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MFF US Northeast => New York => Topic started by: cnypanfisher on Dec 15, 2021, 05:26 PM
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NY Senate bill S5266 has passed the NY house and senate, now it only has to be signed to make it law. I tried to post A link to it, but I'm not that savvy. Basically it's going to be open season for native Americans to fish and hunt, in or out of season with no limits, on or off reservations to sell game and fish. It is in the latest newsletter from the OLA Enews letter #61 I just got.
oneidalakeassociation.org
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Send me a link and I’ll post it
[email protected]
Thanks
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https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/s5266 (https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/s5266)
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I'm not a very strong reader , but this doesn't sound right or fair .
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This will never or should never pass…I’ve seen what happens in Wisconsin during the walleye spawn and it is terrible. Why would anyone think this is a good idea? There is enough poaching of fish and game already…I guess somebody was wronged a million years ago, so we should coddle and give a free pass at the expense of law abiding citizens. ***censored**** is wrong with people???
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W.T.F.
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I guess, I didn’t use proper punctuation…
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You have the opportunity to comment. Express your opinions according to their rules of moderation and you will be heard.
Do nothing and you will be ignored.
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You can contact the Governor at the link below and submit your comment (opposition).
https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form (https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form)
Contact your NY State Senator below.
https://www.nysenate.gov/registration/nojs/form/start/find-my-senator (https://www.nysenate.gov/registration/nojs/form/start/find-my-senator)
Contact your Member of Assembly below.
https://nyassembly.gov/mem/search/ (https://nyassembly.gov/mem/search/)
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Thanks for the links guys…
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This was sent out a couple days ago to bass clubs and their members. Please take the time to respond, you only have to click a box to say yea or nay. You can also leave your email to get updates.
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I used the link provided and registered my opposition. Unfortunately it has already passed the assembly and senate. Too bad we didn't have this info months ago.
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I used the link provided and registered my opposition. Unfortunately it has already passed the assembly and senate. Too bad we didn't have this info months ago.
The reason we didn’t have this info months ago is because they know what a shot storm it would have caused with sportsman, PETA, nature lovers and the law abiding everyday citizen. Total BS that they sneak this stuff through and we find out when it’s too late. I am finding it really hard to believe that not one senator or legislator voted against this?? Is that what I am seeing??
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The way im reading it could be wrong , is this apply to res land or Indian owned land, and to be honest on the reservation land/ indian owned hunting and fishing laws havent been followed for years, but still not good
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The Amish do that now where I hunt and fish.....
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as long as no one keeps any 7 inch blue gills and only keep 15 i don't care we can always stock more walleyes
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by the way just like the panfish rules just like the trout rules this is already decided your wasting your time getting upset
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I am not a lawyer, this is hard for me to understand. Is this a big change from the existing laws? I thought that generally speaking the game laws did not apply to native americans on their lands. For example, I heard they were able to harvest some sturgeon on reservation lands that bordered the St. Lawrence. Or does this mean the laws have changed for them off of their lands?
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I’m hoping Bruce gets the low down and passes along what he finds out
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My fathers grandmother was 100% cherokee. I am not tribal but pretty d**n close. While I can understand the concerns, I am rather surprised by some of the comments. Comments that seem to lack common decency or respect towards a group of people that lost their lifestyle so we could enjoy ours.
Meanwhile, we allow open ocean trawling by commercial fleets decimating serveral species. Releasing 30 miles of dead stripers (have seen this personally) as fluke bycatch and everyone is up in arms about this minority group getting a small change in their favor. Pretty disgusting.
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Rules are rules and should apply to every one I'm really sorry the native peoples got a bum wrap 5 or 6 generations ago that doesn't mean they need a free pass now times have changed When deer season is closed or a walleye needs to be 15" that is just the way it is and should stand for every one regardless of who gramma's grampa was That's just the way I see it I too have Indian ancestry I'm an american now
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The worst thing about this legislation is that section 3 is so poorly written that it is difficult for a person of average intelligence to understand how our game laws will apply to Indians off their tribal territory. Unfortunately this stuff is done deliberately to provide economic opportunity for lawyers. It is sold to the general public as being some altruistic example of "doing the right thing".
