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MFF US Northeast => New Hampshire => Topic started by: dickbaker on Jul 14, 2016, 10:51 AM
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??? ::) I don't know if your are the best group to ask? BUT! July and August will provide the most consistent salmon fishing from the stratified cold water 40 to 60 feet in our best Salmon Lakes. Big Lakes biologist have concerns that this is the time when fishermen can do the most damage to delicate Salmon? Pulling a Salmon from 54 degree water at 50 foot depth and netting it in 70 degree water will result in a great deal of mortality , particularly for young fish of the year! Placing a Salmon in a live well is a death sentence?
A biologist's dream is that we would troll for a few hours , until we netted a couple of keeper Salmon, and take them home to eat? Remember that NH Big Lakes Salmon program is a Put&Take plan. Netting and releasing 10 to 20 salmon a day is exciting but not part of a long termed Salmon management plan??
I hope to do a related article for August , but I need input from active Salmon fishermen! I would hate to adversely effect the small number of professional charter fishermen who make a living providing tourists with exciting Big Lakes fishing trips and I feel that they do their very best to care for the fish that they bring to the net. Is it a NEW ETHIC that we need to learn or will it require some serious F&G regulations?
Hope to hear from some long time Big Lakes Salmon fishermen??
Dick
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My Salmon trips end in NH right about Memorial Day weekend Dick, so sorry I cant help you out here. Id have better info if you were looking Champlain or Ontario. I cant be bothered with going on the salmon lakes in NH once all the recreational boats hit the water. From many requests for information I have received lately, not many people even understand what the thermocline is and how to catch salmon. They are asking me about trolling 30ft down for salmon, which sounds good except that they are over 40ft of water. It doesn't appear that people know that salmon are a cold water species and that trolling in bays of water that are too warm will not bring any hookup success. Having a depth/temp probe is really the best way to find those fish once the water warms and sets up.
Good luck!
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i do most of my fishing on sebago now but the long leads are put away in august, downriggers are mostly used so the lines are short, and interesting is that most of my big fish come off the planer with a two color lead top shot. single hooks and they sometimes release themselves in the net. also keep the rod tips low so they are NOT JUMPING. fishing early hours and those fish are on top, should be seeing them anytime now in the morning with the yoy smelt dimpling the surface. they might not like 70 degree water but they feed in it all the time before that sun gets too high. keeping lines shot, getting them in quick i think helps alot. sebago is covered with runt salmon right now, everywhere, they usually school up in the lower part of the big bay so you can stay away from them, just hasnt happened yet, im thinking its because the water got too hot too fast and the yoy smelt have not setup yet. mostly hit the shore dropp offs at first light for an hour or two then head out to laker water and off the water before the first ski boat drops skiers right in front of my bow around 10 am
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i do most of my fishing on sebago now but the long leads are put away in august, downriggers are mostly used so the lines are short, and interesting is that most of my big fish come off the planer with a two color lead top shot. single hooks and they sometimes release themselves in the net. also keep the rod tips low so they are NOT JUMPING. fishing early hours and those fish are on top, should be seeing them anytime now in the morning with the yoy smelt dimpling the surface. they might not like 70 degree water but they feed in it all the time before that sun gets too high. keeping lines shot, getting them in quick i think helps alot. sebago is covered with runt salmon right now, everywhere, they usually school up in the lower part of the big bay so you can stay away from them, just hasnt happened yet, im thinking its because the water got too hot too fast and the yoy smelt have not setup yet. mostly hit the shore dropp offs at first light for an hour or two then head out to laker water and off the water before the first ski boat drops skiers right in front of my bow around 10 am
i agree with you. I have caught salmon all summer after dinner zipping along with one color and a streamer. I also had a summer where I would go out after dinner and troll right on top with a Mooselook and catch salmon. I also don't catch salmon deeper than 30 ft. But that may be just me. Is there a study that shows salmon die after being brought up from the depths, because I have yet to see a salmon I release go belly up.
