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Title: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: cnypanfisher on Dec 15, 2021, 05:26 PM
NY Senate bill S5266 has passed the NY house and senate, now it only has to be signed to make it law. I tried to post A link to it, but I'm not that savvy. Basically it's going to be open season for native Americans to fish and hunt, in or out of season with no limits, on or off reservations to sell game and fish. It is in the latest newsletter from the OLA Enews letter #61 I just got.

oneidalakeassociation.org

Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: Mac Attack on Dec 15, 2021, 07:07 PM
Send me a link and I’ll post it

[email protected]


Thanks
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: rgfixit on Dec 15, 2021, 07:51 PM
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/s5266 (https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/s5266)
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: MILLERMANKT on Dec 15, 2021, 09:26 PM
I'm not a very strong reader , but this doesn't sound right or fair .
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: Perch-Pirate on Dec 15, 2021, 10:27 PM
This will never or should never pass…I’ve seen what happens in Wisconsin during the walleye spawn and it is terrible. Why would anyone think this is a good idea? There is enough poaching of fish and game already…I guess somebody was wronged a million years ago, so we should coddle and give a free pass at the expense of law abiding citizens. ***censored**** is wrong with people???
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: Perch-Pirate on Dec 15, 2021, 10:28 PM
W.T.F.
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: Perch-Pirate on Dec 15, 2021, 10:28 PM
I guess, I didn’t use proper punctuation…
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: rgfixit on Dec 16, 2021, 04:30 AM
You have the opportunity to comment. Express your opinions according to their rules of moderation and you will be heard.
 
Do nothing and  you will be ignored.
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: reeleyz on Dec 16, 2021, 06:00 AM
You can contact the Governor at the link below and submit your comment (opposition).

https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form (https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form)

Contact your NY State Senator below.

https://www.nysenate.gov/registration/nojs/form/start/find-my-senator (https://www.nysenate.gov/registration/nojs/form/start/find-my-senator)

Contact your Member of Assembly below.

https://nyassembly.gov/mem/search/ (https://nyassembly.gov/mem/search/)
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: Raquettedacker on Dec 16, 2021, 06:04 AM
Thanks for the links guys…
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: Flukeman on Dec 16, 2021, 06:10 AM
This was sent out a couple days ago to bass clubs and their members. Please take the time to respond, you only have to click a box to say yea or nay. You can also leave your email to get updates.
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: FrankM on Dec 16, 2021, 08:59 AM
I used the link provided and registered my opposition. Unfortunately it has already passed the assembly and senate. Too bad we didn't have this info months ago.
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: Perch-Pirate on Dec 16, 2021, 10:37 AM
I used the link provided and registered my opposition. Unfortunately it has already passed the assembly and senate. Too bad we didn't have this info months ago.
The reason we didn’t have this info months ago is because they know what a shot storm it would have caused with sportsman, PETA, nature lovers and the law abiding everyday citizen. Total BS that they sneak this stuff through and we find out when it’s too late. I am finding it really hard to believe that not one senator or legislator voted against this?? Is that what I am seeing??
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: oneida1 on Dec 16, 2021, 11:28 AM
The way im reading it could be wrong , is this apply to res land or Indian owned land, and to be honest on the reservation land/ indian owned hunting and fishing laws havent been followed for years, but still not good
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: bbfrogger on Dec 16, 2021, 02:17 PM
The Amish do that now where I hunt and fish.....
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 16, 2021, 05:33 PM
as long as  no one  keeps  any 7 inch  blue   gills  and  only keep 15  i don't care  we  can always stock more walleyes
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 16, 2021, 05:34 PM
by the  way  just like  the  panfish rules  just like the trout rules   this  is already decided  your wasting your time   getting upset
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: jperch on Dec 17, 2021, 11:17 AM
I am not a lawyer, this is hard for me to understand.  Is this a big change from the existing laws?  I thought that generally speaking the game laws did not apply to native americans on their lands.  For example, I heard they were able to harvest some sturgeon on reservation lands that bordered the St. Lawrence.  Or does this mean the laws have changed for them off of their lands? 
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: filetandrelease on Dec 17, 2021, 11:52 AM

 I’m hoping Bruce gets the low down and passes along what he finds out
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: lowaccord66 on Dec 17, 2021, 11:57 AM
My fathers grandmother was 100% cherokee.  I am not tribal but pretty d**n close. While I can understand the concerns, I am rather surprised by some of the comments.  Comments that seem to lack common decency or respect towards a group of people that lost their lifestyle so we could enjoy ours. 

Meanwhile, we allow open ocean trawling by commercial fleets decimating serveral species.  Releasing 30 miles of dead stripers (have seen this personally) as fluke bycatch and everyone is up in arms about this minority group getting a small change in their favor.  Pretty disgusting.
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: 62 & Done on Dec 17, 2021, 12:24 PM
Rules are rules and should apply to every one   I'm really sorry the native peoples got a bum wrap 5 or 6 generations ago  that doesn't mean they need a free pass now  times have changed     When deer season is closed or a walleye needs to be 15"  that is just the way it is and should stand for every one regardless of who gramma's  grampa was   That's just the way I see it    I too have Indian ancestry   I'm an american now
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: FrankM on Dec 17, 2021, 01:15 PM
The worst thing about this legislation is that section 3 is so poorly written that it is difficult for a person of average intelligence to understand how our game laws will apply to Indians off their tribal territory. Unfortunately this stuff is done deliberately to provide economic opportunity for lawyers. It is sold to the general public as being some altruistic example of "doing the right thing".
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: reeleyz on Dec 17, 2021, 02:18 PM
I’m hoping Bruce gets the low down and passes along what he finds out

I am no expert on this either. I just know that the DEC was never consulted for their input.

