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RoeBoat

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Re: Hurshtown
« Reply #45 on: Jul 15, 2019, 12:55 PM »
If the average life span of a walleye is around 15-20 years why would you think ours in Indiana are only making it 5-6 years?
I have no idea if the size limit is helping but it surely isn't hurting anything other than number of legal fish being caught.  Which seems like at some point should turn the corner if the fish in the body of water are reproducing.

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« Reply #46 on: Jul 15, 2019, 01:40 PM »
If the average life span of a walleye is around 15-20 years why would you think ours in Indiana are only making it 5-6 years?
I have no idea if the size limit is helping but it surely isn't hurting anything other than number of legal fish being caught.  Which seems like at some point should turn the corner if the fish in the body of water are reproducing.
I'm not sure if the avg life span of a Indiana walleye is 15 to 20 yrs or even what the avg growth in inches is for a Indiana walleye. What I see from the years since the regulation change is not yielding any higher number or legal size fish or even larger fish at all. As I've said before the only difference I have seen is fewer harvestable size fish. I don't think there is much natural reproduction in any of Indiana waters. The state really needs to continue stocking programs that seems to keep populations the same. I think for the most part our walleye fishery is a Put and take resource. At some point unless something changes we should go back to a size limit that allows for more take. I miss those 14 in walleye fillets. Once you get up to the 20 inch fish they just aren't as good to eat anyway. I hope things do change and a limit of 16 plus inch fish can be had as easily as the 14 plus inch fish used to be.     

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Re: Hurshtown
« Reply #47 on: Jul 15, 2019, 08:31 PM »
untrue.  I know for fact that eyes reproduce in at least 2 of our inland lakes.  and I also know they do grow big if not harvested.  I have personally netted 2 walleyes over 27" from our inland waters.  not to mention all the 20-24s.   harvest is their biggest hurdle IMO.  I don't personally know anyone that releases keeper walleye(unless they are caught from a river).  slot limit could grow more big ones MAYBE. lol

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Re: Hurshtown
« Reply #48 on: Jul 15, 2019, 09:34 PM »
Fish hogger is correct on the walley hatches. Dnr had a post sometime in the last 5 months yhat they did a shock on bass lake and they found many small walley . That was in the range of around 4 inches . And said that the numbers that the my pulled up had to be hatchlings . Because there was no reported recent stocking of walleye and if someone had privately stocked it they would have had to spend thousands of dollars to do so

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« Reply #49 on: Jul 16, 2019, 05:56 AM »
I agree there is some natural reproduction in most our bodies of water that have eyes. I don't think its enough to maintain the resource over time. Stockings are required to improve the numbers. Yes you'll always have a few big fish but I'm talking about the avg harvestable size fish. I'm mostly a river guy so let me tell you what I have seen over 40 yrs of walleye fishing. Back in the early 70's the state stocked the three upper resi's with walleyes. They did that for maybe ten yrs until they decided there was no reproduction happening and the fishery was basically a put and take project and handed the restocking over to the property managers of the sally and missy to raise and continue the stocking in the resi's. The fish never really showed up in any kind of numbers in the resi's but did do very well in the river because they made threw the discharge. For many yrs the walleye fishing has been very good in the river even though no real state or local stockings are going on. It's all natural reproduction now but at the same time the fishing is slowly going down hill. Still very good when conditions are right but noticeable less than a few yrs ago when stocking continued. The whole state benefits from the stockings not just the lake since the Wabash basically feeds all areas of the state. Right now I'm seeing the least amount of harvestable size fish as well as much fewer fish over all. I believe there two factors, natural reproduction can't keep up on it's own and size regulation that prevents as much harvest.       

