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Title: something new to consider...
Post by: Fishermantim on May 12, 2020, 05:12 PM
With the COVID19 threat lingering around like a bad penny, and the recurring tick nuisance, here's something that has been nagging me recently (as the weather warms)

Can the COVID19 virus be transmitted by insect bites from blood sucking insects?

I'm thinking tick, mosquitos and even fleas.

I have visions of a resurgence of infected individuals where there are no connections to infected individuals.
If it turns out to be possible, we will definitely be screwed.

Imagine not being able to go outside at all?
Or if you do, wearing more protective clothing than a guy cleaning nuclear reactor coolant tanks.

I'm just keeping my fingers crossed and praying.
Title: Re: something new to consider...
Post by: lowaccord66 on May 12, 2020, 07:09 PM
We'd be more screwed if no one ever died...
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Post by: taxid on May 12, 2020, 07:17 PM
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Post by: SalmonAndStriper Stalker on May 12, 2020, 08:13 PM
wouldnt wont with a virus like covid 19 but what about HIV? you can literally have flying aids
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Post by: SkunkLuvver on May 12, 2020, 08:52 PM
I was wondering about the mosquito thing too. Was listening to a radio show and the dr they had on said it can’t be transmitted through blood, only mucus membranes so it shouldn’t be a problem.. not sure how much faith I have in that though.

I also wonder about black flies and gnats as they’re all up in your face.

Getting my antibody test Thursday so hopefully will be able to worry about crap like that less  :tipup:
Title: Re: something new to consider...
Post by: Bass to mouth on May 12, 2020, 10:43 PM
I think I said this before but the state should put massive solar powered bug zappers near wetlands all over the state. The biggest argument to this was who's going to clean them, I say the bugs would just burn off.
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Post by: stripernut on May 12, 2020, 11:12 PM
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I think I said this before but the state should put massive solar powered bug zappers near wetlands all over the state. The biggest argument to this was who's going to clean them, I say the bugs would just burn off.

I went to college for Environmental Sciences and removing huge amounts of bugs would be a very bad idea. We even mapped it out to demonstrate doing that would hurt the deer population... And all the fish that eat all the bugs, it would be bad. That said I hate the little buggers!
Title: Re: something new to consider...
Post by: lowaccord66 on May 12, 2020, 11:36 PM
I was wondering about the mosquito thing too. Was listening to a radio show and the dr they had on said it can’t be transmitted through blood, only mucus membranes so it shouldn’t be a problem.. not sure how much faith I have in that though.

I also wonder about black flies and gnats as they’re all up in your face.

Getting my antibody test Thursday so hopefully will be able to worry about crap like that less  :tipup:

Testing is all well and good but don't let your guard down.  Just like the flu god only knows how many strains of covid might getcha.  Everyone will be on the edge of their seats waiting for the newest antibody test that didn't exist 3 months prior.  God bless those of you willing to be the guinea pigs on that one....meanwhile one of my customers, a company making tests is profiting...wildly. 
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Post by: Bass to mouth on May 13, 2020, 01:13 AM
@Stripernut
Thats a very good point but chemical spraying is already the only solution. I say put zappers next to heavy mosquito hatches instead of spraying. Sounds like a happy medium to me or let's do nothing.
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Post by: stripernut on May 13, 2020, 06:34 AM
We don't need to spread more chemicals across the environment or use zappers that kill more bugs than mosquitoes. Just use one of the many ways to keep them off you. I often use a head net to keep them off. I spend more time than most outside at the times of day they are the most active and I rarely get bit and when I do, it is because I did not do what I know I should have done. I fall in the let's do nothing group... As for bug zappers here is what a quick google search found;

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They found that just 4.1% of the insects killed in the bug zappers were female (and therefore biting) mosquitoes. May 28, 2019

Over 95% of the Zaps you hear are killing other insects... Let not cut off our face to spite our nose.
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Post by: bogtrotter on May 13, 2020, 07:05 AM
I've heard folks who raise chickens dont' have ticks in their yards 'cuz the chickens eat `em.

