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MFF US Northeast => New York => Topic started by: old wise one on May 31, 2013, 06:31 PM
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Just heard Cabelas coming to Cheektowaga across from the Gallarea Mall.
Man am I going to save on shipping.
Eat your heart out Buffalo.
o.w.o.
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But now we gotta pay tax right?
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Couldn't believe the news but here is a link I found. All I can say is it is about time.
http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/news/2013/05/31/cabelas-to-open-cheektowaga-store.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/news/2013/05/31/cabelas-to-open-cheektowaga-store.html)
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yes now you will pay tax for online orders. you think they would have found an area around albany so it was in the middle of the state, easier for everyone to get to
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Syracuse would of been a logical location, more fishin goes on in a 100 mile radius here then anywhere on the planet... but that 8% tax on orders will help the little guy locally now, I aint driving 3 hours to Buffalo. and ordering from them will drop now for me.... They had a poll on facebook, didn't know buffalo was even on the list. I got 230 bucks worth of points I better use up soon.
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Works for me! I'm in Buffalo all the time. Good for the economy too!
RG
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this is awesome news for the Buffalo area! After years of trying to get Bass Pro to the Buffalo waterfront, we get a better store, and keep the space on the waterfront.Yeah, we will have to pay tax now, but we can use the ship to store option, and having been to the Cabelas near Austin,TX, it truly is a destination store.Great,knowledgeable staff, usually have everything in stock, and knocks Gander and Dicks off the map as far as selection. The most important thing is, it gives me somewhere to go while the wife is shopping for 16 hours at the Galleria for a single shirt.Great score,Buffalo!!
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kinda explains bps relocating to utica also. very interesting move but logical as well. snagger is right though syracuse is the crossroads. kinda speaks to the political climate here in the cuse.
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Sorry guys, Oneida is not the epicenter of fishing ;D Rochester is just about exactly in between Bass Pro and the new Cabelas. I will be heading west from now on. Unfortunately, my bass and perch trips to Buffalo will become a lot more expensive ;)
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eastern lake Ontario, thousand islands to the north, all of the finger lakes to the southwest, salmon river/Oneida lake, I would say Syracuse is the epicenter of new York state, I 90 I 81 meet in the center of the state.
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I'm from the west but snag right Syracuse is epicenter. But I'll for sure take advantage.......if any
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Syracuse may be closer to the center of NYS, but the city obviously didn't meet Cabela's demographics or criteria. They were probably scared off by the white elephant at the south end of Onondaga Lake. You know the one....Congel's castle.
RG
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Maybe you all are just a little nys centered on location, my guess is the canadian draw is in the mix of picking the location. I am sure you'll see as many ontario plates as ny plates in parking lot just go to walden galleria mall to see proof. . Makes perfect sense syracuse population 145,000. Rochester pop 1.1 million buffalo pop 261,000 toronto 1.24 million now demographically where is bst place to open store within 100 miles of most people and all in between for top sales.
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they would like about a million people with in an hour drive , I'm sure the Can. was factored in , If i go to one it will be in PA.
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Well.......Rochester population as of 2011 was 210,000, Buffalo was 261,000 Syracuse 145,000. But your theory makes perfect sense.
RG
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Rg i just went off quick reference of areas and roch was listed with surrounding so thats the reason for high number. Also bass pro is looking at just over boarder in canada to locate a super store. Also heard cabela's owns huge chunk of land in chatauqua co so maybe a fenced hunt area in plan? I just hope they capitalize on Walleye with lake erie so close .
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Well.......Rochester population as of 2011 was 210,000, Buffalo was 261,000 Syracuse 145,000. But your theory makes perfect sense.
RG
this is there criteria
1. Site must be located in an area of our current expansion interest.
2. Prefer anchoring in growing retail developments of 400,000 sq ft. located with other major retailers.
3. Will lease or purchase; "pad ready" sites or big box shells, minimum 12 acres.
4. Require 80,000 to 125,000 sq feet, based on size of market, ceiling height of 21 feet with minimum parking ratio of 5:1.