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Re: Hurshtown
« Reply #50 on: Jul 17, 2019, 07:15 AM »
sure some waters just cant reproduce but others in the state are doing great.  one lake hasn't been stocked for like 18yrs and it still has catchable numbers.  In your Wabash river I would say the flatheads eat most of them up. they hang in the same areas and the eyes just cant grow big enough to not be eaten by them.  another thing that hurt the stockings years ago is the size of the stockers.  they stocked fingerlings back then. that's economical but stupid.  other fish just used them for snacks.  when they started stocking larger fish in sylvan survival skyrocketed.  sylvan reproduces on its own now but they still stock it.  would they need to? I don't know?  with the pressure it gets I don't think any amount of stocking could keep up.  a few avoid capture and do grow big though.  I sure don't know how though. lol

they stocked our local res. 40 years ago too but they just didn't survive and it was called off.  these days there is a catchable population below the area dams with some 25+" fish caught.  they did that all on their own with no help from IDNR accept the initial start.

we have a cottage on a chain of lakes.  the lake association stocked eyes several years ago 1 time.  now they are caught in all the lakes connected.  the upper lake has some nice wind blown sand and rock bars for them to spawn on.  and im sure a lot of them spawn in the creek/river too. just have to wait and see what the next ten years brings.  there has been some mid 20s fish caught there also.

couple years ago you were on here talking about all the limits of walleye you were catching on the Wabash and telling people to come fish it.  made me think you owned a tackle shop down that way and was trying to drum up business. lol  but you never put up pics to validate those amazing catches so most seasoned fishermen probably blew it off as talk.  I used to fish your neck of the woods 25years ago and never seen numbers that you claimed but it surly could have changed since.  if so why did it change so much?  have they stocked eyes in the last 25years in that system?

another thing that blows my mind it Erie.  its ringed with industry that is allowed to dump pollution in it and almost all the rivers that feed it are under consumption advisories.  yet you see people keeping and feeding these large toxic fish to their children every day.  yet in the river they toss them back because they are nasty. lmao  same friggin fish people!  if they ever came out and said top not eat those erie eyes the economy would crash over there.  makes me wonder if they know more than they say about it but are just keeping quiet.

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Re: Hurshtown
« Reply #51 on: Jul 17, 2019, 09:10 AM »
As far as the rivers go, I believe there are more walleye/saugeye present today than 35-40 years ago.  We fished them when I was younger and caught fish but not the limits of fish that have come in the last couple decades.  40 years ago I didn't hear much about walleye being caught on the St Marys where I grew up.   In 2003 while I owned a sporting goods store a gentleman brought in a 28" out of the same water.  There are several areas now that limits are caught each spring in the same areas.  Obviously these fish are reproducing and they also benefited from stockings on the reservoirs in the systems.

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Re: Hurshtown
« Reply #52 on: Jul 17, 2019, 10:20 AM »
I have no monetary gain from any of my reports just want to help people have as much fun as I have had over the yrs. The fishing has always been good for eyes and many other species as far back as I can remember. Problem was back in the early 70's when stockings really started showing up I didn't now how to fish for walleye since it was a somewhat new target for me and I was young. After a lot of years I've got better just by putting in the time. I think fishing for eyes peaked about 8 to 10 years ago and has steadily lessened since the big stockings stopped. The properties did the resi stocking until the last couple years. The  numbers are down not from my post that as far as I can tell hasn't increase the amount of pressure. I feel sure the river can't be over fished because of the quickly changing conditions that prevents fishing. The river is 530 miles long and almost every body of water drains in to it so some what i'll call natural seed reproduction is always happening. I do wish I could post pictures and have tried more than once to be able to get set up but it's not going to happen. If anyone wants to meet me or get a look at me be watching the Ft Wayne TV stations next week for info about the Wabash River Defenders cleanup event or go on line for info about  next Saturdays the 27th event. I also can be heard on a couple three local radio station from Friday to the 26th. We're always hoping for more volunteers. Pm welcomed. If you don't want to eat wild fish from a certain body of water that's more than alright with me but please don't think any less of me. I'm more concerned with what I'm getting from businesses than what I catch from the waters I fish regardless of advisories. And yes I know what they are. The waters that the river defenders have been testing  for a few years now are showing that the quality is improving from past testing done years ago. I believe that way more wild  fish were being consumed years ago from much worse water than we have now.         

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Re: Hurshtown
« Reply #53 on: Jul 25, 2019, 07:39 PM »
what does he charge Roe?  I heard he was guiding people up there.

I've only seen him by himself in his boat and his brother is there alot by himself in his boat also... rumors of him keeping small fish are false as well. I've seen him repeatedly throw back as many fish as I do.The way I see it if I didn't see it it didn't happen...

 



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