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i agree with you. I have caught salmon all summer after dinner zipping along with one color and a streamer. I also had a summer where I would go out after dinner and troll right on top with a Mooselook and catch salmon. I also don't catch salmon deeper than 30 ft. But that may be just me. Is there a study that shows salmon die after being brought up from the depths, because I have yet to see a salmon I release go belly up.
the long lead lines will do it, too long of a battle in warm water. i see posts with people using up to 20 colors of lead. i would poke my eyes out before doing that
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My Salmon trips end in NH right about Memorial Day weekend Dick, so sorry I cant help you out here. Id have better info if you were looking Champlain or Ontario. I cant be bothered with going on the salmon lakes in NH once all the recreational boats hit the water. From many requests for information I have received lately, not many people even understand what the thermocline is and how to catch salmon. They are asking me about trolling 30ft down for salmon, which sounds good except that they are over 40ft of water. It doesn't appear that people know that salmon are a cold water species and that trolling in bays of water that are too warm will not bring any hookup success. Having a depth/temp probe is really the best way to find those fish once the water warms and sets up.
Good luck!
Scott, How about your input related to Lake Champlain. Now is the time that Champlain United will be reporting dozens of salmon pulled up from 50 or 60 feet of water. They also tell me that they have no obvious hook damage?? I fish Champlain until mid July because I'm pretty much out of the Inland Sea and the warm water fish are too tempting>
Dick
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Joe, Contact John Viar the Big Lakes biologist for confirmation that salmon brought up from 54 degree depths will have high mortality when fought in 70 degree plus surface water. Whenever I live well a summer salmon into surface temp. water is takes a few minutes before it is dead.
Since you evening fish for salmon out of you cottage I would love to have you keep track of your catch and release or better your catch and eat?
Dick
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I think I mentioned this recently but a cold water fish brought up from the deep and swims away in the summer months does by no means guarantee it's survival.
DB, You ought to go over your rule book again.
Any Winni fish (maybe other NH LL lakes) that are being kept need to be dispatched immediately!
No more live wells. If I was planning to keep them this time of year, I'd put them on ice vs. 70+ degree water. ;)
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Digest pg. 11 - unlawful actions- No person shall have live lake trout, landlocked salmon, brook trout, black bass, northern pike, or black crappie in their possession, except if the person is a bass tournament permittee or is an aquaculturist permittee or has a permit to import possess or release these fish.
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be careful with that livewell in maine if you cross borders. thats a ticket, 1 year loss license, and an 8 hour course in ethics
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I think I mentioned this recently but a cold water fish brought up from the deep and swims away in the summer months does by no means guarantee it's survival.
DB, You ought to go over your rule book again.
Any Winni fish (maybe other NH LL lakes) that are being kept need to be dispatched immediately!
No more live wells. If I was planning to keep them this time of year, I'd put them on ice vs. 70+ degree water. ;)
Seahunt, thanks for reminding me. I'm so used to seeing Champlain fishemen showing salmon in their live wells. On the other hand I remember watching two Kayakers come into Alton this Spring with live salmon on stringers?
Dick
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Digest pg. 11 - unlawful actions- No person shall have live lake trout, landlocked salmon, brook trout, black bass, northern pike, or black crappie in their possession, except if the person is a bass tournament permittee or is an aquaculturist permittee or has a permit to import possess or release these fish.
Thanks also to whitewing! I guess my point was that July and August salmon won't survive in a live with 70 degree plus water temp. As I mentioned I hope more salmon fishermen will spend just a couple of hours trolling and when they have two keepers they will simply BOP them on the head and throw them on ice! We have to endeavor to lower our catch and release numbers. Hoping that devout salmon anglers can offer ways to get more fishermen to do that??
Dick
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Seahunt, thanks for reminding me. I'm so used to seeing Champlain fishemen showing salmon in their live wells. On the other hand I remember watching two Kayakers come into Alton this Spring with live salmon on stringers?
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Well, that's two more that need to read the book and or change their ethics. ;)
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I'm sorry Dick but you aren't going to find a whole lot of salmon fishermen that actually take the utmost care of the fish they catch. John V. does not have a number for mortality rate in the summer, as no study on that has been done on that. He can probaBly give you a good estimate though. The bigger part is handling time, because if you land a 3lb salmon quickly and release it IMMEDIATELY then I would bet it's survival rate is actually pretty good. For those of you that don't do this, just get your two fish and leave. Think about the whole resource.
