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Title: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: PIKEBAIT on Aug 21, 2018, 07:52 AM
When you go to the polls remember that Chris Sununu not only condemned the Lake Sunapee boat access but fired the NHF&G chairman because he , on behalf of the Commission, wrote to tell that governor that his decision was terrible.
Dick
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: Jethro on Aug 21, 2018, 01:39 PM
He is bad for sportsmen in general. And unfortunately a lot of Republicans blindly vote for him not knowing how liberal he leans.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: zwiggles on Aug 21, 2018, 02:11 PM
I wouldn’t lump all the repubs together jethro. I know a lot of N.H. citizens vote based off of their own well informed opinions. I know a few who voted for him in hopes that he would help the economy even though they had concerns as sportsman considering his families history.

Read a bunch of articles today on it. It just stinks.

I was personally ok with the recommendations the commission made. I just dont think the wild goose project will ever work with the homeowners up there being who they are.

That said I am upset off that the commission has not followed up on any of their recommendations. It really makes it look like all the naysayers were right in that the goose was already cooked before the commission ever met.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: BrookieSlayer99 on Aug 23, 2018, 05:02 PM

That said I am upset off that the commission has not followed up on any of their recommendations. It really makes it look like all the naysayers were right in that the goose was already cooked before the commission ever met.
I think I saw that one coming hehe
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: swnoel on Aug 26, 2018, 09:56 AM
I don't think he's an enemy of F&G and the public... sounds like the people around the lake are! He made a good suggestion and maybe it's time to work with the communities around the lake... over 20 years and this is still going on!!! He's not the problem...


NEWBURY — Gov. Chris Sununu on Friday brought an abrupt end to a controversial 23-year campaign to build a state-owned, public boat ramp on Lake Sunapee, calling it a “flawed plan” that should be replaced by a viable alternative in future years.

The state Fish and Game Commission had recommended another extension for state wetland permits issued to the so-called Wild Goose site on property the state has owned since 1990.

But abutting towns along the lake — along with environmental groups, state lawmakers and most residents — grew to oppose the development as too expensive, too environmentally disruptive and providing an unsafe traffic link to Route 103.

“We have heard the concerns of the residents of Newbury, Sunapee and the surrounding towns. Enough is enough,” Sununu said. “ ... This project has been debated for the last 20 years and it is time to put an end to this flawed plan. Public access to our state’s waterways is important and essential, and we will work with the residents of the area to find a better solution to ensure greater public access.”
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: PIKEBAIT on Aug 31, 2018, 09:30 AM
I'm afraid your wrong on this issue.   Governor Sununu ended the Wild Goose project because he was pressured by a well healed group of Sunapee Republicans, who promised to promote his political agenda.  He decided that he was more important than the boaters and fishermen of NH.  Keep in mind that he fired the chairman of the NH F&G commission because the commission wrote a letter criticizing his arbitrary condemnation of the proposed Sunapee access.  The project had been delayed for 20 years because of legal action from a very wealthy Lake Sunapee Assoc. membership.
It only awaited funding by the State House that had rejected the funding as a result of the Governor's pressure. 
I think the firing of the Commission chair was a not too subtle hint that the F&G executive director who be careful of voicing his opinion on the governor's action.
More like something that would take place at the Trump white house. 
I'm a Republican but I wouldn't vote for him just because I have too respond to my party affiliation.

Dick
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: oldspud on Aug 31, 2018, 02:54 PM
I will not vote for him again. As a life long republican I'm starting to wonder where  are the people who stand for me. I don't see anyone in either party. We need to make our vote's count. mine won't be for Sununu I'm just not sure if there are any sportsman friendly candidates.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: PIKEBAIT on Sep 01, 2018, 09:44 AM
I will not vote for him again. As a life long republican I'm starting to wonder where  are the people who stand for me. I don't see anyone in either party. We need to make our vote's count. mine won't be for Sununu I'm just not sure if there are any sportsman friendly candidates.
Republicans are a sad lot at this time,  but I'm afraid neither party offers little appeal?
Dick
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: taxid on Sep 01, 2018, 11:25 AM
I rarely vote party line unless I want to send a message to a particular party, which I will do this fall. I usually do my homework and vote for whoever I feel suits my interests and the people. Some real humdingers squeak in just because people vote party line. And some people are too lazy to do their homework.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: zwiggles on Sep 01, 2018, 12:50 PM
I rarely vote party line unless I want to send a message to a particular party, which I will do this fall. I usually do my homework and vote for whoever I feel suits my interests and the people. Some real humdingers squeak in just because people vote party line. And some people are too lazy to do their homework.

This thread is doomed I fear.....

But, I can attest that you can do a lot of “homework” and still come to the conclusion of voting along party lines. I am a registered independent. I have voted in primaries of both sides for gubernatorial, and presidential elections. Even after lots of work sometimes it’s hard to justify against voting along “party lines”.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: swnoel on Sep 01, 2018, 04:43 PM
This state has been Democratically controlled for years with NOTHING getting done... why the outrage now???
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: taxid on Sep 01, 2018, 08:32 PM
This thread is doomed I fear.....

