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Title: NY Proposed changes
Post by: filetandrelease on Dec 22, 2021, 05:15 PM
 Walleye central posted this
 
7. NY: Proposed reg changes for bigger panfish.

Part of an experimental program (would run from 2022–2025) to grow bigger sunfish and crappies. The proposals include:

Reducing the sunfish statewide daily harvest limit from 50 to 25.
Increasing the crappie statewide minimum size limit from 9″ to 10″.
Implementing an 8″ minimum size limit and a daily harvest limit of 15 for sunfish in [these 11 lakes] chosen for their potential to grow larger sunfish

Increasing the crappie statewide minimum size limit from 9 to 10 inches.
Implementing an 8-inch minimum size limit and a daily harvest limit of 15 for sunfish in the following waters: Blydenburgh Lake (DEC Region 1), Lake Welch (Region 3), Canadarago Lake and Goodyear Lake (Region 4), Saratoga Lake (Region 5), Sixtown Pond and Red Lake (Region 6), Cazenovia Lake and Otisco Lake (Region 7), Honeoye Lake (Region 8), and Silver Lake (Region 9).
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 22, 2021, 05:47 PM
my my my  imagine  my  surprize that they are  expanding  this ..........one on my basic  questions  has always  been ....why  do  we  need  bigger sunfish????? why do we  need  bigger crappies???? most guys  just want to catch a  fish fry and  have  fun....you watch it won't stop   perch are  next
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: taxid on Dec 22, 2021, 06:10 PM
We don't even have bag limit on sunfish in my state of Indiana. When they are on the beds I've seen anglers take every last one of them. Very heavy pressure on bluegills in my state. Every time many of us say we'd like a bag limit regarding rule change proposal we are ignored.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Dec 22, 2021, 06:11 PM
I support the Increase in size of Crappie and I support the 8" minimum on blue gills and sun fish. I know when I'm out targeting them all over I don't keep the crappie unless they are 11" or bigger and I don't keep sunfish hardly ever but the place I like to fish for them 10 years ago I could catch a bucket full of huge 10-12" sunnies and gills now it's hard to catch anything but dinks if you catch 5 good fish that's a good day.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: filetandrelease on Dec 22, 2021, 11:01 PM

 From target walleye
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> "The most overplayed concept is
Over harvest of large fish is the fastest way to drive down population size structure. Look at bluegill. You can have a lake that has no bluegill over 6″, take a bunch out, put them in a pond with little to no competition, and the fish respond by getting bigger. Our FiN program does just that, then net them and stock the bigger fish for anglers. Bluegill can also get crowded and stunted, but the second they reach a size desirable to an angler, it is removed from the system.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: FrankM on Dec 23, 2021, 12:34 PM
I hope the new regulations produce the desired results. I love fishing for bluegills and crappie and I never take full limits ever. A dozen are all I care to clean in one session.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: taxid on Dec 23, 2021, 05:47 PM
From target walleye
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> "The most overplayed concept is
Over harvest of large fish is the fastest way to drive down population size structure. Look at bluegill. You can have a lake that has no bluegill over 6″, take a bunch out, put them in a pond with little to no competition, and the fish respond by getting bigger. Our FiN program does just that, then net them and stock the bigger fish for anglers. Bluegill can also get crowded and stunted, but the second they reach a size desirable to an angler, it is removed from the system.

I respectfully disagree with your statement that stunted bluegills will get bigger when replanted with no competition. I believe it's a myth. If you've observed that then those 6 inch fish were not truly stunted. I've seen research that backs me up. If those 6 inch fish are the biggest and oldest of the population of stunted fish, then it's not likely they will get much bigger as they are near the end of their lifespan. Furthermore bluegills slow down in growth once they reach sexual maturity. What probably happens -- which causes folks to come to your conclusion -- is the 6 inchers spawn, and in the new body of water with abundant food and low density, the offspring grow very rapidly and outgrow their parents. I've seen 8 inch bluegills in my own hatchery ponds in less than 3 years. Indoors I can grow them even faster with controlled temps. Typically, at least around here in our public lakes, an 8 inch bluegill is 6 to 8 years old.

But I do agree with you we our own worst enemy when it comes to growing larger fish, as we tend to remove the largest fish, whether they be the faster growers, or have some kind of genetic advantage over their cohorts -- as in longer life span etc.

I know it's hard to believe, but I have a book about a biological survey of a large a lake here in Indiana from 1900 that states that bluegill got to 14 inches back them. (Yeah it's hard for me to believe but it is in the book). Perhaps anglers have removed the genetics for those large fish by culling the largest fish in the population over the years?
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: kc on Dec 25, 2021, 03:52 PM
About 20 plus years ago, I would take a buddy and his small kids fishing at Lake Morraine. Back at that time it was nothing to catch a 100 perch in an hour. However they were dink perch (4 to 6 inches). The kids wanted to keep some to take home. My buddy cleaned some of them, but put the rest into his pond.
 In a couple of years, we were pulling 13 inch perch from his pond. It did not last as they apparently were not reproducing in his pond. But it shows that they will go to their surrounding if given a chance.

