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Title: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 20, 2012, 11:05 AM
I have tried many different brands in the past few years ! They all have one or two things better than the other ! I want one brand to cover it all ! Strength, True round technology, color not fading , abrasive resistant!!!  Let's see what  brand wins the discussion  8)
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: waterwolf603 on Apr 20, 2012, 11:07 AM
POWER PRO! nuff said
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: SNAGGER on Apr 20, 2012, 11:09 AM


  power pro.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: capedeer/fish on Apr 20, 2012, 11:35 AM
power pro    salt/fresh/ice
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: 00Fisher00 on Apr 20, 2012, 12:00 PM
Suffix 832 for me!
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: TheDL on Apr 20, 2012, 12:14 PM
suffix 832.  The colour does fade though, the abraision resistance is crazy strong.  I got a large bass stuck around a sunken tree with 10lb suffix 832 on...it rubbed and pulled  on the limb and I caught both the bass and a sizable piece of tree after it broke off.
Power pro is great too, but I find it not very round and noisy in the line guides.  Also, it's kind of stiff and doesn't cast as well as 832.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: striper50trout on Apr 20, 2012, 12:18 PM
Power Pro. Green
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: PeterSaloom on Apr 20, 2012, 01:00 PM
Broken Record, but power pro is awesome. I use 65# on my frog rod. (Or I did until I lent it out and it got stolen.) But I will use it on my next one as well.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: waterwolf603 on Apr 20, 2012, 01:44 PM
while we are on the topic of braid, has anyone else heard that is bad on your eyes of the rod? I havent noticed anything yet and have been using for a few years, just curious if anyone else has seen any extra wear on the rod from using braid
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: TroutTroller on Apr 20, 2012, 03:45 PM
I troll with fireline smoke 8lb I love it ..tried power pro lost to many fish on point of strike using same 8lb. Tried suffix but was only ok after 4 or 5 times out lost color ...been 11 times this month since re spooling and still color no fade...
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: stitch on Apr 20, 2012, 05:09 PM
fire line is my fav.ididnt like power pro on a spinnig rod. i kept getting loops.maybe it was something i was doing but i have rarely had trouble with fireline.the color does fade but i havent seen thatto be a big deal.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: 200fisher on Apr 20, 2012, 07:09 PM
while we are on the topic of braid, has anyone else heard that is bad on your eyes of the rod? I havent noticed anything yet and have been using for a few years, just curious if anyone else has seen any extra wear on the rod from using braid

In it's infancy, super braid could saw grooves in some guides. I don't think it's a problem anymore. All the lines are now much smoother and rounder.

I used a lot of Power Pro and had some issues with it. It seemed coarse, would quickly lose color, I got a lot of wind knots, and I experienced mystery break-offs. I had a couple spools that actually had imperfections that you could see and feel. I now use nothing but Tuf-Line XP. I fish mostly saltwater so I'm using heavier lb. test, and I always buy the white line. I've had no issues and the line seems to be more manageable. I use only mono in fresh water.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Skipper on Apr 20, 2012, 07:52 PM
Call me odd, but I cursed the day I met power pro... It is permanently on my black list. It gets flat like a ribbon and wind knots like crazy after the wax washes out. It does not take long for the color and wax wash out too. I also thought it casted like sisal bailer twine because it got wooley right away. I couldn't get it to pack on the spool for nothin either. I almost had to soak the spool in water before started my day. Really bad stuff...

I use spider wire stealth when braid is called for. It stays round and shoots through the guides like a rocket. It holds it's color and treatment for a very long time and takes abuse better than anything I have found. I have 20lb green spider wire stealth on a spinner bait rod that I use frequently. I am about 95% sure that I put that line on in 2005. It is still dark green and it's not wooley at all.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: striper50trout on Apr 20, 2012, 08:43 PM
I've never had problems with Power pro.  I'm also not concerned with fading. The line is still strong when color fades.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 20, 2012, 10:12 PM
Thanks guys ! I read all my issues with power pro ! Wind knots , flat after heavy use . Breaks easier than others I've tried . I use 20# green . I always liked spider wire for strength , I haven't used it in many years because it went flat . I will have to try the new spider wire . I also have Berkley Pro braid that I haven't tried yet . Suffix worked great ,but seem to wear out quick .
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Skipper on Apr 20, 2012, 10:33 PM
The original spiderwire that came in a red box was tricky stuff to fish and had very limited application. It dug into the spool and was more trouble than it was worth. You also had to superglue the knots... no thanks...