Not really something I want to get into on here.

Everyone can read it for themselves and form their own opinion and voice it.
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: filetandrelease on Dec 17, 2021, 03:58 PM

 Ok thanks Bruce
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 17, 2021, 05:24 PM
what we  say  ain't going to make  no difference .......two reason  the  the law  was written  before we  ever seen it and  2  sportsmen don't stick together ..............i  can't keep  15  bluegills  without a  fine  but i  can smoke a  fatty in the  parking lot legally  ...i  can't  keep a  7 inch bluegill  but some people  can  keep all the  7 inch walleyes they  want  :rotflol:

the  ole trapper warned you the stupidity wasn't going to  end  but  no one  listen ....suck it up buttercup....wait to you see what they do next

started  with trout   then panfish  now  walleyes 
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: reeleyz on Dec 17, 2021, 08:01 PM
Ok thanks Bruce

What I will say is that I think the wording sucks. It could make it hard for the DEC to enforce.

Sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Dec 17, 2021, 08:16 PM
what we  say  ain't going to make  no difference .......two reason  the  the law  was written  before we  ever seen it and  2  sportsmen don't stick together ..............i  can't keep  15  bluegills  without a  fine  but i  can smoke a  fatty in the  parking lot legally  ...i  can't  keep a  7 inch bluegill  but some people  can  keep all the  7 inch walleyes they  want  :rotflol:

the  ole trapper warned you the stupidity wasn't going to  end  but  no one  listen ....suck it up buttercup....wait to you see what they do next

started  with trout   then panfish  now  walleyes


I don't understand what smoking dope has to do with this you always bring that up I'm sure when state budgets are passed with no increase to your taxes your eyes will change on the legal dope making millions in tax dollars in every legal state. The city of Chicago alone sold over 1 millions dollars worth on the first day it was legal so your barking up the wrong tree there weed is what will stimulate this economy
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: wertty on Dec 18, 2021, 01:22 AM
its there res let them do as they please.off res they are  bound by same laws as we are.  whats the beef? case closed  i hope
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: reeleyz on Dec 18, 2021, 06:24 AM
Anything ON or OFF of a reservation would be fair game unless the species is protected or the species is “in danger”.


“Allows hunting, fishing, or sale of otherwise prohibited species by citizens of an Indian nation tribe who are exercising a hunting or fishing right reserved by a treaty to which such tribe is a party; includes exceptions for certain species that need protection.”

“To ensure that citizens of Native nations and tribes can exercise hunt-
ing and fishing rights provided under a treaty are not subject to state
laws or regulations, unless such activities take place off of reserva-
tion lands, and the preservation of a species would be in danger.”
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: oneida1 on Dec 18, 2021, 10:23 AM
Not sure but resereved by treaty rights I believe means indian owned property , could be wrong
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: 62 & Done on Dec 18, 2021, 10:57 AM
For all those who think the natives should have no rules or regulations to adhere too ...   Think about this    I have 240 acres that have belonged to my family for 5 generations ( maybe 6 )  I have the deed- I'm not just sayin that granpappy hunted here - They owned it, farmed it , took care of it, and payed the expences as I do now.  So should I as a native to this land be allowed to harvest any and all that I wish and sell or dispose of as I wish so long as I do not cross the fence into my neighbors land?   
      SAME THING ISN'T IT?
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: Badbrad2186 on Dec 18, 2021, 03:22 PM
For all those who think the natives should have no rules or regulations to adhere too ...   Think about this    I have 240 acres that have belonged to my family for 5 generations ( maybe 6 )  I have the deed- I'm not just sayin that granpappy hunted here - They owned it, farmed it , took care of it, and payed the expences as I do now.  So should I as a native to this land be allowed to harvest any and all that I wish and sell or dispose of as I wish so long as I do not cross the fence into my neighbors land?   
      SAME THING ISN'T IT?

If it's good for the goose it's good for the gander right
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 19, 2021, 11:43 AM
i wonder if they will have  cheap walleye fillets  like  cigarettes and gas??????
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: fishinjohn on Dec 20, 2021, 10:59 AM
i guess if its on res. land it would be their deal.  the way i originally took it it was a state wide law.  that would have been a raw deal. cant see where anyone would complain about what they do on their own land.  surly the tribal elders would try and protect the resource rite?  if not they would wipe everything out and have nothing.
I have not read the suggested bill....
However I DO KNOW THIS 100% ( I have LOTS of native customers and friends)
They have ZERO LAW when it comes to wild game on THEIR LAND ALREADY... this must be a statewide deal.. which in my opinion ISNT RIGHT FOR THE WHITE MAN who has to abide by the law...
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 20, 2021, 03:19 PM
sort of like the  white man shooting all the  buffalo  and the indians  starving  :rotflol:
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: filetandrelease on Dec 20, 2021, 03:38 PM
sort of like the  white man shooting all the  buffalo  and the indians  starving  :rotflol:
Hey trapp aren’t you part Native American ,
   
Title: Re: Open season no limits on everything
Post by: trapper2000 on Dec 20, 2021, 03:58 PM
i  sure  am  and  from what i  read  no  8 inch  bluegills and  no 15 fish limit rules ....  and  now i'll have a place to get rid  of the walleyes that annoy me  while i'm perch  fishing.........