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My Fish Finder Main => General Fishing Discussion => Topic started by: brokenline on Aug 24, 2009, 10:52 AM
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i just picked up some 14lb fireline and decided to go carpin. i see one take my $9 floating rapala set the hook then snap it breaks, i use polamar knots, 6lb drag it breask usually 6" above the knot even just by casting some times.. its not me its the line.. i have 10 lb on a nother rod and could wihp it like afly rod witha 1lb wight on it and it wouldnt break grrr!
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I had the same problem when I first started using the stuff... I changed my knot and was golden!!!
The line is super strong and zero stretch, and can pull most knots on a strong hook set.
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I think ya jinxed yourself "brokenline" ;) :P ;D
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haha, i didn't catch that!!!!!
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Maybe you shouldnt set the hook so hard. Braid has NO stretch, so when you jerk hard it will snap every time. 14lb is very light for snagging. And buy a snagging hook.. they are like $2.
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when i first put the stuff on it would break casting now it only breaks when i have expinsive stuff on.. i ususally just give the rod a pull and the carp freak out and set in their own mouths.. the knot is not breaking its the line like a foot up form the lure..
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brokenline, you got brokenline, get rid of that fireline!!!!--Kp
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Its from the shockwave. When you cast there is a whip action which causes a shockwave to go through your line, mono will stretch and not break but braid will break. Same goes for your hook set. The key with braid is to use a SMOOTH reel and to make a nice and smooth casts, no sudden stops or jerks. Step it up to 20lb and you wont have any more problems. I use 50lb and 65lb and it works perfectly.
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i'v had the same problem as you, casting or setting the hook and even when jigging through the ice i don't know how many lures and fish i'v lost on that stuff, makes a good leader but i don't use it on my reels any more
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ive never had a problem with it ive been using 6lb fireline this year and ive caught nice bass and pike on it with no breaks......i refuse to use anything besides fireline and spiderwire
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ive never had a problem with it ive been using 6lb fireline this year and ive caught nice bass and pike on it with no breaks......i refuse to use anything besides fireline and spiderwire
It shocks me the ammount of problems that people have with it. Ive had the same line on my reels for 2 years, and only broke 3 times. Both spinning and bait casters. I've caught hundreds of bass, and multiple pike over 10 lbs with it. I use 14lb on my spinning, and 20lb on my baitcasters, and am basically trouble free. As of now, i'll nver use any other type of line.
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keep in mind this is fireline fused crystal.. i can get a snag and yank as hard as i want before the anchor pulls snap the rod back in forth till the snag comes out but when ever i get a fish over 10 lbs it breaks on me..
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keep in mind this is fireline fused crystal.. i can get a snag and yank as hard as i want before the anchor pulls snap the rod back in forth till the snag comes out but when ever i get a fish over 10 lbs it breaks on me..
i wonder if thats the stuff im using is it white? now that i think about it my 6lb may even be fireline thats made for icefishing ahaha.....oh well if it aint broke dont fix it in my case.....do you wet your knots? also maybe you just have a bad batch?
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http://www.thornebros.com/winter/line/berkley_firelineice.html (http://www.thornebros.com/winter/line/berkley_firelineice.html)
thats what i have on one of my rods the ice crystal its white and its awesome IMO
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but when ever i get a fish over 10 lbs it breaks on me..
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Draaaaaaaaaaag ;D ;D ;D.. If its too tight, its a no stretch line and will eventually break. Its not like mono that has some give/stretch to it.
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I think its funny when people think that since they put braid on that they dont need drag anymore. They seem to think they are fishing with steel cable or something. You also want the drag to go off a little on hard hooksets or the line will break. Something has to give and its either going to be the line or your rod.
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well I have had problems with Berkley Trilene XL line and sensation line, so I think they may just be using bad material. No problems with Stren! ;D
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Fireline for me tried and true....been using it for about 6 years, zero problems. I use 30lb test 8lb diameter on all my pike rods and 20lb test 6lb diameter on bass rods. set your drag right, use the right knot (palomar), make sure you wet the line before you cinch it.
