PIKEHUNTER, ANOTHER WAY I DO WELL IN FALL ON FINGER LAKES IS WITH LEAD CORE LINE WITH ABOUT 125 FEET MONO LEADER DOWN 8 OR 9 COLORS WITH A SMALL STICKBAIT --SHOULD RUN AT 45-50 FEET DOWN AT 2-2.5MPH--THIS IS A CHEAPER WAY WITHOUT DOWNRIGGERS!!!! GOOD LUCK AND KEEP US POSTED