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My Fish Finder Main => General Fishing Discussion => Topic started by: grumpymoe on Jun 26, 2006, 08:33 PM
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finally got an afternoon yesterday to get some overdue mowing done...rain just about enough every day during the week forced the issue with the breeze drying things out...anyways, finishing up around the garden raspberry patch and had a couple pushes left when all of a sudden like a speeding bullet, I saw a bee zinging straight from in front of the mower toward my head...man....those things are sooooooooo fast...couldnt even swat or duck or anything...booger caught me just near the corner of my eye... >:( couple hours later it was no more than a red spot where he nailed me......after going through the same thing last summer getting my ring cut off my finger at emergency 2 days later, I pretty much knew what was coming....alls well this morning....then my glasses start getting uncomfortable at work today...phone the doctors office and mention what happened....the RECEPTIONIST tells me to go and get some Benadryl Extra Strength and carry it with me... ::) now as I type this, my right eye is about half size....my nose is closing in....and my cheek (if thats what its supposed to be) is now puffed to my lower jaw...expect to get some shuteye tonight ::) ::) and wear a monacle tomorrow in place of my reading glasses for work ::) friggin bees....Grump ::)
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sounds uncomfortable SDB :-\ hope you can rest...if not try to be quiet so Mt.mama can ;D
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Ask your Dr. If you can have a script for Epinephrine(Auto-Injector). When you get stung give yourself the shot ASAP. My daughter has been allergic to bees and such since she was young. It's helps greatly.
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man bee's have gotten me terribly twice this summer.
1. climbing in Rumney NH, put a Cam in about 20 feet above my last peice, here a buzzing and they swamred my face, threw myself off the face and took a 40 foot whipper and smacking against the wall about 6 fet from decking.
2. kayak fishing, hit a bee's nest with my paddle, swarmed me, quick thought was to roll the kayak and come back up inside the cockpit so I could breath untill the bees left. the bes nest ended up falling inside the cockpit and they got stuck in my hair for ever.
hate those little terds.
~Neal
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the bees nest ended up falling inside the cockpit and they got stuck in my hair for ever.
Holy Crap! How many times did you get stung?
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enough. luckily I dont react badly to stings, they leave bumbs similar to a mosquito bite for me. hurts like hell though. once they were stuck in my hair it was like a little reminder evry 5 or 10 minutes, one would get untangled from my hair and sting me again. went on for about an hour after it happened, inside kmy hair and t shirt.
~Neal
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Grump,
Had a similar thing happen to me a few years ago. I was doing some weed-wacking and got stung right on the center "flap" of my nose. I had never had any sort of reaction to stings before, so I didn't think too much of it at first. But after about an hour of the normal pain, it started to get pretty bad. My nose completely closed up first, then my upper lip swelled up until it split open in the inside. Definitely not something I would want to go through again. But my Doc gave me the same thing - Benadryl - and he also suggested one other thing... meat tenderizer. Mix it 1 part tenderizer to 3 or 4 parts water and make it into a past and slather it over the sting area. The benadryl helped with the swelling, but the tenderizer quickly took the sting out. Apparently, the active ingredient in the tenderizer neutralizes whatever is in their stingers.
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immediatly after the sting, mix baking soda with water untill its a paste and put it over the sting, it yankes the stinger out when it dries up into a crust and should keep the poison from getting into the bloodstrweam and puffing you up like a marshmellow. my sister ewcts bad to thekm and thats what we did with her
~Neal
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Sounds like you ran near a yellow jacket nest, Grump. The first question would be did it leave a stinger behind? True bees ( honey bees/bumble bees) leave a stinger with a venom sac behind. If the stinger was still in the skin it needs to be removed as soon as possible because it still pumps venom when its left behind. the be dies after leaving the stinger behind.
Wasps, yellow jackets, hornets and their relatives don't leave a stinger and can sting multiple times. They also tend to be more aggressive than bees. That's not saying that bees can't get ornery, but generally if you leave bees alone they'll leave you alone. Can't say the same for the others. Bees tend to have a furry look while the others look smooth and shiny.