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Another problem you might be having is line fraying. Fireline requires smooth nylon eye guides. If you have one missing and its just metal, then that could do it. Check your line for little ticks and cuts. Also check your reel roller (I'm assuming a spinning reel...but might be wrong). So check anything on your rod/reel the line comes in contact with, any damage will really tear up the fireline. I've been using fireline, for a long time, but only for certain fishing situations. Pretty much I only use it when fishing in deep water when 0 stretch is necessary (try to feel a northern pick up a jig 60 ft down, and how ever far away with mono...). For almost all other applications I still use mono or florocarbon. Hope this helps
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I use 14lb fire line on 2 top water rods,ones 6 1/2 ft the other is 7 1/2 ft both med heavy action, I can whip a 4 inch Zara Spook a long ways.
I like a long cast using fire line and top waters. It seams the further away from the lure I am when I get a strike the more hook ups I get.
Never had a break off..
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Power Pro for me..Not one issue in 2 years..
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Another problem you might be having is line fraying. Fireline requires smooth nylon eye guides. If you have one missing and its just metal, then that could do it. Check your line for little ticks and cuts. Also check your reel roller (I'm assuming a spinning reel...but might be wrong). So check anything on your rod/reel the line comes in contact with, any damage will really tear up the fireline. I've been using fireline, for a long time, but only for certain fishing situations. Pretty much I only use it when fishing in deep water when 0 stretch is necessary (try to feel a northern pick up a jig 60 ft down, and how ever far away with mono...). For almost all other applications I still use mono or florocarbon. Hope this helps
I think he is on to something. Always breaking between 6 and 12 inches from lure? That's about where the line is when making casts. My guess is tip guide.
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I've used Fireline since it first came on the market and it has worked extremely well for me. I have caught many fish in excess of 20 lbs. with it and breakage is never a problem. I've had fish absolutely destroy lures, but the line is still attached. I believe that there is a problem, but I find it hard to believe that it is the Fireline.
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It could just be a bad spool of line. Had a spool of fluorocarbon last year that had a weak spot every 6 ft.
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WHEN YOU HAVE BRAIDED SNAPPING LIKE THAT 99% OF THE TIME YOU HAVE A BURR IN A GUIDE OR ON THE BAIL YOU FRAY THAT STUFF AND IT SNAPS EVERYTIME WETHER IT'S FIRELINE OR POWER PRO! I HAVE ALSO SEEN BAD SPOOLS OF IT SO IT IT BREAKS A FEW TIMES SPOOL IT BACK AND TAKE IT BACK! FOR THE COST DEMAND IT'S RIGHT.... I USE IT WORMING AND SALT WATER FISHING AND I RAM THAT HOOK HOME! THE BEND IN THE ROD SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THE NO STRECH PROBLEM ;D RUN A Q TIP THREW YOUR GUIDES SEE IT A BURR PULLS ON THE COTTON .....
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Had it stuck in the trees along shore and pulled the boat to land. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I use the 15 lb round fireline and absolutely love it! Last winter though, I used the flat crap and had nothing but problems with it. Never go flat again!! The round ties a great knot, takes the lickin and keeps on tickin!! I fish rocks, weeds, flats and all kinds of structure. No problem with the round. Mind you, the pro bass hook sets have to change a bit...lol. Good luck with it, after you get used to good fireline you'll never go back to mono.
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I use the 15 lb round fireline and absolutely love it! Last winter though, I used the flat crap and had nothing but problems with it. Never go flat again!! The round ties a great knot, takes the lickin and keeps on tickin!! I fish rocks, weeds, flats and all kinds of structure. No problem with the round. Mind you, the pro bass hook sets have to change a bit...lol. Good luck with it, after you get used to good fireline you'll never go back to mono.
That last statement is totaly bogus. I can name a bunch of reasons you would want mono (our flouro) over braid.
1: Topwater baits (to keep the bait on the surface, braid sinks)
2: Crankbaits( to get maximum depth out of cranks, braid resists water which makes baits ride up higher in the water column)
3: Fishing clear water (braid is visible)
4: Slip bobber fishing (braid doesn't slip through the bobbers very well)
5: Throwing light lures (braid will dig into itself and make casting light lures very difficult)
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That last statement is totaly bogus. I can name a bunch of reasons you would want mono (our flouro) over braid.
1: Topwater baits (to keep the bait on the surface, braid sinks)
2: Crankbaits( to get maximum depth out of cranks, braid resists water which makes baits ride up higher in the water column)
3: Fishing clear water (braid is visible)
4: Slip bobber fishing (braid doesn't slip through the bobbers very well)
5: Throwing light lures (braid will dig into itself and make casting light lures very difficult)
I too will NEVER go back to mono!!!!
I use fireline for topwater and never have it drag the lure down.
