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Title: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: charlys1954 on Apr 13, 2019, 02:54 AM
I guess this is what global warming is all about, at least its not snowing(yet).....

I'm ready do some spring fishing in shorts not heavy cloths. Decided to fish early this year for the first time, normally don't start until mid/late May. Still waiting on the Crappie to spawn up here, it'll be my first try at it. Would like to experience it this year, lets go warm weather get in the game.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: taxid on Apr 13, 2019, 08:59 PM
Supposed to snow tonight into the morning north of highway 6. Odd thing is one report says up to 1.25 inches of rain while another says 1 to 2 inches of snow. If it's cold enough to snow 1.25 inches of water could produce over 10 inches of snow!

And what does local weather have to do with global warning? The entire global average temp does keep rising year to year. You can't argue with the data.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: kfishdoctor on Apr 14, 2019, 08:24 AM
Whos data?  Oh I know whos, al gore. MR carbon footprint himself.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: taxid on Apr 14, 2019, 04:33 PM
Whos data?  Oh I know whos, al gore. MR carbon footprint himself.

Forget about Al Gore. He's not worth of considering. He just a politician. I don't get my science from politicians.

How about NASA, NOAA, and climate scientists that are experts on climate?

(https://i.imgur.com/gMFQjJN.png)
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: kfishdoctor on Apr 14, 2019, 06:05 PM
https://realclimatescience.com/2017/01/earth-cooling-at-the-fastest-rate-on-record/
My "Climate scientists" think differently than yours. Mine are experts also. But my data cant be bought. NOAA and  NASA are controlled by who? The politicians. I do agree with climate change, look at it today. Long term the globe warms and it cools. Im sorry but I cant believe any so called data produced by government funded groups.  And anything the united nations says is true or is for, beware, that's a whole slew of anti United States politicians looking for some more power and money at whos expense, yours and mine. We can throw charts and quotes back and forth all day long so it comes down to who you choose to believe.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: taxid on Apr 14, 2019, 06:23 PM
https://realclimatescience.com/2017/01/earth-cooling-at-the-fastest-rate-on-record/
My "Climate scientists" think differently than yours. Mine are experts also. But my data cant be bought. NOAA and  NASA are controlled by who? The politicians. I do agree with climate change, look at it today. Long term the globe warms and it cools. Im sorry but I cant believe any so called data produced by government funded groups.  And anything the united nations says is true or is for, beware, that's a whole slew of anti United States politicians looking for some more power and money at whos expense, yours and mine. We can throw charts and quotes back and forth all day long so it comes down to who you choose to believe.

You link is a politically biased BLOG page with NO scientists quoted or linked to. I can start a BLOG page that says the sky is not blue. But it doesn't make it so.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: kfishdoctor on Apr 14, 2019, 07:50 PM
And if you or NOAA or NASA start a blog and say the skys not blue most global warmers would follow right along. And those groups are not politically biased?  Who or what scientists produced your chart? I put that up for the charts and graphs just like you did. A whole lot more data on that blog if your willing to look. Its what our side has to do. Since we dont fit the agenda we get the message out by the only means we have. So I will throw another one out there. One of your trusted sources NASA speaks out of 2 sides of their mouth. Which side speaks the truth? The global warming side gets covered and the cooling side does not?  I dont really care what they think, as I said before NASA is a government run government funded mouthpiece of the global warmers. I just dont want the others on this sight to only see one side of the story,espically since my side is not covered  by the media and the government is the perpetrator of the hoax   No money or power to control in the truth.
https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2018/04/24/did_you_know_the_greatest_two-year_global_cooling_event_just_took_place_103243.html
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: taxid on Apr 14, 2019, 10:36 PM
So the research that NASA and NOAA does you consider blogs?  That's a new one.  :o

I guess we'll just have to disagree. My apologies if I ruffled your feathers.

