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Title: tip wrap
Post by: fishogger on Aug 09, 2019, 04:34 PM
no not that. lol  im talking about my main beef with braid.  get all in a rush to cast back to that school and wt_ , g-d**n  tip wrap again.  is there a cure for this somehow?  I know it has cost me fish at times.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: SHaRPS on Aug 12, 2019, 11:26 AM
no not that. lol  im talking about my main beef with braid.  get all in a rush to cast back to that school and wt_ , g-d**n  tip wrap again.  is there a cure for this somehow?  I know it has cost me fish at times.

From someone that fishes almost exclusively braid, No. LOL Take that extra second to look at the tip before each cast and it will actually result in more casts in a given span of time. Actually, you can also use a longer leader of mono or flouro so that your braid is not at the tip when you are casting. problem solved.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: slipperybob on Aug 13, 2019, 04:38 AM
Give up on all straight braid and take time to learn to tie on a top shot...aka long leader of mono or flourocarbon line.

Always take that extra ounce of prevention for that pound of headache.

I've only lost one lure only, but it was a crowded fishing spot and windy that day.  Some people, well most people are lousy with casting and they're all over the place.  Crossed lines crossed over lanes of casting.  Braid is very bad with tangles.  I hesitated or rather pulled back on my cast due to other people and on my next cast, braid was wrapped on tip and poof lure goes flying into the yonder wet bottom.

With mono or flouro, it's less likely to tip wrap...but at times one must deal with line coils or line stretch.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: ezturn on Aug 15, 2019, 07:18 AM
I have had the same problem when tying a leader direct to braid . Now I use a small Spro swivel problem solved.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: lowaccord66 on Aug 15, 2019, 07:24 AM
One tip Id recommend is avoid using a knot to connect braid and Flouro.  The Flouro folds like paper and weakens where the fold is (alberto, albright knots specifically)  Ive had some disappointing knot failures when big stripers have ripped the braid right through 60# flouro.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: Rugburn on Aug 15, 2019, 08:17 AM
Many of the rules for knots, that work good on smaller # line, go out the window when you step up in line sizes like 60lbs.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: Jethro on Aug 15, 2019, 08:18 AM
That's for sure. Improved albright is what I use and it works great for braid to flouro. Never had a failure but I'm not dealing with 60# flouro.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: fishogger on Aug 15, 2019, 10:22 AM
guess ill deal with it as have been. bi_ch n cus. lol  im not a big fan of braid to mono knots.  I use swivel for that.  the stuff is so strong it gets worn and lip, instead of broken off.  then it gets worse I think.  have to start cutting a bit off maybe.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: fishogger on Aug 15, 2019, 10:23 AM
and the suggestions are appreciated all.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 15, 2019, 11:06 AM
I belong to a few rod building forums.
I posed the question to the masses.
I'm hoping they might be able to point me to a specific tip top style that reduces this problem.
Swapping a tip top is very inexpensive.

I'll let you know what they come back with.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 15, 2019, 12:11 PM
First response -


"Itís not totally visible, but braid has texture, as opposed to mono. It grabs. When someone asks me to build them a rod, I always ask what line they intend to use...and adjust my guide sizes accordingly. If braid is their choice, then I make sure to use a tip top one size larger than Iíd normally use. All the fancy guides in the world canít make up for a choke point and friction. A tip top will succumb to that if a builder went a size smaller than the running guides."
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: Johnnh on Aug 15, 2019, 04:41 PM
Mac,

Question for you regarding mono.

I fished tournament trails in New England for years and used stren sensor for a long time and heated it up in warm water to reduce memory. That line was excellent and you could probably tow a boat with it.

When sensor went away, I switched to braid and used mono backer and in an effort to help reduce rod tip issues, i use mono leaders tied with uni knots.

Are there rod tips that work better with braid and would that eliminate mono leaders?
Most of my bass rods are St Croix, Shimono and Loomis.

John
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 15, 2019, 04:44 PM
2nd response -

Fuji wrap on tips work the best to combat that issue
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 15, 2019, 04:48 PM
Mac,


Are there rod tips that work better with braid and would that eliminate mono leaders?
Most of my bass rods are St Croix, Shimono and Loomis.

John

Thatís what Iím asking the rod tying groups I belong to.  Iím a relative newbie to rod making.

I use floro for my leaders on my braid on my few casting rods.  So I suppose my solution to this problem is to tie on a leader.  A leader of mono or floro.