Actually, my wife asked me just the other day why I did not come home with a bucket of fish like I used to.
 I told her too many fishermen with all their fancy new gear.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: taxid on Dec 25, 2021, 05:21 PM
About 20 plus years ago, I would take a buddy and his small kids fishing at Lake Morraine. Back at that time it was nothing to catch a 100 perch in an hour. However they were dink perch (4 to 6 inches). The kids wanted to keep some to take home. My buddy cleaned some of them, but put the rest into his pond.
 In a couple of years, we were pulling 13 inch perch from his pond. It did not last as they apparently were not reproducing in his pond. But it shows that they will go to their surrounding if given a chance.

Actually, my wife asked me just the other day why I did not come home with a bucket of fish like I used to.
 I told her too many fishermen with all their fancy new gear.

Perhaps you were catching younger perch that were abundant and not stunted?

Hatching, feed training, and raising yellow perch in ponds and tanks I can tell you can they don't have a problem sucessfully spawning in ponds, especially if there is something they can drape their egg ribbons on like aquatic weeds or brush etc. Their downfall is the presence of a good largemouth bass population as long as there aren't too many places for the perch fry to hide. (Overabundance of aquatic vegetation).  Contrary to some publications out there, they aren't prone to stunting in ponds if there is a good predator base in the pond. In fact I have seen them control their own numbers if they are the only species in the pond in one of my ponds. That said, I was also feeding them an artificial diet.

A species that is much more likely to overpopulate a pond is the bluegill if not managed correctly. And you can do everything right and they can still overpopulate as they can spawn up to 4 X per year albeit the spring spawn is the main one.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 25, 2021, 05:26 PM
why fix something that is not broke????  people are catching fish  buying licenses and   taking home a dinner  kids are happy everything is  good ....why change it?  and  i  did complain about all the foolish trout regulations that you need to be a lawyer to understand   now what was supposed to be a experiment in a few lakes now  can become  state wide  for  sunfish???? and if you think it's  going to stop your   crazy  why  they will make a 11  inch min on perch   so we have  13 inchers  everywhere and a  15 fish limit......this  foolishness isn't going to stop

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - President Reagan    remember him?????
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: kc on Dec 25, 2021, 07:12 PM
Perhaps you were catching younger perch that were abundant and not stunted?

Hatching, feed training, and raising yellow perch in ponds and tanks I can tell you can they don't have a problem sucessfully spawning in ponds, especially if there is something they can drape their egg ribbons on like aquatic weeds or brush etc. Their downfall is the presence of a good largemouth bass population as long as there aren't too many places for the perch fry to hide. (Overabundance of aquatic vegetation).  Contrary to some publications out there, they aren't prone to stunting in ponds if there is a good predator base in the pond. In fact I have seen their control their own numbers if they are the only species in the pond in one of my ponds. That said I was also feeding them an artificial diet.

A species that is much more likely to overpopulate a pond is the bluegill if not managed correctly. And you can do everything right and they can stil overpopulate as they can spawn up to 4 X per year albeit the spring spawn is the main one.

That was the problem, too many largemouth bass.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Dec 25, 2021, 08:51 PM
why fix something that is not broke????  people are catching fish  buying licenses and   taking home a dinner  kids are happy everything is  good ....why change it?  and  i  did complain about all the foolish trout regulations that you need to be a lawyer to understand   now what was supposed to be a experiment in a few lakes now  can become  state wide  for  sunfish???? and if you think it's  going to stop your   crazy  why  they will make a 11  inch min on perch   so we have  13 inchers  everywhere and a  15 fish limit......this  foolishness isn't going to stop

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - President Reagan    remember him?????

I think your stretching it a little far. We have places in this state ther is no limit on perch so unless they are starting there I doubt your going got see a 15 perch limit or a length limit on them. In my 35 years I haven't seen the limit or a size limit change ever. So go take another hit of what ever great stuff your on and rethink what your talking about. I think your just looking to stir trouble like everywhere else you comment
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Dec 25, 2021, 08:59 PM
i mite eat more fish than a pack of otters but im being honest to what i have noticed.  so im not being bias in my statements because i like to harvest a boat load.