I'll leave you with one of my favorite cartoons on the issue:

(https://i.imgur.com/q79E7Jg.jpg)

Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: Hexagenia51 on Apr 15, 2019, 06:01 AM
Look at the satellite photos of the polar ice caps and see how much ice we've lost! Then keep denying global warming till your lake or ocean front houses are starting to flood. It will be too late then, we better start changing our lifestyles now! Hex
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: bigr on Apr 15, 2019, 06:20 AM
I agree there is climate change. That's been going on forever. What I don't believe is how much the so called experts are blaming on human causes. We haven't been keeping data long enough too start blaming us with certainty.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: FWCanoeFisher on Apr 15, 2019, 07:54 AM
This global warming is just a microcosm of the greater climate change that occurs on this planet.  It's merely cyclical.  I'm not saying it isn't true, it's all a matter of your frame of reference.  However, wouldn't it be smart to try and do our best to ensure our planet can support human life for as long as we possibly can?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#/media/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#/media/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png)
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: taxid on Apr 15, 2019, 08:01 AM
I agree there is climate change. That's been going on forever. What I don't believe is how much the so called experts are blaming on human causes. We haven't been keeping data long enough too start blaming us with certainty.

So you think it's just a coincidence that the ramping up of warming of the atmosphere coincides with the release of greenhouse gases from when the industrial revolution started? Look at the graph I posted again...

Do you have any idea now many tons of greenhouse gases humans are releasing into the atmosphere every day? Try 38.2 billon tons. Thats a lot even for a solid. Unbelievable amount for a gas!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/carbon-dioxide-emissions-rise-to-24-million-pounds-per-second/

And for those that keep repeating the fallacy that volcanoes release more:  Try less than 1 percent of greenhouse gases are releases by volcanoes according to the USGS.

So about 99 percent of the greenhouse gases released out there are by human activity.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-volcanoes-or-humans/

And just one more fallacy. Some say why should we bother when countries like China is releasing massive amount of greenhouse gases? China is in the process of shutting down their coal fired plants at last I heard the rate of 1 a week. They are also going to all renewable energy as in solar and wind. We are going backwards because our legislators can't get anything done and narrow minded thinking.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2019/01/11/china-renewable-energy-superpower/#3d993520745a
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: Gartoon on Apr 15, 2019, 10:30 AM
 :o
“The trouble with quotes on the Internet is you never know if they are genuine.” —Abraham Lincoln


(https://i.postimg.cc/tsxQ22BC/sorry-im-late-needed-more-popcorn-vladimir-putin-memes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsxQ22BC)
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: RoeBoat on Apr 15, 2019, 11:11 AM
You guys need to go fishing!  Even if you do just paddle.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: Gartoon on Apr 15, 2019, 12:13 PM
You guys need to go fishing!  Even if you do just paddle.

Amen
( still catching coho on the MC ) :-X
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: Gartoon on Apr 15, 2019, 12:20 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZvrCgR1s/56214319-342460079711736-2080647815071006720-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZvrCgR1s)
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: charlys1954 on Apr 16, 2019, 01:52 AM
Fact:Al Gore said the Arctic sea ice could be completely gone during the summer by around 2013 or 2014. Wonder how many millions he's made, billionaire G. Soros gave him millions to help push his theory.

Fact:AOC said world ends in 12 yrs if carbon use is not stopped. Question is, is she using a bicycle or gas guzzler to get to work?

According to AOC guess we'll have to pull our boat/trailers with horses and use oars since AOC says all combustible gas engines must go. Guess I'll just have to quit fishing I'm to old to row.

Fact or Fiction: Global Warming> I am not a scientist so I don't know but this article is interesting. It says, Every 10,000 years a Ice Age cycles, with a new one actually due around now.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/#66d376ef3de0 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/#66d376ef3de0)
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: charlys1954 on Apr 16, 2019, 01:59 AM
Let the dog out Sunday 2am and it was snowing, Grrrrrrrr.

So I guess it might be a little longer before the Crappie get in full spawn around here.

BTW anyone finding any mushrooms in central Ind. I've yet to get out yet. Can't see good so waiting on the Bigger Yellows, can see them easier.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: charlys1954 on Apr 16, 2019, 02:22 AM
30-40 yrs from now I'll be dead but I believe the climate cycle then will be in a cooling cycle, I'm betting some will believe humans will have caused the cooling. So warming or cooling you can win against CEG.

earth history(2500B.C.-2040A.D.) does show climate cycles.
                                               
(https://i.postimg.cc/9rtyzc4L/gw.png) (https://postimg.cc/9rtyzc4L)
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: charlys1954 on Apr 16, 2019, 01:33 PM
Here's a CRAZY thought.

I believe the earth has went thru many warm to cool to warm to cool, etc. climate changes in its existence.