5. Prefer Interstate frontage and require excellent access and visibility.
6. Require site to be within 20 miles of a metro area, Prefer 1 million people within a 30 mile radius.
7. 60 min. drive from another Cabela's Retail Store.
8. Prefer Minimum Traffic Counts of 40,000 cpd.
9. No Franchising or Bargain Outlet Stores.
10. Incentive Packages or tenant allowances are required.
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This is Buffalo we are talking about. I won't believe anything is "coming to Buffalo" until the day I walk through the doors. lol
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Syracuse may be closer to the center of NYS, but the city obviously didn't meet Cabela's demographics or criteria. They were probably scared off by the white elephant at the south end of Onondaga Lake. You know the one....Congel's castle.
RG
it has no windows so we call it Carousel Correctional
and before that it was known as the big empty
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Actually its cheektowaga not buff so it makes a big difference. Buffalo itself is wasted space more worried about saving death trap grain silos and instead of growth wants public space.
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Actually its cheektowaga not buff so it makes a big difference. Buffalo itself is wasted space more worried about saving death trap grain silos and instead of growth wants public space.
It's close enough. ;D
For the record, I always though Batavia would be a great location. Halfway between Buffalo and Rochester, and there is tons of commercial property available literally seconds off the Thruway. I guess we are supposed to get the new Dick's "Field and Stream" store by Christmas, but that remains to be seen also.
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Yeah i am against the tax breaks for dicks at least the extent they wanna give developers for a second time. I do know a few yrs ago batavia was rumored to be looked at by cabelas that came from an official of area. I think batavia could be great primary location for big outdoor store. I just don't see dicks really being a draw even for locals. Heck batavia area was looked at for a few big draw ideas but ball was dropped. I think the suits just don't understand the common man. Oh yeah covington is a beautiful area nice place to live. I am. 30 or so mi north in swamps .
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I agree with Baily's demographics but I have been told by people at Bass pro that they like their stores to be "destination" stores. A place where you would have to go a little out of your way to get there but a place that you planned your day around. I guess they feel you would spend more money that way. Galeria does draw a lot of Canadien visitors which probably helped the decision. What is this "Field and Stream" store about in Batavia. I would like to hear more about this. I know Dick's sells a lot of their hunting stuff.
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I'd rather they stay out so I can keep paying my 5 dollar shipping and keep Albany from getting anymore of my money .
Without doubt the canuck market played into the location choice .
But that areas a congested hole as it is .
Crappy location for sure .
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I agree with Baily's demographics but I have been told by people at Bass pro that they like their stores to be "destination" stores. A place where you would have to go a little out of your way to get there but a place that you planned your day around. I guess they feel you would spend more money that way. Galeria does draw a lot of Canadien visitors which probably helped the decision. What is this "Field and Stream" store about in Batavia. I would like to hear more about this. I know Dick's sells a lot of their hunting stuff.
http://thedailynewsonline.com/news/article_546666f8-981e-11e2-8e08-0019bb2963f4.html (http://thedailynewsonline.com/news/article_546666f8-981e-11e2-8e08-0019bb2963f4.html)
This article didn't say so I guess, but another I read said it was going be one of the new "Field and Stream" stores, which I think is just a bigger Dick's more suited to the outdoors.
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in 1991 i was the fishing manager of the dicks on union rd in cheektowaga. the store was the first dicks to do $1 million in fishing tackle. it will be a good location
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I forgot about Toronto to the north.... makes sense now....
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snagger when i was in cheektowaga we had to clean up the parking lot every weekend. the canadians would come down wearing their rattiest clothes. buy new clothes change in the lot and wear the new stuff back. that way they didn't have to pay duty. we routinely had to rig up new rods and reels for them so they could tell the border that they came to fish and the rods where already theirs.