The Stealth Spiderwire in the purple box seems to be the best of the litter for me now. Good knot strength (with palomar knot), stays round, does not dig in, stays round, no wind knots, and casts surprisingly smooth. It still slices through soft green weeds like a razor wire too. Did I mention that it stays round? ;D

It's not for ice or freezing temps though. It freezes to the spool and everything else, it'll give ya fits! ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Basstracker on Apr 21, 2012, 06:59 AM
Thanks guys ! I read all my issues with power pro ! Wind knots , flat after heavy use . Breaks easier than others I've tried . I use 20# green . I always liked spider wire for strength , I haven't used it in many years because it went flat . I will have to try the new spider wire . I also have Berkley Pro braid that I haven't tried yet . Suffix worked great ,but seem to wear out quick .

Yup... Spider wire kicked themself in the rear end when they got rid of their original braid. Ever since they stopped making the original Spider Wire braid I throw suffix. I prefer fluorocarbon now... I can throw up to 30 lb and still cast just as far as I did with braid and get just as many if not more bites. I used to use braid on more than one rod and now I rarely use that rod at all. 20lb fluorocarbon barely has any stretch and is just as strong as the braided line from my experiences. I use P Line Fluorocarbon... 6-30 lb depending on the application.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 21, 2012, 07:31 AM
The original spiderwire that came in a red box was tricky stuff to fish and had very limited application. It dug into the spool and was more trouble than it was worth. You also had to superglue the knots... no thanks...

The Stealth Spiderwire in the purple box seems to be the best of the litter for me now. Good knot strength (with palomar knot), stays round, does not dig in, stays round, no wind knots, and casts surprisingly smooth. It still slices through soft green weeds like a razor wire too. Did I mention that it stays round? ;D

It's not for ice or freezing temps though. It freezes to the spool and everything else, it'll give ya fits! ;D
Thanks Skipper ! I'm definitely gonna give spider stealth a try ! I don't know why the power pro wears out so quick ? Maybe I fish too much lol !  ROUND line is huge thing to me !  I hate wind knots ! 
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: stripernut on Apr 21, 2012, 07:58 AM
Check out Cortland's "Master Braid". Cortland makes many of the braids for other companies and if they were better at marketing (like Berkley) they would own the market. I have fished most all of the brands and Master Braid blows away everything else, The color does not fade (in 5 years with the same line on some spools) and it is incredibly tough. Much more than Power Pro. I am sure that some one will find something about it that does not "Match" their style of fishing, but for all the styles of fishing that I do, I have found none better.
One more note if you are fishing party boats that do not want you to fish braids, try Cortland's "Black Spot", it has a tracer of Dacron (with the spectra) that make it easier to untangle and knot , but still gives you the advantages of braid.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Bass to mouth on Apr 21, 2012, 10:34 AM
power pro was ok but would dig into itself on the spool when caught up on something and is stiff so doesn't cast as far,I can say the same thing for spider stealth braid which i'm currently useing. nothing has the all around of what I want from braid like suffix 20lb,i wanted to save a buck now i regret not buying suffix.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 21, 2012, 06:44 PM
power pro was ok but would dig into itself on the spool when caught up on something and is stiff so doesn't cast as far,I can say the same thing for spider stealth braid which i'm currently useing. nothing has the all around of what I want from braid like suffix 20lb,i wanted to save a buck now i regret not buying suffix.
I would have to agree 100% on power pro . It seems strong but It does bite into the spool a bit . I really liked suffix when I first used it . Although it seemed to break easier after being worn in . Has anyone tried hi-seas brand ?
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: striper50trout on Apr 22, 2012, 09:27 AM
Anybody try Seaguar Kanzen yet?
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: fishingkid97 on Apr 22, 2012, 09:45 PM
Hey mm I have used stealth and ez braid from Spiderwire in my opinion ez braid is better just because it cast like a bullet and is smooth like mono its The best of both worlds
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: waterwolf603 on Apr 23, 2012, 08:18 AM
so I know I said power pro earlier, I just bought some seagar 20lb braid and it is such a thin diameter and casts a mile, it isnt as stiff as power pro either.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: PeterSaloom on Apr 23, 2012, 11:49 AM
This thread is useful. Definitely gave me some things to consider.  :tipup:
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: striper50trout on Apr 23, 2012, 01:10 PM
so I know I said power pro earlier, I just bought some seagar 20lb braid and it is such a thin diameter and casts a mile, it isnt as stiff as power pro either.