I get the same results with cranks baits, and can hit the same depth marks with fireline.
I use fireline and slip bobbers all the time with zero problems.
I use light rapalas and feel fireline casts better than mono due to no memory.
Sorry to disagree with ya, but I can cast twice as far with fireline, and get a great hook set from further distances.. No more feeling like I have to reel in 40-50' to get a solid hook set
Everyone needs different lines for different applications....
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I'm with Pike.
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Love braid with top waters and crank baits but my worm and tube rods have fluorocarbon on them.
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so whats up with this "flat fireline."?? I've never seen it. I've only seen the round stuff. Is it made that way??
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so whats up with this "flat fireline."?? I've never seen it. I've only seen the round stuff. Is it made that way??
I believe that the origionals were flat???.....I still have some on some of my ultra lite reels that I ice fish with......Pretty sure that the new line is all round & personally think that it is far superior, to the flat.......All my vertical fishing is w/ fire line.......Have several spools of the bi-color on back order.......Think it will be the cats meow for me.( easier to see)....Lou
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Thanks Lou,
I'd never seen or heard of it before, even being a large fan of the stuff.
I can't imagine flat line would be all too effective.
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Braid is round, super lines are flat.
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Braid is round, super lines are flat.
From your own words"That last statement is totaly bogus."
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Its 100% true, look it up.
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I did!!! and it's 100% BS.
Superline is just a buzzword that includes braided line. So they are one in the same.
There is only one flat line out there that I can find, and it is called RipCord.
A quote from Berkley,
" Whiplash quickly became our preferred braid last year. It's thinner than all other braids with the exception of RipCord Si, but that line is flat so diameter can be deceiving."
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Braid is round, super lines are flat.
I've said it once and I'll say it again "Sometimes it's best to remain silent and be thought the fool than to speak and remove all doubt" :laugh: I'll say one thing for you BBK, for 18 years old you sure are a wealth of knowledge.
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The older superlines like Power Pro and Spider Fusion will flatten out like a ribbon. It is not an ideal situation because it will dig into the spool and knot up for no apparent reason. In the beginning they made reels to combat this problem. The modern superlines like stealth are pressure treated to keep them round. This was a major advancement in the world of superbraid. I have 4 year old stealth that is still round and very manageable.
Are all superbraids flat? No
Are some superbraids flat? Yes, and they are no fun to fish with
Will some superlines flatten out with use? Yes, that means it is time to toss it.
If you super line haters have not tried the newer pressure treated stuff like stealth, it may surprise you if you give it a chance.
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super line is not braid.
Braid is braided strands coated in a wax. Super lines are fused strands. Your arguing with someone that spends his life bass fishing.
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I did!!! and it's 100% BS.
Superline is just a buzzword that includes braided line. So they are one in the same.
There is only one flat line out there that I can find, and it is called RipCord.
A quote from Berkley,
" Whiplash quickly became our preferred braid last year. It's thinner than all other braids with the exception of RipCord Si, but that line is flat so diameter can be deceiving."
Superlines - Gel-spun polyethylene is heated, then pulled to make strands. The strands are then compressed and bonded together to make one single strand. Fused line is strong, abrasion resistant, has no stretch and no memory.
Braid - Typically made from woven fibers of either nylon or Spectra-type material. The strands are woven tight and compressed. This causes the line to be very thin for it's rated breakng strength, no stretch, and highly visable (with the exception of a select few newer braids that attempt to be semi-transparent).
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I will give you an A+ on how the lines are made. But they are made from the same materials but are assembled differently. They are all classified as "superline". Read this article from in-fisherman, called "The Superline Spectrum" I think they know a bit more about fishing than you but maybe not.
http://www.in-fisherman.com/content/superline-spectrum (http://www.in-fisherman.com/content/superline-spectrum)
The only reason I said anything to you is because you basically called engineman a liar!! Otherwise I would have let your statements go in one ear and out the other. All you had to say to engineman was "You may like fireline but in my opinion it is not a good line for what I do". Instead you chose to call him a liar by saying what he stated was "Bogus". Learn some manners kid and you will go far in life.