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I don't know if that is funny or sad. There must be a market for used Canadian clothes - right ;D ;D ;D
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Now we'll have to pay tax on our orders. >:( That's why I no longer do business with BPS! All for a store I'll never visit... More business for the little guys!
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snagger when i was in cheektowaga we had to clean up the parking lot every weekend. the canadians would come down wearing their rattiest clothes. buy new clothes change in the lot and wear the new stuff back. that way they didn't have to pay duty. we routinely had to rig up new rods and reels for them so they could tell the border that they came to fish and the rods where already theirs.
I watched a bunch of them in the Galleria parking lot one day. They put on so many layers of clothes that thier passports better have said "Pillsbury Dough Boy". ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Canadians coming to the US and spending money is a good thing. If they choose to avoid paying Canadian taxes on their way back home that is their problem. Some of these comments mystify me.
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I live a 10-min drive from where this store is to be located. Can't freakin' wait. Just made a 2-hour drive to BPS in Auburn to do a return. Ate up a whole day. this is fantastic news and it's a great location for high traffic. Just hope they cater/tailor selection to the area and region.
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Canadians coming to the US and spending money is a good thing. If they choose to avoid paying Canadian taxes on their way back home that is their problem. Some of these comments mystify me.
I agree Frank. I wonder how many of these complainers have filled out that little box on their own tax returns. You know, the box you are supposed to use to pay taxes on Internet purchases.
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guys i am not complaining. to me it was more amusing than everything. and the canadian money is excellent
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the green is always good
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And canadian green ia better than ours by .03, wasnt that long ago our green .54 more than their dollar. I am sure cabelas will be a big draw to the area i know the one in PA is always busy. I really hope its placement location shows buffalo itself they dropped the ball with bass pro but you can maybe go watch the pretty light show on old grain solos because that'll bring lots of income to our area.
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Good for you guys that you're getting a Cabelas. We have one here in Pennsylvania and I go there two or three times a year. It's a hunter's and fisherman's paradise and fun for the entire family. My kids love the mounts and walk through aquarium. Good thing for me it's not closer, I'd be in the poor house.
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OK my turn....
This was the best news I've heard in my ENTIRE life concerning an outlet for us Fisherman and Hunters to gather and spend our hard earned money on the things we love most. This store will be approx. 3 miles away from my home. Is the location a super busy corridor? Yes it is, but not nearly as busy or congested as the other two BUSIEST commercial spots in our area. Those being #1 Niagara Falls Boulevard(Tonawanda / Amherst / Blvd. Mall area) and #2 Main/Transit area....With the addition of Cabelas the Walden Galleria business district will no doubt be the #1 busiest area. Will this keep me away from there? HECK NO!! Will it keep every other nearby sportsman away? Absolutely not!
As for the location, like many have pointed out the Canadian influence is what I'm sure had a huge impact on the decision....I have a business in the above mentioned Niagara falls Blvd. business district and BELIEVE me, if it weren't for our Canadian neighbors the retail business would not nearly be what is is right now! And right now it S@$*S bad enough as it is!
When it comes to where the "right" place to put this store is; well, in MY opinion I think it makes perfect sense to place it not only in one of the busiest areas of N.Y.State, but also nestled right in between Lake Erie and Lake Ontario along the mighty Niagara River. This will draw shoppers from most of the finger lakes region, including the central and eastern Ontario shorelines, the western southern tier and the central Erie shoreline, all of Ontario Canada and who knows how much further north, west and east in Canada...
As for paying the taxes, ship to store will always be an option for those who want to go that route, or for large ticket items....
This whole thing has me super stoked!! ....Watch now how long it takes Bass Pro to find an appropriate spot for one of their stores in the Buffalo area, then we'll have the best of both worlds! But my first choice is and has always been Cabelas! Their customer service is second to NONE! All they will have to figure out is how to groom the help they are going to have to find around here so that they are not the rude, uneducated, ignorant people they are!! That will be quite the task! I'm not saying EVERYBODY here in this area is that way, just unfortunately the majority...