I agree with what you have posted. I fish a private pond that my family has been fishing for 70+ years and we harvest only 9+ inch gills out of it anything smaller goes back. We have managed to keep this pond the way it was when my Grandpa and Great uncle's where kids.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: filetandrelease on Dec 26, 2021, 05:55 AM
 Taxid that’s not my statement that came right out of (Target Walleye)
 In my 45+ years just ice fishing I have seen bodies of water fished out and others become stunted do to under harvesting but that’s just my observation
 State wide regs won’t work  IMO
 
 
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: 62 & Done on Dec 26, 2021, 06:25 PM
I like the concept and I wish it would work but it's just plain stupid.  Some waters will produce large fish because the genetics are there. Some waters are totally different You couldn't get a 10" gill if he lived 20 yrs   Now we're going to make it a state wide law to target 8" gills and 10" crappies which will only produce more violaters and more citations handed out by the ECO.  Most guys targeting pannies are only interested in a fish fry regardless of the length. Let it be. I rate this right up there with the belief that all bucks will be a 12 pointer if he is allowed to live 10 yrs
         One of the stupidest laws ever
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Bluegillonafly on Dec 27, 2021, 06:54 AM
Take the time to do some research into the results of Wis & Minn similar regs, which have been in place for many years now. Several articles in InFisherman online. Also, a couple good videos on YouTube. But no, you naysayers don’t have an open mind, it’s already made up. I’ve fished regularly for gills for 50 years now and have seen too many lakes ruined. Nothing but stunted fish now. Stunted because of underharvest? No, just the opposite, stunted because of too heavy a harvest of mature fish, esp parental males that guard the nest. Wis & Minn research proves it. But no, their biologists are all lying, they got into the business not because they love the sport, they’re doing it to make fishermen’s lifes miserable.
There is currently only one lake in the state with a restricted bluegill limit & it’s one of the best for large fish. Coincidence? I think not.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: filetandrelease on Dec 27, 2021, 08:13 AM

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There is currently only one lake in the state with a restricted bluegill limit & it’s one of the best for large fish. Coincidence? I think not
  Question , If it’s that good why aren’t the rest of the lakes managed the same way ?
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 27, 2021, 10:05 AM
all long island lakes and ponds are restricted to 15 bluegills  15 perch  and  15 crappies  their panfish  suck
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 27, 2021, 10:14 AM
https://www.dnr.state.mn.us/news/2021/03/02/new-sunfish-regulations-effect-nearly-100-waters (https://www.dnr.state.mn.us/news/2021/03/02/new-sunfish-regulations-effect-nearly-100-waters)

yeah a  5  fish limit on 100 lakes  in minn thats a good law  :cursing: :cookoo:


i fish  one of the  most fished  body  of  water in the state and that is  oswego  river  i  can always  go get  a  limit of 71/2 gills and  God  knows  i  been doing it for 60 years  nice  perch  fishing too  no special  regs and  guess what  market fisherman in fulton are thicker then ticks on a deer ......... you don't want to keep fish  don't keep  them

don't fix things that  ain't broke......i don't fish for  fun i fish to fry them
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 27, 2021, 11:50 AM
this is  from the sate of  mich. one of the states that are lowering  blugill limits  yet agree with  exactly what fred and i been saying

How old is a 10 inch bluegill in Michigan?
10 inch gill in MI is probaly 8 years or more old. If the lake is overrun with stunted gills, they have probably removed too many of the predators, and the gills are fighting each other for survival, much less being able to sustain any growth rate.Mar 5, 2007

How fast do Bluegills grow | Michigan Sportsman Forum

what the states  have  forgotten is  we  are  predators   it is  natural  for  people to  catch and  eat fish remove  us  less 
predators  more stunted  fish ........this isn't rocket  science
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: rgfixit on Dec 27, 2021, 03:07 PM
They might have learned a few things in the last 15 years.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 27, 2021, 03:40 PM
like  ...who is the  governor of  new york?????
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 27, 2021, 03:43 PM
did  you know  the  biological average  size of  a  bluegill is  only  7.5 inches?????  that hasn't  changed in  15 years

 
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: rgfixit on Dec 27, 2021, 04:01 PM
like  ...who is the  governor of  new york?????

I doubt that.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: rgfixit on Dec 27, 2021, 04:05 PM
did  you know  the  biological average  size of  a  bluegill is  only  7.5 inches?????  that hasn't  changed in  15 years

YIKES!!!
I never knew you were an ichthyologist. I’m impressed….really….impressed.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: filetandrelease on Dec 27, 2021, 04:37 PM
 
 Maybe he’s is an ancestor of mr  Artedi  😃
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 27, 2021, 04:59 PM
SIZE: Common length for bluegill is 19.1 cm (7.5 inches) with the maximum reported length being 41 cm (16 inches). RANGE: Bluegill range in North America extends from Canada to northern Mexico. HABITAT: Prime habitat for bluegill include weed beds, off deep points or in creek channels around sunken islands.

Bluegill - US Fish and Wildlife Service


and  not only  do i  know  how  to research and read  i know enough  not to  drive a  lawn tractor on a  flooded  golf  course and  get it stuck  ......... thats  called  common since   :rotflol: 
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Mac Attack on Dec 27, 2021, 05:05 PM


and  not only  do i  know  how  to research and read  i know enough  not to  drive a  lawn tractor on a  flooded  golf  course and  get it stuck  ......... thats  called  common since   :rotflol:



since when Trap?