I am a part time bee keeper with my dad. I've probably been stung as many times by yellow jackets without bothering them as by bees in the hives I check.
Benadryl and the Epi-pen (epinephrine) are great suggestions. If you are showing these signs of allergic reactions it is always possible for the next sting to put you into anaphylactic shock which can be life threatening. One of my brothers is allergic to bee stings and this is always a concern for him and us.
I hope you feel better,
Brian
P.S. If using baking soda paste it only sootjes the area of the sting. I REPEAT get the stinger out immediately it continues to pump venom. Don't squeeze the stinger, rather scrape it out with a fingernail, credit card etc. The lower the dose of venom the less the body has to fight. This lessen the bodies reaction to the sting.
The meat tenderizer is like baking soda, mud, or other home remedies it tends to soothe the area of the sting and lessen the pain. Once the venom is absorbed into the blood stream the body reacts. Keeping calm helps a lot because it keeps the heart rate down slowing down the body' reaction.
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Try getting a sting on your lower left eyelid from a nice big fat yellow jacket. Then having it swell your eye shut for almost 2 full weeks. Not the most enjoyable thing I've encountered.
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I unknowingly weedwacked a big yellowjacket nest in half one day as a kid. Didn't realize what had happened until it was too late and I had them up my pants and in my socks :-\ That hurt like crazy but I'm not allergic thank God. If it had been my dad he'd probably be dead.
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I'm one of the lucky epi-pen carriers. I ended up in the ER with a breathing tube after being stung as a kid. Allergic reactions can change as our body chemistry changes with age. I might be fine now, but I don't want to find out. Think about carrying the pen or some benadryl, grump. You obviously have a strong reaction and it could get bad if you get multiple stings.
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A sting from a bee or wasp is bad enough any time but to get it in the corner of the eye, ouch, :pinch: you defiantly are allergic to the venom, everyone had great advice. :)
Xrhino made a very good point about you body chemistry changing with age. A person could get stung all there life and have no reaction but some time in the futere you could have an allergic reaction like you did.
The nasty thing is that it seems to take less and less venom to trigger the reaction each time. You should defiantly carry something to combat the stings quickly, that type of reaction you experienced can be very dangerous.
WW
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"A person could get stung all there life and have no reaction but some time in the futere you could have an allergic reaction like you did."
Thats exactly what happened to me. I had been stung occasionally throughout my life, then one day last summer I stepped on a yellow jackets nest while mowing the lawn. Received upwards of 40 stings. Immediately started sweating profusely and didn't feel right. Hopped in the shower. As I got out I broke out with hives and told my wife that she had either bring me to the hospital or call 911. I got to the ER within 10 minutes, so within 30minutes of the ATTACK. I didn't get through the door, I passed out and smacked my head on the way down, needed 5 stitches. Allergy tests indicates I am now allergic to bee stings and I need to carry an Epi-pen with me.
I don't mow that part of the yard no more ;)
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I seem to get stung all the friggin time. We had a bald faced hornet nest in my sons playscape thing. About the size of a mini basketball. I hosed it down with Raid but there were several of them that survived and attacked me. Talk about aggressive little b*stards!!! A lit tiki torch was the ultimate undoing of that nest of hornets.
If you ever encounter the bald faced hornets be prepared for a battle. they are the ones with a small blue spot on their head.
Another note of caution. When you think its too cold for bees to fly the bald faced hornets can fly. It has to be around 45 degrees before they become dormant.
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I also am one of the lucky Epi - Pin carriers .
I found out I was alergic when I tried to drink a honey bee .
I USED TO drink my soda from a can but no longer do .
I am also a smoker and one day I had my usual coke and went to take a drink and found something in my mouth thinking it was a cigarette butt because thats where I would put them when my can was empty . Well I found different when I went to spit out what I thought was a butt and a honey bee latched on to my lip and let me have it .I looked like Mike Tyson popped me in the mouth for a couple of days after that Needless to say I will only drink out of a bottle now .