Like someone said though, I wont actually believe it happens until I walk through the doors! This IS Buffalo after all, we can't even build a stupid bridge!
I absolutely can't wait!!! :w00t:
OK, that concludes my long winded .02 cents! ;D
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well stated IA
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I guess I see it as just plain good for the economy.
There's a lot of people who'll have work because of this. If the plans are similar to what they built in Dundee (I was there) there's hotels, restaurants, shops, gas stations and concierge services for local attractions. Most of that will be new businesses hiring new employees, construction workers, service companies, goods and material vendors........good for the economy!
And, next to LL Bean, the best customer service in the industry.
And....the gun library in Dundee was spectacular...so was the salmon stream running through the store...and the full elephant mounts. I remember a mount of several lions taking down a Kudu. Just to mention a few. I mean...a MOUNTAIN in the middle of the store :w00t: :w00t: An awesome place to visit.
RG
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I hope it's like that RG, but do you think the stated 100,000 square footprint they intend on utilizing is big enough for a store of that magnitude?
As for LL Bean I've never bought anything from them....I think they are a Little to ritzy for this simple man.
And yes, by ALL MEANS , GREAT for the local economy!
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I'm happy for you guys! We are getting a smaller Cabela's in Kalispell here in Montana and it is already doing a lot for the local economy and that is just in construction jobs. They are supposed to open the doors this fall.
The next closest one for me is the giant one up in Post Falls, it is 800,000sq ft and it really is a destination event to go there. My kids love what my youngest calls "dead animal mountain" where they have full mounts of everything from Polar Bears to Musk Ox to Grizzlies to African wildlife. The one in Kalispell will be much smaller but still very appreciated.
I think the targeting of Canadian dollars is not just limited to you guys. Kalispell has a huge amount of Canadians coming down to it to shop and given that the population of Kalispell itself is so small I would bet this was actually the main driver behind putting one there. Especially in the Whitefish area just north of Kalispell thousands of homes in the area are owned by Canadians who use them as summer cottages, hunting and fishing cabins as well as ski cabins in the winter when they come down to ski Whitefish.
It looks like somebody at Cabelas wised up and said "hey look at the size of the Canadian market and how well their economy is doing, we can take advantage of that and not have to pay to set up stores in another country by putting our stores right across the border on the US side". It is a win win for everybody involved except for the Government of Canada not getting any taxes off of most of what is purchased but I'll be honest if the average Joe Sportsman on either side of the border wins out and it brings money into the US, I'm not going to cry over the fact the Canadian government lost some tax revenue.
As far as the dumping off of clothes goes suggest to Cabela's and other retailers in the area that they do what we do and put a permanent Goodwill donation trailer at the back of the parking lot. Again it becomes a win win for everybody that way, including the areas poorer citizens who rely on Goodwill for their clothing.
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I'm happy for you guys! We are getting a smaller Cabela's in Kalispell here in Montana and it is already doing a lot for the local economy and that is just in construction jobs. They are supposed to open the doors this fall.
The next closest one for me is the giant one up in Post Falls, it is 800,000sq ft and it really is a destination event to go there. My kids love what my youngest calls "dead animal mountain" where they have full mounts of everything from Polar Bears to Musk Ox to Grizzlies to African wildlife. The one in Kalispell will be much smaller but still very appreciated.
I think the targeting of Canadian dollars is not just limited to you guys. Kalispell has a huge amount of Canadians coming down to it to shop and given that the population of Kalispell itself is so small I would bet this was actually the main driver behind putting one there. Especially in the Whitefish area just north of Kalispell thousands of homes in the area are owned by Canadians who use them as summer cottages, hunting and fishing cabins as well as ski cabins in the winter when they come down to ski Whitefish.
It looks like somebody at Cabelas wised up and said "hey look at the size of the Canadian market and how well their economy is doing, we can take advantage of that and not have to pay to set up stores in another country by putting our stores right across the border on the US side". It is a win win for everybody involved except for the Government of Canada not getting any taxes off of most of what is purchased but I'll be honest if the average Joe Sportsman on either side of the border wins out and it brings money into the US, I'm not going to cry over the fact the Canadian government lost some tax revenue.