But, I can attest that you can do a lot of “homework” and still come to the conclusion of voting along party lines. I am a registered independent. I have voted in primaries of both sides for gubernatorial, and presidential elections. Even after lots of work sometimes it’s hard to justify against voting along “party lines”.

You can register as an independent in your state? We don't register as anything here in my state. They just ask us if we are voting democrat or republican in the primary and we have to vote one party or the other. Then in the fall we can vote for all parties at once. But I consider myself an independent voter because I don't usually vote along party lines in the fall. We had a democrat county official here that wanted to dredge straight all the streams and a major river. Allegedly the republicans get pointed to for that kind of attitude. Not true in his case. You can't always tell by party affiliation.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: zwiggles on Sep 01, 2018, 10:54 PM
You can register as an independent in your state? We don't register as anything here in my state. They just ask us if we are voting democrats or republican in the primary and we have to vote one party or the other. Then in the fall we can vote for all parties at once. But I consider myself an independent voter because I don't usually vote along party lines in the fall. We had a democrat county official here that wanted to dredge straight all the streams and a major river. Allegedly the republicans get pointed to for that kind of attitude. Not true in his case. You can't always tell by party affiliation.

NH is quite unique in our processes’ for voting, and primaries. I am a registered independent, and I can register for either primary, and then re-register as an independent in a matter of minutes when I go to vote.

Other states make this very tedious to do, and most people don’t/can’t do it like we can. It allows you to cast a “meaningful” vote in a presidential primary regardless of party affiliation essentially. It’s one of many reasons why the NH pres primary is considered a good forecast for the larger general election where everyone can vote for either party regardless of what they are registered as.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: taxid on Sep 02, 2018, 07:40 AM
NH is quite unique in our processes’ for voting, and primaries. I am a registered independent, and I can register for either primary, and then re-register as an independent in a matter of minutes when I go to vote.

Other states make this very tedious to do, and most people don’t/can’t do it like we can. It allows you to cast a “meaningful” vote in a presidential primary regardless of party affiliation essentially. It’s one of many reasons why the NH pres primary is considered a good forecast for the larger general election where everyone can vote for either party regardless of what they are registered as.

Very interesting and the way it should be. It amazes me all the barriers we still have at the state level in many states. And don't even get me started on the gerrymandering that both major parties engage in.

I'lll never forget applying for a state hatchery summer job way back in 1975 before heading off to college that fall for a fisheries degree. At the time we had what was called a patronage clearance form. That is, you had to get the signatures of all the local politicians of the party in power at the time and pledge 2 percent of your wages to the party in power. I was very naive at the time and and a little defiant. When one of the precinct committeeman noticed I had not put down the party of my preference he commented, "Son I see you haven't put down your party. I'll tell you right now if you don't put down ____________ you won't get that job." I put down the other party in defiance and sure enough never heard anything again about the job. Fortunately a future governor got rid of patronage clearance forms.

Hard to believe something like this occurred in the United States of America doesn't it?
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: PIKEBAIT on Sep 02, 2018, 12:59 PM
This state has been Democratically controlled for years with NOTHING getting done... why the outrage now???
I thought I brought up the fact that are NH governor will give NHF&G only what his Republican backers permit him to approve?     He sold us out on the Sunapee boat access proposal. 

I vote on a Republican ballot for the primaries but I'm all over the place when it finally comes to election time. 
Dick
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: taxid on Sep 02, 2018, 01:06 PM
I thought I brought up the fact that are NH governor will give NHF&G only what his Republican backers permit him to approve?     He sold us out on the Sunapee boat access proposal. 

I vote on a Republican ballot for the primaries but I'm all over the place when it finally comes to election time. 
Dick

Which is the way it should be. I don't think you can automatically peg a party as being for and against something all the time.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: swnoel on Sep 03, 2018, 05:44 AM
I thought I brought up the fact that are NH governor will give NHF&G only what his Republican backers permit him to approve?     He sold us out on the Sunapee boat access proposal. 

I vote on a Republican ballot for the primaries but I'm all over the place when it finally comes to election time. 
Dick

Sounds like this has been a issue for years... why is it a Republicans fault when Democrats have been in power for years? He has more issues to deal with than this political hot potato that's existed for decades. I think he made it clear that this needs to be ironed out by the locals , they need to solve it or take it to court. No matter what he decides someone would be upset! I think he made the right decision... people need to start working things out among themselves with LESS government force!
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: BrookieSlayer99 on Sep 03, 2018, 10:13 AM
Sounds like this has been a issue for years... why is it a Republicans fault when Democrats have been in power for years? He has more issues to deal with than this political hot potato that's existed for decades. I think he made it clear that this needs to be ironed out by the locals , they need to solve it or take it to court. No matter what he decides someone would be upset! I think he made the right decision... people need to start working things out among themselves with LESS government force!
Well all that he did is kill the one site that had a hope of becoming an access site. I find it highly unlikely that any other launching site would be "welcomed" on Sunapee by the locals and Lake Association alike.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: zwiggles on Sep 03, 2018, 10:30 AM
Well all that he did is kill the one site that had a hope of becoming an access site. I find it highly unlikely that any other launching site would be "welcomed" on Sunapee by the locals and Lake Association alike.