 ;)
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Dec 27, 2021, 07:02 PM

since when Trap?

 ;)

Oh he's never had common sense. He lacks all kinds of things bus common sense is #1
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: rgfixit on Dec 27, 2021, 09:01 PM
That’s “since”  Sense has no particular place here.
Never seen a lawn tractor on a golf course.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 28, 2021, 05:26 AM
attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed is called pretentious. people that  feel a need to  correct other peoples  grammar have a obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder called Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome, or GPS..........

now   i have a  opinion and i disagree  with the states  idea of  making   trophy bluegills i  just want to go catch a  bucket  with my woman and  have dinner .... i disagree with the  states  stupid  trout  limits 2 fish  here 5 there 2  over 12  3 under  now according  to the  state i should  only take  8 inch  bluegill to ensure plenty of gaint fish  well then it stands to reason i should take 5 trout over 12  and release all smaller trout to insure a trophy trout fishery!!!!! ...it makes  no since and  the trout  hatchery is not going to run out of trout .....  the state won't stop this  foolishness next you'll see strict limits  and  sizes on perch i suggest  everyone  start  writing  to the  DEC  their  legislators and  the  governor..........
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: rgfixit on Dec 28, 2021, 05:48 AM
I’ve been called a lot of things in my 72 years  but never a  pretentious obsessive-compulsive oppositional defiant with Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome.

Now I have an opinion. I don’t really care what limits they put on fish. I’m sure I’ll still be able to take enough for a meal or two….if I want to.


Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 28, 2021, 06:01 AM
now who be callin  any names????  heck i don't even  know what all them there  big words  even mean .......i put them up  just so  you'd think i was  smart too

Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Flukeman on Dec 28, 2021, 06:11 AM
Trap is absolutely right about one thing, you had better make your voice heard. Basil Seggos and his pals have decided to either ignore or circumvent the counsels/committees we as sportsmen have in place to represent us. When this happens we must stand up for ourselves to be heard. Here is another proposed regulation coming down the pipeline. On May 1st on Black Lake the walleye are still spawning at the Rossi Dam, it will be a slaughter.  It may not effect Oneida Lake walleye people, but it will definitely effect folks from Black Lake and other northern lakes. Sometimes we need to stand up together for the betterment of our past time, even when it does not effect us or our local lake. These bureaucrats jam through what ever they want if you don't stand up and be heard.

DEC Proposes Changes to Freshwater Fishing Regulations to Help Make Angling More Accessible and Enjoyable
Proposals to Simplify Existing Regulations
Public Input Sought through Feb. 6, 2022

Providing consistency in opening and closing fishing season dates for sportfish. DEC currently uses a mixed approach for season dates. Some seasons begin on a specific date, while others start on a designated Saturday. Based on results of an angler poll conducted earlier this year, DEC is proposing that all sportfish seasons begin and end on specific dates. Notable changes to statewide opening dates are:


The full text and a summary of the proposed regulatory changes are available on DEC's website. DEC is interested in anglers' viewpoints and encourages public feedback on these proposals. Comments should be submitted via e-mail to [email protected]  with the subject line "Fishing Regulations Proposal Comments" or via mail to the Inland Fisheries Section, NYSDEC, 625 Broadway, Albany, NY 12233-4753. Comments will be accepted through Feb. 6, 2022.[/list]
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 28, 2021, 06:25 AM
flukeman  you said it  very well thank you ..... that is  exactly how i feel
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Mac Attack on Dec 28, 2021, 07:56 AM
.................. heck i don't even  know what all them there  big words  even mean .......i put them up  just so  you'd think i was  smart too


 :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:


Every move a picture Trap!   :thumbup_smilie:


Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: mcully on Dec 28, 2021, 09:57 AM
Just another way to keep “undesirables” off certain bodies of water that the waterfront owners feel they and only they should have access to.
Brings into question how the DEC will enforce an area with multiple lakes of different limits. I know guys that hit several in a day. Old way was cumulative 50 gills. Now do you tag your Caz fish or go home before going anywhere else?
Why confuse something to death.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: 62 & Done on Dec 28, 2021, 11:06 AM
Just another way to keep “undesirables” off certain bodies of water that the waterfront owners feel they and only they should have access to.
Brings into question how the DEC will enforce an area with multiple lakes of different limits. I know guys that hit several in a day. Old way was cumulative 50 gills. Now do you tag your Caz fish or go home before going anywhere else?
Why confuse something to death.
 