I am considering trying it, Let me know how it lasts after a couple of times fishing with it
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: waterwolf603 on Apr 23, 2012, 01:17 PM
I am considering trying it, Let me know how it lasts after a couple of times fishing with it


 will do
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 23, 2012, 02:31 PM
I like seager products ! I use it for ice fishing leaders (flurocarbon) It's something I might have to try with the braid !?
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: waterwolf603 on Apr 23, 2012, 03:00 PM
I use seagar fluoro leader when I steelhead fish and love it, so far so good with the braid I will post after a few more trips with it
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: PeterSaloom on Apr 23, 2012, 03:02 PM
I like seager products ! I use it for ice fishing leaders (flurocarbon) It's something I might have to try with the braid !?

SEAGUAR FLOURO LEADER IS AWESOME FOR HARD WATER.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Basstracker on Apr 23, 2012, 04:16 PM
I prefer straight fluorocarbon... Only thing I really use braid for now is saltwater fishing or flipping heavy cover for bass.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 23, 2012, 05:26 PM
I use seagar fluoro leader when I steelhead fish and love it, so far so good with the braid I will post after a few more trips with it
Is the Seager braid sold at specific stores or online ? I know Dicks has flurocarbon , not sure on braid though ?
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Skipper on Apr 23, 2012, 05:52 PM
I'll try the seaguar as soon as cabelas has it. All braid is a pain to fish, there is much room for improvement!
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: waterwolf603 on Apr 24, 2012, 07:38 AM
Is the Seager braid sold at specific stores or online ? I know Dicks has flurocarbon , not sure on braid though ?

I actually got it at my local tackle shop in manchester, I didnt even know seagar made braid until I saw it the other day. Wildlife Taxidermy is where I got it.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Basstracker on Apr 24, 2012, 07:44 AM
I actually got it at my local tackle shop in manchester, I didnt even know seagar made braid until I saw it the other day. Wildlife Taxidermy is where I got it.

I saw it somewhere... I wanna say it was the Kittery Trading Post but I can't be certain.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 24, 2012, 09:18 AM
I'll try the seaguar as soon as cabelas has it. All braid is a pain to fish, there is much room for improvement!
I know I will NEVER go back to mono and I don't see flurocarbon casting as well on a spinning reel .
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Tuna Meltdown on Apr 24, 2012, 10:51 AM
I stopped using Power Pro when I read some horror stories about it's inconsistency resulting in a lot of lost fish.  I have heard that it has gotten better since Shimano bought Power pro.  All my tuna reels are loaded with Jerry Brown 200 pound Hollow core spectra.  This stuff is tough.  It will saw through anchor and lobster pot lines if a fish is on the other end and not break.  Jerry Brown also has a line of solid spectra.  I have been using this almost exclusively when braid is called for in freshwater without issue.  
http://www.bhptackle.com/home.php?cat=177
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: fishsluggos on Apr 24, 2012, 12:55 PM
http://www.bluemarlinchronicles.com/fins-fishing-line.htm (http://www.bluemarlinchronicles.com/fins-fishing-line.htm)
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 24, 2012, 05:18 PM
http://www.bluemarlinchronicles.com/fins-fishing-line.htm (http://www.bluemarlinchronicles.com/fins-fishing-line.htm)
Nice ! But which one ? Windtamer ? or XS extra smooth ? And has anyone used either one ?
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 24, 2012, 05:28 PM
I just found this .

 When FINS introduced XS, their first 8 strand braid, the fishing world took notice and the battle of the braids started to take shape … and the shape was round. FINS weaved together 8 ends of Spectra yarn to create a more natural product that requires less resin and fillers to create its smooth, round body. But the positive gains were not without their downfalls. Using 8 strands of the Spectra fibers is more costly. The other notable downside was limitation of not being able to produce a line under 20-pound tensile strength and .011-inch diameter. This created a new challenge for the group that started the braided line business. After receiving increased interest in lower tensiles, Dave Burch went to Honeywell and inquired about smaller diameter fibers and Honeywell created the product. Recently, the President of FINS made the announcement that light tackle anglers have been waiting to hear. The FINS XS 8 strand braided line is now available in 10 and 15 pound test. Designed for the angler that needs a smoother line with improved casting distance and increased abrasion resistance, the new FINS XS is kickin’ tails.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Skipper on Apr 24, 2012, 05:44 PM
I know I will NEVER go back to mono and I don't see flurocarbon casting as well on a spinning reel .