As far as the dumping off of clothes goes suggest to Cabela's and other retailers in the area that they do what we do and put a permanent Goodwill donation trailer at the back of the parking lot. Again it becomes a win win for everybody that way, including the areas poorer citizens who rely on Goodwill for their clothing.
I like the way you think. This is definitely a win win situation.
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I like the way you think. This is definitely a win win situation.
Yep, what Frank said!
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I forgot about Toronto to the north.... makes sense now....
There is a hugh Bass Pro just Past Toronto.Now Bass Pro is building another hugh Store right across the Lewiston Bridge in Niagara On The Lake.This may be why Cabelas has decided to build an hour away.No matter what you build or where near the Border, The Canadians find it.Here in Niagara Falls you can't even shop in your own Stores on a weekend as the Canadians just trash the store aisles and the parking Lots and across the Bridge they go.
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I hope it's like that RG, but do you think the stated 100,000 square footprint they intend on utilizing is big enough for a store of that magnitude?
As for LL Bean I've never bought anything from them....I think they are a Little to ritzy for this simple man.
And yes, by ALL MEANS , GREAT for the local economy!
I don't know if it's big enough for the likes of the Dundee location. I can only hope so. As for LL Bean, I buy from them from time to time. I use their wading boots and breathable waders...bought some clothes for my Bride there...have a pair of their shoes and the most comfortable sheepskin slippers in the world (a gift from my Bride). I find the stuff I buy is reasonable in price, high in quality and their unconditional lifetime warranty is my kind of stuff ;D. I'm what you call "frugal" by nature. I'll wait to buy quality rather than settling for less.
RG
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I am not not sure how to word this where it's not taken wrong by some of you but, here goes. Now some of you are bashing Canadians as slobs trashing local US businesses parking lots and even stores. Well in all my trips to canada I've noticed it's pretty clean over there, road sides, stores, no plastic bags stuck in every other tree also even parking lots are clean. Sorry to say about the dirtiest thing I've found in canada was at the ballet but that's a different story and many would agree a very likable thing LOL. Especially 25 yrs ago when a trip across border for a drunken weekend was all the rage at 19 yrs old. I know many of you agree on that one. LOL.
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I am not not sure how to word this where it's not taken wrong by some of you but, here goes. Now some of you are bashing Canadians as slobs trashing local US businesses parking lots and even stores. Well in all my trips to canada I've noticed it's pretty clean over there, road sides, stores, no plastic bags stuck in every other tree also even parking lots are clean. Sorry to say about the dirtiest thing I've found in canada was at the ballet but that's a different story and many would agree a very likable thing LOL. Especially 25 yrs ago when a trip across border for a drunken weekend was all the rage at 19 yrs old. I know many of you agree on that one. LOL.
Even when our dollar was only worth 65 cents, there were better deals on fishing gear to be had in the States. With our dollar a little stronger the deals are even better. We may come. We spend money in your country. The last time I looked this was a good thing. I don't think we trash the place. You don't need any help in that department. If we buy up all the merchandise that should be an incentive for the store owner to increase inventory.
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Not all Canadians do it, when they buy clothes we find clothes littered in the parking lot and they look like a Eskimo with all the layers of clothes they have on. This is so they don't have to pay duty on the stuff. That is my complaint. Work a day on the weekend at any dicks ,gander mountain etc and you will know what i mean. RANT OVER. Bring on Cabelas the mystic will be over in a year and then it will be back to business as usual
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well put steelie. and as far as im concerned since i lived it. the only complaint i had is that they just dropped them in the lot. walk to a trash can. and believe me i've been known to walk the banks at oneida and clean up a garbage bag full of trash. its not a canadian thing. its a lazy person thing.