Very good thread.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: Johnnh on Aug 15, 2019, 05:21 PM
Thanks Mac
John
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: Mac Attack on Aug 15, 2019, 05:52 PM
Another comment -

ďArowana tiptops by Fugi has performed well on 10'6+ rods using thin 20# and 30# braid for me over anything.ď
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: taxid on Aug 16, 2019, 07:56 AM
Speaking of using a fluorocarbon leader... on vacation recently I filled up the spinning reel spool with fluorocarbon. Maybe it was the way I put it on the reel, but I never had so many twists and tangles in my life. And  I was just casting! Is that typical?
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: SHaRPS on Aug 16, 2019, 07:58 AM
Speaking of using a fluorocarbon leader... on vacation recently I filled up the spinning reel spool with fluorocarbon. Maybe it was the way I put it on the reel, but I never had so many twists and tangles in my life. And  I was just casting! Is that typical?

How did you spool it?
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: taxid on Aug 16, 2019, 09:28 AM
Like I always do: laid the spool on the floor and allowed it to uncoil as I reeled it into reel. Never had issues like this with other lines. It was horrible!
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: SHaRPS on Aug 16, 2019, 09:40 AM
Like I always do: laid the spool on the floor and allowed it to uncoil as I reeled int into reel. Never had issues like this with other lines. It was horrible!

I am wondering what you were casting and how you were retrieving it. Stop and go retrieve will definitely make your line twist. I also wonder what type of flouro you spooled up with. One line I will never buy again is the basspro flouro. Terrible. Either way, drag a bunch of line behind your kayak the next time you are out so it can untwist. Conditioning your line will also help big time.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: taxid on Aug 16, 2019, 04:57 PM
Thanks. I got it at Walmart so...

Was fishing at night casting a jitterbug.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: jeffmac85 on Aug 28, 2019, 03:30 PM
Spinning reels when casted create line twist.    I have the same problem casting my centerpin setup because I side cast.   Not a lot you can do to combat the tip wrap when the line twists with every cast.   Try using fuji K frame guides the shape of the guide helps to allow the line to fall off of the guide if it becomes wrapped but even they are not an ultimate solution.  If you use a spinning reel the only true fix is to check to make sure you aren't wrapped up before each cast, that or learn to cast a bait caster.   These reels feed line straight in and out without twisting like a spinning reel, similar to a Wallis or pull cast with a float reel
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: taxid on Sep 01, 2019, 08:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/MoS0gpb.jpg)
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: fishogger on Sep 01, 2019, 01:55 PM
I have actually done that with bait casters. lol
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: taxid on Sep 01, 2019, 09:07 PM
I have actually done that with bait casters. lol

 :rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: lowaccord66 on Sep 04, 2019, 01:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/MoS0gpb.jpg)

Joking aside...that is how the manufacturer rolls the line on the spool and its how you should fill your spool.  If you lay the spool flat and fill your spool you are twisting the line up a lot.  Youll probably notice once you're half way through filling that the line tries to loop up before making it onto your spool.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: SHaRPS on Sep 05, 2019, 11:04 AM
Jon you are spot on. I never understood the "lay it flat" approach. I guess some people see it as coming off the spool in a circle and think that's how it should get back onto the reel. The other problem with that theory is the spool is larger than the reel (in most circumstances). This alone means that you will never get a 1:1 ratio of it laying on the spool the same uniform way. Maybe I am wrong, but I always spool my line as in the picture above without issues. The types of lures you are tossing will also create line twist, as will reeling while a fish is taking line. If this happens, condition your line with a full spool and also again after casting.
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: taxid on Sep 05, 2019, 12:56 PM
Thank you gentlemen. I will do it the right way from now on. Unfortunately my present crocks don't have those handy holes. I knew I should't have pitched my last once the thread wore down!
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: Fishermantim on Sep 16, 2019, 02:43 PM
Here's one that I've experienced (with cheap, crappy braids)...the braid would literally knot itself around the first guide while I was casting.
There was no noticeable slack, like when you are "pitching" a lure, I was making a distance cast with a rubber paddle-tail worm (which weighs a little more than a ribbon-tail worm). The tangle/knot occurs within the first 10-15 feet of line, in some cases causing the worm to tear and in one case snapping the line (cheap braid, what did I expect?).

Between the "mystery" knot and consistent mysterious "wind-knots", the 2 lines I used didn't last I day before I re-spooled and tossed the old line in the trash. I will NEVER buy these braids, and probably ANY line at all from these two companies.
(BassPro and MUSTAD braids)

I was fortunate enough to have some of my favorite braid so this hasn't happened again.
Why did I change line? I wanted to "give them a shot" and see how they handled.

They both failed miserably!
 
Title: Re: tip wrap
Post by: fishogger on Sep 18, 2019, 04:00 AM
it good to have this tip wrap support group.   :laugh:

thanks for the suggestions all.  had a good one couple days ago.  it tightened up and took me 3-4min. to pick it out.  >:( of Corse it was in middle of a frenzy.  thankfully most just take a shake to release.