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Love these popcorn threads. Those that will will and those that won't won't..... The big worry should be about getting better forage for the fish in the bigger lakes. I get so tired hearing about the smelt that use to be everywhere now gone from many water bodies and fractions of historical highs in most that still contain them. I think John recognizes this as well as others. IMO that should be a big focus to better the fishery.
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Ok How do we get salmon fishermen to consider the "whole resource"? Are they willing take home a couple of fish and be satisfied that they had a good day as well as left a good number of growing fish??
Dick
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Short time salmon fisherman here so I'm not sure if I should reply to this post, but.....
I would like to challenge this posts participants to come to a consensus on two (sort of) items:
1. Best practices for releasing a salmonoid quickly.
2. 3 simple things fisherman can do to help the fish out. i.e. Changing out hooks, not using 20 colors of lead, changing spots on the lake when catching runt fish, etc.
Maybe this way some of us new salmon fisherman can have a reference to go to for best practices.
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I think the catch and release practices have come o long way in the last decade. A good rubber net and common sense go along ways. Barbless hooks always a good choice as well.minimal time out of the water is very important. Me and my buddy have really good luck keeping the fish in the net next to the boat swimming along. Sometimes up to five minutes and they speed right off and down when they get their bearings back. I have had bows stay right in the prop wash for quarter mile until they took off. Giving them time to let the latic acid subside from the fight is just as important. You guys know that have done it , You can feel the fish and know when it is ready to go. Again common sense goes a long way. Every fish every fight and conditions are different.
Short time salmon fisherman here so I'm not sure if I should reply to this post, bluckut.....
I would like to challenge this posts participants to come to a consensus on two (sort of) items:
1. Best practices for releasing a salmonoid quickly.
2. 3 simple things fisherman can do to help the fish out. i.e. Changing out hooks, not using 20 colors of lead, changing spots on the lake when catching runt fish, etc.
Maybe this way some of us new salmon fisherman can have a reference to go to for best practices.
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Joe, Contact John Viar the Big Lakes biologist for confirmation that salmon brought up from 54 degree depths will have high mortality when fought in 70 degree plus surface water. Whenever I live well a summer salmon into surface temp. water is takes a few minutes before it is dead.
Since you evening fish for salmon out of you cottage I would love to have you keep track of your catch and release or better your catch and eat?
Dick
I speak with Mr Viar quite a bit. I release every salmon I catch and have kept one brown to skin mount and ate 1 or 2 others in the last few years. I still disagree. I would have to witness them belly up to convince me. I'm sure the ones that jump several times may not fare as well as others but if you don't expose them to 90 degree temps while fumbling for a scale or tape measure and keep them in a rubber net and release them, they do fine.
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And while I would love to continue with this, I have to get up at 3am so I can yank a giant bow up from 25 feet. (which is well above the death depth of salmonids) Hopefully I will have a selfie to share with all of you because I am fishing alone. Wish me luck.
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Dick, you started this thread saying how this was a put and take fishery. What "whole resource" are you referring to? I support ethical aquaculture. ???
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Sorry Dick...I am lucky to hit winni for salmon one or two times after May but there are a few things that I think impact most salmon fishermen that do not live on the lake that you addressed:
1.) biologists would prefer they catch 2 salmon and pack it in rather than C and R 10-20: The cost of gas to get up to the lake and launching plus boat gas is probably well over $50 each trip. I think many fishermen not living on the lake would not want to spend that kind of money only to get on a hot bite, catch two fish and pick up gear. My recommendation to them would be "then drop down for lakers after those two"....but I can certainly see why fishermen - having heavily invested in their sport - want to enjoy a hot bite.
2.) There are several guides on the lake (God bless them). I don't think anyone would suggest that they tell their clients "well we caught two...the bite is pretty hot...we better pack it up". Plus these guys are GOOD at their craft. Its hard to suggest that rec fishermen pack it in but the professionals should fish hard for an entire charter.
