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Title: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Dec 16, 2022, 08:39 PM
The eggs are now in the alevin (sac fry) stage. In another 5 to 10 days they will use up the yolk sac and be swimming up and around lookin for feed. Then they will be gently moved to another floating basket to feed them a finely powered commercial feed.

They don't get around too well until they absorb the yolk sac.

Believe it or not they are neither females or males at this point. The happens later in the fry stage.



(https://i.imgur.com/vxv5K40h.jpg)
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: gotagetm on Dec 17, 2022, 06:36 AM
That's cool!
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: meandcuznalfy on Dec 17, 2022, 09:35 PM
That's cool!

X2
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: ActiveTrapChecker on Dec 18, 2022, 05:47 AM
Pretty need, thanks for sharing. Do you intend on keeping this thread alive through each stage?
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Dec 20, 2022, 09:52 PM
If you're interested I'd be happy to.
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: gotagetm on Dec 21, 2022, 04:12 AM
I'm interested!!!!!!
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: BBLoon on Dec 21, 2022, 09:42 AM
If you're interested I'd be happy to.


I'd like to follow the progress, also. Thanks!
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Dec 21, 2022, 02:12 PM

I'd like to follow the progress, also. Thanks!

O.K.! I waiting for them to use up their yolk sacs and swim up before I take anther photo. Could be as much as a another week or two until they have all swam up consuming commercial feed.
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Dec 28, 2022, 12:49 PM
Still waiting for them to absorb their yolk sacs and swim up. Getting little concerned as it seems to be taking longer than normal. Water temps are fine and no ammonia or nitrite readings. I lost five or six but that's normal.
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: BBLoon on Dec 28, 2022, 02:16 PM
Thanks for the update. Good luck.
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Jan 01, 2023, 02:40 PM
Brown trout are morphing from alevins to fry. It's been exactly 16 days since the main hatch of eggs to alevins.  Notice the lack of egg sacs, and they are in an upright position vs. laying on their sides with the egg sacs. Not swim up yet but close. They will still retain an egg sac internally for a short while.
I have raised the basket to reduce distance to the surface. At some point they will swim to the surface and gulp air to fill their swim bladders.
Supposed to wait to start feeding when 50 percent of them are swimming up looking for food.
Counting all bad eggs, deformed alevins, and dead alevins removed I am down to 771 out of a 1000 eggs. I only need about 650 maximum. Maybe even less.

This is just a laundry basket with the sides cut out and nylon screen siliconed in place. I built all my own equipment and systems. This system in my basement does not require constant new water. Most of it is recycled. In a fews months these fish will be planted into a flow through pond in the back yard. Should grow about 1.5 inches per month and be about 15 inches by November.


Click on photo to produce larger image.




(https://i.postimg.cc/DJW4J1Xq/BRT-fry-01-01-23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DJW4J1Xq)

16 days ago when they were alevins



(https://i.postimg.cc/5Hy6T8pZ/allevins-12-16-22.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5Hy6T8pZ)
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: BBLoon on Jan 01, 2023, 04:00 PM
Progess!! 👍
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Jan 01, 2023, 04:23 PM
Progess!! 👍

And I will be busy soon feeding constantly!
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Jan 03, 2023, 10:44 AM
Saw one swimming around near the surface of the water in the basket today. Won't be long and there will be lots of them doing that.

Sorry no picture. Would have probably spooked.

I'll take a picture when they are all up and swimming around.
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Jan 08, 2023, 10:34 PM
Most of the fry are up and about now being fed at least 10 x per day on the hour. 1/08/22. Sorry about the darkness and lack of quality of the picture but they freak when I use the flash. The ambient light in the basement area is as bright as it gets. Max size is about 7/8 inches.


(https://i.postimg.cc/K3gNsHhd/BNT-Fry-1-08-22.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K3gNsHhd)
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: BBLoon on Jan 09, 2023, 07:31 AM
Looking good!! 10 times a day!!! 😳  That must keep you busy unless you have an automated system.
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Jan 09, 2023, 07:36 AM
It' not too bad considering it's in the house,  What's odd is how quickly an hour goes by! And I am retired for the most part.
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Jan 17, 2023, 07:43 PM
Lastest picture of some of the Brown Trout fry 1/17/23. Not a great picture but I brought them out into the light which is why they are going to the bottom of the jar. They are little over an inch in length.  Hatched 12/16/22.  Should be about the size of a finger in a month or so and 15 inches by fall. 20-22 inches by next fall.


(https://i.postimg.cc/SYRc1h0p/bnt-fry-1-17-23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SYRc1h0p)
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: BBLoon on Jan 17, 2023, 07:49 PM
Definitely fishy looking now!! 👍
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Jan 17, 2023, 08:47 PM
Definitely fishy looking now!! 👍

Yup!
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Feb 18, 2023, 10:11 AM
Brown trout have grown about an inch since the last time I measured them and took a picture of a few in the clear canning jar January 17, 2023. So they are now 2 inches on February 16, 2023. As posted in another post they were mostly hatched on December 16, 2022. I'm hoping they will up their growth rate to 1.5 inches per month soon as they are feeding more vigorously. Once I switch to larger floating feed they will be doing some serious splashing.

There are about 700 and some (my computer bit the dust so I don't know the exact count anymore.) I split them between two floating baskets to increase water and oxygen flow. Once they reach 3 or 4 inches I will release them into the tank itself. From past experience if I do this too early some will lay on the bottom and make it harder to feed them in the deeper water. I think it has something to do with late swim bladder inflation with some.