You use braid for EVERYTHING? No wonder you are searching! Mono is still the best product for many applications.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 24, 2012, 06:29 PM
You use braid for EVERYTHING? No wonder you are searching! Mono is still the best product for many applications.
Ya everything ! Because I only rubber worm fish in heavy cover , trees ,stumps etc . Mono is junk in heavy cover ,unless you want to throw 20# cable  ! I have no problems with braid nor does my wife ! So if anyone can't use braid correctly ? I'll have my wife teach you . I am just always looking for better technology . Just like any other piece of fishing equipment . Every year there are improvements on line etc. This topic is to help the new comers to braid decide without wasting money on line that isn't as good as others . Just like mono and flurocarbon , some are better than others ! But its nice to hear feedback from actual users !!!
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Skipper on Apr 24, 2012, 07:30 PM
Most guys have a bunch of different tactics, I didn't imagine you only used one technique. Maybe it's time to shake it up a bit and try something new.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 24, 2012, 07:44 PM
Most guys have a bunch of different tactics, I didn't imagine you only used one technique. Maybe it's time to shake it up a bit and try something new.
Why break what isn't broken ? I caught 32 bass in 3 days (few hours each day ) my wife caught 18 . I don't see the need to buy a bunch of bells and whistles when my technique is doing great for me . If you want to see what my technique produces ? go look at my fishing folders on Facebook . Keith Poisant Sr. Don't miss the Five Pounder Club folder .
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: jtk2 on Apr 24, 2012, 07:47 PM
i also put braid on all my reels, it may not be the best for specific situations but it works just fine for me.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: striper50trout on Apr 24, 2012, 09:22 PM
I only use braid, except when fly fishing. I've never had problems with different lures, plugs or bait. Learn how to use it and you will never go back.  
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Skipper on Apr 24, 2012, 09:32 PM
I learned to use it, and I use it about 20% of the time. It has some massive downfalls for certain situations. If the fish are in the same pattern 12 months out of the year, more power to ya. The fish tend to move around here, if you don't follow, you pull a skunk.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 24, 2012, 09:54 PM
I learned to use it, and I use it about 20% of the time. It has some massive downfalls for certain situations. If the fish are in the same pattern 12 months out of the year, more power to ya. The fish tend to move around here, if you don't follow, you pull a skunk.

Please give me one good reason I should use mono over braid  ! And do tell us the major disadvantages to using braid  . I can fish worms , top water , deep dive cranks , shallow dive , Suspended , swim baits , spinner baits, etc with braid ! I don't get Skunked too often ( 1 out of 20 trips maybe )
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Skipper on Apr 24, 2012, 10:17 PM
Wood and rocks wreck it fast and it will break off frequently. Slip floats will not budge on it. It freezes to everything in cold weather. Zero stretch isn't always a good thing. Zebra mussels (if you have them, we have lots) will cut it like razor blades. Reduced casting distance compared to similar diameter mono. It's very visible in clear water. Leaders are required when pike are in the mix. It stinks for casting light jigs. 

But if it works for ya, more power to ya.

I use it for fishing green sloppy weeds because it will slice through them. It will also help rip weed off the hook with a good snap due to it's zero stretch. This is huge because it reduces hauling in fouled tackle to clean it up. I like it for deep trolling but I use a really soft rod. It gets lures deep fast, but you will only catch severed fish lips with a stiff rod. I love it for texas and carolina rigs because I can feel EVERYTHING. I like it for surface lures and buzz baits but it takes discipline not to take it away from them.

It's all a trade off with line. Mono works best for lots of stuff, fluro works good for lots of stuff and braid works good for lots of stuff too. I would never dream of spooling all my gear with one type of line. It would be like only using one type of tool to fix my car.

When I discovered braid, I put it on everything too. I thought it was the new best product for all things. As the years passed, I got away from that. Braid didn't replace anything, it just gave us another really good option to use.   
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 24, 2012, 10:32 PM
Wood and rocks wreck it fast and it will break off frequently. Slip floats will not budge on it. It freezes to everything in cold weather. Zero stretch isn't always a good thing. Zebra mussels (if you have them, we have lots) will cut it like razor blades. Reduced casting distance compared to similar diameter mono. It's very visible in clear water. Leaders are required when pike are in the mix. It stinks for casting light jigs. 

But if it works for ya, more power to ya.

I use it for fishing green sloppy weeds because it will slice through them. It will also help rip weed off the hook with a good snap due to it's zero stretch. This is huge because it reduces hauling in fouled tackle to clean it up. I like it for deep trolling but I use a really soft rod. It gets lures deep fast, but you will only catch severed fish lips with a stiff rod. I love it for texas and carolina rigs because I can feel EVERYTHING. I like it for surface lures and buzz baits but it takes discipline not to take it away from them.

