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MFF US Northeast => Maine => Topic started by: joefishmore on Jul 07, 2018, 10:41 AM
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Anybody tried waxing braid to get less knots ?
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I run braid on all my down rigger rods and every 5-6 trips out I'll cut off about 20' and tie the leader back on, one of the costs of doing business.
I also run two of the best barrel swivels you can buy and find the line will still twist.
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I’m sure I could google it, but what is the advantage of running braid while trolling in Maine?
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I’m sure I could google it, but what is the advantage of running braid while trolling in Maine?
No line stretch
Doesn't go to crap in the sun and ozone like mono, so lasts WAY longer
Small line diameter vs mono which allows it to sink quicker and deeper.
Typically, higher break strength per pound test rating - which I still cannot understand why.
I use braid on all rods except my steelhead rods and leadcore setups.
I then either clip on a floro leader or splice it to the braid.
Unless I'm dragging a diver or dipsey, then I use a leader after the diving device.
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The braid is half the diameter of the equivalent mono or flouro which equates to the line cutting through the water a lot easier so you get a lot less blow back or ballooning, It makes a huge difference once you get down below 50 feet or so.
Like mac said, it has zero stretch which really makes reading your rod tip easier, if you get a small fish that doesn't set the release off or one that just swims with boat you'll be able to tell.
It is also very abrasion resistant and almost impossible to put a nick in, doesn't kink and looses little or none of it's strength with a knot in it.
It does have some drawbacks, the worst is its ability to twist and get tangled, it is very smooth and slippery so yours knots have to be good and it doesn't work well with the clothes pin style release and with the chamberlains you have to give them 5 or 6 extra twist to keep it from pulling through the clip.
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Anybody tried waxing braid to get less knots ?
What type of reel (spinning, conventional, etc) are you using and how are you fishing it (casting, trolling, etc)?
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The question was , is anybody waxing braid.
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I'd say the answer is no
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I also say nay , but I’ve never used braid above 10# , but not all braids are as forgiving as others
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I use braid from 8#-50#.... never had the need to wax it. There are line dressings out there that I use on flouro when filling reels. Never on braid though.
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I might add... that when filling reels with braid... reel it inline off the spool. It seems to help with line twist some. IMO
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Never heard of waxing braid....try it out and let us know lmao!
If you are getting lots of knots with braid...you either overfilled the spool or are creating "wind knots" by reeling in loops of line...usually happens when you are fishing something that you pause and retrieve...
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There are a lot of things that never used to get waxed... We wax our bow strings, maybe he's on to something.
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People used to wax mustaches
8)
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Braid has more friction than other line . If it is not lubricated it will break in an area that has had the most tip friction . People who do not wax or lub their braid loose a lot of lures with good amounts of line. good quality mono gives better life and does not absorb feel of what is happening at hook end. ( Sea gar Gatsu)
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Braid has more friction than other line . If it is not lubricated it will break in an area that has had the most tip friction . People who do not wax or lub their braid loose a lot of lures with good amounts of line. good quality mono gives better life and does not absorb feel of what is happening at hook end. ( Sea gar Gatsu)
Pretty much all my rods (well over 50) have braid.
I have never encountered this.
And there’s no way mono gives better life than braid. UV and ozone destroys mono.
Also, mono has stretch where braid doesn’t. Hence, braid transmits the business end far better than mono. Also, with zero stretch you get better hook sets than with mono. Especially in deep water.
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Braid has more friction than other line . If it is not lubricated it will break in an area that has had the most tip friction . People who do not wax or lub their braid loose a lot of lures with good amounts of line. good quality mono gives better life and does not absorb feel of what is happening at hook end. ( Sea gar Gatsu)
Maybe, but I guide well over 100 days a year and have reels that have 20 pound Power Pro on them that get casted many thousands of times each year. On some of those rods(casting and spinning) the braid is three years old, and I haven't experienced any of the problems you claim. I do not lubricate my lines, and can't think of a time that I have lost a lure from a break far up the line....Your experience might vary.....
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No line stretch
Doesn't go to crap in the sun and ozone like mono, so lasts WAY longer
Small line diameter vs mono which allows it to sink quicker and deeper.
Typically, higher break strength per pound test rating - which I still cannot understand why.
I use braid on all rods except my steelhead rods and leadcore setups.
I then either clip on a floro leader or splice it to the braid.
Unless I'm dragging a diver or dipsey, then I use a leader after the diving device.
I Couldn't haven't said it any better mac
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Braid has more friction than other line . If it is not lubricated it will break in an area that has had the most tip friction . People who do not wax or lub their braid loose a lot of lures with good amounts of line. good quality mono gives better life and does not absorb feel of what is happening at hook end. ( Sea gar Gatsu)
This statement is fundamentally flawed in so many ways...
Never been an issue here with lures up to 7oz and jigs the same weight oh and a few hundred stripers over 40lbs...have used miles of powerpro, diawa samuri braid, and many other brands. The only time I had line breakage was with a cracked guide. Speaking of now you can buy guides that greatly reduce the friction with braid.
Ive been using modern braid since its inception. (Not dacron which has been around long before I was born) Not sure why but my dad was an early adopter. Anyone remember cutting cheap guides with braid?
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Yep I’ve cut a few guides in the early years lol
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Yep I’ve cut a few guides in the early years lol
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Yep I’ve cut a few guides in the early years lol
My dad had spiderwire when it first came out...I remember it well. Browing rod and that braid cut through the top guide easily. He didnt use it much so I was partially to blame. He couldnt believe the line did it...thought it was my fault. The good ole days. Back when ESPN still had The Fishin' Hole on!