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I will give you an A+ on how the lines are made. But they are made from the same materials but are assembled differently. They are all classified as "superline". Read this article from in-fisherman, called "The Superline Spectrum" I think they know a bit more about fishing than you but maybe not.
http://www.in-fisherman.com/content/superline-spectrum (http://www.in-fisherman.com/content/superline-spectrum)
The only reason I said anything to you is because you basically called engineman a liar!! Otherwise I would have let your statements go in one ear and out the other. All you had to say to engineman was "You may like fireline but in my opinion it is not a good line for what I do". Instead you chose to call him a liar by saying what he stated was "Bogus". Learn some manners kid and you will go far in life.
:clapping: Well said Gambler.
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The only reason I said anything to you is because you basically called engineman a liar!! Otherwise I would have let your statements go in one ear and out the other. All you had to say to engineman was "You may like fireline but in my opinion it is not a good line for what I do". Instead you chose to call him a liar by saying what he stated was "Bogus". Learn some manners kid and you will go far in life.
Well said x2.
not good form to insult people on public forums.... can disagree all you want, but keep it somewhat positive.
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Well said x2.
not good form to insult people on public forums.... can disagree all you want, but keep it somewhat positive.
Thats funny... because every time I say something about people being rude I get the same answer... "Its a public forum what did you expect?"
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McCoy Mean Green Braided Spectra Superline 300 yards; 50 lb.
PowerPro Braided Superline 1500 yd Spools - PowerPro Braided Superline 1500 yd Spools. With PowerPro Superlines you get longer, smoother casts; Better handling; Superior knot performance; Less burying ...
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just notice braided is advertised as super line fireline has "what they call " a superline .....braided is also called superline by everyone! i know this because i deal with reps from power pro and berkley
bbk you talk to much and listen to little
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i use braided on top water too no problems use it in the salt too great stuff in clear water you can run a leader of flora or mono, getting back to the origal post i still think you either have a burr in a guide or on bale or got a bad spool! i had the same problem with a spool of power pro ended up i had a burr in a guide
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i picked up some 20 lb today and well see if that stuff breaks..
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Just a thought BL, do you use fireline on several different poles with the same result=Brokenline (sorry no pun intended). Maybe spool up another pole or 2 and try them also that might narrow it down to a line problem or a burr on a guide or bale as Trap has mentioned. Just a thought.
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guys this thread is about line not wether line is flat or round.. its like arguing about cow crap.. some of it just comes out a little different every time and every farmer will have a different opinion on it..btw the 20lb stuff rocks!!
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just watch your hands brokenline i seen some guys to cut bad on it most saltwater guys use a figher cap or a glove just to cast it!
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i have the fire line on all my rods this is the only time ive had a problem.. btw.. smaller diamater line will go deeper.. braids are generaly thinner compared to monos of the same poundage less surface area in the water..
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btw the 20lb stuff rocks!!
By far my favorite lb test. I use the 14 on my spining reels, and have tried the 30 lb. But 20 lb i think is best for most applications(bass and pike.... probalby wouldn't use 20 lb on a brook trout pole.)
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Well hopefully the 20lb stuff will be hassle free for ya. Let me know how ya like it, I might pick some up.
Good fishin'
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Well hopefully the 20lb stuff will be hassle free for ya. Let me know how ya like it, I might pick some up.
Good fishin'
Well worth the $15... i would suggest using some old mono as a backing, and only putting 40-50' of fireline on. Cuts down on the price a little.
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yeah or however you're longest casts are..
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You have to use mono backing if you have an aluminum or graphite spool. Otherwise the braid will damage it.
Braid does not cut through the water better then mono or flouro.
The line diameter is just one factor. Braid is not a smooth round line which means it will cause more drag in the water then mono or flouro would.
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guys this thread is about line not wether line is flat or round.. its like arguing about cow crap.. some of it just comes out a little different every time and every farmer will have a different opinion on it..btw the 20lb stuff rocks!!
Sorry for tramping on your thread.
Please accept my apologies.
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Sorry for tramping on your thread.
Please accept my apologies.
Sarcasm ??
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No sarcasm intended.
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it dont bother me, gives a guy something to read lol! if im not going to the fair i will let you know how the 20 lb stuff holds up to carpin..
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you want to use a small amount of mono on your spool so the line doesn't slip! the line on your reel will litterally spin on the spool!....i learned that the hard way and at the wrong time .... i use it alot fishing and find that it works very well once your use to it! i think you'll love the 20 i use that for most of my worm rods i just use a floracarbon leader .... i think the extra distance and strength more then makes up for any of the problems .... the damage to a spool doesn't happen because of lack of stretch but rather from the line spinning on the spool a few wraps of mono cures that!