It's all a trade off with line. Mono works best for lots of stuff, fluro works good for lots of stuff and braid works good for lots of stuff too. I would never dream of spooling all my gear with one type of line. It would be like only using one type of tool to fix my car.

When I discovered braid, I put it on everything too. I thought it was the new best product for all things. As the years passed, I got away from that. Braid didn't replace anything, it just gave us another really good option to use.   
I guess I'm good then , I usually fish the thick weeds etc . And top water plugs . I have had far less break offs with braid . And I use a flurocarbon leader so visibility isn't an issue .
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Basstracker on Apr 25, 2012, 06:55 AM
I guess I'm good then , I usually fish the thick weeds etc . And top water plugs . I have had far less break offs with braid . And I use a flurocarbon leader so visibility isn't an issue .

I have broken fish off right infront of the boat with braid more than anything else. with my fluorocarbon if a fish hits is 10-15 feet from the boat it stretches that little bit when I set the hook so it doesn't break me off... When flipping for bass in HEAVY cover with 50-65lb braid I still break off some fish... as Skipper said no stretch isn't always a good thing. I had to buy a 7'6 flipping rod because if your rod doesn't bend enough on the hook set it will break a bigger fish right off. There are ways around it( Keith you have a bit of an advantage on the hook set with your spinning rod because it has more bend than most trigger rods. When it comes to having a big fish on the line braid or not... I would much rather have it be on a baitcaster. More leverage on the fish as well as the reels being a lot faster so when a fish is swimming at you it is a lot easier to keep that slack out of your line. Regardless with a leader or not I see that fluorocarbon tends to out fish my braided rods. When you make a cast if the fish sees the braid over his/her head before you bring it by them chances are the line has already spooked them... So when they actually do see your bait they don't want it. I don't throw mono at all and prob never will ever again. Only advantage mono has is that it floats but if I want to keep my crankbait higher up in the water column or if I am throwing a topwater I just throw 17-20 lb fluoro, sometimes even 30.

Didn't feel like posting twice in the 2 threads lol.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: striper50trout on Apr 25, 2012, 08:04 AM
I use 20# braid for largemouth and 30-50# for stripers. I fish around a lot of stumps, trees and rocks and do not have the breakoffs that some people have talked about. The key is fluro leader and strong knots. When fishing in the surf for stripers every now and then a fish wraps me around a rock and my line snaps but it would do the same thing to mono or fluro.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Basstracker on Apr 25, 2012, 08:13 AM
I use 20# braid for largemouth and 30-50# for stripers. I fish around a lot of stumps, trees and rocks and do not have the breakoffs that some people have talked about. The key is fluro leader and strong knots. When fishing in the surf for stripers every now and then a fish wraps me around a rock and my line snaps but it would do the same thing to mono or fluro.

I always use braid for saltwater... that's another story lol. I use fluoro leaders and it def not my knot failing. It is easy to tell if it was a clean break or the knot failed. I use braided line for both stripers and cod/ haddock fishing but I don't see the need for bass fishing. I used to swear by braid... not anymore. I have actually been thinking about fishing fluorocarbon for stripers this year. We will see
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: PeterSaloom on Apr 25, 2012, 10:28 AM
I like flouro for the transparency and also because it sinks better than braid does. If you want to get a little deeper with your cranks it works like a dream. I pick heavy brain when frogging because i can pull down a tree with it and it also tends to float because of its thicker diameter. I use 65# on my frog set up (which sadly was just stolen). If I were using smaller topwater plugs in open water I would use mono for its bouyancy and transparency.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 25, 2012, 11:25 AM
I don't see why people are breaking the braid ? Must be the brand ! I've caught numerous 5 & 6 pound bass with braid . I've pulled limbs down and I can pull me my wife and my boat with my braid . If I ever catch a 200 pound bass I guess I'll worry about breaking my line . I use a blood knot for joining my braid to flurocarbon . No problems in the knot ! Never failed ! I would use flurocarbon line if I thought it would stay on the spool as good as braid does . It's just a lot stiffer than braid . I don't know , I've been using this set up for 3 years now and don't see any need to change . I've caught well over 200 bass in the time I've been using braid with a flurocarbon leader .  Hey maybe someday I'll try straight flurocarbon !? This is a great discussion ,lots of great info !!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Basstracker on Apr 25, 2012, 09:52 PM
I don't see why people are breaking the braid ? Must be the brand ! I've caught numerous 5 & 6 pound bass with braid . I've pulled limbs down and I can pull me my wife and my boat with my braid . If I ever catch a 200 pound bass I guess I'll worry about breaking my line . I use a blood knot for joining my braid to flurocarbon . No problems in the knot ! Never failed ! I would use flurocarbon line if I thought it would stay on the spool as good as braid does . It's just a lot stiffer than braid . I don't know , I've been using this set up for 3 years now and don't see any need to change . I've caught well over 200 bass in the time I've been using braid with a flurocarbon leader .  Hey maybe someday I'll try straight flurocarbon !? This is a great discussion ,lots of great info !!!!! ;D