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thanks for the advice everyone....and yes...gonna start carrying precaution around now...got up this morning and headed to work....bejeebers...took a look in the mirror when I got there and I didnt recognize myself...my lips felt like I'd been to the dentist and from my eyebrows down its just one big puffy mess....its starting to subside now, and hopefully over the next day or two I'll get back to normal....what did it this morning was one of my techs who asked if I got into a brawl last night...lmao...that did it for me....packed up my stuff and headed back home before 8:00 am today...thanks again for all the stories and especially the great advice.....Grump
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they dont sting like a screwdrivah do they? ;D
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If any of you have had a reaction to a sting I urge you to as the brothers have related and get a kit to inject yourself in case that you are stung and have a reaction.
A co-worker nearly lost his son to the allergic reaction of a bee sting and a neighbor who was standing in his yard talking to a friend and was stung by a wasp died within 20 minutes of the sting.
This is nothing to mess with.
Winchester 88
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I agree with some of the others Grump, get a kit. Can you imagine looking at yourself in the mirror if you had been stung by 20 of them instead of 1? I was shooting my bow one day when my arrow passed thru and stuck the ground...no big deal....well it turns out it stuck a nest of ground hornets and when I went to pull my arrows from the target they swarmed. I took over 20 hits and spent the rest of the day in bed rotating ice packs. Lucky for me I'm not allergic, just a sissy when it comes to that shii.....But for those who are....Get the KIT!
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Builditright Are you talking about the screwdriver you tryed to sharpen your pencil with I love that one!!!!!
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we both did our best to imitate a skewered human last year didnt we? lol....I'll take the sting and the swelling anyday to driving a screwdriver through 4 knuckles without going through any bone...bejeebers...you want to feel pain....cramps like you wouldnt believe....right bud....Grump ;D
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Grump,
Sorry about your episode but thanks for the post. My last sting (two years ago) set up an allergy as my hand swelled big time. I carry the kit now waiting for the next encounter (which, of course, will happen) It was nice hearing from all the other guys that use the kit as I haven't had to use it yet.
Thanks,
Bart
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That reminds me a few years ago now I was working on a organic farm & got slammed by black flys
man those suckers can bite I had to go to er more than once I had to get a rx for bennie
my eye swelled up s o much & nose
swelled up 2
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Builditright Are you talking about the screwdriver you tryed to sharpen your pencil with I love that one!!!!!
that would be the one ...LOL...some lessons shouldnt need to be learned the hard way but i guess i was a hard learner ::)
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You also need a Medic Alert necklace or bracelet !!!
You never know if a sting could render you unconscious . At least this way a medic can treat you faster if you're unable to tell them what happend .
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I copied this text from Mayo clinic. Thought it might be helpful. It's quite a read, but not too bad if it saves a life.
bwalleye
Anaphylaxis is a severe and potentially life-threatening allergic reaction. Common triggers include insect venoms, latex, foods and medications.
Your immune system produces antibodies that defend against foreign substances, including allergens. When antibodies attach to these foreign substances, they may release chemicals that can cause allergic symptoms such as watery eyes and a runny nose. Anaphylaxis occurs when your immune system severely overreacts to an allergen. The flood of chemicals released in your body during anaphylaxis makes your blood pressure drop suddenly, and your bronchial tubes narrow, causing difficulty breathing or even unconsciousness and death. You may have an anaphylactic response within seconds or minutes of exposure to an allergen such as the venom from a bee sting or an ingested peanut.
Although anaphylaxis is the most dangerous type of allergic reaction, it's also the least common. Still, hundreds of Americans die of anaphylactic shock each year.
Fortunately, you can be prepared to respond quickly and effectively to an allergy emergency by knowing the signs and symptoms of a severe allergic reaction and by carrying emergency medication with you. It's also important to do everything you can to prevent exposure to life-threatening allergens.