It seems this has been a strange year on the Big Lake. Many are having trouble with adjusting. I don't feel that a fishermen who has been putting in lots of time trying to figure out the fishery and finally has a good day should feel he is unethical for enjoying that day (as long as he stays within the limits of the law). Again...I don't have a horse in the race as I rarely salmon fish after May. I also don't find myself cursing guides or summer time success story fishermen if I have an "off Spring" fishing the lake. While some behavior can be modified by following the Salmon Pledge without sacrificing a good day of fishing, I think how the lake is fished in the summer time is something that will not change. Part of the biologists job is to see how the resource is utilized and adjust how they manage it to maximize its success.
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And while I would love to continue with this, I have to get up at 3am so I can yank a giant bow up from 25 feet. (which is well above the death depth of salmonids) Hopefully I will have a selfie to share with all of you because I am fishing alone. Wish me luck.
Sounds great Joe :D Hope to see that picture today.
Dick
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???Mike, Like you I rarely troll for salmon after June. Careful release is probably even more important because the fish aren't in shock from temperature change? But back to my original post, I'm only concerned about the weeks after the thermocline has set up and salmon are concentrated in 40 or 50 ft. of water with 50 degree water temp. I know that its illegal but I would love to have fishermen put summer salmon in
70 plus degree live well and see how well they do? I don't think you will have to worry about wardens because I'm pretty sure you will find the salmon dead before you return to the launch? ???
Would it be a hardship to plan long range fishing trips before the heat of summer or in the fall? Would it be asking too much for Winni residents to catch a couple of fish and call it a day? Maybe even ask guides to troll fewer rods even when they have three children on board??
Should we mandate barbless, siwash hooks? How do we get all trollers to purchase a rubber net or even try to release the fish while still in the water?? Should we modify the Salmon Anglers Pledge to note that it isn't necessary to "stop" a boat while landing a fish??
How do we approach anglers, NEW to the salmon trolling adventure, to do all that is best for the salmon, while taking home a couple for a fish dinner? ???
Dick
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Dick, you started this thread saying how this was a put and take fishery. What "whole resource" are you referring to? I support ethical aquaculture. ???
fishnmachine, NH Big Lakes provide primarily stocked salmon and rainbow trout. They are provided so that they will grow and be caught.
The ideal would be for them to provide maximum year class sizes. Winni has become a 4 star fishery for salmon numbers and thus attracts numbers of trollers and possibly an equal amount of fish mortality?? That mortality might be in the younger salmon?? I guess its a large scale
aquaculture project?? The only difference is that commercial salmon aquaculture doesn't seem to be aimed at producing 5 or 6 pound Atlantic salmon? Now that Lake Winni seems to have such a shortage of 4 pound salmon (but has a great forage base of smelt) we have to decide where the blame is located?? We obviously kill far too many young salmon?? Maybe that is a good status quo? That's what I'm trying to understand.
Dick
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When someone starts talking “ethics” in relation to a legal fishing activity it almost makes my skin crawl. If salmon size and mortality rates were such an issue, you can rest assured that the government would intervene with further limit restrictions, tackle restrictions, and or season dates as necessary. Obviously supply and demand and income and expense are still within the scope of their vision, or more restrictions would be added. As in all things, economics is a ruling force.
Just so you understand I’m not just blowing smoke, I do support the Downeast Salmon Federation. I’d like nothing more than to be able to catch a wild-run Atlantic salmon, someday, even if it is through a lottery system. (Dang economic thing again!)
Preaching here is preaching to the choir. MFFers aren’t the problem, and are probably the most ethical fishermen you will find. IMO, thank you. 8)
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Wouldn't the flip side to that be this... If that many salmon are meeting there maker after being released would that not allow those left to thrive not having as much competition for food(Smelt). I think we are talking about a small percentage of fish being caught during these hot summer months as well. A good percentage of these fish are being caught and released early in the morning and evening. Not a lot of trolling activity during the day with so much recreational boating going on. Like Joe says, these fish come up into the warmer water to feed on other plentiful things and can handle the warmer temps for short periods of time so it is not a death sentence.
"The dissolved oxygen concentration of five milligrams per liter is commonly considered the minimum dissolved oxygen concentration required for the successful growth and reproduction of coldwater fish such as rainbow trout and salmon. "
That is the ideal threshold for them to thrive not necessarily survive. That is why I think some evening trolls can be more productive. You get a nice breeze and lots of recreational boat activity during the day and the top layer gets pretty stirred up and will contain more oxygen for the fish to come up.