So let's "stock" the wilderness with chickens to keep down the ticks.

Of course, then we might have to worry about outbreaks of avian flu.
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Post by: zwiggles on May 13, 2020, 10:45 AM
We don't need to spread more chemicals across the environment or use zappers that kill more bugs than mosquitoes. Just use one of the many ways to keep them off you. I often use a head net to keep them off. I spend more time than most outside at the times of day they are the most active and I rarely get bit and when I do, it is because I did not do what I know I should have done. I fall in the let's do nothing group... As for bug zappers here is what a quick google search found;

Over 95% of the Zaps you hear are killing other insects... Let not cut off our face to spite our nose.

Stop making sense!
Title: Re: something new to consider...
Post by: lowaccord66 on May 13, 2020, 11:05 AM
This thread brings up a thought....how horrible must it be for a germaphobe now. 
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Post by: Fishermantim on May 13, 2020, 11:16 AM
This thread brings up a thought....how horrible must it be for a germaphobe now.

They've probably already keeled over from washing and sterilizing themselves and their hermetically sealed houses.
Title: Re: something new to consider...
Post by: Fishermantim on May 13, 2020, 11:17 AM
Forget the bug zappers, use an industrial sized CO2 trap.
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Post by: james1981 on May 13, 2020, 01:10 PM
 Viruses like the covid virus are very small and rely on transmission via mucus membranes. Eyes nose mouth, they replicate in those areas, lungs, throat, mouth and then are transmitted in the saliva. Rarely does the viral load in the blood even come close to being enough to infect someone with some types of viruses.
 The best example is HIV load in saliva or during any exposure, there are threshold limits and probability distribution for viral loads received by the person in contact that can help predict if you will get the virus or not.
  Mosquito born illnesses like malaria being a living thing and Dengue and Zika  being a virus can survive in the mosquitos as they are the vectors for transmission. 
 
 Washing your hands not sanitizer just washing your hands decreases your risk by 50 percent in some cases.
Title: Re: something new to consider...
Post by: Baitbucket on May 13, 2020, 02:29 PM
My favorite was the spraying last year to kill all the mosquitoes due to EEE. They carpet bombed towns using planes.

The locals were told it was safe for humans and in the next breath told them not to use their air conditioners and keep their windows closed for two days.

Meanwhile, only about 10 people have died from EEE. In 10 years, lets see how many 1000s die from cancer caused by the "harmless spay" they used to kill the bugs...
Title: Re: something new to consider...
Post by: v menzone on May 13, 2020, 07:11 PM
Typical fishermantim b***h on ice shanty b***h on myfishfinder. Debbie downer on life
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Post by: taxid on May 13, 2020, 07:17 PM
I've heard folks who raise chickens dont' have ticks in their yards 'cuz the chickens eat `em.

So let's "stock" the wilderness with chickens to keep down the ticks.

Of course, then we might have to worry about outbreaks of avian flu.

The fox, possums, mink, martens, bobcat, feral cats,and coyotes would absolutely love that!  Probably the predators would reproduce like crazy too.  :laugh: But I don't think the chickens would last long.
Title: Re: something new to consider...
Post by: taxid on May 13, 2020, 07:19 PM
Typical fishermantim b***h on ice shanty b***h on myfishfinder. Debbie downer on life

Don't knock it until you try it.  :rotflol:
Title: Re: something new to consider...
Post by: Jeff M on May 15, 2020, 07:43 PM
Two mammals that eat ticks are opossums and turkeys I am told. I have see the tick population drop off significantly in my yard since the turkeys come through regularly. I had some oppossums but they get hit by cars regularly on my road. Anyone else heard of this?
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Post by: bart on May 15, 2020, 07:58 PM
I was told get a couple of guinea hens to take care of the ticks, suppose to put up a ruckus if a predator shows up.
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Post by: Baitbucket on May 16, 2020, 07:24 AM
Opossums and turkeys will eat them off them selves, but they dont "hunt" for them.

Guinea hens are the only ones ive heard of that will hunt them down and eat them