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well put steelie. and as far as im concerned since i lived it. the only complaint i had is that they just dropped them in the lot. walk to a trash can. and believe me i've been known to walk the banks at oneida and clean up a garbage bag full of trash. its not a canadian thing. its a lazy person thing.
lazy people are every where , just look at the free wheeling carts at the stores , with a cart holder just a few feet away
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not for nothing, but I haven't purchased but like 2 things from cabelas in 5 yrs, my navionics map chip and a pair of gore tex boots, they definely aren't the cheapest place online, unless your hunting the bargan bin.... I have a cabelas visa that I pay bills with, I have too use the points every couple years,... ;D
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Now NYS will get their 8% tax on all sales from Cabelas
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dicks batvia what a joke they deff never have good fishing gear just a place to spend gift cards
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plus why not bass pro make them open store east we deff all like bass pro. cant help take kids to auburn they always have fun, would have been nice in buff
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dicks batvia what a joke they deff never have good fishing gear just a place to spend gift cards
Better than anything else in Batavia right now. I see this past week they have been working on the front of that building.
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Now NYS will get their 8% tax on all sales from Cabelas
They will anyway, and so will Amazon, and all the rest of them if the Internet Sales Tax Law ever gets passed and signed by Obama. I hate to pay it, but it is only fair to all the brick and mortar stores out there. It would mean over $800 million in new sales taxes for NYS.
Can't wait for Cabelas, one of my favorite stores, along with Bass Pro, LL Bean, Gander MT (Watertown store). I even find a few things at Dicks once in while and will admit that their fishing selection have improved quite a bit in the last couple of years. I have dragged my wife and kids 100 miles out of the way several times to stop at a Cabelas store. I need 4-6 hours to go through one, they need 20 minutes!
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being from the oswego area i see canadian race fans take advantage of shopping it's a big boast for the area why anyone would complain makes no sence to me at all ....
cuse would have been a good spot except for gander and bass pro are already close ....
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now that its been announed i guess its ok to spill something i knew. they wanted to go on the land behind napa next to walmart in central square. however the dec nixed it because it is a wetland. that would have been interesting.
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not for nothing, but I haven't purchased but like 2 things from cabelas in 5 yrs, my navionics map chip and a pair of gore tex boots, they definely aren't the cheapest place online, unless your hunting the bargan bin.... I have a cabelas visa that I pay bills with, I have too use the points every couple years,... ;D
Snag, I don't really hunt for most things I buy on line, hmmmm, maybe I should if you say you find most things you need for less than them.
Now I don't by ANY means buy everything I need and use from Cabelas, But probably more than half of it.
I buy from Cabelas because they carry many of the things I use, the things I like and things I can't find ANYWHERE close by me....PLUS in my experience I get the best deals through them! Between all the coupons, sales, points and free shipping it's almost always a win-win for me.....
Wanna hear something interesting? After buying my new Tracker boat , I get 10 or 20 % off EVERYTHING Bass Pro sells for 2 years! Pretty cool huh? I thought so too! Guess what? I still end up ordering most of what I need from Cabelas because they have a better deal on whatever it is I need! PLUS I get it delivered to my door in about 2-3 days with standard shipping, Bass Pro,....6-10 days on average...
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http://wivb.com/2014/07/22/cabelas-gets-ready-to-go-fishing-for-customers-in-cheektowaga/ (http://wivb.com/2014/07/22/cabelas-gets-ready-to-go-fishing-for-customers-in-cheektowaga/)
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Another one in the Buffalo News -
http://www.buffalonews.com/business/expecting-crowds-at-cabelas-opening-in-cheektowaga-aug-7-20140722 (http://www.buffalonews.com/business/expecting-crowds-at-cabelas-opening-in-cheektowaga-aug-7-20140722)
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I went to Cabelas to find that they had just put out all there ice fishing stuff. I was pretty impressed they have 3 isles dedicated to ice fishing stuff. It was nice to get most any lure color you wanted, because they were all there. It cost me over a $100 to get out of there but I enjoyed it. Just hope I got the secret color. :o