   Food for thought... A couple years back I fished an Adirondack pond and left early with about 10 gills in the bucket. Mind you there was a 50 fish limit there.  On my way home I stopped at Saratoga. I left the 10 in the truck.  I came off with my 15 fish limit for "that lake" and ran into an ECO.  I had quite a time convincing him of what I had done and if I didn't have a receipt for gas which I had bought in Glens Falls I know I would have gotten a ticket as he was not taking no for an answer.  All these different rules for different waters are only causing confusion.  If I was a judge I'd throw out every ticket with regard to these stupid rules .
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 28, 2021, 01:30 PM
to be  honest  fishogger  the guys i  fish with are  pretty honest  guys  in face  sportsmen are  honest  folks, the problem is the  state  all of a sudden wants to change simple rules  that have  worked  for many  years to try to stretch a  pan fish a  inch .... i  don't want to have to measure  a  sunfish if he's a keeper i'll toss  him in the  bucket if  not let him go . this is  just stupid
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: 62 & Done on Dec 29, 2021, 10:33 AM
to be  honest  fishogger  the guys i  fish with are  pretty honest  guys  in face  sportsmen are  honest  folks, the problem is the  state  all of a sudden wants to change simple rules  that have  worked  for many  years to try to stretch a  pan fish a  inch .... i  don't want to have to measure  a  sunfish if he's a keeper i'll toss  him in the  bucket if  not let him go . this is  just stupid
      Ditto Trapper  I couldn't have said it any better      If it aint broke leave it be
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: taxid on Dec 29, 2021, 03:28 PM
The really important question is: Why are we all still here and not over at Ice Shanty?   Probably no ice!
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Raquettedacker on Dec 29, 2021, 03:42 PM
The really important question is: Why are we all still here and not over at Ice Shanty?   Probably no ice!
Oh there’s ice up here in NY..
Did you forget what state your posting in…  ;D
And Trapp has been busy over there… :whistling: :whistling:
 
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 29, 2021, 03:57 PM
i been  fishing and hunting  just about everyday i'm not going to  drive  2 hours for  ice when i can drive a  mile and  be catching perch......i don't care if i cast or i drill
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: fishinjohn on Dec 29, 2021, 09:06 PM
Since this thread is entitled "proposed changes"
I'm gonna change the subject JUST A SMIDGE.. 
Now NY is proposing in 2022 that all outdoor wood boilers be banned... Also part of the bill is designed to eliminate gas atv availability in NYS
***W......T.....F..**** is wrong with this state?!?!!?!!??!??!?!
You mean to tell me that gas atv usage in NY creates more carbon emissions than  NYC cabs?
Give me a freaking break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://wyrk.com/heating-with-firewood-in-new-york/
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Rugburn on Dec 30, 2021, 10:00 AM
I remember when they banned our burn barrels, then they light the Gulf of Mexico on fire to burn off the spewing oil.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 30, 2021, 10:41 AM
amazing isn't it........i suggest  everyone   google and  read Bonhoeffer's theory of stupidity..........  the  insight   in the way people act is  amazing.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: taxid on Dec 30, 2021, 01:52 PM
Since this thread is entitled "proposed changes"
I'm gonna change the subject JUST A SMIDGE.. 
Now NY is proposing in 2022 that all outdoor wood boilers be banned... Also part of the bill is designed to eliminate gas atv availability in NYS
***W......T.....F..**** is wrong with this state?!?!!?!!??!??!?!
You mean to tell me that gas atv usage in NY creates more carbon emissions than  NYC cabs?
Give me a freaking break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://wyrk.com/heating-with-firewood-in-new-york/

I have no dog in the fight or opinion both ways but I know lawnmowers produce 11 X the amount of air pollution of new cars. So perhaps ATVs are similar?

And I guess NYC cabs are going electric?

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2021/04/29/yellow-taxis-looking-to-go-green-turn-to-tesla-s-electric-vehicles

Don't kill the messenger!  :unsure:
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 30, 2021, 02:51 PM
Since this thread is entitled "proposed changes"
I'm gonna change the subject JUST A SMIDGE.. 
Now NY is proposing in 2022 that all outdoor wood boilers be banned... Also part of the bill is designed to eliminate gas atv availability in NYS
***W......T.....F..**** is wrong with this state?!?!!?!!??!??!?!
You mean to tell me that gas atv usage in NY creates more carbon emissions than  NYC cabs?
Give me a freaking break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://wyrk.com/heating-with-firewood-in-new-york/



john i went to  research this and  this  is what i  found 


Do ATVs pollute more than cars?
On an individual basis, these vehicles can have very high emission rates. This is illustrated in the figure below, which shows that a two-stroke ATV or motorcycle can emit as much pollution in one hour as over 30 automobiles operating for one hour.


apparently  no one  told  then  there  hasn't  been a  2  cycle  atv  nor  motorcycle  made in awhile as  far as  emmisions  ATV's  and  motorcycles are  all fuel injected  and  computorized  just like  autos ......