Your spinning rod gives a lot more when you set the hook
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 25, 2012, 10:52 PM
Your spinning rod gives a lot more when you set the hook
Not sure I understand that ? What do you mean ? My rod is a medium heavy fast action , not much give .
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: nhpikeking on Apr 25, 2012, 11:05 PM
fireline is garbage lost alot of big fish from random line snapping powerpro is decent but really stiff spiderwires strong but it fades alot same with suffix so far tuffline and powerpro are the two I prefer tuffline isn't as stiff as powerpro but just as strong
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: Basstracker on Apr 26, 2012, 05:27 AM
Not sure I understand that ? What do you mean ? My rod is a medium heavy fast action , not much give .

Spinning rods have a lot more give in them than a trigger rod.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: gundogwanted on Apr 26, 2012, 05:58 AM
Well, this is going to be my setup for trolling Oneida this year with B.B's. I have  St. Croix Premier 6'6' meg/heavy rods with Abu Garcia ambassadeur reels, (5600c5). Going  to use my Suffix 832, 20lb. Hope it works.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: PeterSaloom on Apr 26, 2012, 07:32 AM
I don't see why people are breaking the braid ? Must be the brand ! I've caught numerous 5 & 6 pound bass with braid . I've pulled limbs down and I can pull me my wife and my boat with my braid . If I ever catch a 200 pound bass I guess I'll worry about breaking my line . I use a blood knot for joining my braid to flurocarbon . No problems in the knot ! Never failed ! I would use flurocarbon line if I thought it would stay on the spool as good as braid does . It's just a lot stiffer than braid . I don't know , I've been using this set up for 3 years now and don't see any need to change . I've caught well over 200 bass in the time I've been using braid with a flurocarbon leader .  Hey maybe someday I'll try straight flurocarbon !? This is a great discussion ,lots of great info !!!!! ;D

Another factor that I didn't see mentioned, and that I forgot to point out is number of weak spots when you use braid and a leader versus just one line the whole way. You are using a blood knot to secure the leader so that is one and then of course you have the palomar knot at your hook. A ton of breaks occur at the knot, so if you have two knots you have twice as many weakspots as just going straight to the hook. I realize you probably tie a great blood knot and this isn't an issue for you, but from an engineering perspective, it is a second weakness in the setup.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 26, 2012, 10:50 AM
Definitely a good point Pete ! 2 knots . Although my blood knot has Never failed . I've gotten stuck from shore , and when pulling 10 times harder than a fish pulls to try an release it ,I've had hooks bend or the line just snap and its usually the flurocarbon that breaks . The knots don't break the line does . Oh and I use the fishing fool knot ,not the Palomar . Fishing fool outlasted the Palomar in testing ! I have read that some braid (low end) will be inconsistent with thickness . The last time out in the boat ,my wife broke off ,but it broke half way up the flurocarbon leader . Not the braid and not the knots !? I guess all lines have their weakness sometimes .
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: bigredfishing on Apr 26, 2012, 10:59 AM
I use three knots when I use a swivel for other kinds of fishing, and land plenty of fish that way too.   For me, the flouro leader is very neccessary for many reasons, and if you tie good knots (blood knot is okay, uni-to-uni connection is much much stronger) then breakage due to knots won't be an issue.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: PeterSaloom on Apr 26, 2012, 11:14 AM
I inspect my flouro line. Sometimes I have found tiny perforations or knicks in the line. When I do I cut off above that and retie. I think that may be the cause of some break offs. The leading cause I've seen of that is pickeral.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: bigredfishing on Apr 26, 2012, 11:21 AM
I inspect my flouro line. Sometimes I have found tiny perforations or knicks in the line. When I do I cut off above that and retie. I think that may be the cause of some break offs. The leading cause I've seen of that is pickeral.