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Well, I almost had him. Very big bow took 3 colors and spit the hook as he was eyeing me broadside on top. I did get two beautiful specimens. One was 3 1/2 weighed and the other was a bit bigger but I released it next to the boar. All alone. No pics
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Joe, Glad you got fish. If there is any one who might underestimate the size of a fish its probably you. Let me know when I can come down and handle the net and camera for you.
Best Dick
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the long lead lines will do it, too long of a battle in warm water. i see posts with people using up to 20 colors of lead. i would poke my eyes out before doing that
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Who uses 20 colors of lead core? That's 120 or more feet deep where a downrigger might be better to chase lakers in 100 ft, of water??
Reeling in 20 colors of lead would seem like a silly effort??
Dick
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I thought I read that after a certain amt of colors, the line levels off and it's useless to keep adding lead line. I'm not a physics expert so can someone verify if it's true?
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??? Joe, one hour of web research informs me that (at 5 ft per color ) leadcore will reach the thermocline at 50 ft. (10 colors) and seem to flatten out at that depth?? Of course that's at about 2 miles per hour? I guess if you wanted to troll at 1 mph the line could go even deeper??
I've never trolled more than 4 colors of lead core so I don't have any input about it fish catching success??
Dick
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I understand it drops 5 feet per color at 2mph. That's a given. I just thought I read somewhere that after a certain amount of colors, it levels off and it's fruitless to let any more out. I could be wrong. I may have dreamt it. ;D
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I understand it drops 5 feet per color at 2mph. That's a given. I just thought I read somewhere that after a certain amount of colors, it levels off and it's fruitless to let any more out. I could be wrong. I may have dreamt it. ;D
We use all 10 colors to target the depths successfully.........lead sinks..flouro or mono will level out..hope all is well Joe
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FWIW, 5' per color @ 2 mph SOG is pretty "standard" figuring.
Truth be known, the LC weight 12, 14, 15, 18, 27# etc. are huge factors.
They don't all have the same diameter lead. The sheathing thickness varies. "Thinner" helps sink "thicker" adds buoyancy.
Then we have the new micro leads.
Then there's current, water temp (cold water is more dense) etc..
Outside turns raise leads and inside turns the LC sinks (speed influences). ;D
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I understand it drops 5 feet per color at 2mph. That's a given. I just thought I read somewhere that after a certain amount of colors, it levels off and it's fruitless to let any more out. I could be wrong. I may have dreamt it. ;D
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Joe, I read that too. It stated that at 2 mph and 10 colors the lead line and leader wouldn't go any deeper?
Dick
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Just a personal observation and Curious as to other people's thoughts?
I don't hunt and troll alot throughout the year & from what others have commented so far... Personally I don't see there is as much pressure for the salmon during the warmer months (July& August) As was said water temps are up and although there may be a few boats out early... Most are off the water by 10am or so. Recreational boaters are all over the lakes by then and trolling at 2mph when the sun is beating down on You at 80-90*++ isnt too comfortable or very productive.
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???Keith. I've never been on the Big Pond mid summer? I would appreciate site members giving me some idea when the boat traffic becomes unbearable and if the sun is too much with top cover and ice cooler? Since the fish are coming from 50 deep I don't know how much the traffic would effect salmon as it does in May and June when fish are on the surface?
Anyone fishing the big mayfly hatches of late June or July knows that the trout will come into 70 degree plus water. They do this by choice for gourmet flies and can return to cooler water when they feel stressed. They can't put a lot of energy into a fight once hooked?
Dick
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the long lead lines will do it, too long of a battle in warm water. i see posts with people using up to 20 colors of lead. i would poke my eyes out before doing that
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Who uses 20 colors of lead core? That's 120 or more feet deep where a downrigger might be better to chase lakers in 100 ft, of water??
Reeling in 20 colors of lead would seem like a silly effort??