All new ATVs must meet emission standards over their full useful life. For ATVs with engines that have total displacement of 100 cc or greater


Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: reeleyz on Dec 30, 2021, 06:26 PM
Trap is absolutely right about one thing, you had better make your voice heard. Basil Seggos and his pals have decided to either ignore or circumvent the counsels/committees we as sportsmen have in place to represent us. When this happens we must stand up for ourselves to be heard. Here is another proposed regulation coming down the pipeline. On May 1st on Black Lake the walleye are still spawning at the Rossi Dam, it will be a slaughter.  It may not effect Oneida Lake walleye people, but it will definitely effect folks from Black Lake and other northern lakes. Sometimes we need to stand up together for the betterment of our past time, even when it does not effect us or our local lake. These bureaucrats jam through what ever they want if you don't stand up and be heard.

DEC Proposes Changes to Freshwater Fishing Regulations to Help Make Angling More Accessible and Enjoyable
Proposals to Simplify Existing Regulations
Public Input Sought through Feb. 6, 2022

Providing consistency in opening and closing fishing season dates for sportfish. DEC currently uses a mixed approach for season dates. Some seasons begin on a specific date, while others start on a designated Saturday. Based on results of an angler poll conducted earlier this year, DEC is proposing that all sportfish seasons begin and end on specific dates. Notable changes to statewide opening dates are:

  • May 1 for walleye, northern pike, pickerel, and tiger muskellunge

The full text and a summary of the proposed regulatory changes are available on DEC's website. DEC is interested in anglers' viewpoints and encourages public feedback on these proposals. Comments should be submitted via e-mail to [email protected]  with the subject line "Fishing Regulations Proposal Comments" or via mail to the Inland Fisheries Section, NYSDEC, 625 Broadway, Albany, NY 12233-4753. Comments will be accepted through Feb. 6, 2022.[/list]

https://www.dec.ny.gov/press/124339.html (https://www.dec.ny.gov/press/124339.html)

Here is the link. It sounds like they are trying to make yearly rule book editing easier by keeping the dates the same every year.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Mac Attack on Dec 31, 2021, 12:14 PM
In the BN today -


The new fishing regulations proposals that would take place in 2022 are up for public comment by Feb. 6. To see a list of all the changes, check out dec.ny.gov/outdoor/124258.html (http://dec.ny.gov/outdoor/124258.html). Comments should be submitted via email to [email protected]with the subject line "Fishing Regulations Proposal Comments" or via mail to the Inland Fisheries Section, NYSDEC, 625 Broadway, Albany, NY 12233-4753.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: filetandrelease on Jan 01, 2022, 05:19 AM
 
 Thanks guys for posting proposed  rule changes
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Mac Attack on Jan 02, 2022, 10:44 AM
Wow! There are counties that prohibit ice fishing? Crazy! Lol


Should be the norm for the entire state.

 :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: KingPerch on Jan 02, 2022, 04:57 PM
Quit talking dirty, Mac!!!😁
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: taxid on Jan 02, 2022, 05:04 PM

Should be the norm for the entire state.

 :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:

 :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: taxid on Jan 02, 2022, 05:05 PM
Quit talking dirty, Mac!!!😁

Mac hates the cold. He does't care!  ;D
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Mac Attack on Jan 02, 2022, 05:53 PM
 8)
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Jan 03, 2022, 08:48 AM
you do realize new  york is   apart of the  north east  don't you?
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: fishinjohn on Jan 03, 2022, 09:52 AM

Should be the norm for the entire state.

 :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
MAC... THATLL BE ENOUGH JIBBERISH
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Jan 03, 2022, 11:24 AM
john the man is  sick he's obviously delusional
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: fishinjohn on Jan 03, 2022, 11:30 AM
john the man is  sick he's obviously delusional
There is absolutely NO ARGUMENT  from me on that assessment trapp!!!!!!! ::)
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: rgfixit on Jan 03, 2022, 02:10 PM
Mac is a relentless ball buster. It’s probably his most endearing quality.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Mac Attack on Jan 03, 2022, 03:35 PM
 :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:


ok...........carry on.   8)
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: rgfixit on Jan 03, 2022, 04:06 PM
Might be his only endearing quality.

But that’s ok. At least he’s honest……..at the very least.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: fishinjohn on Jan 03, 2022, 05:02 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/LJb18PmJ/98183.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJb18PmJ)

ITS STARTING TO HAPPEN MAC
 :unsure:
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: gotagetm on Jan 03, 2022, 05:13 PM
Sure is pretty john!!!! 👍👍👍🤞🤞
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: KingPerch on Jan 03, 2022, 06:47 PM
That is a great sight to see!!! 👍🏻
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: fishinjohn on Jan 03, 2022, 07:59 PM
I think I can hear mac sniffling and pouting... hehehhehehheheh

With ANY LUCK we will get on the ice soon
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Mac Attack on Jan 03, 2022, 08:08 PM
I think I can hear mac sniffling and pouting... hehehhehehheheh