Btw the water is gin clear. For some reason the flash makes it look greenish. I keep it quite dark in their hatchery area.


(https://i.postimg.cc/xcVBgkZB/2-16-23-trout-in-jar.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xcVBgkZB)



(https://i.postimg.cc/N9YpmTFx/2-16-23-trout-in-cages.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N9YpmTFx)


Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: BBLoon on Feb 19, 2023, 09:53 AM
Thanks for the update! Your babies are certainly growing. 👍
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Mar 02, 2023, 07:07 AM
The 700 plus brown trout have been liberated out of the floating baskets, and are gently swimming against the current of the circular tank. They also keep the tank clean with their swimming action by suspending solids to be removed via the overflow and subsequent mechanical filters (all DIY).  In a couple of months they will be moved outside to a flow through earthen pond.


(https://i.postimg.cc/8fC3jrJ6/BNT-3-2-23-in-tank.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8fC3jrJ6)


Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: BBLoon on Mar 02, 2023, 10:35 AM
Cool. Makes me dizzy, though. 😵‍💫
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: Steidyj on Mar 02, 2023, 11:13 AM
This is awesome Taxid, following along on your journey!

Are you raising these for private purchase/stockings? From your setup it seems you've done this before! Wishing you all the best and fast growth!
Jake
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Mar 02, 2023, 01:12 PM
Cool. Makes me dizzy, though. 😵‍💫

Good thing you're not a trout!  ;D
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Mar 02, 2023, 01:25 PM
This is awesome Taxid, following along on your journey!

Are you raising these for private purchase/stockings? From your setup it seems you've done this before! Wishing you all the best and fast growth!
Jake

The plan this year was to sell about 600 pounds of them this fall for stocking a public city pond. And hanging on to about 100 males to grow to 4 to 6 pounds the following fall to sell to taxidermists whole frozen from coast to coast like I have been. I grew 600 pounds of rainbows last year for the live stocking. However even though initially I was told that browns would be fine, now they are saying they might not want browns as they are not as "pretty" as the rainbows.  ::) I will know for sure if they will go with them in a few weeks. If not, I will feed the females to the bass in another pond (4 to 7 pound bass) and save enough males back for the taxidermy market. The interesting thing is you can sex brown trout by the shape of their anal fin as small as 4 inches allegedly. We shall see.

Yes been dong this on an off for about 20 years. Initially I bought the fish at a small size (did that last year with the rainbows) but getting eggs shipped overnight sure beats hauling fish.

The fly in the ointment is it costs over $800.00 to health test these trout before they are planted anywhere. This really reduces my profit margin when feed and utilities is included.
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: BBLoon on Mar 02, 2023, 01:40 PM
Good thing you're not a trout!  ;D

So true! I've been called lots of things, but never a trout.😉
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Mar 02, 2023, 03:20 PM
So true! I've been called lots of things, but never a trout.😉

Ever heard of a trouser trout?  ;D
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: BBLoon on Mar 02, 2023, 06:28 PM
Ever heard of a trouser trout?  ;D

Yes, that is one thing I have been called! 😂
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Mar 02, 2023, 09:42 PM
Yes, that is one thing I have been called! 😂

 :rotflol:
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: iceman260 on Mar 03, 2023, 05:50 AM
Taxid thanks for the update, that is very interesting to watch.
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: Steidyj on Mar 03, 2023, 07:38 AM
The plan this year was to sell about 600 pounds of them this fall for stocking a public city pond. And hanging on to about 100 males to grow to 4 to 6 pounds the following fall to sell to taxidermists whole frozen from coast to coast like I have been. I grew 600 pounds of rainbows last year for the live stocking. However even though initially I was told that browns would be fine, now they are saying they might not want browns as they are not as "pretty" as the rainbows.  ::) I will know for sure if they will go with them in a few weeks. If not, I will feed the females to the bass in another pond (4 to 7 pound bass) and save enough males back for the taxidermy market. The interesting thing is you can sex brown trout by the shape of their anal fin as small as 4 inches allegedly. We shall see.

Yes been dong this on an off for about 20 years. Initially I bought the fish at a small size (did that last year with the rainbows) but getting eggs shipped overnight sure beats hauling fish.

The fly in the ointment is it costs over $800.00 to health test these trout before they are planted anywhere. This really reduces my profit margin when feed and utilities is included.

Thanks for the write up! Super interesting stuff to me, was fortunate enough to take an aquaculture class while at school and have flirted with the idea of raising some type of fish in my future!
With that health test is that specifically for your state, or is that something mandated by the Feds?
Hoping there's no other gnats in your drink! Personally unless its a wild rainbow brown trout 99/100 times are prettier than a Bow, but guess I'm just an oddball  ;D
Title: Re: Roughly 800 Brown Trout Alevin 12/16/2022
Post by: taxid on Mar 05, 2023, 06:29 PM
Both state and federal. Recently he feds ruled brown trout are not VHS susceptible, and have taken them off the VHS susceptible list, so we would shouldn't have to spend the money to test for that virus anymore. But lo and behold my state DNR still mandates we test for it. It's easy for them to test their state hatchery trout as the taxpayer pays for their testing, not to mention as far as I'm concerned it's a conflict of interest.