Dick
ive seen it on this site, people wanting a reel to hold 20 colors. i only have 1 10 color setup now, all my other reels are 2 or 3 color top shots over backing now. only reason i have a 10 color setup is that sometimes in may or june i like to handline suttons on 30 to 40 foot deep sandy shoals and getting a sutton down that deep at 1 mph is about 5 to 6 colors where i can feel the bottom drag. deadly on togue on sebago and over on willoughby. but yes, ive seen 20 colors posted here and know some that still pay out 10 colors of lead trolling for salmon, that salmon would be dead before it got to the boat
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???Keith. I've never been on the Big Pond mid summer? I would appreciate site members giving me some idea when the boat traffic becomes unbearable and if the sun is too much with top cover and ice cooler? Since the fish are coming from 50 deep I don't know how much the traffic would effect salmon as it does in May and June when fish are on the surface?
Anyone fishing the big mayfly hatches of late June or July knows that the trout will come into 70 degree plus water. They do this by choice for gourmet flies and can return to cooler water when they feel stressed. They can't put a lot of energy into a fight once hooked?
Dick
I was out in the big pond Saturday, and the only salmon/bows we got were after 10am, and in the top 20' of water. The salmon actually hit a steamer on full sink fly line which really surprised me. And the two bows came on 4 colors of lead. All nice healthy fish, and the two we cleaned were chock full of bugs. It was very difficult to leave once the bite picked up, but after a few brain farts and having to release a dead laker we called it. (Laker was 17 or I would have eaten him, and was foul hooked and got dragged up from 100'+. Made three separate attempts, but had to leave him for the eagle)
As far as fishing pressure we were the only boat trolling at 10am except for a few idiots who kept lifting 8" salmon out of the water and shaking them off. That really bugged me, but can't say much when it's not illegal. There were probably 10 boats out there In there in the early morning, but we were down to two of us by 9-10am. I think most people call it early this time of year. We had 4 people in the boat including my brother who doesn't get a chance to get out much so we kept grinding through all the pleasure boaters, and I am glad we did.
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zwiggle ??? I think rainbows can handle warmer water than salmon? Did you live well any fish?? I don't know how to educate those killing of young salmon?? Still glad you caught some fish!
Dick
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Why would they live well them? They get released or killed and kept.
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No live well for me. In the past when I attempted to revive fish in the live well during the summer it never worked. I even tried adding ice to the water to cool it down, but it always seemed to be a death sentence for the fish. I try to make sure that the fish is off as soon as possible during the summer, and only take pics of the ones were going to eat. The laker that expired fell out of the net and hit the boat carpeting which I'm pretty sure sealed his fate.
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???Mike, Like you I rarely troll for salmon after June. Careful release is probably even more important because the fish aren't in shock from temperature change? But back to my original post, I'm only concerned about the weeks after the thermocline has set up and salmon are concentrated in 40 or 50 ft. of water with 50 degree water temp. I know that its illegal but I would love to have fishermen put summer salmon in
70 plus degree live well and see how well they do? I don't think you will have to worry about wardens because I'm pretty sure you will find the salmon dead before you return to the launch? ???
Would it be a hardship to plan long range fishing trips before the heat of summer or in the fall? Would it be asking too much for Winni residents to catch a couple of fish and call it a day? Maybe even ask guides to troll fewer rods even when they have three children on board??
Should we mandate barbless, siwash hooks? How do we get all trollers to purchase a rubber net or even try to release the fish while still in the water?? Should we modify the Salmon Anglers Pledge to note that it isn't necessary to "stop" a boat while landing a fish??
How do we approach anglers, NEW to the salmon trolling adventure, to do all that is best for the salmon, while taking home a couple for a fish dinner? ???
Dick
Did you live well any fish?? I don't know how to educate those killing of young salmon??
DB... It's stuff like the above that isn't going to help anyone's "education." ::)
If your boat has any free board at all, don't mess with taking hooks out overboard. Does more harm then any possible good it could.
It's become obvious that you have this thing about watching salmonoids die in warm live wells!
"We've" already enlightened you about it's illegality. Why are you still promoting or even bringing up the subject?
I'm guessing your motives are good. Know that you're looking for real data for your upcoming article.
More education is fine as long as it's done by people with experience who know the rules.
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???I think it does help fishermen to learn but I'm not sure that this site has access to brand new salmon fishermen?? Could you let me see a view of your boat and gear and give me an idea of your annual fishing schedule?