same with the braid.   the margin for error with braid is very small when it comes to abrasions.   even small nicks can cut braids strength and shock resistance by 50% or more.   It also amazes me how even small pickerel can bite clean through braid.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: PeterSaloom on Apr 26, 2012, 11:21 AM
I'll guess I'll continue this since I'm at work with not much going on. :P I would also be willing to bet that the fall rate of whatever is on the end of your line is slowed by brain versus flourocarbon. Probably the difference of a second. Just my $0.02
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: bigredfishing on Apr 26, 2012, 11:23 AM
I'll guess I'll continue this since I'm at work with not much going on. :P I would also be willing to bet that the fall rate of whatever is on the end of your line is slowed by brain versus flourocarbon. Probably the difference of a second. Just my $0.02

very much so, especially since flouro sinks and braid floats.   When i use weightless senkos, I only use  braid with a flouro leader.   No matter the wind or length of cast, the braid works almost as a bobber, while the flouro leader gives enough sink to alow the senko to do its thing.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: waterwolf603 on Apr 26, 2012, 11:33 AM
very much so, especially since flouro sinks and braid floats.   When i use weightless senkos, I only use  braid with a flouro leader.   No matter the wind or length of cast, the braid works almost as a bobber, while the flouro leader gives enough sink to alow the senko to do its thing.

so your saying it is almost like amnesia when flyfishing?
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 26, 2012, 11:56 AM
I would say my wife breaking off was do to user error . She doesn't fish as often as me and doesn't check her line as often . I on the other hand will cut and tie over and over in one day . Even decent fighting bass will put nicks in your flurocarbon leader . I'm not afraid to tie a new knot 5,6,7 times if I'm having a great day like last week . As far as the blood knot vs another line to line knot , if and when it ever fails I'll try a new knot . One thing to remember is I'm joining thick 20# flurocarbon to thin 20 or 30 # braid . And if you don't pull the knot extremely tight ,it may fail ! I have to wrap the line around my fingers wrapped in my shirt or wearing gloves to be able to pull the lines without cutting myself !!! I will look into that uni to uni knot though !
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: TheDL on Apr 26, 2012, 12:09 PM
Spinning rods have a lot more give in them than a trigger rod.
I hear this all the time and I don't get it.  Spinning vs. Casting rods should have an amount of "give" dependant on the action of the rod, not how the reel attaches to it.  ???
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: waterwolf603 on Apr 26, 2012, 12:25 PM
uni to uni is super easy and super strong you definitely will be tying that as soon as you learn it
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: bigredfishing on Apr 26, 2012, 12:29 PM
so your saying it is almost like amnesia when flyfishing?

yes
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: TroutTroller on Apr 26, 2012, 01:09 PM
I see all this talk about line but we are missing the most important part of fishing. You're drag set! Drag set right you wont break off with braid unless it is aweful braid. I use straight fireline no leader. 8LB smoke. I have landed some d**n good fish trolling at good speeds with rod in rod holder. 10lb salmon,10lb lg. mouth, 4.5 lb brown all caught the same way. St croix rod and pflueger reel.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 26, 2012, 01:27 PM
Yes good point DRAG very important ! When I break off its when I'm Hung up from shore (no boat) and I wrap the line around my hand with glove etc and pull it real hard to try and release the hang up ! I did look at that uni knot for joining lines . I like it ! Download the free knot wars app on Android market ! Many knots with animated video !
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: gundogwanted on Apr 26, 2012, 01:33 PM
What is the knot you are tying to from the braid to the terminal end if not using a leader??
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: striper50trout on Apr 26, 2012, 01:48 PM
MM, try a reverse albright knot for braid to leader. It is easy to tie and works great for me.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: striper50trout on Apr 26, 2012, 01:50 PM
What is the knot you are tying to from the braid to the terminal end if not using a leader??
I swear by a uni knot but palomar is very good.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: waterwolf603 on Apr 26, 2012, 02:47 PM
x2 on the polomar knot it is the only one I tie anymore fast, easy, and strong
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: bigredfishing on Apr 26, 2012, 02:49 PM
i use the uni for a straight-to-lure knot.   Palomar is a pain when tying on any lures or baits of size.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: PeterSaloom on Apr 26, 2012, 04:28 PM
i use the uni for a straight-to-lure knot.   Palomar is a pain when tying on any lures or baits of size.

Agreed. Sucks trying to put a 6" crank with huge trebles through that loop!
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 26, 2012, 05:26 PM
Tying to a hook or plug etc I use the fishing Fool knot . I saw it on knot wars ! And it has never failed me soft water or ice fishing . Even tying 40# flurocarbon ice fishing !
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: gundogwanted on Apr 26, 2012, 07:05 PM
OK...so what is being tied to a bottom bouncer if I go direct??
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: waterwolf603 on Apr 28, 2012, 07:45 PM
OK...so what is being tied to a bottom bouncer if I go direct??

