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gudkatch

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Heres a story I just read in the Buffalo News.  I wonder how this will affect hard and soft water fishing for Non-Native Americans?

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050623/1071796.asp

BUFFALO NEWS 6/23/2005


The Seneca Nation of Indians won a land claim against the State of New York on Wednesday in a historic settlement.
U.S. District Judge John T. Curtin put his final stamp of approval on an agreement that requires the state to give the Senecas 51.3 acres of land in the popular Southern Tier cottage community of Cuba Lake.

The agreement is the result of a 1998 ruling by Curtin that the state illegally took the land in the 19th century for the development of an unsuccessful canal project.

Court officials called it the first Indian land claim settled by New York State in modern times.

"Congratulations to you," Curtin said to Senecas in his courtroom as he finalized the land transfer. "The state and federal governments settled this in a manner that's satisfactory, given the circumstances."

After being turned down in a previous effort to take over Grand Island, Seneca leaders were elated by Wednesday's court victory.

"This outcome marks a long and sustained effort by the nation to regain land that is rightfully ours," said Seneca Nation President Barry E. Snyder Sr., who joined other tribal leaders in Niagara Square for a news conference after Curtin's action.

But not everyone was pleased.

Seneca Nation member Joni Brooks had insisted to Curtin that a portion of the 51 acres belongs to her. Former cottage owner Melvin Neubauer complained that he should have been paid more for his property. Others expressed concern about boating safety issues and the possibility of commercial development by the tribe, which operates casinos in Niagara Falls and Salamanca.

However, the judge moved ahead and finalized the consent decree, telling Brooks and Neubauer that they have the right to file written complaints with the court for review at a later date.

Attorney Peter B. Sullivan, who represented the state in the negotiations, said state laws are already in place governing watercraft safety, though he acknowledged that questions exist on whether the laws apply to Seneca Nation members on the nation's portion of the lake.

As for future use of the land, Snyder said the Tribal Council will soon decide what to do with it. Rumors that the Seneca Nation might build another casino on the lakefront land were dismissed by tribal officials.

Curtin's approval ends a 20-year federal court battle over the land, which includes a portion of Cuba Lake, a dam, some roads, and 19 cottages and cottage lots.

The Senecas contended that the land has been rightfully theirs for centuries and that the state illegally took possession of the land in the 1800s.

Earlier this year, the state and the federal government split the expense of buying 19 lakeside cottages from private owners, at a cost of nearly $3.4 million. Under the agreement, the cottages and the land on which they sit have been turned over to the Senecas.

A number of prime properties were included, with some costing taxpayers as much as $285,000. Most of the sales were in the range of $140,000 to $170,000. The former owners of the cottages have all moved out. The settlement also requires the state to pay the Senecas $500,000.
The man who coined the phrase "money can't buy happiness" never bought himself a good flyrod.

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For a conquered people they have it OK. Others that have been in the same situation have met more sinister ends. The nations are quite similar to that of white European nations, only a few benefit from actions like this others are placed on the back burner. Know many natives that are opposed to smoke shops and other money generators that are to give money to the tribes for development and general welfare and it does not happen.
SOUNDS LIKE CRAP....
They have been mistrated in history, not by me or my family. Why should we bear the crosses???
Unification centuries ago would have been the ticket and complete rejection of the Europeans should have been their goal. Only problem is that greed took over and some tribes actively wanted to trade and prosper from European interaction.
One genration paying for the misdeeds of others, wounder what will happeen with the African American population and their claims??? Wonder who had it worse????
Disease killed more natives than anything some of it was intentional and some not, that whole Columbian exchange thing.
Sounds like sars and the world today.
THEY CAN take their claims and be thankful it could have been worse???
MY 2 cents and I know some will not like it, too bad it is AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder if they will bring in trailers and all the garbage like other areas???
Why no clean up what you have and stop complaining about what happened 150 years ago.
It is a shame to see it happen in MY view.
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wormwigglr

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yeah everyplace i have ever seen where they live looks like a junk yard and personally i don't think they value the land they have so why give them more. just because you get screwed out of land doesn't mean you can be a pig.

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I have alot to say on this one the only drawback would be it would be "REMOVED"
What I will say, is what happened long ago is water under the bridge.GET OVER IT,Why should we still be paying for the so called WRONG doings......