Dick
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???I think it does help fishermen to learn but I'm not sure that this site has access to brand new salmon fishermen?? Could you let me see a view of your boat and gear and give me an idea of your annual fishing schedule?
Dick
Not sure what the boat has to do with it??
I've put as many as 3-4 days a week on Winni in the past.
Many trips to Lake O, plenty of trips to Champ and many, many on the salt.
Hope this helps DB? ;)
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CD you forgot to show DB your collection of fishing lures. ::)
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OK! Seahunt ::) I love your boat! But it indicates a Winni fisherman who plans to be trolling several days a week and do a great deal of catch and release with friends and family on board. There are many of you along the shore of Winni. I doubt than any of you would (or could) resort to fishing for warm water fish once the thermocline endangers salmon? Maybe I'm just jealous :o
I thought I was a grumpy old curmudgeon but with a salmon like that you are supposed to have a wide grin!! ;D Check out Denny's bass boat photo and you will see what I turn to when the water gets this warm? We are both jealous??
Have a great summer!
Dick
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Dick
i think your going to have a hard time turning peoples opinions in nh on the thermocline, most in the know look forward to the time that the lake sets up. and as for younger salmon fishermen, its july and august that they bring their families to the lake, traditional summer vacation, these may be the hardcore iceout fishermen in the future but for now it may be their only time to fish salmon during the year. what i see on winnie its a more landlocked destination, on my lake in maine more leave the fresh after iceout and start on the salt and on sebago the fish in summer is generally togue, we call them the togue fleet and they set up in areas with far fewer salmon, not much structure. i dont have much info on young of year smelt but in august they seem to endure the warmer water, i see them on top in giant schools dimpling the surface, thats what the salmon are looking for in august and are up top swarming them in warm water. ive seen salmon ripping thru the surface like a shark attack chasing bait on the surface in august
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OK! Seahunt ::) I love your boat! But it indicates a Winni fisherman who plans to be trolling several days a week and do a great deal of catch and release with friends and family on board. There are many of you along the shore of Winni. I doubt than any of you would (or could) resort to fishing for warm water fish once the thermocline endangers salmon? Maybe I'm just jealous :o
I thought I was a grumpy old curmudgeon but with a salmon like that you are supposed to have a wide grin!! ;D Check out Denny's bass boat photo and you will see what I turn to when the water gets this warm? We are both jealous??
Have a great summer!
Dick
Dick you still are that's CD's "game face". I believe that CD is on the salt now not Winni. My bass boat is an older "Arkansas Traveler" flat bottom. Great for smaller ponds and lakes and river running.
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And now we know who taught AquaAssassin to pose for a fish pic lol. Good stuff CD, I hope your summer outings have been going well.
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CD you forgot to show DB your collection of fishing lures. ::)
there would not be enough storage in his photobucket account :laugh: :laugh: Nice pictures SeaHunt 8)
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CD you forgot to show DB your collection of fishing lures. ::)
Thanks Denny. ;)
Now that you mention it, I've been meaning to do this for years for insurance purposes.
A few things to keep in mind....These are not all my lures or Winni spoons.
I have a bunch more Winni spoons, YOY spoons, at least half as many streamers, a whole nuther bag of Champ spoons, salt gear and ice fishing gear etc..
DISCLAIMER: I am well aware of people that have much more gear then myself.
It's a terrible addiction. :(
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OK! Seahunt ::) I love your boat! But it indicates a Winni fisherman who plans to be trolling several days a week and do a great deal of catch and release with friends and family on board. There are many of you along the shore of Winni. I doubt than any of you would (or could) resort to fishing for warm water fish once the thermocline endangers salmon? Maybe I'm just jealous :o
I thought I was a grumpy old curmudgeon but with a salmon like that you are supposed to have a wide grin!! ;D Check out Denny's bass boat photo and you will see what I turn to when the water gets this warm? We are both jealous??
Have a great summer!
Dick
DB! ??? I don't know how else to say this? I've read your comments for years! You are old enough to know what happens when you ASSUME!
First off, I do NOT live on the shores of Winni or any other body of water. It takes me an hour and 15 minutes to get to my friend's dock on Winni. He has graciously let me use his dock for 7 or 8 years gratis. When I want to go to the salt or elsewhere I go get my boat or jump on a friends.