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you want to use a small amount of mono on your spool so the line doesn't slip! the line on your reel will litterally spin on the spool!....i learned that the hard way and at the wrong time .... i use it alot fishing and find that it works very well once your use to it! i think you'll love the 20 i use that for most of my worm rods i just use a floracarbon leader .... i think the extra distance and strength more then makes up for any of the problems .... the damage to a spool doesn't happen because of lack of stretch but rather from the line spinning on the spool a few wraps of mono cures that!
Trapper,You are: "SPOT ON"....... :thumbup_smilie: - Lou
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you want to use a small amount of mono on your spool so the line doesn't slip! the line on your reel will litterally spin on the spool!....i learned that the hard way and at the wrong time .... i use it alot fishing and find that it works very well once your use to it! i think you'll love the 20 i use that for most of my worm rods i just use a floracarbon leader .... i think the extra distance and strength more then makes up for any of the problems .... the damage to a spool doesn't happen because of lack of stretch but rather from the line spinning on the spool a few wraps of mono cures that!
A single wrap of cloth athletic tape on the spool works good to. I have been doing this for years.
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I also use F.L. 8 lb for trolling eyes , and jigging , 4 lb for ice fishing eyes and perch ,and I set the hook quite hard with no problem ,and I only use the preferred clinch ,but like trapper first time I used it with no backer line spun on the spool , thanks skipper for that idea on the cloth
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good tip skip!!!!! thank you bud i never heard of that one
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cloth duct tape works also.
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The glue runs out of duct tape when it gets hot out, and it will wreck your line. I tried that one, hockey stick tape does the same thing.
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Really? I have never noticed it. guess I will strip my braid reels down tomorrow and take it off.
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If it is going to do it, it will do it on the first warm day. If it has been on there for a while you may be fine. You will know if it happens because your line will be slimy and gooey at the bottom of the spool. If you let it go, your guides will get full of it and it will even spread to the blank. The next thing you know, it is all over your tackle box, trolling motor handle, and the steering wheel in your pickup. It is a real mess! I only did it once when I was out of athletic tape, and I will never do it again! >:(
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Maybe it hasn't happened because its only been over 90 twice this year.
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Or maybe the duct tape you used is good for higher tempratures. I think I used the good old fasioned 3M scotch duct tape, I always keep a roll around.
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After tying the line to my spool I put a wrap of electrical tape over the loop. No spins anymore.
Catching that first fish without the tape on the reel was no fun at all.
How often do you get completely spooled by a fish to have problems with the tape?
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i filled mine up with no backing.. should i go back and back it??
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i filled mine up with no backing.. should i go back and back it??
I WOULD!.......Might save you a lot of aggravation???? Lou
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brokinline yesssss go back and put some backing on it or it will cost ya
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i filled mine up with no backing.. should i go back and back it??
I would also, for the same two reasons in the last few posts, and also to spread the line out a little. I can usually spool 3-4 feels buy putting backing on (cheap mono or fleuro) That stuff's not cheap at $15-16 for 125 yds.
Just make sure you have enough on to cover your casts!!!!
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Clean spool, Dacron backing, proper knot.
Arbor Knot (http://www.netknots.com/html/arbor_knot.html)
1 extra wrap around the spool is always good.
RG
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one word. MONO
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I have a couple of rods set up with Spiderwire Fusion for trolling junk for walleye. Never had a problem and seldom lose a lure...or fish. Tried Fireline a few times....didn't like it.
RG
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Power Pro comes with a few small adhesive pads to stick to the hub of the spool...
Wrapping twice over that stuff and tying tight sure seems to keep 'er in place...
I am definately among the ranks who swore against Power Pro for several years when it first came out. But as more guys started using it for Tarpon down in the Everglades I finally caved in and spooled a big reel with it.
As the years went by, more and more rigs in my collection went to Power Pro...
Now it is on just about everything... All the way down to 8lb on the ultralights. That stuff is no joke!
I am a full-blown convert now these past few years. There is no doubt my crankbaits troll WAY deeper on the braid. And my topwater frogs are sweet on the stuff. The braid cuts lily pads N-I-C-E!!!
And my 1/16oz jigheads SAIL out there on the lighter lb test PowerPro... Amazing, really.
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once again i didnt get to fish. some kids ran out of gas and needed a pull.. then my motor started acting up on the way home..so spent most of the morning rebuilding the carb, timing and fuel pump.. hopefully soon tho..