I like polmars they are pretty easy and super strong
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 29, 2012, 09:42 AM
The fishing fool knot won the 2009 knot wars !
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: waterwolf603 on Apr 30, 2012, 06:33 AM
so I went out bass fishing last night more or less to test out the seagar some more and I really like it, it casts a country mile. The only down side of it not being as stiff as the power pro is if it is windy it makes it a little more a pain in the neck to tie knots other than that it is great!
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 30, 2012, 06:40 AM
I Ordered the Fin XS braid . Supposed to be excellent braid !?
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: striper50trout on Apr 30, 2012, 07:14 AM
There is a new power pro out now called super8slick, it is suppost to be smoother and better casting. Gonna try it in 40# for stripers.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: waterwolf603 on Apr 30, 2012, 07:34 AM
There is a new power pro out now called super8slick, it is suppost to be smoother and better casting. Gonna try it in 40# for stripers.

solid, let me know how you like it
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on Apr 30, 2012, 08:21 AM
There is a new power pro out now called super8slick, it is suppost to be smoother and better casting. Gonna try it in 40# for stripers.
Super 8 , I wonder if that means 8 strands braided together like the Fin XS braid ?
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: striper50trout on Apr 30, 2012, 12:16 PM
It does have 8 strands.    Gonna try it this weekend and will give a review soon.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on May 05, 2012, 06:49 PM
OK ! SO I'VE NEVER BEEN MORE DISGUSTED WITH A BRAND FISHING LINE ! I DECIDED TO TRY THE FIN XS BRAID (8 STRAND) . IT WAS HORRIBLE RIGHT FROM THE START ! WITHIN THE FIRST HOUR OF FISHING I GOT AROUND 10-12 SUPER WIND KNOTS !!!!!!!! ONE TIME I GOT A DOUBLE KNOT 2' APART !!! HALF WAY THROUGH THE MORNING I GAVE UP ON ONE ROD AND USED THE OTHER . IT HAPPENED LESS TIMES BUT STILL HAPPENED (I WAS BEING MORE CAUTIOUS THOUGH ) MOST BRAIDS I CAN DO SUPER LONG CASTS WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT KNOTS ! NOT TODAY !!!!!! THIS IS THE WORST LINE I'VE USED ,EVEN WORSE THAN THE ORIGINAL SPIDER FLAT BRAID ! THAT'S SAD ! DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR , SAVE YOUR MONEY , SAVE YOUR TIME , AND MOST OF ALL SAVE THE AGGRAVATION !!!

ON A GOOD NOTE , I CAUGHT A 4 POUNDER  AND MY WIFE KICKED MY BUTT WITH (5) NICE BASS !
ALTHOUGH SHE HAD LINE THAT WORKED (NOT FINS) !
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: jtk2 on May 05, 2012, 07:13 PM
That really sucks. I hate wind knots more than anything. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on May 05, 2012, 07:28 PM
That really sucks. I hate wind knots more than anything. Thanks for the heads up.
My Pleasure ! I hate to see someone else have such a crappy day because of inferior line ! I will let ya know how spider stealth in the purple box works . Trying that tomorrow !
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: capedeer/fish on May 06, 2012, 09:15 AM
There is a new power pro out now called super8slick, it is suppost to be smoother and better casting. Gonna try it in 40# for stripers.
  Fished with some guys who are using this in 40#. They love it and u CAN notice a difference in length of cast!
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: BASSQUATCH on May 07, 2012, 08:10 AM
  Fished with some guys who are using this in 40#. They love it and u CAN notice a difference in length of cast!
I went to bass pro on Saturday for some supplies . I was looking at all the braids when I nice ol' timer asked if I needed any assistance ? I told him I was looking into getting a different brand of braid . He told me he uses the power pro 8 strand in the 40# test . Then he told me he broke off that morning ! With 40# !!!!! Ya I'll pass on power pro all together ! I noticed when I removed the Fin 8 strand braid ,it had gone very flat ! Not cool !!!! So I purchased the Spider Stealth (purple box) . I'm Extremely happy ! It worked flawlessly from the first to last cast yesterday !!! A total of about 12 hours fishing (boat & shore) . And it seems to be staying ROUND !!!!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Brand of Braid
Post by: salmon stalker on May 07, 2012, 09:18 AM
Nothing beats JB lines (Jerry Brown)