esox see what you can find on how hatcherys seperate a skaminia from a washington strain .... another question if a domestic is artificailly forced to spawn using light and temps to fool it's body into believeing it's spring or late winter ....why would it continue to spawn in the natural fall when those forced factors are now gone? another words fall is no longer false spring it's fall ..... and the light is not getting longer but getting shorter ..... the bio clock should go back to it's natural state ...as it merely reacted to the light and temps being made to mimic spring
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Skamania steelhead spawn in the spring they just enter the river early.... One of the key factors you will see repeating in systems with Fall spawning fish is the domestic or hatchery raised captive broodstock... There are many different strains spring and autum spawning rainbows.. Do a search on the London strain of Rainbow trout. see what you can dig up....................this is also an interesting read...http://mdc4.mdc.mo.gov/Documents/11939.pdf
i got a picture of mutley!!!!i seen the red on his throat so i was thinking cut throat , then i seen the bright red on his head and his stocky body i figured domstic ...... yup this is a cross mute fer sure
bob i think what it is , people that have a real interest in steelhead salmon and trout are seeing traits becoming shared and not just used by any one strain! it appears to be happening threw out the great lakes and not just here....this altering the spawning time table has caused alarm for me now that i have had time to think about it .... severeal questions loom ...! why bother to alter the spawning ? 2 are these fish released in other waters and if just released in ontario ,can't they travel upstreams .... we have all seen salmon go threw the locks and end up way above fulton and in black creek ! waterhouse creek and so on ....3 will this cause problems with wild reprodoucing fish ? i'm not just talking the ontario fishery here .....
Just never have a "Rainbow" & an obvious chrome Steelhead in his possession EVER at the same time on a stringer. Now that's coming from a guy that's been doing this over 16 years up there. Bob you can only have one as the book reads One Rainbow/steelhead over 21 inches. So if its a steelhead or a rainbow you can only keep one!! End of Story there... WHO you talk to. So.......................has anyone asked the DEC, you know...........da man: what is a Domestic Rainbow? We've all been going to the wrong source for our answers! Shame on us! (more sarcasm)Oh, and you SC guys are even more confused than the MFF clan.
Esoxv and myself spent 40 mins talk to a biologist who works at the Hatchery on Saturday, she was doing a creel servey. She said that there are domestic fall spawning rainbows in the lake and the River systems.. She also said that a good fisherman can tell the difference between the two fish.. Hence Steelhead and Domestic Rainbows.
I agree with everything that was said.... but.... She was a fish tec i believe.. Not a biologist
Ok now I'm convinced that James Rainbow colored fish is not a Rainbow at all. Here's the reason why:- "also the bows have a lot of spots through out the face and a Steelhead typically will not". Aaron Shooks (Steelhead expert and guide) answer to my question is as simple as that. http://www.hobofishing.com/Look closely at the picture and in particular at the middle ?Rainbow? or ?Steelhead?. STEELHEAD! I zoomed in on Tinypic and there are NO spots on it's face............none!!!"We" that is all of us that are interested in this topic, just might have hit the jackpot!!! Some may be happy about it and some might be angry about it but it is what it is. Might I conclude case closed? NO because the learning is not over and "we" have not arrived to a full and complete understanding of this species. There is more to learn just watch and see. If anyone would like me to forward a copy of the picture so you can zoom in as I did just let me know. I guarantee you will see for yourself! i would not get too hung up on using the spots on the head as the big factor in deciding if it is a domestic rainbow or steelhead. as your steelhead expert says "typically" . looking at pics of chrome steel a fair number have spots on the head , and i have one looks like a dom rainbow in all way except no spots. if you want i can post some pics when i get a chance. imho that one looks like a young ?2 year rainbow , older fish will start to look more like the typical fish of the strain .It can be easy to id a fish if it dsplays all the characteristics of the strain but there are many times when it is in a grey zone and the best most of us could say is it could be this or it could be that. otherwise good discussion and looking forward to read your links whe i have a chance.
a fish tec does readings collects data and works in the hatchery ! no one is saying theres not fall spawning domestic rainbows !!!! michagan is saying hey we have fall spawning steel now too ..... i could care less who can id what .... or thinks they can at least but i am VERY VERY interested in the fall spawning and why steelhead would be doing it ! i have read a few things that west coast fish have done this too !!!! i really don't understand the hostility just because A LOT OF FISHERMAN,AREA GUIDES,AND PEOPLE WITH MANY YEARS OF EXPERANCE are saying something ain't adding up .... we want to find out why andd what .....our fishery is 40 years old it's still a experament! if your content with what you catch and what you want to call it and the explanations you have ...good for you! god bless ya .... but theres nothing wrong with the others wanting to learn more ,understand more , talk about it and research it ..... so what if one person really could 100% id every fish ( which every biologist admits is impossiable) but for the sake of argueement one guy can , what so wrong with me or bob and the rest of the gang saying , we can't but were going to try to learn as much as we can? it you had a brain tumor (god forbit) do you want the doctoor that says yup i know everything there is to know about them ...or a doctor that says yeah i know alot but i'm learning more and researching more everyday? just really bewildered why tring to learn more and researching and discussing would upset someone