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I live in Oneida and have seen over the years it's all about money.  I'm good friends with several Oneida Indians that don't want to be associated in any way with their tribes and what's going on, and they'll tell you the same thing.  The Indians you see in the news that are causing the commotion are a VERY, VERY, VERY greedy bunch.  They line their pockets with money from their casino's, convenience stores, and cigarette sales, while the rest of their people line up for welfare.  Explain to me why they don't have to pay taxes?  How much should America charge these "Nations" for the protection our troops provide them every day? ???
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i have to agree with you guys. they paid over 3.5 million to buy those homes along the lake. the state paid half and the federal government paid half. that money comes out of mine and your taxes and what ever else they tax us for. besides paying for the homes they also had to give a settlement of 500 thousand to the tribe. what for? they got there land back along with 9 well developed homes that apparently are worth 3.5 mil. if its anybody that is getting bent over a barrel it is us . we keep paying for our ansisters mistakes while they milk the system. i wonder how many know that
the indian people receive gov checks every month just because they are indian. its pretty sad when you have to relye on something that happend 150yrs just to get your way in this world and use it to the fullest. i beleave the indian people have used this card way to much and they are going to continue til we say enough is enough. just my 2 sense.

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True fellas, true.
Wonder how it will effect the fishery???
Will there be more pressure and less regulation or enforcement??
I have been stopped plenty of times and had crappies measured by some of the best, polite DEC guys.
Just hate to see the change and I don't even own property there. Makes you want to ask yourself if it will affect the property values because there could be possible other claims??
Internet heros give it a rest!

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My recolection of history is that the Iroquois Nation, which included the Senecas, allied with the Brittish in the American War of Independence. I believe they lost. Now it would seem that while we won that battle, we are loosing the land claim war.

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It's not going to change and is only going to get worse unless average people start standing up and doing something about it. Write your congress man / woman and state / federal senator and tell them to stop allowing this to happen. If they don't go to the polls and vote them out. I know this was a court case but judges have to get there somehow. Take a look at what just happened yesterday in the supreme court. Any land owner can now have their property taken away as long as it is replaced by a piece of property that draws more revenue. Unless we the average guy starts saying enough is enough it will never end.

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It's not going to change and is only going to get worse unless average people start standing up and doing something about it. Write your congress man / woman and state / federal senator and tell them to stop allowing this to happen. If they don't go to the polls and vote them out. I know this was a court case but judges have to get there somehow. Take a look at what just happened yesterday in the supreme court. Any land owner can now have their property taken away as long as it is replaced by a piece of property that draws more revenue. Unless we the average guy starts saying enough is enough it will never end.

I know for a fact if that ever happens to me thats where I draw the line.

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Re: Senecas get Cuba Lake acreage in historic settlement with state
« Reply #10 on: Jun 24, 2005, 02:01 PM »
i agree with you guys,, i too have known and worked with many senecas. the ones i knew  where very hard working and honorable people. but!!! like i used to tell them i didnt do nothin to them and neither did anyone else i know.

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Re: Senecas get Cuba Lake acreage in historic settlement with state
« Reply #11 on: Jun 24, 2005, 02:18 PM »
HAHA ,,, THE REST OF MY POST. .. was    lest not forget they learned from the whiteman and they learned good.  i wonder whose pockets were lined in that deal at the expense of the tax payer as usual. im sure the properties where overvalued!!  now other properties in the area will also be over appraised .  like the casinoes i dont know why a white business man doesnt try for a casinoe why just indians ?? and on  land that was whitemans and turned into reservation for the sake of a casino.. hmmm sound fishy to me.. anyway i have been fishing cuba  and as for me it has been slow.. real slow.. i have seen some eyes caught  but not many. im beginning to think i forgot how to fish..  water temps went almost to 80 1 week and last week were back around 70..  had a algae bloom start and stop a few times.  lets hope the senecas JUST GET ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE AMERICANS ON THE LAKE.  i think it would be nice if they passed a law to night and we all woke up to more to find out . that there is only 1 people in this U.S.A   and thats AMERICAN,,,, nothin else i think wede all be better off..    FISH ON.    youngster

 



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