you ever have that problem?
SB, That is the first I had seen the glow power grubs myself. Found them at a Gander Mt. and bought all they had. ;D
I have had that problem in the past but now don't use jigheads with a barb on the shoulder and only my heaviest jigs have shoulders at all. All of my soft plastics hold up better that way. Also once the collar does split I just cut off the affected area and rehook, just like new again. ;D
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I tell you jw I really, really like the action of those power grubs. They look better to me in the water than some other twister tails. What I could do is just file off the barb on the jigheads or at least shave it down so it doesn't cause the collars to split on the power grubs. I don't have that problem with mister twister or gulp or any of the other competitor plastic companies but whatever it is about the plastic composition on the power grubs they split more easily. Taking the barb down or off would eliminate that. I'll try that next time.
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Yeah I think the powergrubs from Berkely have about the best action I've seen. I think it's better than Mister Twisters. I think I will have to try some of those new Lindy Techniglow curly tails. I'm looking for something to increase my nighttime walleye action. What other brands of grubs do you guys really like the action of? Anyone tried the basspro plastics?
Tyler
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Yeah I think the powergrubs from Berkely have about the best action I've seen. I think it's better than Mister Twisters. I think I will have to try some of those new Lindy Techniglow curly tails. I'm looking for something to increase my nighttime walleye action. What other brands of grubs do you guys really like the action of? Anyone tried the basspro plastics?
Tyler
I don't know but I have tried seemingly all the curly tails and nothing beats the action of the power grubs. They really look nice in the water and have a little fatter, shorter profile. I know it may seem trivial, but I just think they look better in the water than the other brands. I alos think the glow bodies are good too I just need some more time this fall to experiment with them and see if the results are better after dark than the non glow bodies. I can't imagine they wouldn't be better. ??? Anything to give the walleye a visual advantage after dark has got to be a plus. Dave Genz now uses glow baits almost exclusively, even during the daytime and I'm thinking the same.
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I'm still up in the air on this one and have yet to form a conclusion. Walleyes already have a visual advantage over most fish and prey species. I'm not sure if they need the added glow to pick up a bait in total darkness. I fished glow lures side by side with non glow through the ice last year for eyes and the non glow took the honors catching the majority of my fish. I didn't get to put in as much time on the eyes as I usually do and don't feel I've given glow baits a fair shot yet. I will be doing much more comparing this fall and winter, time will tell.
MD21, I also like the action of power grubs better than most. BPS Tender tubes and Grubs are a good alternative and I use them often in combination with Smelly Jelly.
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I find that when you use the glow jigs for walleye, you end up with bigger fish. Now this could be coincidence, but for two years straight, if the bite is off, glow seems to perk it up. And glow at dusk, bigger fish!
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Slipbob- so what are your initial thoughts on the Techni-glow Munchies? I see the bite is picking up in your area and was wondering if you have given them a shot yet.
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Slipbob- so what are your initial thoughts on the Techni-glow Munchies? I see the bite is picking up in your area and was wondering if you have given them a shot yet.
I have tried them a few times at the usual dusk bite and only caught a couple so before dark they are no better than the others. I still have yet to fish after dark this fall when I would think they might shine. Without some testing at night it's too early too tell but they sure do glow when charged. All of my fish have been taken in the evening just before dark. Once the days get a little shorter in a couple weeks I begin nightfishing and I have some new ideas to try as far as baits after dark. Some of which can't be revealed, as they are in the "top secret" testing phase. ;D
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Keep me posted on you results. I'm curious as to how these are going to pan out. I haven't been able to try them myself do to time constraints and lack of fishable conditions. Before work this morning I checked out the Susquehanna and it was still so muddy that I'd need a nuclear glow jig for the fish to see it in the daylight! ;D ::)
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I have these newer ones I got that are 4" long and they have a red plastic thing built into the tail that is fairly small, it is round. They call it an "eye grub" I got it from sportsmans warehouse for 99cents for 4 per pack. I got likke 4 packs, and they have beautiful action and I must say in 6 casts I caught 2 walleyes on em until I lost it, then I had no more jigheads. Stupid me :P
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In the colorado river for trout I used those same eye grubs from tubes and tails and had excellent results... in november too! The fish, browns especially but some rainbows, were really wackin' em! Boy was it a lot of fun! They really liked it when i fished them extremely erratically and quickly across the bottom, but I got some hits that when I cast it out in a hole and let it sink they would hit it when it was dropping.