Thanks, Grump, this guy is a hard-core carper....he'll sit all night for weeks on end without a bite and still go! But he's having more luck lately. I would of suggested he go someplace where there's carp to fish for but that part of Canada perhaps has the postcard pretty scenery....and if you maybe are getting just one trip.... you know, I always thought one of the most beautiful areas in the country was Rainy River, and another was the Grinrod region up in the northern Okanagan (or is that Shushwap)whatever. If I could meddle I'd tell him to go to rent-a-wreck and get a Tempo or something, learn to drive on the right side of the road and go all over, but I guess there's family considerations. Thanks again, Buzz