So "IF" humans caused warming in the last century and "IF" the earth is due for a cooling climate change. The humans have "SLOWED" down the oncoming cooling change, which is good.

In other words.
Its like the climate here in Indiana, the summer is hot(warming climate) then in the winter its cold(cooling climate), so in the winter(cooling stage) we turn on the heat to make our homes warm. By warming the planet we can slow down the next ice age or neutralize it. Does that make any common sense?
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: charlys1954 on Apr 16, 2019, 02:01 PM
Sorry for all the post but its been a very nervous/upsetting past few days for me. My cousin in Tenn. passed and I can't go to his funeral tomorrow, so I am very fidgety and anxious.

Allot of you may have seen him if you watch the "Bar Rescue" tv series. The one called "MT Bottles and Cans", Tracy owned that bar. Tracy was a big jolly teddy bear and everyone will miss him.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: kfishdoctor on Apr 16, 2019, 08:15 PM

http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/china-nuclear-power.aspx#ECSArticleLink7
Wind and solar could be great but china is smart. They know that something else is needed.
Also how does a country thats 21 trillion in debt think about spending anymore money on anything, espically when the predicted end has come and gone.



Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: kfishdoctor on Apr 16, 2019, 08:31 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/science/climate-models-wildly-overestimated-global-warming-study-finds

And their excuse is the models were off. Well just maybe the whole thing is off, way off. But one thing that is on, right on is their ability to scare you into their web of control. But don't believe me or the other side, do your own homework if this or anything else concerns you. Trust no one,
 the government, the united nations against the United States the Pravda or anyones opinion. Form your own by doing your homework.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: abishop on Apr 16, 2019, 09:05 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/science/climate-models-wildly-overestimated-global-warming-study-finds

And their excuse is the models were off. Well just maybe the whole thing is off, way off. But one thing that is on, right on is their ability to scare you into their web of control. But don't believe me or the other side, do your own homework if this or anything else concerns you. Trust no one,
 the government, the united nations against the United States the Pravda or anyones opinion. Form your own by doing your homework.
well said.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: taxid on Apr 17, 2019, 01:49 PM
Fox News?

You mean the tabloid network that thinks Guatemala, Costa Rica, and Honduras are Mexican countries?

(https://i.imgur.com/w5sriglm.jpg)

That one? And no this not political, but it's something even a 3rd grader should know better. But those short skirts or nice I suppose.

(https://i.imgur.com/LYRgTyn.gif)

Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: kfishdoctor on Apr 17, 2019, 07:20 PM
Call it what you want. But the political loonies cbs,nbc,abc, cnn, cnbc,"pubic" broadcasting are all to busy fake newsing Trump and the Russians to cover any real news, which is anything that goes against the agenda set forth by their gods in the government. The c in all of these stations should really stand for communist. They even one up Pravda. They are doing it in a free country and free people are willing to follow them. Its all about control and the blind sheep that they prey on. By the way the mistake that Fox made didn't harm a thing but the global warming sham will bankrupt our country.  I also love how the warmers operate, change the subject and mock. I try to stay on subject and I try not to mock.. But when you do it you don't leave me much of a choice but to join in.  2 can play that game  The subjects were reactors and models and solar and wind Somehow it went to fox news, mexicans. 3d graders and short skirts. I again will end this segment on top by saying something  the warmers never, would never ever say, people look for the answers yourselves.       Its all about Control        Again, your set time that the world would end has come and gone. Base your whole argument on flawed models and still continue to deceive. A nursery schooler would see through this. My feathers are fine.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: charlys1954 on Apr 18, 2019, 04:57 PM
You won't see CNN or MSNBC reporting this but CNN has falling to 15th, below the Food Network. I used to watch CNN, I stopped long ago along with thousands of others. The Fox New channels has been #1 for years

After Mueller report, CNN sinks to 15th place
https://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2019/04-2019/after-mueller-report-cnn-sinks-to-15th-place/ (https://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2019/04-2019/after-mueller-report-cnn-sinks-to-15th-place/)

For at least two years, MSNBC and CNN devoted hour upon hour, day after day, to promoting the narrative that Trump colluded with the Russians, and that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III was going to prove it. That turned out to be wrong.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/15/admit-it-fox-news-has-been-right-all-along/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2149531b5dba (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/15/admit-it-fox-news-has-been-right-all-along/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2149531b5dba)



Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: charlys1954 on Apr 18, 2019, 05:09 PM
Fox News?