They had been “working” on getting that site approved for 20+ Years. Their pockets are deeper than the states. We need another solution.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: PIKEBAIT on Sep 03, 2018, 11:52 AM
Sounds like this has been a issue for years... why is it a Republicans fault when Democrats have been in power for years? He has more issues to deal with than this political hot potato that's existed for decades. I think he made it clear that this needs to be ironed out by the locals , they need to solve it or take it to court. No matter what he decides someone would be upset! I think he made the right decision... people need to start working things out among themselves with LESS government force!

It was a Republican governor's fault.  He chose this "hot potato".   The project needed an extension of the existing DES approval permit.  It was to be discussed at his governor's council meeting but he refused to let them hear it!!   That means that he took it out of the hands of NHF&G , NHDES and his own governor's council. 
Also, remember that the waters of NH belong the all the citizens, not just the locals and wealthy shoreline owners!!
Think how much water access we would have if we always had to ask for local community approval?
Dick
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: swnoel on Sep 03, 2018, 01:17 PM
Come on now...access sucks in NH! Maine is light years ahead of NH with access both fresh and saltwater! This has been a problem forever and it's not Sununu's fault... but you can blame him if you want, maybe even throw in Trump for good measures...
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: Jethro on Sep 04, 2018, 09:30 AM
This is probably a really dumb suggestion or already been considered, but how come they can't just dredge the channel at the State Park to allow deeper boats to access? What is that called, Chandler Brook? There is a ramp and parking already and it's just to shallow for anything other than small skiffs. I know dredging is a huge environmental nightmare and maybe it wouldn't even work, but how come they can't make that site work somehow, even if they made a new launch on that site somewhere?
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: zwiggles on Sep 04, 2018, 10:36 AM
That sounds way too logical jethro...
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: meatandmetal on Sep 04, 2018, 06:24 PM
I'm voting for "Jethro"!   :flag:
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: Jethro on Sep 05, 2018, 09:51 AM
I'm voting for "Jethro"!   :flag:

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: PIKEBAIT on Sep 08, 2018, 12:59 PM
Seemed like a possible alternative  to F&G but NH Parks and Recreation completely disqualified the possibility because of wetland excavation (at a spawning stream) and lack of potential trailer parking. 
Dick
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: Jethro on Sep 11, 2018, 12:26 PM
Seemed like a possible alternative  to F&G but NH Parks and Recreation completely disqualified the possibility because of wetland excavation (at a spawning stream) and lack of potential trailer parking. 
Dick

Well I understand the wetland excavation but the trailer parking argument is strange, there are 14 trailer parking spaces there currently.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Sep 19, 2018, 01:56 PM
Id pick a different lake.  Why swim upstream and who wants to stare at a fully developed shoreline anyways. 
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: Jethro on Sep 25, 2018, 08:12 AM
Id pick a different lake.  Why swim upstream and who wants to stare at a fully developed shoreline anyways.

All the big lakes are developed, can't escape that if you want big, deep lakes in NH.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Sep 25, 2018, 08:49 AM
All the big lakes are developed, can't escape that if you want big, deep lakes in NH.

True.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: taxid on Sep 26, 2018, 09:47 AM
All the big lakes are developed, can't escape that if you want big, deep lakes in NH.

If you want to see developed lakes some to the midwest. I haven't seen anything in the northeast like the development out here. A complete row of houses around a lake, a perimeter road, then another row of houses, and many times even more houses. Almost completely ringed with concrete seawalls. Two lakes near me have been incorporated as towns. And the anchoring and fishing in those lakes in the summer is like sitting in the middle of a carnival with the waves going up and down like a hurricane. Don't even get me started on the rude and ignorant boaters and personal watercraft users.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: Jethro on Oct 03, 2018, 07:31 AM
If you want to see developed lakes some to the midwest. I haven't seen anything in the northeast like the development out here. A complete row of houses around a lake, a perimeter road, then another row of houses, and many times even more houses. Almost completely ringed with concrete seawalls. Two lakes near me have been incorporated as towns. And the anchoring and fishing in those lakes in the summer is like sitting in the middle of a carnival with the waves going up and down like a hurricane. Don't even get me started on the rude and ignorant boaters and personal watercraft users.

Yeah, I suppose we should count our blessings. I have heard that about many lakes out there, like the Great Ozark Lake for example. If you go to Google Earth and look at the satellite imagery it's just insane the amount of houses. I think there are said to be 50,000 houses on that lake. Not possible on even the largest lakes here in the Northeast. And I have heard the same about ignorant boaters and PWC users out there.
Title: Re: Governor Sununu is an enemy of NHF&G Remember in Nov.
Post by: taxid on Oct 03, 2018, 09:55 AM
I will probably offend someone here but I was in Ozark country with the wife a few years ago and was not impressed. What they consider mountains are not mountains in my book, and to call some of the areas down there tourist traps is an understatement. I abhor tourist traps.

Let's just hope your lakes don't end up like ours.