With ANY LUCK we will get on the ice soon

I’m sniffling alright
Also sucking phlegm

d**n covid sux canal water.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: fishinjohn on Jan 04, 2022, 04:57 AM
I’m sniffling alright
Also sucking phlegm

d**n covid sux canal water.
Sorry to hear mac!!!!!!!
Get yourself better
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: FrankM on Jan 04, 2022, 07:20 AM
After following all the directives, getting vaccinated and wearing masks, my wife and I both contracted the Chinavirus.. The first night I felt like someone worked me over with a 2X4. The next 2 nights I had the worst sore throat i ever had in my life. Quite a bit of sniffling and coughing throughout but no fever ever. My wife's symptoms were slightly different. Sniffling and coughing, stomach upset & toothache for her. I'm almost 65, she's 69. I personally don't think the vaccines or masks helped at all (they helped Pfizer get rich). I am ready to go back to work tomorrow but have to wear a mask nonstop for the next 5 days. I will comply but it is only to provide others with a false sense of security.  The masks and vaccines did not protect me. However now I have an immune system that is fully armed against all 4 proteins in the Chinavirus instead of just the one spike protein that the Pfizer snake oil allegedly armed my immune system against. This stuff is spreading like wildfire right now but hopefully the end result will be herd immunity. Then we can dispense with the herd gullibility.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: taxid on Jan 04, 2022, 08:58 AM
After following all the directives, getting vaccinated and wearing masks, my wife and I both contracted the Chinavirus.. The first night I felt like someone worked me over with a 2X4. The next 2 nights I had the worst sore throat i ever had in my life. Quite a bit of sniffling and coughing throughout but no fever ever. My wife's symptoms were slightly different. Sniffling and coughing, stomach upset & toothache for her. I'm almost 65, she's 69. I personally don't think the vaccines or masks helped at all (they helped Pfizer get rich). I am ready to go back to work tomorrow but have to wear a mask nonstop for the next 5 days. I will comply but it is only to provide others with a false sense of security.  The masks and vaccines did not protect me. However now I have an immune system that is fully armed against all 4 proteins in the Chinavirus instead of just the one spike protein that the Pfizer snake oil allegedly armed my immune system against. This stuff is spreading like wildfire right now but hopefully the end result will be herd immunity. Then we can dispense with the herd gullibility.

Frank you can disagree, but from the medical literature I have read, you might have been dead now without the vaccine. No vaccine is 100 percent, but apparently this one is keeping a good majority of people out of the ICU. Over 90 percent of those presently in ICU's were NOT vaccinated.

At least for the sake of the hospital ICU staffs that are stressed to the breaking point you didn't make it there. And I'm glad for you that you didn't.

With the possible long term effects of Covid (fatigue, brain fog, organ damage) I think I'll stick with the vaccine.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: FrankM on Jan 04, 2022, 09:21 AM
All depends on where you obtain your information. With several days of nothing to do and all day to do it I have had plenty of time to study. You are the last person I would turn to for advice.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: KingPerch on Jan 04, 2022, 11:02 AM
Why is it that everything, including fishing talk, have to resort to Covid talk???? 🤯🤯

RG, I’m ready to jump off that bridge You’re trying to sell!!!! OYE!!!!🥴
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: fishinjohn on Jan 04, 2022, 12:19 PM
Why is it that everything, including fishing talk, have to resort to Covid talk???? 🤯🤯

RG, I’m ready to jump off that bridge You’re trying to sell!!!! OYE!!!!🥴
Its ALL MACS FAULT... hehehehhehehhehehhe
Nice job mac!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: fishinjohn on Jan 04, 2022, 12:21 PM
Back to proposed changes... for myself.... I am actually looking forward to the may 1st date for walleye!!! I dont keep them in smaller lakes I fish early season..  I just love the opportunity to legally target them...
Just my .02
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: filetandrelease on Jan 04, 2022, 12:48 PM
Its ALL MACS FAULT... hehehehhehehhehehhe
Nice job mac!!!!!!!!!
Yep and all this time we thought trapp was the instigator 😜
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Jan 04, 2022, 12:52 PM
it's  always  been  mac!!!!  he's the ring leader
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Jan 04, 2022, 12:55 PM
this  explains  everything and  why we have the issues  we are having now days ....on both political sides

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww47bR86wSc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww47bR86wSc)

i dare  everyone  to watch  this


and if i recall frank  when i had  covid  in march of 2020  you were anti vaccine  anti mask then
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: rgfixit on Jan 04, 2022, 12:55 PM
Why is it that everything, including fishing talk, have to resort to Covid talk???? 🤯🤯

RG, I’m ready to jump off that bridge You’re trying to sell!!!! OYE!!!!🥴

It’s a short bridge and not very high, but you’d probably land on a fish or two.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: KingPerch on Jan 04, 2022, 12:58 PM
It’s a short bridge and not very high, but you’d probably land on a fish or two.
As long as they’re perch.. life is good!!😁
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: rgfixit on Jan 04, 2022, 01:12 PM
Probably just weed trout and pannies. And you’re right….OYE!
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: rgfixit on Jan 04, 2022, 04:44 PM
Do over!
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: rgfixit on Jan 04, 2022, 04:58 PM
Here’s a change for you….just got this email

 


Dear Boaters,

Carbon monoxide from boat engines can build up in an enclosed or semi-enclosed spaces and create poisoning hazards resulting in death.