You mean the tabloid network that thinks Guatemala, Costa Rica, and Honduras are Mexican countries?


Guatemala, Costa Rica, and Honduras are Hispanic race countries just like Mexico. Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua all celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month. Fox news does not report all illegal immigrant who cross the border as Mexicans, Fox news names different countries entering illegal. Anyone who watches the Non-Fake News will know that.

NOTE: I'm a Independent, I voted Obama 1srt term, I soon regreted that and didn't make that mistake a 2nd time.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: taxid on Apr 18, 2019, 07:25 PM
Guatemala, Costa Rica, and Honduras are Hispanic race countries just like Mexico. Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua all celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month. Fox news does not report all illegal immigrant who cross the border as Mexicans, Fox news names different countries entering illegal. Anyone who watches the Non-Fake News will know that.

NOTE: I'm a Independent, I voted Obama 1srt term, I soon regreted that and didn't make that mistake a 2nd time.

Come on charly. They may be hispanic but they are not Mexican! That's like saying Canada is an American country!

Ah the "Fake News" catch phrase.  Any news one does't like is fake news right?

Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: taxid on Apr 18, 2019, 07:30 PM
Call it what you want. But the political loonies cbs,nbc,abc, cnn, cnbc,"pubic" broadcasting are all to busy fake newsing Trump and the Russians to cover any real news, which is anything that goes against the agenda set forth by their gods in the government. The c in all of these stations should really stand for communist. They even one up Pravda. They are doing it in a free country and free people are willing to follow them. Its all about control and the blind sheep that they prey on. By the way the mistake that Fox made didn't harm a thing but the global warming sham will bankrupt our country.  I also love how the warmers operate, change the subject and mock. I try to stay on subject and I try not to mock.. But when you do it you don't leave me much of a choice but to join in.  2 can play that game  The subjects were reactors and models and solar and wind Somehow it went to fox news, mexicans. 3d graders and short skirts. I again will end this segment on top by saying something  the warmers never, would never ever say, people look for the answers yourselves.       Its all about Control        Again, your set time that the world would end has come and gone. Base your whole argument on flawed models and still continue to deceive. A nursery schooler would see through this. My feathers are fine.

As one that has dabbled in journalism I know a tabloid network when I see one. And that one is Fox News. Outright lies on a regular basis. And I don't watch CNN. I got tired of it years ago.

So I'm guessing you think the media is the enemy of the people? Would you rather have state run news like they have in Russia? They have to get approval from the state and anything that may put the leadership in a bad light is nixed. Some journalists have even been murdered that dared to cross the line.

Hitler, Mossalini, Stalin, and Mao all called the media enemy of the people. Thats not a good group to emulate.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: charlys1954 on Apr 18, 2019, 09:42 PM
Come on charly. They may be hispanic but they are not Mexican! That's like saying Canada is an American country!

Ah the "Fake News" catch phrase.  Any news one does't like is fake news right?

You said:
Fox News?
You mean the tabloid network that thinks Guatemala, Costa Rica, and Honduras are Mexican countries?


My reply was pointed at that comment. You misunderstood, re-read it I never said those countries people where mexican.
You're listing to CNN/MSNBC to much, you should watch fox news to hear for yourself. Fox News does not call all border crossers Mexicans, they call them illegal imagrants. And when they mention countries they say the illegals come from all over the world and mention countries like Guatemala, Costa Rica, and Honduras. THey don't throw them all into Mexicans.

CNN is fake news, if they was true news then CNN wouldn't be 15th in April Neilson ratings with more people watching the food network than watch CNN.
Fake News, CNN/MSNBC spent 2 years saying every day/every hour that Trump colluded with Russia
Fake News said Nathan Phillips was a vet, he was not.
Fake News said Covington student Nick Sandmann harassed Phillips he didn't, Phillips approached the students and started beating a drum in his face.
Fake News said Trump told Cohen to lie, Muller replied that was a false.
I got hundreds of the same but I don't have the time.

The offtopic post have been mostly calm and piecefull but before "it" happens.  I requested to the moderator to close it.
Title: Re: 37 tonight,39 Sat night,34 Sun night....WTH?
Post by: fishinator on Apr 19, 2019, 08:14 AM
Less political talky talky, more fishy fishy.