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I’m hoping Bruce gets the low down and passes along what he finds out
I am no expert on this either. I just know that the DEC was never consulted for their input.
Not really something I want to get into on here.
Everyone can read it for themselves and form their own opinion and voice it.
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Ok thanks Bruce
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what we say ain't going to make no difference .......two reason the the law was written before we ever seen it and 2 sportsmen don't stick together ..............i can't keep 15 bluegills without a fine but i can smoke a fatty in the parking lot legally ...i can't keep a 7 inch bluegill but some people can keep all the 7 inch walleyes they want :rotflol:
the ole trapper warned you the stupidity wasn't going to end but no one listen ....suck it up buttercup....wait to you see what they do next
started with trout then panfish now walleyes
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Ok thanks Bruce
What I will say is that I think the wording sucks. It could make it hard for the DEC to enforce.
Sent you a PM.
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what we say ain't going to make no difference .......two reason the the law was written before we ever seen it and 2 sportsmen don't stick together ..............i can't keep 15 bluegills without a fine but i can smoke a fatty in the parking lot legally ...i can't keep a 7 inch bluegill but some people can keep all the 7 inch walleyes they want :rotflol:
the ole trapper warned you the stupidity wasn't going to end but no one listen ....suck it up buttercup....wait to you see what they do next
started with trout then panfish now walleyes
I don't understand what smoking dope has to do with this you always bring that up I'm sure when state budgets are passed with no increase to your taxes your eyes will change on the legal dope making millions in tax dollars in every legal state. The city of Chicago alone sold over 1 millions dollars worth on the first day it was legal so your barking up the wrong tree there weed is what will stimulate this economy
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its there res let them do as they please.off res they are bound by same laws as we are. whats the beef? case closed i hope
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Anything ON or OFF of a reservation would be fair game unless the species is protected or the species is “in danger”.
“Allows hunting, fishing, or sale of otherwise prohibited species by citizens of an Indian nation tribe who are exercising a hunting or fishing right reserved by a treaty to which such tribe is a party; includes exceptions for certain species that need protection.”
“To ensure that citizens of Native nations and tribes can exercise hunt-
ing and fishing rights provided under a treaty are not subject to state
laws or regulations, unless such activities take place off of reserva-
tion lands, and the preservation of a species would be in danger.”
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Not sure but resereved by treaty rights I believe means indian owned property , could be wrong
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For all those who think the natives should have no rules or regulations to adhere too ... Think about this I have 240 acres that have belonged to my family for 5 generations ( maybe 6 ) I have the deed- I'm not just sayin that granpappy hunted here - They owned it, farmed it , took care of it, and payed the expences as I do now. So should I as a native to this land be allowed to harvest any and all that I wish and sell or dispose of as I wish so long as I do not cross the fence into my neighbors land?
SAME THING ISN'T IT?
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For all those who think the natives should have no rules or regulations to adhere too ... Think about this I have 240 acres that have belonged to my family for 5 generations ( maybe 6 ) I have the deed- I'm not just sayin that granpappy hunted here - They owned it, farmed it , took care of it, and payed the expences as I do now. So should I as a native to this land be allowed to harvest any and all that I wish and sell or dispose of as I wish so long as I do not cross the fence into my neighbors land?
SAME THING ISN'T IT?
If it's good for the goose it's good for the gander right
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i wonder if they will have cheap walleye fillets like cigarettes and gas??????
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i guess if its on res. land it would be their deal. the way i originally took it it was a state wide law. that would have been a raw deal. cant see where anyone would complain about what they do on their own land. surly the tribal elders would try and protect the resource rite? if not they would wipe everything out and have nothing.
I have not read the suggested bill....
However I DO KNOW THIS 100% ( I have LOTS of native customers and friends)
They have ZERO LAW when it comes to wild game on THEIR LAND ALREADY... this must be a statewide deal.. which in my opinion ISNT RIGHT FOR THE WHITE MAN who has to abide by the law...
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sort of like the white man shooting all the buffalo and the indians starving :rotflol:
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sort of like the white man shooting all the buffalo and the indians starving :rotflol:
Hey trapp aren’t you part Native American ,
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i sure am and from what i read no 8 inch bluegills and no 15 fish limit rules .... and now i'll have a place to get rid of the walleyes that annoy me while i'm perch fishing.........