If your boat has an enclosed compartment, the State of New York strongly encourages you to install a carbon monoxide detector.

This message was sent by the New York State DMV
6 Empire State Plaza | Albany, NY 12228


I own a 14’ tri hull with a 30 hp outboard.


Got a good chuckle anyway. And…in the first week of January…….
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Deadeyez on Jan 04, 2022, 06:02 PM
Do over!
Gotta love censorship.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: filetandrelease on Jan 04, 2022, 10:59 PM

 I got the same message lol
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: trapper2000 on Jan 05, 2022, 04:07 AM
i got a 1963 sea craft row boat with a 3 1/2 mercury ....where do i mount the carbon monoxide detector ????

to be honest i have experirenced a feeling of relaxation and  i have become   tired in the boat ,from what i have read these are classic symptoms ,i am so glad the state cared so much for me that state employees  wasted time and resources that tax payers and licensed outdoorsmen paid for to warn me of this danger .........
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: jperch on Jan 05, 2022, 07:13 AM
The timing is certainly weird.  And clearly this does not apply to those of us with small fishing boats that have no cabin.  But I think I remember that last year a couple died of CO poisoning (A LE officer and his girlfriend, maybe) when they were tied up somewhere on Oneida Lake.  I'm not sure what the source of the CO was, maybe they were running a small generator.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: reeleyz on Jan 05, 2022, 07:28 AM
I got the same email. Maybe they can send an email about ice safety in July.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: filetandrelease on Jan 05, 2022, 07:40 AM
I got the same email. Maybe they can send an email about ice safety in July.
LOL
 If I read some of the changes correctly I’m in favor of some that I’m interested in
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Flukeman on Jan 05, 2022, 09:01 AM
I'm glad they sent that email to all registered boat owners. Its not really for people like us who grew up with boats. Its for all the people I see on Oneida who have no business being in a boat.

To make things worse you can't count on common sense anymore either.

A year or two ago I seem to remember two people died from carbon monoxide leaving their inboard running while going to sleep for the night.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Old Timer on Jan 05, 2022, 11:44 AM
Seems I remember that incident. The boat was docked in the canal and they had a propane heater…. 

If you think there are crazy boaters now just wait until the renters at “The Cove”. Get out in the canal on the pontoon boats..  That area will be a great place to get some funny videos.     
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Raquettedacker on Jan 05, 2022, 11:49 AM
  https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/news/2020/09/22/fatal-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-at-sylvan-beach  (https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/news/2020/09/22/fatal-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-at-sylvan-beach)
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: filetandrelease on Jan 05, 2022, 01:31 PM
 I remember that goes along with our reminds we got about our boats from the state , that accident happened last year 🙄
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: taxid on Jan 05, 2022, 06:57 PM
I got the same email. Maybe they can send an email about ice safety in July.

 :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: Mac Attack on Jan 21, 2022, 01:40 PM
I got the below email today -


In late December, DEC issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to simplify the State’s fishing regulations. The proposal presented will also significantly reduce the number of special regulations found in the annual Fishing Regulations Guide. The changes are being proposed to make fishing easier and to break down potential barriers for newcomers to the sport, while still ensuring that our fisheries resources are managed in a sustainable manner.

Highlights of these changes include:

Changing the statewide regulation for rainbow trout and brown trout in ponds to allow for year-round fishing.
Aligning harvest limits for rainbow trout, brown trout and brook trout across streams and ponds at five fish per day no minimum size, only two of which can be over 12”.
Changing the statewide regulations for Atlantic Salmon and lake trout to allow for year-round fishing.
Normalizing season dates so all openers for sportfish begin on a hard date.
Allow ice fishing statewide unless specifically prohibited in all but 9 Adirondack counties, where the existing regulation prohibiting ice fishing in waters inhabited by trout will remain.
These changes are being proposed to help you, the angler, and we are eager to receive your opinion and comments on these regulation changes before the official comment period closes on February 6. We encourage you to find out more about the proposed changes by clicking on the following link, Fisheries Regulation Changes Information Packet. To read the official text as it would be presented in the New York Code of Rules & Regulations visit DEC's website. 

Submit comments on the proposal via e-mail to [email protected] or via mail to the Inland Fisheries Section, NYSDEC, 625 Broadway, Albany, NY 12233-4753; subject line "Fishing Regulations Proposal Comments." Comments will be accepted through February 6, 2022.
Title: Re: NY Proposed changes
Post by: rgfixit on Jan 21, 2022, 03:14 PM
My eyes hurt reading that….not to mention my brain.