Please don't pretend to guess what I may resort to when the water warms up. BTW, There is NO thermacline on Winni as of last week and I'm confident that there isn't one now.
NO one in my family fishes except me.
You are correct, in that I'm a grumpy old curmudgeon. I grew up with different values, social responsibility and a work ethic that are far less prevalent today. I'm so miserable the only friend I had was imaginary and I haven't seen him in years. ;)
Denny (of course) is also correct in that that's my game face. :-X
Thanks,Stealth. :) BTW, I happen to know AA is his own man. I expect we both came by those solemn faces naturally. ;)
DB, I did check out Denny's "bass" boat and admired it!
I was a little jealous cuz his is most likely newer then mine?
Mine's a 1964 Arkansaw Traveler pushed by a 2 HP air cooled Honda. ;D
Here's a pic while I was putting new mahogany rub rails on her.
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Thanks, Tom. Glad to hear the Dusky is on the water. 8)
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CD your ARK looks a lot better than my ARK. Billary would love yours. I didn't see any super-dupers in your lure collection. I had one of those imaginary friends too. She left me when I found my first girlfriend. :cookoo:
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??? ::)Seahunt? I have to agree with my friend Denny? Your lure collection has to be in contention with even some of the Winni Guides??
If I had that much invested in spoons I'm sure my wife would have shut me down decades ago.
Do you have a pet lure for Winni or Champalin salmon? I've just ordered a half dozen Tamiron Purple People Eaters?
Dick
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CD your ARK looks a lot better than my ARK. Billary would love yours. I didn't see any super-dupers in your lure collection. I had one of those imaginary friends too. She left me when I found my first girlfriend. :cookoo:
You're too funny, Denny. :rotflol:
Actually, my super-dupers (love em) CP's and Mepps etc. are in my "trout bag".
Forgot all about that. :-[
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??? ::)Seahunt? I have to agree with my friend Denny? Your lure collection has to be in contention with even some of the Winni Guides??
If I had that much invested in spoons I'm sure my wife would have shut me down decades ago.
Do you have a pet lure for Winni or Champalin salmon? I've just ordered a half dozen Tamiron Purple People Eaters?
Dick
Yeah, I had a wife like that once. ;D
No pets for me! Just like the draft animals I had, if they ain't working they're gone.
I can go a while where certain patterns/ colors work in similar light conditions and depths.
My MO typically is bright days, bright lures etc. I eventually figured out that it doesn't always hold true.
And there are "different shades of grey" so to speak.
My most productive bright day and dark day spoons are two I taped. I have multiples of both patterns on different blanks.
FWIW, I don't use much purple on Winni and I use it a lot on Champ.
I have some Tamiron spoons. I don't use them on Winni except rarely an MP 6
On Champ I'll use the MP 6 in a blue bobo or maybe a green bobo. I have a lot of other blanks that I have more confidence in though.
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Wow. What a collection. But you should have a rack that's all Sutton too! Did you make those spoon cases yourself, and if so, do they have lids or someway of 'closing'? I need a similar set-up.
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I bought a few of those folders this year at AJs. He also has a case for holding them which is pretty slick. They work really well for flies as well.
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I think I need to report you to the moderator. That is downright p0rn0graphic right there.
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Thanks folks...
Like I said, the previous pics are not all the spoons I have. Those are the ones I typically have in my Winni bag.
I have "collections" per species, fisheries etc..
Wow. What a collection. But you should have a rack that's all Sutton too! Did you make those spoon cases yourself, and if so, do they have lids or someway of 'closing'? I need a similar set-up.
Like this, Mr. Harry?
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I have some West River's and other Suttons but would have to dig around for them.
Suttons are great spoons. My fav is the 61 "hard body". Wish they still made them.
But... they're not the end all. Lot's of good spoons out there and they all will catch fish when presented properly.
Confidence in your lures tends to determine which you use the most. ;)
I don't make those holders. CRS prevents me from telling you the original mfgr. Modified- they are Hook-um pads
If AJ still has them, that's great! They went out of business for a while and then I heard they came back.
Amish outfitters has good knock offs.
The available "bag" from both the original and AO's holds 5-7 pads depending on the size of the spoons etc..
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Thanks for the tip!