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Sometimes I wonder what people like like Roscoe V Gaddis would think of how far things have progressed In the sport of fishing 🎣
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Sometimes I wonder what people like like Roscoe V Gaddis would think of how far things have progressed In the sport of fishing 🎣
I watched him all the time back in the 60's!!!!!
The Flying Fisherman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YuWV4PpZ6U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YuWV4PpZ6U)
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Me too
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Me too
You're old.
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I watched him all the time back in the 60's!!!!!
The Flying Fisherman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YuWV4PpZ6U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YuWV4PpZ6U)
Cool video. I see they embellished the size of the salmon in 1969 also. 8)
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You're old.
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Lmao
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Cool video. I see they embellished the size of the salmon in 1969 also. 8)
Much has changed since this was filmed in the fishing world, but some things are still the same...
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just get some of that fireline stuff. Its basically like waxed line. I use it ice fishing. Doesn't freeze up as easily.
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I use fireline Fuse for ice fishing and it freezes up , keep it warm and life is good , I use it for trolling it’s tough , get a knot and it’s not forgiving as some braids , I do have a spool of FL braid that I haven’t tried yet ,
I have been a FL fan since the beginning , a bud on the PWT turned me on to it ,
But are tons of choices , my jigging and shore casting I use Power Pro hi viz ,
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just get some of that fireline stuff. Its basically like waxed line. I use it ice fishing. Doesn't freeze up as easily.
I started out using fireline.. but after half a season of casting plugs the wax starts to wear off and the line breaks down.. I started using power pro a few years back and now I'll NEVER buy fireline again
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Powerpro is ok in the lower breaking strenghts. The 50 and 60# can be questionable. Also the stuff gets extremely brittle if it is in the sun for a long time. Fireline crystal on my freshwater stuff has been fine for me.
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I never had a problem in the lower # test of PP , with it getting brittle at least in fresh water , but some lines in the heavier weights act different
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I use Power Pro for both fresh and saltwater and never have an issue. Casting into the wind can give you some twists and leaving it exposed to the sun also weakens the line, as already mentioned.
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I am not a huge fan of braid in all situations and don't climb hills singing it's universal praise. It has it's place and is good for what it is. I use Power Pro on my muskie rods and never had an issue
I use Power Pro on my deep water togue trolling rods and the only issue I had was the gorillas I fish with want to reef on the fish so hard they pull hooks.
As stated before by someone, most braid issues are user error which is why I asked the question of what and how it is being used.
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JDK, one season I stopped using it all together aside from surfcasting where youd be crazy to give up the distance braid affords. I caught fish much the same. Had to increase the hookset to Bill Dance levels to compensate for stretch but other than that it was business as usual.
Also know so many guys who bought knock off powerpro from online thinking its the real thing.
I just added 1800 ft of super slick to 2 reels this weekend....couldnt find samuri braid. See how it works out.
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Also know so many guys who bought knock off powerpro from online thinking its the real thing.
My father being one. He was all proud of himself for finding 12,000 yards for $20 that was rowed over by Hop Sing himself. It was/is junk.
I'm not a braid hater but like everything else, it isn't always the best tool for the job.
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Jon hope the slick works for you , my buds Had an issue , I’m still on the spectra ,
But I don’t use it for all applications
And JDK if guys are pulling hooks out using braid use a a leader and let them snap some fish off to train them they need to calm down just a bit and let them replace the tackle , I have educated a few in my boat 😉 by the way I educated myself the hard way 💴 , as I have a pretty good hook set ,
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I do use leaders and would need 100 feet with these guys. I fished last evening with one of the guys. Had my togue rods because I forgot to take them out of the boat this past weekend. Salmon popped the line out of the release, he grabbed it, reeled 10-12 turns and set the hook like Bill Dance (I love that saying lowaccord66). Needless to say they parted company.
Hard to teach a 71 year old new tricks. 8)
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Lol , Oh boy set that hook 🎣
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I decided to try suffix 832 this year.. I like it but took a little time to adjust from power pro. The 832 seems to have a slippery surface on it and the line would slip off of finger much easier.. I looked like a complete rookie at times for a week
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John I have a spool of that but haven’t tried it yet a bud uses for ice fishing with a leader and likes it
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Ive tried the sufix and didnt like. Fred I think I will probably dislike the super slick but the darn baitshop only had bulk spools of the samuri braid diawa makes. I wont let a shop fill my spools...that stuff is amazing in 40lb and 55lb. I have a backup reel with 55lb that has been used for 3 seasons no issues.
JDK Bill Dance is the man and if you know anything of the hookset...you know it has flipped him right out of his boat!
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Trying to remember to not set the hook when trolling was tough. Lost me a few fish when I started last year... and one early this year lol. Same thing when using circle hooks, just pick up the rod and start reeling. I use fireline on a couple of my spinning rods and power pro on my one baitcaster. I only use them when I want to fish deeper or in thick cover.
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Friction causes wear!! Sea gar Gatsu out fishes all braids.
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Friction causes wear!! Sea gar Gatsu out fishes all braids.
The fist half of your post has been proven over time billions of times; and also in many physics classes around the world.
The second half of your post has not.
At least not to my knowledge.
But I would be interested to the see the backup data that you have to prove your statement.
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He knows.