Signs and symptoms
An anaphylactic reaction is most likely to occur in susceptible people who have been stung by a bee or bitten by an insect, eaten food containing food allergens, or taken a new medication. The effects of anaphylaxis aren't limited to the site of the exposure. Development of the following signs and symptoms within minutes of exposure to an allergen is a strong indication of anaphylaxis:
Constriction of the airways, including wheezing and a swollen throat, that results in difficulty breathing
Shock associated with a severe decrease in blood pressure
Weak and rapid pulse
Dizziness or fainting
Hives and itching
Flushed or pale skin
Nausea, vomiting or diarrhea
Anxiety
Causes
Many allergens can cause anaphylaxis. Sometimes the cause of an anaphylactic reaction is unknown. The most common causes of anaphylaxis include:
Drugs, such as penicillin
Foods such as peanuts, tree nuts (walnuts, pecans), milk, eggs, fish and shellfish
Insect stings from bees, yellow jackets, wasps, hornets and fire ants
Latex
Anaphylaxis isn't a common condition, though many people are at risk of having an anaphylactic reaction. If you have a history of allergies or asthma, you may be at increased risk — especially if you've had prior anaphylactic reactions. Future reactions may be more severe than the first.
Treatment
Adrenaline (epinephrine) is the drug most commonly used to treat anaphylactic reactions. You can self-administer the drug with an autoinjector, such as the EpiPen or the EpiPen Jr. An autoinjector is a combined syringe and concealed needle that injects a single dose of medication when pressed against your thigh. Your doctor may recommend that you carry epinephrine with you. Be sure you know how to use the autoinjector properly. Also, make sure the people closest to you know how to administer the drug — if they're with you in an anaphylactic emergency, they could save your life. Medical personnel called in response to a severe anaphylactic reaction also may give you epinephrine.
If necessary, a doctor or emergency medical team may perform cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). They may also administer intravenous antihistamines and cortisone to reduce inflammation of your air passages and improve your breathing.
If you're with someone who has experienced anaphylaxis and shows signs of shock — pale, cool and clammy skin, weak and rapid pulse, shallow breathing, confusion, anxiety — follow these steps:
Call 911 or emergency medical help immediately.
Check to see if the person is carrying special medications to treat an allergic attack. If so, administer the medication.
Get the person to lie down on his or her back and elevate the feet higher than the head to keep adequate blood flow to the brain, which will prevent fainting. Keep him or her from moving unnecessarily.
Keep the person warm and comfortable. Loosen tight clothing and cover him or her with a blanket. Don't give the person anything to drink.
If the person is vomiting or bleeding from the mouth, place the person on his or her side to prevent choking.
If the person isn't breathing or has no pulse, perform CPR.
Prevention
The best way to prevent anaphylaxis is to avoid substances that you know cause this severe reaction. Follow these steps to help ensure your well-being:
Wear a medical alert necklace or bracelet to indicate if you have an allergy to specific drugs or other substances.
Alert your doctor to your drug allergies before having any medical treatment. If you receive allergy shots, always wait at least 30 minutes before leaving the clinic so that you can receive immediate treatment if you have a severe reaction to the allergy shot.
Keep a properly stocked emergency kit with prescribed medications available at all times. Your doctor can advise you on the appropriate contents. This may include an epinephrine autoinjector. Make sure your autoinjector has not expired. These medications generally last 18 months.
If you're allergic to stinging insects, exercise caution when they're nearby. Wear long-sleeved shirts and trousers. Avoid bright colors and don't wear perfumes or colognes. Stay calm if you come in proximity to a stinging insect. Move away slowly and avoid slapping at the insect.
Avoid wearing sandals or walking barefoot in the grass if you're allergic to insect stings.
If you have specific food allergies, read the labels of all the foods you buy. Manufacturing processes can change, so it's important to periodically recheck the labels of foods you commonly eat. When eating out, ask about ingredients in the food, and ask about food preparation because even small amounts of the food you're allergic to can cause a serious reaction.